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Spoon Thumb
Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.04 11:13:00 -
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As well as taking isk from someone who illegally buys isk for RL cash, maybe the character's in question should be put in jail for some period of time. Just like IRL, if you get caught by the police defrauding or laundering money they do more than just take the money back
Also it'd be a way to directly name and shame those who buy isk, and it makes perfect sense in terms of immersion. "Spoon Thumb got caught by DED for laundering isk. Now he has to do time in a prison on Itamo III." You make it so players in jail can't use markets or undock and use ships but still get all their chat channels and evemails. Maybe even have a "jail channel" for all those in the same jail.
Ah the irony when that channel gets filled with isk seller spam adds :P
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Havohej
Minmatar The Defias Brotherhood
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Posted - 2008.05.04 11:16:00 -
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Just imagine the jailbreaks when a thousand GoonFleet ships show up to break one of their directors out of lockup... I think CONCORD and the Empires would consider this more trouble than it's worth, but I'd be much amused to see isk buyers thusly humiliated. |

Janth Felan
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Posted - 2008.05.04 11:19:00 -
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im as against isk buyers as the next person but no..
pay so all you can do is spin your ships in the station wait... no ships.
And stop it with the damn irl analogies, i eat in RL go to the dentist, go to work jesus christ.
If you want a realisitic game go play the sims.
Seriously what is it at the moment with people going IRL this it how it works,... no on cares |

Stakhanov
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.05.04 11:22:00 -
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CCP had said times and times again they would not "name and shame" their own customers as EULA violations were a private matter between them.
A shame , really - this would make ISK spammers less effective , "I bought your ISK and now I'm stuck in jail , bastards"  |

Aadi Grox
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.05.04 11:23:00 -
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First, you get off on probation, then you get the firing squad. Why bother with jail?  |

Spoon Thumb
Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.04 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Janth Felan im as against isk buyers as the next person but no.. Seriously what is it at the moment with people going IRL this it how it works,... no on cares
Well that kinda is the whole point. It is unrealistic that you can just magic money from some parallel universe. Many people play the game without ever having a 2nd account or buying isk through GTC's because they want a realistic simulation completely separate from the real world to test things out etc.
But the funny thing is that in the real world, people will cheat and forge bank notes or launder money. So for people who take either side of the argument, it makes sense.
Also you're never gonna stop the isk buying, so might as well embrace it. There are three RMT methods and only two of them are legal (multiple accounts and GTC's). Might as well extend that into the game. And I think people already pay CCP to docked spin in a spaceship all day long and chat to ppl
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Spoon Thumb
Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.04 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Stakhanov CCP had said times and times again they would not "name and shame" their own customers as EULA violations were a private matter between them.
A shame , really - this would make ISK spammers less effective , "I bought your ISK and now I'm stuck in jail , bastards" 
There's nothing to identify a character with a RL person unless the player tells everyone who they are. And that is their choice
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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.05.04 11:30:00 -
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I think a negative wallet pretty much does it. - Can't use the market (unable to pay taxes) - Can't make contracts (unable to pay fees) - Can't manufacture anything (unable to pay job install)
Yeah, jail thing is already there pretty much. All we need is for a greater percentage of them to wail and gnash their teeth about it on general.
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Haraldhardrade
Amarr Pax Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.04 11:31:00 -
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This is a great idea. The jail can be put outside a n00b starter station so n00bs can see what happens. Their names could be displayed on a concord billboard. When in jail, you can train no skills, and make no market transactions. |

RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.04 11:42:00 -
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The EvE Sin Bin 
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corebloodbrothers
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Posted - 2008.05.04 11:47:00 -
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people who buy is illegaly are already banned from eve by ccp. the hard part is identifying ilegal sales from gifts, player loans and cheap sales.
example: illegal isk seller: buys a toon with 70 mill sp for 15 billion isk.
isk buyer transfers rl cash too seller.
illegal isk seller: sells toons in a frendly closed auction legaly through forum for 100 mill too isk buyer.
isk buyer sells toon for 16 billion.
hard to identify from two frends selling a toon cheap too one.
Its not the punishment that matters, deathpenalties never made crime go away either.
Its identifying without much effort and being 100% sure when u impose a penalty. |

Havohej
Minmatar The Defias Brotherhood
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Posted - 2008.05.04 11:47:00 -
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LoL Gnashing of teeth ftw |

Spoon Thumb
Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.04 12:53:00 -
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Even better, people caught buying isk get sent to Jita!
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Thuraya Salairs
Eve Liberation Force Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.04 12:58:00 -
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when ccp put your account to negative 2 billion and you cant accept trades, buy market goods, accept contracts, upgrade your medical clone or buy a new ship its pretty much jail. |

Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.05.04 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Spoon Thumb
Even better, people caught buying isk get sent to Jita!
Don't they have laws against cruel and unusual punishment where you come from?
Jita? That's just nasty! |

Demitria Fernir
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.05.04 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Thuraya Salairs when ccp put your account to negative 2 billion and you cant accept trades, buy market goods, accept contracts, upgrade your medical clone or buy a new ship its pretty much jail.
you can still bloody play the game.
just ban em |

000Hunter000
Gallente Missiles 'R' Us
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Posted - 2008.05.04 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Demitria Fernir you can still bloody play the game.
just ban em
this tbfh!!! |

shady trader
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Posted - 2008.05.04 13:33:00 -
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fuse their pod into a newbe ship, eject from all stations and POS and cannot dock, give them a -10 secuirity status and a 1 isk bounty (regenerating every time they are killed) and make them play for 100 hours before they can change ship.
know that is evil and that I personally think should happen. |

Buyerr
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Posted - 2008.05.04 15:02:00 -
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... ehh.. ban them.. permanently or at least 1month first time 3 month second 6 month third and permanent forth time..
hmm actually 1-2 times should be more then enough. (and NO training time while banned)
the jail thing should be for getting shot by concord |

Faife
Noctiscion Twilight Trade Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.04 16:08:00 -
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Jesus, all you guys have an isk buyer kick your dog or something?
Just pod them and take their stuff. |
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Spitfire451
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Posted - 2008.05.04 17:39:00 -
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Negative wallet is jail enough. They cannot use their character to sell stuff on market or open trade windows. They cannot pvp because they cannot update their clone. They cannot actually use the character to make money to replace ships and modules lost in combat. They cannot sell their character either or transfer it to another account. They cannot do anything in EVE that would require a fee. I think this is harsh enough already and it has led some people to quit. |

Vitrael
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.04 17:49:00 -
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Negative wallet is already worse than jail. You can't sell anything because of the transaction tax. You can't contract anything because of the contract fee. You can't do anything but hope someone will spot you the money to start again. |

Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.05.04 18:10:00 -
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Well, except that people with multiple accounts are hardly affected. |

Ralara
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.05.04 18:12:00 -
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omg like this one time, i was at a neighbours house, and i did a poo, but it was really big and it wouldnt flush so i had to get a plastic bag and lift it out the toilet and put it in the bin. |

Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.05.04 18:12:00 -
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Confiscating purchased ISK already pretty much breaks the character anyway, since they are faced with a choice of either starting a new character or spending $100 in GTCs in order to get their wallet back in the positive. Jail is unnecessary. |

Loyal Servant
Caldari Wandering Stars Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.05.04 19:16:00 -
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Bans are necessary. All isk buyers and sellers should simply be banned.
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.05.04 19:39:00 -
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Just do an instant relocation to 35 Jumps into hostile 0.0 before banning the account, whether temporarily or permanently. And, making sure that the most expensive implanted JC is in the pod too. |

Iriana McNuke
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Posted - 2008.05.04 20:44:00 -
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Ban.
1-st offense: account ban; 2-nd offense: IP ban.
... and yes, I know about proxies, but I can't think at other method to deal with multi-account cheaters. |

Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.05.04 20:53:00 -
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Hmmm. This idea might be kinda cool when ambulation hits if the jails are on public display and we can go up to the cells and make fun of the inmates.  |

flashfreaking
LFC Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.04 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Iriana McNuke Ban.
1-st offense: account ban; 2-nd offense: IP ban.
... and yes, I know about proxies, but I can't think at other method to deal with multi-account cheaters.
Let's say: I'm at Uni => I use Uni network => I'm behind a common router with about 300 other students, of which several others play Eve. If one of those is an ISK buyer, and he gets IP banned, guess what happens to me? That's right, I'll be banned as well, so no, thx. Ban their CC number (if they use a CC), ban their accountnumber of their bank (if they use that), but I seriously can't think of a way to ban them completely (GTC sale) without heavy collateral damage. |
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