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Murtala
Mushin Market
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Posted - 2008.05.04 13:36:00 -
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Ok I know these moons are worth a fortune and some alliance wars and politics are because of these rare moons. I also know that Dysprosium is very expensive.
But why? What is Dysprosium used for? Who buys it etc.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.05.04 13:41:00 -
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Dysprosium is used in (almost?) each and every finished T2 item.
The quantity required (with respect to other materials) is much higher than its rarity (number of moons with dysprosium vs moons with other materials).
Supply and demand then dictates price, and price dictated is "up, up, up".
As long as demand for T2 items keeps being high (you can thank invention for that), the supply can't possibly keep up with demand (limited number of moons, ever-increasing number of players using T2 gear), so prices will keep going up.
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Murtala
Mushin Market
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Posted - 2008.05.04 13:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Akita T
Dysprosium is used in (almost?) each and every finished T2 item.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.05.04 13:45:00 -
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Well, for that matter, so is Morphite, and (almost) every other moon material.
It's not a matter of "being used" at all, it's a matter of how much.
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Szprinkoth Sponsz
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.04 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Dysprosium is used in (almost?) each and every finished T2 item.
The quantity required (with respect to other materials) is much higher than its rarity (number of moons with dysprosium vs moons with other materials).
Supply and demand then dictates price, and price dictated is "up, up, up".
As long as demand for T2 items keeps being high (you can thank invention for that), the supply can't possibly keep up with demand (limited number of moons, ever-increasing number of players using T2 gear), so prices will keep going up.
This is a good thing because it makes 0.0 space mean something. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.05.04 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz
This is a good thing because it makes 0.0 space mean something.
It's also a bad thing because the potential for production of Dysprosium is limited by the number of moons that have it (and lowered every time a change of ownership occurs), which can only drive up prices.
If this goes on unchecked, we could potentially reach a point where Dysprosium would be the only moon material worth something (a lot, actually), while all the other moon materials would be worth almost the same, that is, next to nothing... and Dysprosium value would keep increasing (along T2 item prices) to the point where supply (constant) would meet demand (lowering as prices go up).
Having everything except Dysprosium be worth nothing is not a very good thing.
Of course, thet won't be happening any time soon, but eventually, as population increases, that's where we'll be heading if the ratio of usage is not balanced with ratio of potential supply.
If we would have a balance like that, Dysprosium would still be one of the most valuable materials... just not that much more valuable.
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Shoukei
Caldari
Boobs Ahoy
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Posted - 2008.05.04 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz
If this goes on unchecked, we could potentially reach a point where Dysprosium would be the only moon material worth something (a lot, actually), while all the other moon materials would be worth almost the same, that is, next to nothing... and Dysprosium value would keep increasing (along T2 item prices) to the point where supply (constant) would meet demand (lowering as prices go up).
Having everything except Dysprosium be worth nothing is not a very good thing.
Not too long ago, all moon materials WERE worth NOTHING. Invention caused Dysprosium to jump in price because this is the only resource thats even remotely scarce. We need more moon materials like Dysprosium to make this game interesting and to make space worth fighting for. Without these focal points that cause wide scale gold rush and thus warfare, this game is meaningless and boring. |
Havohej
Minmatar
The Defias Brotherhood
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Posted - 2008.05.04 14:17:00 -
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There are no moons. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.05.04 14:18:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 04/05/2008 14:20:54
Originally by: Shoukei
Not too long ago, all moon materials WERE worth NOTHING. Invention caused Dysprosium to jump in price because this is the only resource thats even remotely scarce. We need more moon materials like Dysprosium to make this game interesting and to make space worth fighting for. Without these focal points that cause wide scale gold rush and thus warfare, this game is meaningless and boring.
With invention, ALL moon minerals have the potential to be worth something, since they get used up in huge quantities (demand is up orders of magnitude).
The fact that dysprosium is used in disproportionate amounts compared to rarity makes it insanely expensive, while the rest suffer.
How would it be if ALL T1 ships would use minerals in 7:6:5:4:3:2:1 ratios (trit:pye:mex:iso:nox:zyd:mega) instead of the current (some rough average across all races' ships and modules combined) 4096:1024:256:64:16:4:1 ratios ?
Imagine how totally worthless tritanium would be, and how much megacyte would cost.
Really, it's exactly the same issue right here.
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Mavolio
White Nova Industries
Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.05.04 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
It's also a bad thing because the potential for production of Dysprosium is limited by the number of moons that have it (and lowered every time a change of ownership occurs), which can only drive up prices.
When you take over a moon the material that you can mine from it stays the same. |
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Murtala
Mushin Market
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Posted - 2008.05.04 14:25:00 -
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I am no industrialist but as a pvp player, T2 stuff is already very cheap imo. And seeing 0.0 alliances fight over these moons is fun. Really really good fun.  |
Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar
Pragmatics
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Posted - 2008.05.04 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mavolio
When you take over a moon the material that you can mine from it stays the same.
True, but when the system that contains that moon keeps changing hands continuous production becomes a little tricky. |
Nahia Senne
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.04 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: Nahia Senne on 04/05/2008 14:37:40
Originally by: Emily Spankratchet
Originally by: Mavolio
When you take over a moon the material that you can mine from it stays the same.
True, but when the system that contains that moon keeps changing hands continuous production becomes a little tricky.
edit: You lose 2 days of production. |
Aurix Lexico
Repo Industries
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.05.04 14:38:00 -
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I'm fine with moons the way they are, tech II is already extremely cheap, the market can stand it rising in price some. |
Amastat
Caldari
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.05.04 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Emily Spankratchet
Originally by: Mavolio
When you take over a moon the material that you can mine from it stays the same.
True, but when the system that contains that moon keeps changing hands continuous production becomes a little tricky.
Yea - this is true, however it isn't super often you have changes at such a fast frequency UNLESS it's a very high-profile area that both sides want badly. If the Dys moons are spread out properly, hopefully just a fraction of the total mined dys moons in the galaxy will be changing at the kinda rates that would cause that.
This would usually only ever happen along boarders as well, which is only a small portion of all of 0.0. |
Fredior Khan'Sebies
Minmatar
Mikramurka Solace
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Posted - 2008.05.04 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Amastat
Yea - this is true, however it isn't super often you have changes at such a fast frequency UNLESS it's a very high-profile area that both sides want badly. If the Dys moons are spread out properly, hopefully just a fraction of the total mined dys moons in the galaxy will be changing at the kinda rates that would cause that.
This would usually only ever happen along boarders as well, which is only a small portion of all of 0.0.
Unless it was known which moons had Dys and one or a couple very powerful alliances decided to specifically target the systems with those moons.
Could happen. |
Market Bandit
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Posted - 2008.05.04 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Amastat
Yea - this is true, however it isn't super often you have changes at such a fast frequency UNLESS it's a very high-profile area that both sides want badly.
Areas containing dys tend to be high-profile and wanted by both sides because they have dys moons, rather than being a profitable side effect of taking a high profile area.
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VengerZap
Polaris Project
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.04 16:03:00 -
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It's specifically used to make Dysporite and Ferrofluid.
Which in turn are used to make Fermionic Condensates, Ferrogel and Hypersynaptic Fibers.
While small amounts of these materials are needed for some tech2 module production they're mainly used in tech2 ship construction.
Fermionic Condensates and Ferrogel are the main components in a tech2 ships' reactor, shield and thruster systems. These are the most expensive materials used in tech2 ship product and make up the bulk of the build cost. |
Faife
Noctiscion
Twilight Trade Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.04 16:03:00 -
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The issue is one of risk vs reward. Dyprosium mines are currently just isk printing fountains. |
000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
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Posted - 2008.05.04 16:25:00 -
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Funny how ccp made it so the iskprinting went from T2 bpo owners to the biggest alliances. |
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Indmine
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Posted - 2008.05.04 17:20:00 -
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I wonder why goonswarm is attacking tri POSs? |
Fluffy Slippers
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Posted - 2008.05.04 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Indmine
I wonder why goonswarm is attacking tri POSs?
Cuz they cant take BoBs? |
Lysander Drakos
Evolution
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Posted - 2008.05.04 17:50:00 -
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Ralara
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.05.04 18:13:00 -
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omg like this one time, i was at a neighbours house, and i did a poo, but it was really big and it wouldnt flush so i had to get a plastic bag and lift it out the toilet and put it in the bin. |
Zantrei Kordisin
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.04 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: 000Hunter000
Funny how ccp made it so the iskprinting went from T2 bpo owners to the biggest alliances.
Yes, it's exactly the same thing because you couldn't possibly take over a moon from someone else. That's unheard of!
Way too many stupid people on the forums these days. |
Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
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Posted - 2008.05.04 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara
omg like this one time, i was at a neighbours house, and i did a poo, but it was really big and it wouldnt flush so i had to get a plastic bag and lift it out the toilet and put it in the bin.
Too bad you didn't eat them. Who knows you might liked them or we might be saved.
But next time spare us from your adventures with your body functions. We don't care or want to know |
Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar
Pragmatics
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Posted - 2008.05.04 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: 000Hunter000
Funny how ccp made it so the iskprinting went from T2 bpo owners to the biggest alliances.
The cleverest bit was seeding the good moons in the places where the biggest alliances would be several years later. They must be psychic. Or something. |
sakana
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.04 18:24:00 -
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Akita, you do remember when vagabonds cost 250mil don't you?
And the idea that invention increased demand? Uh....invention increased supply by a ****load.
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Enkidu Uruksen
Wakizashi Renaissance
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Posted - 2008.05.04 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz
Originally by: Akita T
Dysprosium is used in (almost?) each and every finished T2 item.
The quantity required (with respect to other materials) is much higher than its rarity (number of moons with dysprosium vs moons with other materials).
Supply and demand then dictates price, and price dictated is "up, up, up".
As long as demand for T2 items keeps being high (you can thank invention for that), the supply can't possibly keep up with demand (limited number of moons, ever-increasing number of players using T2 gear), so prices will keep going up.
This is a good thing because it makes 0.0 space mean something.
Why 0.0 specifically? There are dysprosium moons in low sec, also. Some guy on "Sell Orders" is flogging a list of a dozen such moons... all with towers on them, ofc. |
Murtala
Mushin Market
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Posted - 2008.05.04 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Faife
The issue is one of risk vs reward. Dyprosium mines are currently just isk printing fountains.
Gives alliances something to fight over. like "Capture the Flag" in FPS. unlike T2 bpo these mons seem like somthing people can fight over and can change hands. |
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