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Paul Lebaue	Posted - 2004.05.24 12:57:00 - [61] Originally by: Luther Pendragon Edited by: Luther Pendragon on 23/05/2004 15:09:41 I cant help but think 'freelancing corp' is an oxymoron. How can you be a freelancer and in a corp as well? Going by your recruitment description, TTi is a freelancing corp. Allthough I can appreciate your interest in my group Luther I cant help but think "Taggart Transdimensional" is an oxymoron. How can you be a corp and Freelancers as well? Going by your own statement, Freelancing is TTi. Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They don't claim territory, declare wars or join in alliances. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: Thats the only bit thats different, everything else looks very much like TTi. Im not quite sure how relevent that is though. Otherwise TTi are individuals who help each other out. How else would one define a corp? Freelancers, per my definition at least, operate alone, not helping each other. And thats the real issue here isnt it? You try and define us by your own definition. Allthough your definition holds some truth in it it is just a fragment of the total essence which is Freelancing Corp. Freelancers are free to pursue their whims unless of course its Thievery, Pirating or Scamming which my group will not stand for.. If u feel thats true with your own group then I can do nothing less then congratulate you for being able to provide such freedoom to your fellow members. But for you to pass judgement on my group you will need to walk on our shoes and carry the weight we bear before we will pay any heed to your words. Our group ben created beacuse we have likeminded individuals who wanted to be able to cooperate whenever they wanted to and help each other out whever they wanted to. As far as I know this is all done on individual basis. Your definition of Freelancers is dictonary there is more to that name then just the word. One would think a person such as youself should be aware of. Thank you for sharing with us your questions and concerns though. I hope mine and the others replies have been enough to ease any concerns and answears you might have been seeking regarding my group. Sincerely
Luther Pendragon	Posted - 2004.05.24 13:21:00 - [62] Edited by: Luther Pendragon on 24/05/2004 13:36:20 Quote: Allthough I can appreciate your interest in my group Luther I cant help but think "Taggart Transdimensional" is an oxymoron. How can you be a corp and Freelancers as well? Going by your own statement, Freelancing is TTi. Read it very carefully. I said I used your definition, not mine. I would not define TTi as 'freelancers', because we have formed a corp and help each other in it. By my definition, TTi is not a freelancing corp, and neither is yours as theres no such thing. Its neither an oxymoron either because an oxymoron is a two word concept with the two words in the concept being opposites of each other. That cant apply in the case of TTi. Quote: But for you to pass judgement on my group you will need to walk on our shoes and carry the weight we bear before we will pay any heed to your words Hey buddy, wake up. I realize that its typical for everyone to get all snotty and ***ed off with just about any comment anyone says back to them, but I didnt pass any judgement, so I dont be needing to walk in anyones shoes and theres no attitude which you have to try to return to me. Im talking about a simple case of definition. I really didnt mean to have to be so pedantic, but freelancers, as a generally accepted english word, is to work alone, and hire themselves out to several corporations. Working under one single corp, just isnt freelancing. But ofcourse, I could be wrong, and everyones free to re define anything for their pleasure. Your idea of 'corp' seems to be the commie kind where everybody tells you what to do. Just because a corp isnt a commie corp does not mean that its a freelancing corp. Edit: Ohh, err, one more thing. I have walked in your shoes. I've done most things and spent most of the time in this game alone. Even while a member in TTi. Not sure if thats 'freelancing' though. ____________________________________ Taggart wants YOU. Join TTi! waves his hand in your face in the jedi way*
Paul Lebaue	Posted - 2004.05.24 13:35:00 - [63] Edited by: Paul Lebaue on 24/05/2004 13:43:52 Originally by: Luther Pendragon Quote: Allthough I can appreciate your interest in my group Luther I cant help but think "Taggart Transdimensional" is an oxymoron. How can you be a corp and Freelancers as well? Going by your own statement, Freelancing is TTi. Read it very carefully. I said I used your definition, not mine. I would not define TTi as 'freelancers', because we have formed a corp and help each other in it. By my definition, TTi is not a freelancing corp, and neither is yours as theres no such thing. No Luther I think you need to read more carefully. Since I stand by my claim as a Freelancer and part of a group of Freelancers makes my sentence just as valid as yours. And by your statement alone you pretty much telling several groups whom operates in the same way as us and defines themselves as Freelancers they are living a lie? You are walking a very thin line here now. my friend..... Quote: Hey buddy, wake up. I realize that its typical for everyone to get all snotty and **ed off with just about any comment anyone says back to them, but I didnt pass any judgement, so I dont be needing to walk in anyones shoes. Im talking about a simple case of definition. I really didnt mean to have to be so pedantic, but freelancers, as a generally accepted english word, is to work alone, and hire themselves out to several corporations. Working under one single corp, just isnt freelancing. But ofcourse, I could be wrong, and everyones free to re define anything for their pleasure. Are you even adressing me with that? The only one that has appeared anywere close to acting snotty or **ed off is you my friend. Sorry but as I said you use the dictonary definition of a Freelancer and yes you did mean to be so pendant otherwise you would not have brought it all up in the first place. You got the dictionary definitions correct but the other claims you have is pretty much just your own claim and does not even hold any accurate truth. As you said Freelancers operate on their own what makes you think our individual members does not provide their services to other corporations? Can you know see were you are at fault?
Luther Pendragon	Posted - 2004.05.24 13:38:00 - [64] Edited by: Luther Pendragon on 24/05/2004 13:44:37 Generally the dictionary definitions is the one that is used as the 'correct' definition. Its fine if you make up your own definitions, but its not so cool if youre trying to talk to people and their using a different dictionary so nobody understands them. Your individual members can ofcourse provide services to other corporations, but thats like saying because I sell something on the market, and someone else buys it from another corporation, then I am a freelancer too, which means, generally, everyone in Eve is a freelancer. No, I didnt really mean to get pedantic, I thought it was just self evident. Quote: And by your statement alone you pretty much telling several groups whom operates in the same way as us and defines themselves as Freelancers they are living a lie? You are walking a very thin line here now. my friend..... Well, one of us is living a lie ____________________________________ Taggart wants YOU. Join TTi! waves his hand in your face in the jedi way
Paul Lebaue	Posted - 2004.05.24 14:00:00 - [65] Originally by: Luther Pendragon Generally the dictionary definitions is the one that is used as the 'correct' definition. Its fine if you make up your own definitions, but its not so cool if youre trying to talk to people and their using a different dictionary so nobody understands them. Your individual members can ofcourse provide services to other corporations, but thats like saying because I sell something on the market, and someone else buys it from another corporation, then I am a freelancer too, which means, generally, everyone in Eve is a freelancer. No, I didnt really mean to get pedantic, I thought it was just self evident. There you go again implying you understand what each of the members in my group does. When clearly you dont even have a fraction of the information needed to base your claim on. Which I almost hoped you did have more then a fraction cause then you stop this by now. I am trying to act patient here allthough you have done nothing more then act judgemental on us cause by your own words you tell us we living a lie and that we should cease with it? Big question is Luther why such a big interest in my group? I would hardly think its the definition of the word Freelancer itself is what brought you here.. We have existed for a rather long time now me and my group. We have been very open about our claims as "Freelancers". For you to come in here now and try and descredit us and our claims as Freelancers looks a bit off.. First I thought this might just be you having a bad day and randomly something set you off. And maybe this thread was that random thing that triggered it all. I hope that such is not the case though and that you try to keep your mind open to other options then what you made up in your own mind. Cause until you do that, nothing I say will ever convince you different. All you will seek in my words is a way to further proceeed with your own agenda. bottom thing is you presented your definitions and views about the word Freelancer and create awareness of it. Thats all good we all appreciate that I am sure and you accomplished that goal. However if you persist posting in here. You will show all of us that this is more then just the definition of a word.. Lets just see what happens...
Paul Lebaue	Posted - 2004.05.24 14:08:00 - [66] Originally by: Luther Pendragon No, I didnt really mean to get pedantic, I thought it was just self evident. Quote: If it was so evident there would have been no need to define it. Quote: Well, one of us is living a lie According to your own clearly inaccurate perception of my group..
Luther Pendragon	Posted - 2004.05.24 14:15:00 - [67] Quote: descredit us and our claims as Freelancers looks a bit off.. Now now, I am not trying to descredit you or your corp. Why would I do that? I'm sure you are all fine persons playing the way you guys like to play, theres nothing wrong with that. If there were only more corps which loved individual rights and freedoms. If I dont have enough information, I guess thats what Im asking for, more information. How's your corp differn't from mine for example, besides the claiming territory bit, or is that it? ____________________________________ Taggart wants YOU. Join TTi! waves his hand in your face in the jedi way
Paul Lebaue	Posted - 2004.05.24 14:30:00 - [68] Originally by: Luther Pendragon Quote: descredit us and our claims as Freelancers looks a bit off.. Now now, I am not trying to descredit you or your corp. Why would I do that? I'm sure you are all fine persons playing the way you guys like to play, theres nothing wrong with that. If there were only more corps which loved individual rights and freedoms. If I dont have enough information, I guess thats what Im asking for, more information. How's your corp differn't from mine for example, besides the claiming territory bit, or is that it? To be honest for me to be able to define any differences between our groups it would require for me to do a research on your group. And that I really dont have time with. Since you seem to already know what the likeness are why dont we go from their? Tell me what the likenessa re and what additional structure defines your corp and I should be able to give you a better reply regarding the differences in our groups.
Luther Pendragon	Posted - 2004.05.24 14:54:00 - [69] We have structure, key people doing corp things, such as putting up recruitment threads :). Then there are groups of people who hang out at the same time and enjoy doing similar things, such as mining together or PvP or what have you. Theres never ever anyone saying, hey we have to do this now and everyone has to do it. Everyone does the same thing only if they agree to do so at that point in time. We do have shares though, managed out of game through our own system. Members purchase shares, freely, sell among themselves if they want to, and vote on matters that they think is important, according to shares. Been doing rather well actually, nice way to have everyones voices heard, those that want to be heard anyways. Profits from corp assets such as loans and production paid flow out as dividends to shareholders. ____________________________________ Taggart wants YOU. Join TTi! waves his hand in your face in the jedi way
Lansfear	Posted - 2004.05.24 15:14:00 - [70] Ok Paul and Luthur, put the dictionaries down ad kiss and make up..... Does it realy matter if both of our groups are Freelancers? Paul isot "recruiting", he's simply letting others know there is a place you can play alone, as a freelancer, outside of the n00b corps, and be left the hell alone.
Paul Lebaue	Posted - 2004.05.24 15:19:00 - [71] Quote: Then there are groups of people who hang out at the same time and enjoy doing similar things, such as mining together or PvP or what have you. Theres never ever anyone saying, hey we have to do this now and everyone has to do it. Everyone does the same thing only if they agree to do so at that point in time. This I think we share with your group. We have the same setup as you when it comes to this. Quote: We do have shares though, managed out of game through our own system. Members purchase shares, freely, sell among themselves if they want to, and vote on matters that they think is important, according to shares. Been doing rather well actually, nice way to have everyones voices heard, those that want to be heard anyways. Profits from corp assets such as loans and production paid flow out as dividends to shareholders. I think this is one of the big differences between us. Our group does not use shares. No shares is available. There has not been that many things to vote for in our group since everyone is already doing what they like to do not so theres not much left to vote about. During those few times we have had a vote however. A general vote was made and everyone had a voice no shares required only requirement to this is to be a full accepted member of our group. Hope this helps you a little. If you have any additional questions or concerns please feel free to ask them.
StarRanger	Posted - 2004.05.25 09:04:00 - [72] Edited by: StarRanger on 25/05/2004 09:07:01 Please find another way to discuss the difference between TTi and Freelancing Corp, this is a recruitment thread. We have a lovely own forum to bash around, even a flaming section. Hope to see you there Thanks for bumping this thread up everytime tho - Freelancing Corp Forum: Linkage
Lansfear	Posted - 2004.05.26 05:00:00 - [73] Completely shameless bump.
Coupe Soleil	Posted - 2004.05.27 09:35:00 - [74] Sheesh, some people can get all hot and hyped about a name. Paul's introducing post makes perfectly clear what we stand for I think. So if you're interested join freelancing channel ingame for a chat. Even if you only want to have a heated discussion about out corp-name, corp-values, or even our corp-ticker-name (which is PAUL.... ) you're very welcome in our ingame channel as well.
Paul Lebaue	Posted - 2004.05.27 17:57:00 - [75] I am sure the main factor for the little heated discussion I had with Luther was misscommunication. I am sure its all sorted out now. In any case our group are still in a lookout for other Freelancers or any other groups whom operates in a similar way as we do and whom just want to hang out with likeminded people. For those who likes to know us better and/or just want to hang out with us feel free to join our chat channel "Freelancing". Hope to see some new faces in there both experienced and new.
kufs	Posted - 2004.05.28 13:31:00 - [76] Hello, I am new to eve and looking for a Corp that allows its members to choose there own paths. After reading this post it would seem that your corp is willing to to do just that. I am self sufficient and strive for things on my own, I dont ask help in the form of items and Isk all i really need a place that i can ask my questions and have a friendly atmosphere. If you feel there is room for someone such as myself in this corp then please shoot me a mail. Look forward to speaking with you ingame soon. Regards Kufs Kufs Abbel Hurrey
The Mizz	Posted - 2004.05.28 15:43:00 - [77] appear to be good guys just a shame that tempest had to open fire upon GKS forces.
Lansfear	Posted - 2004.05.28 17:28:00 - [78] Edited by: Lansfear on 03/06/2004 15:44:48
The Mizz	Posted - 2004.05.28 23:47:00 - [79] obviosuly you don't know the facts of the engagement talk to him and talk to your ceo they both know the tempest opened fire first. Once again know your facts before making statements.
Paul Lebaue	Posted - 2004.05.29 15:17:00 - [80] Kufs Its been a pleasure having you join us in our chatroom and hope we continue and see you in there. I hope we managed to provide you the help you wanted and needed. And I am looking forward to your progress as a new pilot in Eve.
Paul Lebaue	Posted - 2004.05.29 15:21:00 - [81] Mizz I adress this already on your own thread. I hope that statement will help clear things up. And I hope you see it my way. Lets continue and keep this thread as what it is a recruitment thread and nothing else. And I hope we both can continue and respect that and keep any none related issues out of this and your recruitment thread. Thanks.
Van Halen	Posted - 2004.05.29 20:12:00 - [82] these guys are an awesome bunch, been with them maybe a day or 2 and i can alrdy tell. I ould never seem to get a thorax in my other corps, but as soon as i got int his one they helped me get the minerals to get one, my other corps didnt help too much, cept fiendz, they were actually very helpful, the only problem being that they live opposite of the world from me and we're on at opposite times. 2004.09.10 01:59:13 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Neutron Blaster I perfectly strikes Ater Draconis [MYT], wrecking for 361.2 damage.
Paul Lebaue	Posted - 2004.05.31 13:00:00 - [83] Van Halen Were glad to have you with us. Keep up the good work. This recruitment is still ongoing and will most likely be ongoing for awhile longer. Dont be scared about hanging out with us in "Freelancing" chatroom we are mostly all friends in there and dont mind more company may it be poeple interested in joining our group or just want to hang out and chat.
Auntie	Posted - 2004.06.01 04:26:00 - [84] Geez, a friend and I had such a bad experience with a corp. we actually started new characters and formed our own. I wish we had read this thread first. "You gain experience by experiencing things you don't care to experience."
Old Winter	Posted - 2004.06.01 10:47:00 - [85] Well you are always welcome to apply to us as I see your corp has only just formed you would not be losing too much in the way of time invested in your corp. Pop by the Freelancing chat channel and get a better idea of what we are all about. ---------------- There are no bugs just locked threads
Van Halen	Posted - 2004.06.02 00:01:00 - [86] ahh Old Winter, one of e richest ppl i kno, makes aliving selling mex , tho he says he can never seem to find a good refinery, isnt that right OW? 2004.09.10 01:59:13 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Neutron Blaster I perfectly strikes Ater Draconis [MYT], wrecking for 361.2 damage.
Paul Lebaue	Posted - 2004.06.02 13:43:00 - [87] Auntie As Old Winter says you guys are welcome to join and hang out with us in "Freelancing" chatroom. Gives you a chanse to learn to know us and our friends. And if you decide to join our group or not you are always welcome to that channel. Its a good place to hang around in if you like to be surrounded by likeminded people. Hope to see you there, Sincerely
Paul Lebaue	Posted - 2004.06.02 14:09:00 - [88] To everyone, I would just like to make it offically known that our group does condemn slavery. This issue have been brought up on a few occasions and this is our offical stance. Since we as a group knows the value of freedoom we will not stand and watch members of our own group deny this to others. Our group also consist of every race in Eve. And thus there is no room for racists in our group. Just wanted to make sure this is out in the open since I gotten a few questions or concerns regarding this. Also on a personal note I will not be available for contact ingame for the next 3 weeks so please any questions or concerns please redirect it to other members of my group. Join "Freelancing" chat to find out who the members are. thanks
Batar Fireheart	Posted - 2004.06.03 04:13:00 - [89] Hey MIZZ, YOUr men locked on me first, when in .0 Space I consider that an act of agression (especially when in a tempest versus 2 caldari battleships)to me they could have been setting up for Jamming I was only retalliating to an aggressive act. and your corp was not on good standing with my corp at the time.. Secondly we all know that you are pirates from the info I had gathered about the Gatekeepers.. And When I offered a surrender in local chat I got Nothing and they continued to fire on me... Your corp should be real careful I am against this nap but will go with it out of respect to Paul.. I HAVE MY EYES ON YOU!!! BATAR FIREHEART *May your wallets be full of isk and your cannons blessed*
StarRanger	Posted - 2004.06.03 12:13:00 - [90] Originally by: Old Winter Pop by the Freelancing chat channel and get a better idea of what we are all about. Yup, it can be quite fun in there also, hehe, hope to see some of you there soon to chat with

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