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EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans	Posted - 2008.05.14 05:34:00 - [121] Originally by: YouGotRipped There were only 2 possibilities: manipulation or stupidity. Would you like me to detail the last one or should I leave it to Ricdic? It's so cute watching you still try to fit in with this community and digging your grave deeper every time you try. I would invest in this goons ipo unsecured over any 120% secured business option you brought out. Sadly (for you) I believe a lot of other people would do the same.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:07:00 - [122] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 14/05/2008 10:16:02 Originally by: EBANK Ricdic Originally by: YouGotRipped There were only 2 possibilities: manipulation or stupidity. Would you like me to detail the last one or should I leave it to Ricdic? It's so cute watching you still try to fit in with this community and digging your grave deeper every time you try. I would invest in this goons ipo unsecured over any 120% secured business option you brought out. Sadly (for you) I believe a lot of other people would do the same. What Ricdic is trying to say is that his gut is never wrong. The same sound reasoning allowed him, when I launched an IPO, to state that (maybe not then but) in the end I will scam everyone. I never scammed anyone, I even had two bonds and one IPO (Yarden Tajj, Kazuo Ishiguro, Tarash Awin) that I've carried out for a limited amount of time before returning the money to the investors. And I had good reasons for doing so - RL schedule was becoming an issue, or I had health issues that threatened my life and needed surgery, or simply profitability was shooting through the roof so there was no reason to keep the bond going). At this point I no longer consider running IPOs or the such again, I have made enough money (10.2B isk) to invest myself (gathered in less than a month of active trading and manufacturing). I'm on vacation now and I've also lost my interest to deal with those such as Ricdic.
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans	Posted - 2008.05.14 11:17:00 - [123] Nice one. Just accept it, you lost. Game over ripper. Or should I say, RIP
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.05.14 11:22:00 - [124] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 14/05/2008 11:23:38 Originally by: EBANK Ricdic Nice one. Just accept it, you lost. Game over ripper. Or should I say, RIP I am still waiting for your apologies tbh. I am aware that it will take some time though. Other from what we have nothing to talk about.
Haakkon Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.14 12:52:00 - [125] Originally by: EBANK Ricdic Nice one. Just accept it, you lost. Game over ripper. Or should I say, RIP Er, to me or to YGR? Could someone also fill me in on the YGR / MD animosity? I think I came to the scene significantly after whatever it was occurred.
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans	Posted - 2008.05.14 12:56:00 - [126] hehe I was talking to YouGotRipped
Haakkon Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.14 13:09:00 - [127] Edited by: Haakkon on 14/05/2008 13:13:43 Originally by: EBANK Ricdic hehe I was talking to YouGotRipped Ah I see! So what's up with the feud between you too? He keeps posting as if you like goons more than him, though I have a feeling Ebank would stay far, far away from any Goon ventures.
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans	Posted - 2008.05.14 13:51:00 - [128] Actually you should speak to some of your alliance members. We definetly have dealt with members of the goons in the past, just as we have likely dealt with 25% of the big alliances out there (by that i mean various deals with corps inside them, not the alliances themselves). Like I said before whilst reputation is definetly a factor it isn't the only thing we use to determine that validity of a loan.
Athre Minmatar The HIgher Standard	Posted - 2008.05.14 19:03:00 - [129] Originally by: Haakkon Edited by: Haakkon on 14/05/2008 13:13:43 Originally by: EBANK Ricdic hehe I was talking to YouGotRipped Ah I see! So what's up with the feud between you too? He keeps posting as if you like goons more than him, though I have a feeling Ebank would stay far, far away from any Goon ventures. While I can not say for sure what has happened before my return, do a search on LRN as well as YGR, for that matter any character in the corp Ewigkeit and you may get an idea of why the anamosity exists. Back to the topic - 1)Would I invest in a Goon IPO? NO! 2)Would I invest in a Haakkon IPO? Maybe - thus far the posts presented in MD have been honorable, not only to respecting and not wavering his allegiance but also respecting others may have a problem with the connection to the Goon Alliance. 3)Why do I distrust goons - the culture of self serving bastages that use and abuse those who are not of the culture. I dont tell you how to play, why do you tell me I can not mine in a hulk out of minmatar space with out you breathing down my neck? 4)Would I invest in any joe smoe that drops an IPO into MD? NO! When I returned I took a week examining the stocks on the two exchange groups and ended up with about 3 stocks/bonds/ipo's I was interested. I can not speak for all but researching before investing is something I strongly suggest to anyone. As has been said before, the ultimate item necessary is trust. I see you are willing to put the time in Haakkon, I wish you luck with that.
Ortos Abyssus Incendia THORN Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.14 21:43:00 - [130] Originally by: Haakkon Edited by: Haakkon on 14/05/2008 13:13:43 Originally by: EBANK Ricdic hehe I was talking to YouGotRipped Ah I see! So what's up with the feud between you too? He keeps posting as if you like goons more than him, though I have a feeling Ebank would stay far, far away from any Goon ventures. Lets just say as long as you post valid buisness plans on this forum and pull them off your social status is doomed to stay a few hundred thousand times stronger then YGR. =)
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.05.14 22:29:00 - [131] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 14/05/2008 22:35:12 Originally by: Ortos Originally by: Haakkon Edited by: Haakkon on 14/05/2008 13:13:43 Originally by: EBANK Ricdic hehe I was talking to YouGotRipped Ah I see! So what's up with the feud between you too? He keeps posting as if you like goons more than him, though I have a feeling Ebank would stay far, far away from any Goon ventures. Lets just say as long as you post valid buisness plans on this forum and pull them off your social status is doomed to stay a few hundred thousand times stronger then YGR. =) I've always been compassionate towards other people when it came to pointing flaws in their reasoning. I mean how can someone be so indifferent to their suffering? I have actually helped more poor souls than any other member of this community. Take Ricdic for example or Shadarle, they don't miss one chance to thank me from the bottom of their hearts. This is what it means to be a responsible member of this community.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company	Posted - 2008.05.15 02:30:00 - [132] Originally by: YouGotRipped I've always been compassionate towards other people when it came to pointing flaws in their reasoning. I mean how can someone be so indifferent to their suffering? I have actually helped more poor souls than any other member of this community. Take Ricdic for example or Shadarle, they don't miss one chance to thank me from the bottom of their hearts. This is what it really means to be a responsible member of this community. The amusement I feel when watching your bipolar posting habits is only exceeded by my amusement at your insignificance. At least you fill your niche in the community well <3
Macdeth Ephemeral Misgivings	Posted - 2008.05.15 03:37:00 - [133] My thoughts would be that if you want to fundraise off of goonfleet.com, go ahead and make the thread(s) and tend to them, tell the "Ahh! A goon! Scam!" people to **** off, and if you get no isk at all, whatever... Internal Goonfleet investment potential is big enough for most people if you network enough, and less effort than doing it here. Odds are you'll get at least a few bites from here, though, and those people can attest to your legitimacy later on.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.05.15 09:35:00 - [134] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 15/05/2008 09:40:34 Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Originally by: YouGotRipped I've always been compassionate towards other people when it came to pointing flaws in their reasoning. I mean how can someone be so indifferent to their suffering? I have actually helped more poor souls than any other member of this community. Take Ricdic for example or Shadarle, they don't miss one chance to thank me from the bottom of their hearts. This is what it really means to be a responsible member of this community. The amusement I feel when watching your bipolar posting habits is only exceeded by my amusement at your insignificance. At least you fill your niche in the community well <3 I can take a punch pretty fine but please abstain yourself from using "<3" and ":P". Considering your real gender (and not the avatar's), your posts that feature such emoticons make me noxious. Your problem lies with Xq28. Search google for that. That's all I can do to help you.
Kwint Sommer Lothian Quay Industries	Posted - 2008.05.15 10:03:00 - [135] Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 15/05/2008 10:03:24 Originally by: Haakkon Edited by: Haakkon on 14/05/2008 13:13:43 Originally by: EBANK Ricdic hehe I was talking to YouGotRipped Ah I see! So what's up with the feud between you too? He keeps posting as if you like goons more than him, though I have a feeling Ebank would stay far, far away from any Goon ventures. I wasn't planning to comment on this thread but I've got to say a few words about that. YouGotRipped is a bi-polar troller and scammer. He's been enough of a troll to get at least half a dozen posts removed by the mods, a ban and a locked thread. A moderator even called him a troll at one point. Sadly, he has yet to be perma-banned. For a while he was trying to raise public funds but he could never get investment, even when he offered security. Thanks partially to his attitude and partially to his prior indirect admittance that his offers were scams. He also has a habit of claiming he can make some random number of billions between 2 and 10 every month and I don't think I've ever seen him post the same number twice. After he gave up on getting investment he started using a color-shifted version of my signature (including my name) which is a big part of the reason I go after the idiot. For the last few weeks he's been trying to act like a regular old member of the forum except he keeps insulting Ricdic. He'll take shots at the guy for no reason. My guess is he's trying to associate himself with Ricdic in people's minds because he figures being the man's nemesis will get him more investors than just being a generic dumbass troll. Or maybe he just resents the fact that Ricdic is respected and he's not so he's trying to drag him through the mud like he was with me. Regardless, he should have been permanently banned from these forums a long time ago. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.05.15 10:16:00 - [136] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 15/05/2008 10:20:23 Edited by: YouGotRipped on 15/05/2008 10:19:59 Reserved working on a way to share an image of my wallet balance.
Mr Horizontal Gallente KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.15 10:24:00 - [137] Originally by: YouGotRipped Pssst, Kwint, here boy! Wallet balance I find it funny you think 10.3b is some kind of big number. Really isn't much to be proud of tbh, and honestly we don't really care how much you have. Director \| www.eve-bank.net
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.05.15 10:30:00 - [138] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 15/05/2008 10:36:46 Originally by: Mr Horizontal Originally by: YouGotRipped Pssst, Kwint, here boy! Wallet balance I find it funny you think 10.3b is some kind of big number. Really isn't much to be proud of tbh, and honestly we don't really care how much you have. Then why post your opinion at all? The fact that matters is that I've made those money in less than a month of active trading and manufacturing. And I've been quite lazy. Plus I've lost a lot of isk on typos. And this char is just a front as you might have already noticed.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.05.15 15:31:00 - [139] Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 15/05/2008 13:12:28 Psst, Kwint, here boy! Wallet balance As for the rest of your post - a combination of distorted reality and trolling - you should read this on and on till you achieve resynk. Most lvl 4 mission runners have that much in their wallet, whoopty do. Come back when your in triple digits
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.05.15 15:38:00 - [140] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 15/05/2008 15:45:36 Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Most lvl 4 mission runners have that much in their wallet, whoopty do. Come back when your in triple digits triple digits... What is the purpose of that? Ask Shadarle what was the time cost for the rights to brag about the size of his wallet, and most importantly what does he do with his wealth. The following however, makes more sense: Originally by: Ambo I have no interest in role playing. I invest because it allows me to play perpetually for free and covers the cost of losing cheap ships. In other words, I do nothing to make money now, I don't rat, mission, mine, trade or manufacture. I only PvP. As long as I don't lose too much in the way of ships I can keep doing this indefinatley thanks to my investments. On the %age scams front, I've had 22 investments so far. 2 have been scams and were early in my Eve market career and both for smaller amounts (500 mil and 700 mil I think), the rest have all made money or are waiting on first divs. In total, taking the scams into account, I have made around 4 bil on the secondary market since sept 07. Certainly nothing to compare to trading for example, but not half bad for virtually zero effort. edit: sp
Segge Bolled Caldari Dirty Sexy Pilots	Posted - 2008.05.15 16:31:00 - [141] Originally by: YouGotRipped I can take a punch pretty well but please abstain yourself from using "<3" and ":P". Considering your real gender (and not the avatar's), your posts that feature such emoticons make me noxious. I doubt there are many who'd deny you are quite noxious indeed,
mynnna Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.16 15:14:00 - [142] Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 15/05/2008 13:12:28 Psst, Kwint, here boy! Wallet balance You must spend a lot of isk if you can make (number between 2 and 10) billion a month and still only have 10b isk
Blue Dice Gallente Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold	Posted - 2008.05.16 15:27:00 - [143] Edited by: Blue Dice on 16/05/2008 15:29:19 To bring this a little back to the topic: Haakkon i'm looking forward to see your IPO, if it suits me I might invest. I have no personal feelings about Goons as of now as I didnt have any contact (any noticable contact anyways) with them. Your way to answer patiently here, while keeping your calm over all the flaming is remarkable. If your IPO looks good the fact you are in Goonswarm will not keep me from investing into it. Good luck. Edit: Correction in Haakkons name...again Nano Tech Inc.
Berand Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.05.16 17:23:00 - [144] A Goonie-run IPO. The phrase that comes to mind is, "A fool and his money are soon parted." This is an alliance that prides itself on how well it scams people. Look, if you're really considering investing in this, just give me your isk instead. I wont give it back, nor will I pay any return on your investment in any way. But at least I'll spare you the public mocking you'll get for doing the same thing with a Goonie. Thus, you'll come out ahead. I think that's a pretty fair deal. My wallet is waiting! Berand
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.05.17 17:49:00 - [145] Originally by: Kwint Sommer For a while he was trying to raise public funds but he could never get investment, even when he offered security. That isn't quite true. I accepted the collateral he offered in return for an investment of 500m, and he was kind enough to repay it 2 weeks later with 40m of interest even though he never started a publicly funded venture. I wonder whether it would have been a public service to demand a ransom of a month's civil forum conduct before returning his BPOs, but then again I also wonder how he'd have done if he hadn't publicly attacked so many potential investors. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.05.18 09:50:00 - [146] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Originally by: Kwint Sommer For a while he was trying to raise public funds but he could never get investment, even when he offered security. That isn't quite true. I accepted the collateral he offered in return for an investment of 500m, and he was kind enough to repay it 2 weeks later with 40m of interest even though he never started a publicly funded venture. I wonder whether it would have been a public service to demand a ransom of a month's civil forum conduct before returning his BPOs, but then again I also wonder how he'd have done if he hadn't publicly attacked so many potential investors. We'll find out soon enough if that even matters.
Opertone Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.18 22:52:00 - [147] the BoB and the general public who dislikes the goon will do everything to force this undertaking into a failure... there are spies everywhere
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2008.05.18 23:11:00 - [148] I would invest in a goon run venture. They are actually very trustworthy people and only tend to exploit idiots anyway - something I don't have a problem with. I had numerous dealings with them and always had a successful outcome.
LancerSix Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.05.19 21:53:00 - [149] Originally by: Shin Ra I had numerous dealings with them and always had a successful outcome. Thread won.

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