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Mongo Peck	Posted - 2004.04.28 11:16:00 - [61] This is why Eve is losing mature players .... after a month off it still gets back to the same garbage on these forums .. Be men / and women (Jade) shout good fight, get drunk and smile without posting the he said / she said crrap. I say again .... good fight and respect to all and if anyone has a problem with that then I suggest you grow into double digits. Mongo speaks !!
Riddari	Posted - 2004.04.28 11:20:00 - [62] Originally by: Marichek I'm just happy to expell some ammo at 5am, even though i have to be up at 7 am. It gets lot harder with age ¼©¼ a history
Toulak	Posted - 2004.04.28 11:22:00 - [63] Edited by: Toulak on 28/04/2004 11:24:32 Quote: I'm just happy to expell some ammo at 5am, even though i have to be up at 7 am. Your my hero. Quote: This is why Eve is losing mature players .... after a month off it still gets back to the same garbage on these forums .. A tad hypocrital dontcha think Mongo, either that or you have a short memory of all the crap you yourself used to post.
Mongo Peck	Posted - 2004.04.28 11:26:00 - [64] Toulak ....... single digits I see ... Mongo speaks !!
Toulak	Posted - 2004.04.28 11:29:00 - [65] Yap yap.
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.04.28 11:35:00 - [66] Originally by: Mongo Peck This is why Eve is losing mature players .... after a month off it still gets back to the same garbage on these forums .. Be men / and women (Jade) shout good fight, get drunk and smile without posting the he said / she said crrap. I say again .... good fight and respect to all and if anyone has a problem with that then I suggest you grow into double digits. Agreed Mongo. I couldn't be available for action last night as I had real life stuff to contend with. However it dissapoints me to see Cao Cao, Havocide and Marichek coming out with smaktalk both here and in local. For the past two or three months (I forget how long it has been that we have been fighting), we have had skirmishes all over the northern sector of space. Sometimes we are outnumbered and don't fight. Sometimes we are not outnumbered and don't fight for tactical reasons. Sometimes we have to go to bed and sleep. Sometimes the enemy is outnumbered and doesn't fight. Sometimes the enemy goes to bed and sleeps. One thing has remained constant throughout all the battles... they have been fought with respect on both sides. Even while the skirmishes are raging on, I have been in contact with the leaders of the enemy comparing probable losses and kills, giving kudos when they pull off a good tactical decision, taking the mickey light-heartedly when we lose or they lose. This has made the war more fun than anything we have done in Eve before. That was until yesterday... I was extremely dissapointed to find out that we had received allegations of being cowards and were smaktalked at by someone who had not even been involved in the war until this point. I was further enraged to see a couple more enemies seemingly backing up his comments. From this point on, friendly forces are being instructed to simply ignore the EXTREMELY SMALL CONTINGENT of our enemies who wish to smaktalk and simply continue with this war as we have been over the past two months or so. Smaktalking brings nothing but hate into the game and takes away the fun. I'm glad to see that some of the F-E have returned to eve now and look forward to fighting against you guys again in the future. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Omniwar	Posted - 2004.04.28 11:35:00 - [67] There is one thing that is a must when trying to flame, that is to use facts, facts that can not be denied since they are true, else the flames turn towards you in the end. Most of the posts from this so called war have been flames towards RKK, CELEST and other groups engaging the F-E and its former members stating that they do not fight simular numbers and in every post the F-E and friend forces post how they were drasticly outnumbered in the begginning of the thread and then it seems the truth gets out and they have to admit that their counts may have been slighty off. This makes me believe and probably others as well that all your little stories are just that, stories that hold little or no truth in them, because like I said your enemies come and deny your counts and you admit that they are right, it makes you look really bad and you really dont look like you claim, wich is that you always fight outnumbered and always win, you twist the truth so you look better in the eyes of the people who were not there but again because you later on admit that your claims are lies you only look foolish. So the lesson that would be good to learn here is that when making statements, claims and general flames the only way to go is to use facts, since they cant be torn down. Lies always get torn down in the end. *Spawn of the Devil*
Monarch	Posted - 2004.04.28 12:00:00 - [68] Quote: celes was their with a few ships, but logged off, as it was getting late, dont know why we are mentioned in the P3EN battle, as dont think any of us was there.... Glad u had fun, but do u think we really care what u think, seems cao cao/maricheck, and a few others have a vendetta against us.... next time leave us out, everyone knows we are safe spot, log off experts... what is the difference in going to a safe spot and logging, rather than, waiting for hours for MANY more reinforcements to arrive?? i have no respect for celes, every battle they are in, they must outnumber the enemy or don't fight. that has been my experience every time. but if you're getting pwnd in a 5* (+2 cruisers, yeah yeah) vs. 5 fight. i understand why... Quote: The funny thing is, Marichek moans about people not fighting when he wants them too, yet I do recall numerous times his corpmates/allies been sat at safespots for various reasons, either being outnumbered, not kitted up to fight etc etc. The next time I see that happen Im gonna jump on the boards straight away and flame like crazy. being outnumbered 3 to 1 and you're going to call them cowards??
Isiana	Posted - 2004.04.28 12:18:00 - [69] Originally by: Monarch i have no respect for celes Like anyone cares? Thanks for letting us know Carebear\|Me Alts
darth solo	Posted - 2004.04.28 13:26:00 - [70] Edited by: darth solo on 28/04/2004 13:29:39 Originally by: Omniwar There is one thing that is a must when trying to flame, that is to use facts, facts that can not be denied since they are true, else the flames turn towards you in the end. Most of the posts from this so called war have been flames towards RKK, CELEST and other groups engaging the F-E and its former members stating that they do not fight simular numbers and in every post the F-E and friend forces post how they were drasticly outnumbered in the begginning of the thread and then it seems the truth gets out and they have to admit that their counts may have been slighty off. This makes me believe and probably others as well that all your little stories are just that, stories that hold little or no truth in them, because like I said your enemies come and deny your counts and you admit that they are right, it makes you look really bad and you really dont look like you claim, wich is that you always fight outnumbered and always win, you twist the truth so you look better in the eyes of the people who were not there but again because you later on admit that your claims are lies you only look foolish. So the lesson that would be good to learn here is that when making statements, claims and general flames the only way to go is to use facts, since they cant be torn down. Lies always get torn down in the end. Thank u, some1 gets it at last. u have seen through the crap that these guys spew..... hopefully this will be the last post like this. oh, and monarch, ur little temper tantrum before with celes members, was ermmmmmm real mature... ur another guy that needs to start telling the truth, and stop talking crap. now play the darn game kiddies.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.04.28 13:28:00 - [71] I just don't understand all this nonsense goading talk that goes on. Honestly, when someone suggests on the main forum that ccp should instigate a "consensual" war system (both sides have to agree to fight) we are all (rightly) up in arms and saying what a total load of rubbish that would be. But here we have an actual war, with hostile fleets and manouver and tactics and bold advances and clever retreats and everything, and what whats the apparent main beef? That people didn't "consent" to some kind of artificial even numbers slugfest for the mutual ego-stroking of all concerned. What on earth! Its a war dammit, that means that both sides want to win and that the big picture is eliminating enemy ships, capability, morale, and will to win. Cao Cao is either an idiot who completely misunderstands the dynamic of war-fighting in Eve, or, he is just playing a psyops game to tempt allied pilots into doing stupid things. Sure this kind of smack-talk is childish and disrespectful but I guess that if you have the smaller, weaker, force, you need to divide your enemy and force them into taking silly chances. But that said, how anyone could take seriously the charge that Celestial Apoc and Reikoku et al, are not brave and clever and enthusiastic fighters is quite beyond me. While Forsaken Empire have been plugged into their VR consoles playing medieval sims planetside the northern allies have been fighting for a past couple of months solid. Lets look at the balance of power in the north to assess this: A couple of months ago Forsaken was a "mighty power" that dominated Vale and Tribute and was supporting a pupport regime in Fade and oppressing the scattered forces of the free north in Deklein and Pureblind. Phoenix Alliance had folded and NAP'ed and with the civil conflict in Stain space the Curse Alliance was ever more free to support Forsaken with its own strength. Now that is all gone. Forsaken is dead. The Emperor is dead. The protectorate is dead. FE contract miners want refunds. The remaining FE fighters have joined other corps. P-3 to Pureblind is an open territory with running battles against the remaining FE/CA/Oracles forces that skirmish at night there. So to last night. Some old FE people jacked out of VR and got into their ships for the first time in months and went looking for a fight. Cao Cao fired off his mouth early and claimed the allies had all run. But then a large and entertaining battle happened that ended with FE/CA/Oracles retreating from 0.0 space in the face of an allied fleet that remained to control the battlespace and salvage rights from the destroyed ship cans. (I was there, I watched the enemy battleships go) This was pretty much a retreat from FE/CA/Oracles. Later on after the majority of the allies had docked for the night a small group of FE/CA/Oracles counterattacked and scored some kills. And so on! War continues. (Any questions?) JF Public Forum
Frakri Hogsto	Posted - 2004.04.28 13:37:00 - [72] Hey Blacklight, Convo me ingame and i'll give you an update as to whats going on Btw, sorry i haven't done this already, just been busy as hell getting stuff organised, and trying to get out 20 convo's everytime i log on Speak to you later, P.S Lets keep the forums clean of smack from both sides please, it makes no one look impressive! It's a game, lets just have some fun!
DirtyHarry	Posted - 2004.04.28 13:58:00 - [73] Nevermind Mongo, we can go back to playing Lineage2 today. -Havo ------------------- Sig: Mirus Crosius <3 DirtyHarry ~ Havocide - WoWing It Up, Not Givin A Fk**
Plim	Posted - 2004.04.28 14:01:00 - [74] This makes me laugh... whenever our enemies get a kill its "we killed 4/5/6/9billion BS", or whatever (im not arguing with the numbers). As soon as we post how many CA BS kills we have had its always STFU You lie! Or Numbers dont count! (no pun intended) Then the rhetoric goes on... and on... and on... and on... and soon it becomes a neccesary illusion that celes are a bunch of useless hiding n00bs that sit at safe points all day, and can only fight when we have superior numbers. So ONCE more, and probably not for the last time I must remind everyone that this is a GAME. Sometimes I wonder whether if the smack talk was removed from these forums there would be anything left to read Now lets all kill each other in a more polite fashion please -----------------
Miso	Posted - 2004.04.28 14:06:00 - [75] Who shot what now? -------------------------------------------- Dead
Lachenlaud	Posted - 2004.04.28 14:19:00 - [76] So THAT's what was going on! ROFLMAO. Someone managed to nail me.. 1400's in a Tempest pegged my Rifter at a gate in one slap. Was so lagged out I wasn't even sure what was going on then my client crashed. Next thing I know I log back in and I'm sitting in an easter egg on the other side of the gate and someone in a Blackbird flips out a Cruise Missile at me... Ah well - it was only a rifter, I got to see a lot of pretty lights and special effects.... pretty cool battle. That'll teach me to go exploring about when I don't check the map. So.... who's got my corpse? [email protected] http://www.goi-eve.com/forums/ Check out the Eve Master Datasheet here!!
Techie Zero	Posted - 2004.04.28 14:23:00 - [77] Good fight all. I lost my little frigate, but it helped to lock down a BS. :) My Scorp took a pounding but I held out till the end. Lots of fun. Makes me miss it. EVE-I.com~THE Info source
darth solo	Posted - 2004.04.28 14:25:00 - [78] Originally by: Miso Who shot what now? no1. we had 50 BS more than F-E, but we logged at a safe spot due to being scared to lose our ships cause the F-E are super troopers....
Koda	Posted - 2004.04.28 14:29:00 - [79] Edited by: Koda on 28/04/2004 14:31:50 Originally by: Robotek Hybrid .. i ******* hate school... i was writing a speech while they had fun... Seconded, I was stuck in class, grrrrr. -------------- Share the love in the SNIGG Forums
Miso	Posted - 2004.04.28 14:30:00 - [80] Originally by: darth solo no1. we had 50 BS more than F-E, but we logged at a safe spot due to being scared to lose our ships cause the F-E are super troopers.... Darth, in regards to PvP - those that can do, those that can't, talk about it. I notice F-E talk alot... -------------------------------------------- Dead
The End	Posted - 2004.04.28 14:35:00 - [81] you guys can argue numbers but fact remains. we go up there looking for a fight but rkk wont fight us on fair terms until they call in rkk and celest once they have a big number then they fight. the first night we went up to D7- it was about 9v9. we then went to take over the station. all of rkk went to a safe spot. in about an hour you see local jump from 20 to like 45. we stayed an fought. doing hit and run tatics all night long. in all the battles that we fought in we lose about the same amount of ships. i will start taking screen shots to show what local looks like when we fight :) i am very proud of the guys in Orcus no matter what we are up against we fight and we fight bravely and that is something our enemies agree on too
Riddari	Posted - 2004.04.28 15:09:00 - [82] Every time I see this topic I hear Freddie Mercury singing ¼©¼ a history
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.04.28 15:10:00 - [83] Originally by: Lachenlaud So THAT's what was going on! ROFLMAO. Someone managed to nail me.. 1400's in a Tempest pegged my Rifter at a gate in one slap. Was so lagged out I wasn't even sure what was going on then my client crashed. Next thing I know I log back in and I'm sitting in an easter egg on the other side of the gate and someone in a Blackbird flips out a Cruise Missile at me... Ah well - it was only a rifter, I got to see a lot of pretty lights and special effects.... pretty cool battle. That'll teach me to go exploring about when I don't check the map. So.... who's got my corpse? You know what Lachenlaud, I actually remember seeing your corpse amongst all the wreckage and cans at that gate later on after the battle had finished and wondering to myself ... who was that man? It might still be there. JF Public Forum
Riddari	Posted - 2004.04.28 15:10:00 - [84] Originally by: darth solo Originally by: Miso Who shot what now? no1. we had 50 BS more than F-E, but we logged at a safe spot due to being scared to lose our ships cause the F-E are super troopers.... Great, now I have Max Rabst and the Palast Orchester doing their version of Super Trooper! ¼©¼ a history
Cao Cao	Posted - 2004.04.28 15:23:00 - [85] Edited by: Cao Cao on 28/04/2004 15:25:33 Normally I am against posting private convos on the public forums, but I feel that Omniwar's tirade about our honesty needs to be cleared up. As I said before, the other engagement WAS in fact 5 vs. 5 in terms of battleships. The first engagement WAS about 8 or 9 and/or 12 or so ships total vs. 25-30 ships total of which at least 16-18 were battleships. And no we didn't run to safespots, we stood our ground and fought for 2 frigging hours: __________________________________________________________________ [ 2004.04.28 02:26:32 ] Phonix > well you gotta admit FU has grown in power since last time [ 2004.04.28 02:27:29 ] Cao Cao > well now that you have RKK and Celestial Apoc backin you up [ 2004.04.28 02:28:22 ] Phonix > hey that fight was all FU exept for 2 RKK [ 2004.04.28 02:28:49 ] Cao Cao > oh really? sweet [ 2004.04.28 02:29:08 ] Cao Cao > well you guys did o.k. considering it was 8 battleships vs. 16+ [ 2004.04.28 02:29:20 ] Phonix > ya [ 2004.04.28 02:30:07 ] Cao Cao > hehe prolly even losses I think, how many confirmed on your side? [ 2004.04.28 02:30:17 ] Cao Cao > we've got 3 confirmed battleships down and 1 cruiser [ 2004.04.28 02:30:18 ] Phonix > 3 BS [ 2004.04.28 02:30:37 ] Cao Cao > yep thats what I thought too, even losses cept for prolly more frigs on ur side down hehe [ 2004.04.28 02:30:38 ] Phonix > and we got 3 more on the wat down [ 2004.04.28 02:31:12 ] Phonix > their where alot more cans at that gate that where urs no ours [ 2004.04.28 02:31:17 ] Cao Cao > well . . . yeah actually I think 4 you took at d7 [ 2004.04.28 02:31:20 ] Phonix > but very good fight [ 2004.04.28 02:31:35 ] Cao Cao > is Jericho Fraction in FU? [ 2004.04.28 02:31:41 ] Phonix > NO! [ 2004.04.28 02:31:42 ] Phonix > :P [ 2004.04.28 02:31:47 ] Phonix > i dont like them [ 2004.04.28 02:31:55 ] Cao Cao > i ******* hate them [ 2004.04.28 02:31:58 ] Cao Cao > dude they are such pussies [ 2004.04.28 02:32:05 ] Phonix > yep [ 2004.04.28 02:32:05 ] Cao Cao > SUCH pussies [ 2004.04.28 02:32:10 ] Phonix > VERY [ 2004.04.28 02:32:24 ] Cao Cao > they will OCCASIONALLY use a cruiser but almost always frigs, and lol, the whole time they stayed 200km+ away from us [ 2004.04.28 02:32:35 ] Cao Cao > we took one of them out when it came closer but jesus [ 2004.04.28 02:32:37 ] Phonix > hhahahaahahah [ 2004.04.28 02:32:50 ] Phonix > CAREBEARS [ 2004.04.28 02:33:05 ] Cao Cao > yep lame ass carebears, and man I have so much more respect for FU than for RKK or Celes [ 2004.04.28 02:33:18 ] Cao Cao > they had us at a 4 to 1 disadavantage earlier and didn't fight [ 2004.04.28 02:33:37 ] Cao Cao > it was 5 F-E battleships sitting 1 jump away from d7, and they had 21 people in system there [ 2004.04.28 02:33:51 ] Phonix > hahah __________________________________________________________________ Now if we are off by a ship here or a ship there, I haven't needed to take screen shots in the past. But you can be damned sure I will be taking them in the future to counter all the BS that gets thrown our direction. Thanks. Cao
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.04.28 15:35:00 - [86] PS Cao Cao, was disclosing a private chatlog from Phonix (presumably without his permission) your best shot at driving a wedge between FU and RKK/Celest? Thats a class act Cao Cao. Oh and before you run your mouth off about Jericho Fraction lets remember shall we. Two months ago you declared war on JF and declared you were going to wipe us off the face of Eve. We are still here. Your corp is not. We win. Spin it how you like Cao Cao. You lost to JF. JF Public Forum
darth solo	Posted - 2004.04.28 15:38:00 - [87] why post the convo F-E kid??.. its about u not liking jericho, and not respecting RKK and celes. whats it meant to say, that ur other dribble u posted didnt?.
Omniwar	Posted - 2004.04.28 15:42:00 - [88] Originally by: Cao Cao Edited by: Cao Cao on 28/04/2004 15:25:33 Normally I am against posting private convos on the public forums, but I feel that Omniwar's tirade about our honesty needs to be cleared up. As I said before, the other engagement WAS in fact 5 vs. 5 in terms of battleships. The first engagement WAS about 8 or 9 and/or 12 or so ships total vs. 25-30 ships total of which at least 16-18 were battleships. And no we didn't run to safespots, we stood our ground and fought for 2 frigging hours: __________________________________________________________________ [ 2004.04.28 02:26:32 ] Phonix > well you gotta admit FU has grown in power since last time [ 2004.04.28 02:27:29 ] Cao Cao > well now that you have RKK and Celestial Apoc backin you up [ 2004.04.28 02:28:22 ] Phonix > hey that fight was all FU exept for 2 RKK [ 2004.04.28 02:28:49 ] Cao Cao > oh really? sweet [ 2004.04.28 02:29:08 ] Cao Cao > well you guys did o.k. considering it was 8 battleships vs. 16+ [ 2004.04.28 02:29:20 ] Phonix > ya [ 2004.04.28 02:30:07 ] Cao Cao > hehe prolly even losses I think, how many confirmed on your side? [ 2004.04.28 02:30:17 ] Cao Cao > we've got 3 confirmed battleships down and 1 cruiser [ 2004.04.28 02:30:18 ] Phonix > 3 BS [ 2004.04.28 02:30:37 ] Cao Cao > yep thats what I thought too, even losses cept for prolly more frigs on ur side down hehe [ 2004.04.28 02:30:38 ] Phonix > and we got 3 more on the wat down [ 2004.04.28 02:31:12 ] Phonix > their where alot more cans at that gate that where urs no ours [ 2004.04.28 02:31:17 ] Cao Cao > well . . . yeah actually I think 4 you took at d7 [ 2004.04.28 02:31:20 ] Phonix > but very good fight [ 2004.04.28 02:31:35 ] Cao Cao > is Jericho Fraction in FU? [ 2004.04.28 02:31:41 ] Phonix > NO! [ 2004.04.28 02:31:42 ] Phonix > :P [ 2004.04.28 02:31:47 ] Phonix > i dont like them [ 2004.04.28 02:31:55 ] Cao Cao > i ***** hate them [ 2004.04.28 02:31:58 ] Cao Cao > dude they are such pussies [ 2004.04.28 02:32:05 ] Phonix > yep [ 2004.04.28 02:32:05 ] Cao Cao > SUCH pussies [ 2004.04.28 02:32:10 ] Phonix > VERY [ 2004.04.28 02:32:24 ] Cao Cao > they will OCCASIONALLY use a cruiser but almost always frigs, and lol, the whole time they stayed 200km+ away from us [ 2004.04.28 02:32:35 ] Cao Cao > we took one of them out when it came closer but jesus [ 2004.04.28 02:32:37 ] Phonix > hhahahaahahah [ 2004.04.28 02:32:50 ] Phonix > CAREBEARS [ 2004.04.28 02:33:05 ] Cao Cao > yep lame ass carebears, and man I have so much more respect for FU than for RKK or Celes [ 2004.04.28 02:33:18 ] Cao Cao > they had us at a 4 to 1 disadavantage earlier and didn't fight [ 2004.04.28 02:33:37 ] Cao Cao > it was 5 F-E battleships sitting 1 jump away from d7, and they had 21 people in system there [ 2004.04.28 02:33:51 ] Phonix > hahah __________________________________________________________________ Now if we are off by a ship here or a ship there, I haven't needed to take screen shots in the past. But you can be damned sure I will be taking them in the future to counter all the BS that gets thrown our direction. Thanks. Cao I take it that your idea of honesty does not include keeping private chats private Spawn of the Devil**
Cao Cao	Posted - 2004.04.28 15:43:00 - [89] Apparently you guys missed the part about the kill numbers, and the size of the forces. Everything I have said thus far in this thread was confirmed in that convo, which is why I posted it. So you can all SHOVE IT with your moaning about how we are making up the fact that we are heavily outnumbered etc. It is true and always has been, you can choose to ignore it if you like. And Jade, if you think "dive bombing" every 15 minutes in your pathetic little interceptor has any effect whatsoever in a battle of that magnitude, you are kidding yourself. Try equipping a warp scrambler next time, you might make yourself useful. Cao
darth solo	Posted - 2004.04.28 15:47:00 - [90] Originally by: Cao Cao Apparently you guys missed the part about the kill numbers, and the size of the forces. Everything I have said thus far in this thread was confirmed in that convo, which is why I posted it. So you can all SHOVE IT with your moaning about how we are making up the fact that we are heavily outnumbered etc. It is true and always has been, you can choose to ignore it if you like. And Jade, if you think "dive bombing" every 15 minutes in your pathetic little interceptor has any effect whatsoever in a battle of that magnitude, you are kidding yourself. Try equipping a warp scrambler next time, you might make yourself useful. Cao ermmmm, the only thing this proves is that FU attacked u guys with less ships.... man ur strange... u said that u had less ships against CELES/RKK in the convo, does that make it true?. Ill say it again, ur strange.

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