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fuze InfoMorph Services Ltd	Posted - 2008.05.07 01:11:00 - [61] Originally by: Amastat Greatest betrayal of trust to this date, though it is not talked about anymore, was the Dev scandal when BPO's were illegally spawned Its far worse than that m8. That dev got busted and CCP covered it up and not sacking the dude. Eventually it got leaked out when someone hacked forums where the said dev was talking about this with other players. Because of this they introduced IA (who doesn't show any regularly reports) and they are working on a players council (which is getting criticized for being a PR stunt).
Benedict XVII Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.05.07 01:36:00 - [62] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Uh, the WOW forums are that way ->>> WOW forums. This is called a "Win Button"
Igor Walesa The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.05.07 01:48:00 - [63] Originally by: Cheryl Winder Edited by: Cheryl Winder on 06/05/2008 21:16:22 the greatest betrayal to date would have to the the fountain coalition backstabbing the alliance im part of, NASA, they were our friends, our allies, we fought the good fight together against bob. we were promised space in fountain for our help. but then blackstar alliance stole our space by spamming towers, some of which we had allowed them to place in our space as a sign of good will. then BRUCE shielded them from retaliation. and we were kicked from fountain completely, a short while later by a plan hatched by PURE. You farmed and ran missions. In your entire time in fountain, you killed maybe 20 Bob pilots in total? You were just ratters living in npc stations that we were too nice to set red in the beginning, you were never good allies and we don't rent space.
Smakalicious Caldari Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2008.05.07 06:45:00 - [64] Originally by: Asuka Smith Developers spawning T2 BPO's absolutely, beyond that it was a man I thought was my mate stealing my main characters account (I never got it back). Yeah, the BPO thing was audacious! Did you try to petition the account? Isn't it that the initial account holder will be the one and only owner unless he officially sells/gives it away? All the best, Smak --------------------------------------- ΞνΞ-Places.com à Whereareyou? Join now it's FREE!
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.07 07:11:00 - [65] Number one would be when my best mate for 3 years was starting eve, i persuaded him to keep at it but he got "fed up" and one time i was out, got my bro to let him in the house, rummaged through my passwords in a notepad i didn't know he knew about (Maybe my brother told him shrug) and jacked 350+mill worth of stuff out my account. Couple of days later he quit eve, i got (most) of my isk back (around ~300mill) due to a "Sudden feeling of guilt" he got, maybe it was me killing 50mill worth of his new cruisers before he could leave my corp that did it
Jmanis Catharg Caldari Stickler inc	Posted - 2008.05.07 07:24:00 - [66] In my early days, finally got my first Battleship out in 0.0 only to have it ganked by Blues. All I wanted was 50 mil to cover insurance and replacement fits. In our corp at the time, I was one of the richest members, but this loss pretty much meant the best I could replace it with was a battlecruiser. Our alliance was a well established 0.0 presence warring with RA. My CEO couldn't get funds, so he went to the Alliance leader. To cut a long story short, the alliance leader didn't want to "kick up a fuss with our allies", fair enough, but not only that refused to pay the 50 mil. C'mon, it's an alliance which footed a one billion ISK bill to form a long time ago and had an established foothold in 0.0. What's 50 mil? Either way, it sowed the seeds of doubt about all alliances in me, especially when it happened a second time but I managed to get away, and the Alliance heads once again brushed it under the carpet. I didn't care about the 50 mil, I cared about them not giving a **** about their latest recruits.
Segge Bolled Caldari Dirty Sexy Pilots New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.05.07 08:41:00 - [67] Originally by: Smakalicious Originally by: Dramaticus Remedial took half our Titan fund and we the plastered him and his fat ass wife's nude pictures all over EVEO. I'd say we got the better end of the deal. LOL ... you did WHAT? Oh jeez, I still remember that - and the "Remedial's Titan" thing, too. The horror, the horror
Lt Angus Caldari Wicked Crew	Posted - 2008.05.07 09:17:00 - [68] He said he was empty, scanner said 9bill in morphite, we ransomed him for his wallet and half his assets strewn over the galexy Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Guvante GALAXIAN	Posted - 2008.05.07 10:03:00 - [69] Originally by: fuze Its far worse than that m8. That dev got busted and CCP covered it up and not sacking the dude. Eventually it got leaked out when someone hacked forums where the said dev was talking about this with other players. Because of this they introduced IA (who doesn't show any regularly reports) and they are working on a players council (which is getting criticized for being a PR stunt). Reality check, the dev abused his power in a video game, that means he should have something within the game affected, and possibly his dev powers in game removed. It does not mean that he should lose his job, as lets face it, that is way too important of a thing (You RL state) to be blown to pieces because you changed a couple numbers in a video game DB . Back on topic, I can say I have been lucky so far, but it only takes one oops to ruin your week. I like the story of the 8 bil and laughing over it that night, I hope that if one of my RL friends does something like that to me, I can react as lightly. It is hard to not get caught up in the moment.
Smakalicious Caldari Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2008.05.07 10:16:00 - [70] Originally by: Guvante (à)I like the story of the 8 bil and laughing over it that night, I hope that if one of my RL friends does something like that to me, I can react as lightly. It is hard to not get caught up in the moment. Yeah, quite a few people in this game tend to take stuff too seriously. --------------------------------------- ΞνΞ-Places.com à Whereareyou? Join now it's FREE!
Sakura Nihil Stimulus	Posted - 2008.05.07 10:36:00 - [71] You know, nothing really major in terms of betrayal has happened to me. Minor events, like the carebears in an alliance my corp was in screwing us over (2.5 years ago), or a blue breaking standings in order to shoot up my corp members (2 years ago), but nothing significant. Was semi-involved with the heist and/or destruction of about 6b in POS towers, ships, and equipment from Aegis Militia, though . Goal Line Blitz, an American Football MMO Vote Jade for CSM.
fuze InfoMorph Services Ltd	Posted - 2008.05.07 10:49:00 - [72] Originally by: Guvante Reality check, the dev abused his power in a video game, that means he should have something within the game affected, and possibly his dev powers in game removed. It does not mean that he should lose his job, as lets face it, that is way too important of a thing (You RL state) to be blown to pieces because you changed a couple numbers in a video game DB . Reality check. Its CCP policy to sack anyone who's get caught doing stuff like this. This specific case is the only exception. It caused people to quit in disgust and got a lot of bad press. So it had direct economic implications.
Fivel Ve	Posted - 2008.05.07 11:07:00 - [73] Edited by: Fivel Ve on 07/05/2008 11:08:02 never really had anything happen but then it is very difficult to get me to trust anybody in the first place especially over the internetz - little things that someone does or says start ringing some big bells for me, so i guess that sa*uarded me placing trust in someone who would eventually betray it so far none of the corps i've been in had problems with corp theft, at least while i was in them, and all of the loans i made have been repaid edit: * is some kind of curse word now?
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.05.07 11:47:00 - [74] Originally by: Guvante Reality check, the dev abused his power in a video game, that means he should have something within the game affected, and possibly his dev powers in game removed. It does not mean that he should lose his job, as lets face it, that is way too important of a thing (You RL state) to be blown to pieces because you changed a couple numbers in a video game DB . No, you should loose your job because you destroy customer relations and customer confidence in the rules of the game, that they are being followed, that there aren't any wallhacks or aimbots or T2 BPO's or Dev lackeys, especially coming from the developers themselves. It's not about a ****ty T2 BPO, the bit in a database you speak of, it's about trust. The attempted cover-up is the real "crime" though, that is what really left a sour taste of the entire game for many, and undoubtedly caused some people to quit. If a rl politician uses 4K Kr of government money for personal needs, nobody cares about that pitiful amount of money, they care about not being able to trust her. When it's not their only "mistake", and when they try to explain away or cover it up, they've lost what trust they had, and something needs to be done about that. If they get caught for X, how many other letters of the alphabet have they gotten away with? Complete control is not possible, that's why we need trust.
Misanth The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.05.07 12:40:00 - [75] Originally by: fuze Originally by: Amastat Greatest betrayal of trust to this date, though it is not talked about anymore, was the Dev scandal when BPO's were illegally spawned Its far worse than that m8. That dev got busted and CCP covered it up and not sacking the dude. Eventually it got leaked out when someone hacked forums where the said dev was talking about this with other players. Because of this they introduced IA (who doesn't show any regularly reports) and they are working on a players council (which is getting criticized for being a PR stunt). I'd agree that's the biggest betrayal to date so far in EVE.
Poppy Star Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.05.07 12:54:00 - [76] oh god, are we going to have the T20 discussion again? If we are, IBTL. Find something else to talk about people...... Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I want mein missel spaming battelsheep.
Aeo IV Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.07 12:56:00 - [77] Only Noobs trust anyone.
Sokudo Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.07 14:05:00 - [78] Originally by: 000Hunter000 i got done over by the ceo of a corp i was in, i also considered him my eve comrade, this was at the time that putting up a pos was still something special and we were on the verge of putting one up, we worked long and hard for it and were feeling very proud about it, we planned on holding a sort of ceremony, with the entire corp present when we put the tower up. I was busy doing rl things for a day, logged on the next and the lil **** had put up the pos himself without giving any of us so much as a heads up, then when i confronted him with it, he just went like 'meh, what u complainin about.' very odd... this is where i told him that if i ever met him in low/0.0 sec he better run for the gate. This was the last time i really put trust in anyone in eve.. sadly Sorry to hear this old friend... I thought the POS was going to be group thing for you when last we spoke, too.
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2008.05.07 14:32:00 - [79] HOLY CRAP, this is like EVE Dr. Phil hour or something. Worst thing was a TERRIBLE pilot by the name of Nutty. linkage he then proceeds to take on people way out of his class by himself while most of us are offline. Drops his corp roles. When CEO gets on he's griping and whining, and we are pretty **ed for him losing 7 ships in one week because of poor decisions. He then asks for corp roles back. HA! Like we are going to give corp roles back to someone who dropped them and has been whining about corp. He immediately leaves corp and logs. (Surprise.) Then comes back next day in a ceptor thinking he's safe. Dead moron. Miz Stelth Bomerz iz the **nit.
sg3s Caldari O.W.N. Corp United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.07 15:54:00 - [80] Edited by: sg3s on 07/05/2008 15:58:48 Well I just got scammed... bought a nice new raven for 450mil... I totally deserved that one though :( I knew this topic was arround so i figured I posted it, sort of betrayal of trust. Highest setback to date too for me.
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.07 15:59:00 - [81] Originally by: Poppy Star oh god, are we going to have the T20 discussion again? If we are, IBTL. Find something else to talk about people...... I would suggest reading the name of the thread again. I consider myself to be a very strong CCP supporter, and think EVE is truly ground breaking in so many ways. And to be honest, I don't hold the fine people at CCP to blame for T20's mistakes. However, this issue and the way it was handled strikes very close to the core principals that make the game attractive. It was a violation of the necessary neutrality that is essential for CCP and it's employee's to maintain, so that EVE can truly be a "sandbox" where we the players decide what makes history instead of a linear plot line decided by the development team. Without this neutrality, and the sense of trust that CCP will not play favorites, the core attraction of the game is gone for most players. So yes, this issue has resurfaced in this thread about "greatest betrayals", and rightly so. I too feel that everyone needs to move on, but the incident (while forgiven by most) will hardly be forgotten by those old enough to remember it. As they say, stains are always hard to remove completely. I still have faith in CCP as a company (I think they are good folk) and in EVE as a fair (if ruthless) game. And I will continue to do so, as long as CCP continues its efforts to make darn sure this never happens again.
Lone Gunman	Posted - 2008.05.07 18:27:00 - [82] Edited by: Lone Gunman on 07/05/2008 18:30:22 For all of you old-timers out there might remember from October 2003 The Playboy Blueprint Scandal It had all the elements... mystery, intrigue Playboy's CEO saying that it was a bug the dev's saying nada and the community demanding answers...it WAS the perfect crime...almost. Playboy's CEO "Heff" had a great operation going, at the time you could make unlimited run BPC's of any BPO. So on trust other corporations would give Heff funds to help him buy BPO's, Playboy would then buy the BPO's on the NPC market do a few ME runs on it make copies and give those URBPC's to the contributing corporations, keeping the original. It was a pretty good idea which made him the envy of everyone in EVE..... and made him a lot of enemies. One day seven Tech 1 Battleship and Cruiser BPO's were missing from research slots and were nowhere to be found. Putting it in perspective this would have been today's equivalent of seven Tech 2 Blue print originals. This went on for weeks Heff saying that it had to be a bug because there was only two people who had access to the BPO's in the research slots himself and someone beyond reproach (which they were), and CCP saying that the BPO's were not lost but in the possession of someone else and a legitimate theft (which it was). So Heff riled up the community against CCP to explain who it was and the Dev's just saying it was a legit theft. Spoiler Finally as it turns out there WAS a third person 'Player 3" that had access to the BPO's but in Heff's defense this guys had quit Eve months before because he was unable to play for medical reasons, evidentially he got better. The forth person "Player 4" involved was a member of Playboy without access to the BPO's, he was the one who received the prints. The Player 3 who had access logged on with his own account on the computer of the player 4, stole the BPO's and gave them to his buddy. It was perfect, everyone with access to the BPO's had an Alibi and the person in possession of the BPO's never had access. The problem was Heff convinced the dev's that the person who had the BPO's MUST have hacked the third guys account. The fact that the known IP of guy Player four was used to log into the Player 3's account led credence to this. When the Player 3 was asked by the devs if he had stolen the BP's he denied it, which let to the permabanning of guy Player 4. Only when this happened did Player 3 fess up and the whole scheme was reveled. Today I am fife yers owdà..Pffft.
Zaporum	Posted - 2008.05.07 20:01:00 - [83] Logging off early one night due to G/F saying she was very horny. Was a ploy to get me to watch Tv with her that night. I never truly recovered, they are still tinged a little blue.
VinkNut Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.07 20:08:00 - [84] Originally by: Wendat Huron How is Flatliner doing these days? he give it all back
Muskiet	Posted - 2008.05.07 21:00:00 - [85] On a grand corp scale I haven't seen anything so far except the odd noob player turning out to be a spy and some small stuff being stolen. As individual player though I just fell for a trick that betrayed my trust. Some people here probably know this trick already A several month old player asked me to help him in a level 4 while he was sitting outside a station "I can't get this thing finished" he said. So I go fit my domi to the highest resist for that mission, undock and ask him to fleet me. Now I'm new at this fleet thing. I've been gone for about 10 months and that was when fleet was just introduced into the game so when this message that said something about "war declaration" popped up, I asumed it is just another of the hundreds of "for info" pop-ups in the game. Anyways... he warps me into an ambush with three bs's and some little stuff buzzing around... needless to say my PVE fitted Domi didn't stand a chance. Yeah... I know this thread is about betrayal, not stupidity but I do think something in me clicked into not ever trusting anybody ever again (haven't ever been betrayed like this in Eve before). oh... hindsight=10/10: I would have loved to do it again and leave the fleet before coming out of warp. Some other ******* did this and one of the bastards (in a CNR) got concorded I heard though that he petitioned it and got it back though, but that's just what I heard and that can't be trusted either
Muskiet	Posted - 2008.05.07 22:18:00 - [86] "oh... hindsight=10/10: I would have loved to do it again and leave the fleet before coming out of warp. Some other ******* did this and one of the bastards (in a CNR) got concorded" Hold on for a sec... S C H M U C K gets blobbed out and bastards doesn't? Who made this forum anyways?

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