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Smakalicious Caldari Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2008.05.06 09:37:00 - [1] Hi, Question: What's the biggest betrayal of trust you have gone through during your time of EVE? I've heard of people telling, that there have been thiefs in the corp and even people who said, that the corp has taken stuff them. As to speak for me, I haven't had such an experience, yet, during my two years of playing. knockonwood All the best, Smak
Rhatar Khurin Minmatar Sten Industries	Posted - 2008.05.06 09:40:00 - [2] I have never cheated, lied to or fired first at a player ever and no-one has ever cheated or betrayed me either. Guess i'm one of the lucky ones
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.05.06 09:42:00 - [3] When the person who helped me to launch my first IPO, turned my back and started theatening me in real life.
Ras Blumin Mutated Miners Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.06 09:43:00 - [4] I was scammed once by a random guy I didn't know. Not very high on the betrayalometer.
Red Harvest	Posted - 2008.05.06 09:46:00 - [5] 1st place: High-level spy offlining several POS (2007) 2nd place: CEO running off with lots of the corps assets (end 2004) 3rd place: corp-thief (2003) 1st and 2nd place are pretty close, but the spy wins by the damage this has caused.
Smakalicious Caldari Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2008.05.06 09:53:00 - [6] Originally by: LaVista Vista and started theatening me in real life. whooot WTF?
Raekone	Posted - 2008.05.06 10:05:00 - [7] I once ninjad [Blade of Wizardry] and sold it for 1000g on AH. That doesn't count though since it's not EVE. Or.... DOES it? ominous music flares up
Smakalicious Caldari Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2008.05.06 10:12:00 - [8] Originally by: Raekone I once ninjad [Blade of Wizardry] and sold it for 1000g on AH. That doesn't count though since it's not EVE. Or.... DOES it? ominous music flares up Dude, you're dismissed! No WOW stuff allowed in this thread Get out of here
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.06 10:13:00 - [9] Originally by: Raekone I once ninjad [Blade of Wizardry] and sold it for 1000g on AH. That doesn't count though since it's not EVE. Or.... DOES it? ominous music flares up Doesn't that binds ? If so, how did you manage to sell it ?
Rhatar Khurin Minmatar Sten Industries	Posted - 2008.05.06 10:16:00 - [10] Edited by: Rhatar Khurin on 06/05/2008 10:16:50 Originally by: Setana Manoro Originally by: Raekone I once ninjad [Blade of Wizardry] and sold it for 1000g on AH. That doesn't count though since it's not EVE. Or.... DOES it? ominous music flares up Doesn't that binds ? If so, how did you manage to sell it ? Nah, it bind on equip. _ EVE RELATED CONTENT
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.05.06 10:51:00 - [11] Uh, the WOW forums are that way ->>> WOW forums.
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.05.06 10:56:00 - [12] Greatest betrayal of trust to this date, though it is not talked about anymore, was the Dev scandal when BPO's were illegally spawned Next to that - I have not been victim to anything like that quite yet. Usually it was me sabatoging enemy corporations I still have not been done in or had by another player in the giant board game of EVE - however several attempts against myself or my group have been made before, and they all failed so far.
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.05.06 11:26:00 - [13] I dunno, perhaps when Samirol (original char holder) did a 180 and decided that a long time of friendship meant nothing and started spreading crap about the corp to everyone he spoke to. We've had two corp-thieves that stole some assets from us in our history, and that never affected me nearly as much as when people who you thought were good friends turned out not to be. The social betrayal means a lot more to me than the financial or pixel-based betrayal.
london Gallente Industrial Coalition The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2008.05.06 11:28:00 - [14] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Uh, the WOW forums are that way ->>> WOW forums. lol
Dario Wall Caldari Black Legion Industries	Posted - 2008.05.06 12:02:00 - [15] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin I dunno, perhaps when Samirol (original char holder) did a 180 and decided that a long time of friendship meant nothing and started spreading crap about the corp to everyone he spoke to. We've had two corp-thieves that stole some assets from us in our history, and that never affected me nearly as much as when people who you thought were good friends turned out not to be. The social betrayal means a lot more to me than the financial or pixel-based betrayal. I hope you're still not trying to claim that I stole from my own corporation.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.06 12:25:00 - [16] I helped a new player get into 0.0, but he threw a tantrum when he found out that iteron IVs cost 50% more in 0.0 than in hi-sec as if it was somehow my fault, and cleaned out some crappy mods from the loot hanger (about 5-8M worth IIRC) and quit. What a disappointment; he even failed as a corp thief. Mostly I associate with some pretty cool, trustworthy people.
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.05.06 12:25:00 - [17] Originally by: Dario Wall I hope you're still not trying to claim that I stole from my own corporation. You were CEO for what? 3 weeks? Which is rather insignificant to me for a corp that I have run for over two years. The assets you left with was worth maybe 90mil and hardly what I would consider a real corp-theft (maybe a try?). Though I remember Valentin being very disappointed (since a lot of the stuff came from his mining), you can rationalize your behaviour any way you want - it's nothing that I care for much about any longer though.
Dario Wall Caldari Black Legion Industries	Posted - 2008.05.06 12:39:00 - [18] Edited by: Dario Wall on 06/05/2008 12:41:05 Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: Dario Wall I hope you're still not trying to claim that I stole from my own corporation. You were CEO for what? 3 weeks? Which is rather insignificant to me for a corp that I have run for over two years. The assets you left with was worth maybe 90mil and hardly what I would consider a real corp-theft (maybe a try?). Though I remember Valentin being very disappointed (since a lot of the stuff came from his mining), you can rationalize your behaviour any way you want - it's nothing that I care for much about any longer though. It was long ago, and I don't realy hold any hard feelings over what happened. But I would like to correct a few things. Ore Mongers was scheduled to merge with another corporation to gain access to 0.0 space. It was discussed with the leadership and all were for it. I joined the other corporation to help get things settled, and began moving assets over. During that time, I left you as CEO to hold the corporation and help ease members out in to the new corporation. Part way through the merge you then decided to evemail me and state that you were keeping the corporation, then you labeled me a thief to cover your tracks. Any attempt I made to contact you about it, you proceeded to simply block me, and then ban me from the public channels. But like I said, it was long ago and I've since then moved on. I have never stolen from a corporation, and I never will. When I join a corporation I am loyal to it. Edit - I am not trying to call you a thief Tobias. You are possibly the only person in EVE to have earned my full trust. You simply decided to keep the corporation and carry on leading it. I admire how far it has come since then.
Zaphod Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2008.05.06 12:49:00 - [19] A couple of years ago, when in Celtic Anarchy, once in a war in Syndicate, after infiltrating the enemy corp I put their alliance, gang and intel chats out to IRC channels, and their TS piped over our vent server. Thanks must go to NeoThermic for his help in that endeavour, especially for the IRC bot.
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.05.06 12:50:00 - [20] Originally by: Dario Wall Ore Mongers was scheduled to merge with another corporation to gain access to 0.0 space. It was discussed with the leadership and all were for it. I joined the other corporation to help get things settled, and began moving assets over. During that time, I left you as CEO to hold the corporation and help ease members out in to the new corporation. Part way through the merge you then decided to evemail me and state that you were keeping the corporation, then you labeled me a thief to cover your tracks. Any attempt I made to contact you about it, you proceeded to simply block me, and then ban me from the public channels. Well, I suppose this is a way to rationalize it. You made a choice to join another corporation and "move assets" over there. The rest of us (admittedly, we had 7 members at the time) didn't know. I remember your intent to join EDF, though you never mentioned that you would take all the corp assets with you. Interesting how things can be viewed so differently. Only me and Baleor are still in the game from that time and place. Time to move on. Black Hand.
Smakalicious Caldari Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2008.05.06 13:08:00 - [21] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin The social betrayal means a lot more to me than the financial or pixel-based betrayal. Yeah, depends on the amount ISK you have lost, I think. But I would agree, that at least the personal/social aspect of the whole hurts (feelings) more than the monetary thing. --------------------------------------- ΞνΞ-Places.com à Whereareyou? Join now it's FREE!
Matrixcvd Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.06 13:08:00 - [22] about a year ago xCeo nabbed 50bil in cap bluprints cap component bluprints and about 3-5 bil in T2/fac mods back when T2 was still expensive... all the while when we were tryin to support the guy on our own forums... then a about a couple months later a BoB alt wrecked up another corp in the same alliance...
Hannobaal Gallente Shadow Forces Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.06 13:08:00 - [23] Originally by: Rhatar Khurin I have never ... fired first at a player Yikes
Michayel Lyon Hematite Rose Bionic Dawn	Posted - 2008.05.06 13:20:00 - [24] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: Dario Wall stuff more stuff Woot, drama. --- Lasiverin Dark > Is everyone here allied? Red Knight > we are allied by our zombie like ability to ***** missions GM Xamother: "Beeing online is not considered harassment or exploit."
Nova Fox Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.06 14:20:00 - [25] Corp got robbed becuase of an insider that wanted to tear the newb corp apart. New Ship Idea: Tender Supply Ship, The Logistics Sister
Alz Shado Ever Flow	Posted - 2008.05.06 14:26:00 - [26] Once, as a naive and trusting young man, I clicked on a link that promised to show a nude ambulation video. However, it turned out to just be a link to the Rick Astley video "Never Gonna Give You Up" My innocence has been lost ever since. //// ---------=== []= ---------=== \\\\ Rifter(RedBad) "Kill a man one is a murderer; kill a million, a conqueror; kill them all, a God." -- Jean Rostand
Haakelen United Forces Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.06 14:27:00 - [27] Originally by: Alz Shado Once, as a naive and trusting young man, I clicked on a link that promised to show a nude ambulation video. However, it turned out to just be a link to the Rick Astley video "Never Gonna Give You Up" My innocence has been lost ever since. Worst one here tbh. Condolences
Shanur Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.06 14:30:00 - [28] So far the only players hurting me have been pirates that i underestimated(IOW, if any trust was betrayed, i did it myself in thinking i could beat their gatecamps). I guess i am either lucky or simply too paranoid to suffer a real breach of trust (so far)....... The biggest breach of trust i have heard about was the infamous incident where the GHSC wrecked a corp and it's CEO in one well orchestrated sweep.
Sunbird Huy Ardent Industrial Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.06 14:35:00 - [29] Originally by: Alz Shado Once, as a naive and trusting young man, I clicked on a link that promised to show a nude ambulation video. However, it turned out to just be a link to the Rick Astley video "Never Gonna Give You Up" My innocence has been lost ever since. Innocence is such a precious thing to lose. My sympathies go to you...
Britta Absolut Profit	Posted - 2008.05.06 14:36:00 - [30] Morkt Drak stole our (joint owned) Raven bpo like 4 years ago. It hurt extra much since I actully thought he was a nice bloke, and it ended up with him threatening to petition me if I kept on contacting him about it - which I always did in a perfectly civil manner. Talk about a slap in the face. In this case the hurt was most definitely the feeling of betrayal we all had in our little corporation, not the actual isk loss (which in itself was rather substantial considering the times). No idea if he's still playing nowdays but if you're reading this I'd like you to know I for one haven't forgotten what you did to us
Anferney Black Sands	Posted - 2008.05.06 14:36:00 - [31] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Interesting how things can be viewed so differently. Only me and Baleor are still in the game from that time and place. Time to move on. I am still here too, just not with Ore Mongers. Though you guys are awesome and I had some of the best times running around low sec with all of you As for this whole Dario thing, I didn't know too much about it then and I know even less about it now and so can't really count it towards "greatest betrayal." I would give this title to an attempted corp theft of a mercenary corp I was in about a year ago that broke the trust of the corp and took out some of the fun of being in that corp
Dario Wall Caldari Black Legion Industries	Posted - 2008.05.06 14:37:00 - [32] Hey Anf. Long time no see.
Eason Carn	Posted - 2008.05.06 14:48:00 - [33] A corpmate who shall remain unnamed (Anell) took all the goats from the corp to create what she said would be Eve's first goat petting zoo. The type of "petting" that was performed on the goats by her shall keep me awake for many nights to come. Lesson learned, in Eve do not trust anyone with your goats.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.05.06 15:21:00 - [34] How is Flatliner doing these days?
Triksterism Gallente Image Not Found	Posted - 2008.05.06 15:32:00 - [35] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Uh, the WOW forums are that way ->>> WOW forums. Ahahaha, nice link. +10 points for you. XD --------------- I betrayed TFC corp. I got bored with them so I attacked alliance ships, blew up a few before running to lowsec. <3 Iron Jaw ----------------------------------- *CCP Please update my portrait on the website/forums :D*
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.05.06 15:58:00 - [36] Originally by: Triksterism Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Uh, the WOW forums are that way ->>> WOW forums. Ahahaha, nice link. +10 points for you. XD --------------- I betrayed TFC corp. I got bored with them so I attacked alliance ships, blew up a few before running to lowsec. <3 Iron Jaw ROFL that link is made of win. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu, the
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.05.06 16:04:00 - [37] A very close mate of mine once ripped me off for just short of 8 billion ISK. We had a good lolling session about it down the pub later that night. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<
Tommy TenKreds Animal Mercantile Executive	Posted - 2008.05.06 16:18:00 - [38] Originally by: Verone A very close mate of mine once ripped me off for just short of 8 billion ISK. We had a good lolling session about it down the pub later that night. Advanced Healthy Attitude trained to level 5. Bandures > tommy you like a cowboy harry )
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.05.06 16:23:00 - [39] These guys were killing this spawn I saw them at it ran in and checked the loot and got a cloudsong
Lisento Slaven Amarr The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2008.05.06 16:24:00 - [40] I don't believe I have been betrayed significantly yet. If I have...well...I'm not aware of it =P --- Put in space whales!
Gigi Barbagrigia 58th Syndicate	Posted - 2008.05.06 16:28:00 - [41] I once promised myself never to play this game again.
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.05.06 16:34:00 - [42] Edited by: Jinx Barker on 06/05/2008 16:35:01 I was scammed, 2 months into EVE. It was difficult then to get ISK for my first Thorax, and he offered to "help me out." Well, he scammed me for 7 Million ISK - a Price of a new Thorax then, almost a week of my hard earned labor went with it. Since then, I do not really trust anyone, but cultivate trust of others in me; I cant be sure that they will not scam me, but I can be sure that I will not scam them.
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 16:37:00 - [43] Remedial took half our Titan fund and we the plastered him and his fat ass wife's nude pictures all over EVEO. I'd say we got the better end of the deal. Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.06 17:52:00 - [44] IAC and TT. --
Jozeph Spinne The Scope	Posted - 2008.05.06 17:54:00 - [45] Originally by: Marcus Druallis IAC and TT. Too bad you do not have nakid pictures of him and his fat wife...
Smakalicious Caldari Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2008.05.06 18:43:00 - [46] Originally by: Dramaticus Remedial took half our Titan fund and we the plastered him and his fat ass wife's nude pictures all over EVEO. I'd say we got the better end of the deal. LOL ... you did WHAT?
Aadi Grox Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.05.06 19:22:00 - [47] Originally by: Tommy TenKreds Originally by: Verone A very close mate of mine once ripped me off for just short of 8 billion ISK. We had a good lolling session about it down the pub later that night. Advanced Healthy Attitude trained to level 5. you have to realize that 8 bil is nothing, verone is loaded, he got lucky with t2 bpos
Acies Invictus Neoteric War Syndicate Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.06 19:30:00 - [48] Have you seen "The Crying Game"? Pretty much describes my daily EVE gaming.
Jaedar Metron I G N O T U S	Posted - 2008.05.06 19:38:00 - [49] Worst thats happened to me was a blob of antipirates. They had a noobcorp on their side who played victims at the hands of an evil pirate, and asked me to help. I warped into their belt and got about 7 people locking my Caracal. Oops.
Atnal	Posted - 2008.05.06 19:46:00 - [50] A former corpmate in RDEX stole some cheap t1 mods from the consumables and ensign hanger. Later we found out who did it and booted him out promptly. He made out with 30mil worth.
Albert Goldstine Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.05.06 20:01:00 - [51] 1) End of 2005, CEO walked off with corp assets. 2) Mid 2006, I picked up a guy, bought him a BS, equipped it, helped him get on his feet, he then pops and pods one of my members.
Cheryl Winder Amarr New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.05.06 21:15:00 - [52] Edited by: Cheryl Winder on 06/05/2008 21:16:22 the greatest betrayal to date would have to the the fountain coalition backstabbing the alliance im part of, NASA, they were our friends, our allies, we fought the good fight together against bob. we were promised space in fountain for our help. but then blackstar alliance stole our space by spamming towers, some of which we had allowed them to place in our space as a sign of good will. then BRUCE shielded them from retaliation. and we were kicked from fountain completely, a short while later by a plan hatched by PURE.
Killer Kelly Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.05.06 21:19:00 - [53] All of the officers in my old corp left and took all sorts of stuff with them including a Nightmare that someone gave to the corp, everything but the Control Tower from our POS and a bunch of money as well. ___________ I Get Money in New Eden Federation
Jennifer Callisto	Posted - 2008.05.06 21:19:00 - [54] Edited by: Jennifer Callisto on 06/05/2008 21:21:16 I got one that will win hands down..... Me and Girlfriend, once lived together. Me and girlfriend meets 'Player X' on eve, who lived close by. Me goes away, Player X comes to stay (Without me knowing). (i wont go into graphic detail but im sure you get the picture at this point) Me leaves Girlfriend Player X leave Girlfriend and goes with her (at the time) best mate. If anyone can beat that, be my guest. edit: I just had a thought, 'PLAYER X' is NOT a reference to the real PLAYER X i just found in the eve character search!!!!
000Hunter000 Gallente Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2008.05.06 22:23:00 - [55] i got done over by the ceo of a corp i was in, i also considered him my eve comrade, this was at the time that putting up a pos was still something special and we were on the verge of putting one up, we worked long and hard for it and were feeling very proud about it, we planned on holding a sort of ceremony, with the entire corp present when we put the tower up. I was busy doing rl things for a day, logged on the next and the lil **** had put up the pos himself without giving any of us so much as a heads up, then when i confronted him with it, he just went like 'meh, what u complainin about.' very odd... this is where i told him that if i ever met him in low/0.0 sec he better run for the gate. This was the last time i really put trust in anyone in eve.. sadly _______________________________________________________ CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.07 00:06:00 - [56] Originally by: 000Hunter000 i got done over by the ceo of a corp i was in, i also considered him my eve comrade, this was at the time that putting up a pos was still something special and we were on the verge of putting one up, we worked long and hard for it and were feeling very proud about it, we planned on holding a sort of ceremony, with the entire corp present when we put the tower up. I was busy doing rl things for a day, logged on the next and the lil **** had put up the pos himself without giving any of us so much as a heads up, then when i confronted him with it, he just went like 'meh, what u complainin about.' very odd... this is where i told him that if i ever met him in low/0.0 sec he better run for the gate. This was the last time i really put trust in anyone in eve.. sadly Tbh, I honestly don't see the big deal... Maybe it's me.
Killer Kelly Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.05.07 00:09:00 - [57] Originally by: Jennifer Callisto Edited by: Jennifer Callisto on 06/05/2008 21:21:16 I got one that will win hands down..... Me and Girlfriend, once lived together. Me and girlfriend meets 'Player X' on eve, who lived close by. Me goes away, Player X comes to stay (Without me knowing). (i wont go into graphic detail but im sure you get the picture at this point) Me leaves Girlfriend Player X leave Girlfriend and goes with her (at the time) best mate. If anyone can beat that, be my guest. edit: I just had a thought, 'PLAYER X' is NOT a reference to the real PLAYER X i just found in the eve character search!!!! If your girlfriend would sleep with a dude she met on a video game, maybe you're better off without her.
Killer Kelly Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.05.07 00:10:00 - [58] Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: 000Hunter000 i got done over by the ceo of a corp i was in, i also considered him my eve comrade, this was at the time that putting up a pos was still something special and we were on the verge of putting one up, we worked long and hard for it and were feeling very proud about it, we planned on holding a sort of ceremony, with the entire corp present when we put the tower up. I was busy doing rl things for a day, logged on the next and the lil **** had put up the pos himself without giving any of us so much as a heads up, then when i confronted him with it, he just went like 'meh, what u complainin about.' very odd... this is where i told him that if i ever met him in low/0.0 sec he better run for the gate. This was the last time i really put trust in anyone in eve.. sadly Tbh, I honestly don't see the big deal... Maybe it's me. It's not you.
0mnipotenceX	Posted - 2008.05.07 00:37:00 - [59] We had a long time corp member named Bacci. A time came in the corp for CoRM to sell it's mothership. We put the 18 bill in the corp wallet (Maybe not the best idea). Couple days later, Bacci took it all and buggered off. Funny thing is, I think he quit after this. He came back on complaining to our CEO how badly he felt about it. Not bad enough to give it back thought I guess. Bacci if you're reading this, you're a scum bag.
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.05.07 00:41:00 - [60] Developers spawning T2 BPO's absolutely, beyond that it was a man I thought was my mate stealing my main characters account (I never got it back).
fuze InfoMorph Services Ltd	Posted - 2008.05.07 01:11:00 - [61] Originally by: Amastat Greatest betrayal of trust to this date, though it is not talked about anymore, was the Dev scandal when BPO's were illegally spawned Its far worse than that m8. That dev got busted and CCP covered it up and not sacking the dude. Eventually it got leaked out when someone hacked forums where the said dev was talking about this with other players. Because of this they introduced IA (who doesn't show any regularly reports) and they are working on a players council (which is getting criticized for being a PR stunt).
Benedict XVII Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.05.07 01:36:00 - [62] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Uh, the WOW forums are that way ->>> WOW forums. This is called a "Win Button"
Igor Walesa The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.05.07 01:48:00 - [63] Originally by: Cheryl Winder Edited by: Cheryl Winder on 06/05/2008 21:16:22 the greatest betrayal to date would have to the the fountain coalition backstabbing the alliance im part of, NASA, they were our friends, our allies, we fought the good fight together against bob. we were promised space in fountain for our help. but then blackstar alliance stole our space by spamming towers, some of which we had allowed them to place in our space as a sign of good will. then BRUCE shielded them from retaliation. and we were kicked from fountain completely, a short while later by a plan hatched by PURE. You farmed and ran missions. In your entire time in fountain, you killed maybe 20 Bob pilots in total? You were just ratters living in npc stations that we were too nice to set red in the beginning, you were never good allies and we don't rent space.
Smakalicious Caldari Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2008.05.07 06:45:00 - [64] Originally by: Asuka Smith Developers spawning T2 BPO's absolutely, beyond that it was a man I thought was my mate stealing my main characters account (I never got it back). Yeah, the BPO thing was audacious! Did you try to petition the account? Isn't it that the initial account holder will be the one and only owner unless he officially sells/gives it away? All the best, Smak --------------------------------------- ΞνΞ-Places.com à Whereareyou? Join now it's FREE!
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.07 07:11:00 - [65] Number one would be when my best mate for 3 years was starting eve, i persuaded him to keep at it but he got "fed up" and one time i was out, got my bro to let him in the house, rummaged through my passwords in a notepad i didn't know he knew about (Maybe my brother told him shrug) and jacked 350+mill worth of stuff out my account. Couple of days later he quit eve, i got (most) of my isk back (around ~300mill) due to a "Sudden feeling of guilt" he got, maybe it was me killing 50mill worth of his new cruisers before he could leave my corp that did it
Jmanis Catharg Caldari Stickler inc	Posted - 2008.05.07 07:24:00 - [66] In my early days, finally got my first Battleship out in 0.0 only to have it ganked by Blues. All I wanted was 50 mil to cover insurance and replacement fits. In our corp at the time, I was one of the richest members, but this loss pretty much meant the best I could replace it with was a battlecruiser. Our alliance was a well established 0.0 presence warring with RA. My CEO couldn't get funds, so he went to the Alliance leader. To cut a long story short, the alliance leader didn't want to "kick up a fuss with our allies", fair enough, but not only that refused to pay the 50 mil. C'mon, it's an alliance which footed a one billion ISK bill to form a long time ago and had an established foothold in 0.0. What's 50 mil? Either way, it sowed the seeds of doubt about all alliances in me, especially when it happened a second time but I managed to get away, and the Alliance heads once again brushed it under the carpet. I didn't care about the 50 mil, I cared about them not giving a **** about their latest recruits.
Segge Bolled Caldari Dirty Sexy Pilots New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.05.07 08:41:00 - [67] Originally by: Smakalicious Originally by: Dramaticus Remedial took half our Titan fund and we the plastered him and his fat ass wife's nude pictures all over EVEO. I'd say we got the better end of the deal. LOL ... you did WHAT? Oh jeez, I still remember that - and the "Remedial's Titan" thing, too. The horror, the horror
Lt Angus Caldari Wicked Crew	Posted - 2008.05.07 09:17:00 - [68] He said he was empty, scanner said 9bill in morphite, we ransomed him for his wallet and half his assets strewn over the galexy Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Guvante GALAXIAN	Posted - 2008.05.07 10:03:00 - [69] Originally by: fuze Its far worse than that m8. That dev got busted and CCP covered it up and not sacking the dude. Eventually it got leaked out when someone hacked forums where the said dev was talking about this with other players. Because of this they introduced IA (who doesn't show any regularly reports) and they are working on a players council (which is getting criticized for being a PR stunt). Reality check, the dev abused his power in a video game, that means he should have something within the game affected, and possibly his dev powers in game removed. It does not mean that he should lose his job, as lets face it, that is way too important of a thing (You RL state) to be blown to pieces because you changed a couple numbers in a video game DB . Back on topic, I can say I have been lucky so far, but it only takes one oops to ruin your week. I like the story of the 8 bil and laughing over it that night, I hope that if one of my RL friends does something like that to me, I can react as lightly. It is hard to not get caught up in the moment.
Smakalicious Caldari Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2008.05.07 10:16:00 - [70] Originally by: Guvante (à)I like the story of the 8 bil and laughing over it that night, I hope that if one of my RL friends does something like that to me, I can react as lightly. It is hard to not get caught up in the moment. Yeah, quite a few people in this game tend to take stuff too seriously. --------------------------------------- ΞνΞ-Places.com à Whereareyou? Join now it's FREE!
Sakura Nihil Stimulus	Posted - 2008.05.07 10:36:00 - [71] You know, nothing really major in terms of betrayal has happened to me. Minor events, like the carebears in an alliance my corp was in screwing us over (2.5 years ago), or a blue breaking standings in order to shoot up my corp members (2 years ago), but nothing significant. Was semi-involved with the heist and/or destruction of about 6b in POS towers, ships, and equipment from Aegis Militia, though . Goal Line Blitz, an American Football MMO Vote Jade for CSM.
fuze InfoMorph Services Ltd	Posted - 2008.05.07 10:49:00 - [72] Originally by: Guvante Reality check, the dev abused his power in a video game, that means he should have something within the game affected, and possibly his dev powers in game removed. It does not mean that he should lose his job, as lets face it, that is way too important of a thing (You RL state) to be blown to pieces because you changed a couple numbers in a video game DB . Reality check. Its CCP policy to sack anyone who's get caught doing stuff like this. This specific case is the only exception. It caused people to quit in disgust and got a lot of bad press. So it had direct economic implications.
Fivel Ve	Posted - 2008.05.07 11:07:00 - [73] Edited by: Fivel Ve on 07/05/2008 11:08:02 never really had anything happen but then it is very difficult to get me to trust anybody in the first place especially over the internetz - little things that someone does or says start ringing some big bells for me, so i guess that sa*uarded me placing trust in someone who would eventually betray it so far none of the corps i've been in had problems with corp theft, at least while i was in them, and all of the loans i made have been repaid edit: * is some kind of curse word now?
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.05.07 11:47:00 - [74] Originally by: Guvante Reality check, the dev abused his power in a video game, that means he should have something within the game affected, and possibly his dev powers in game removed. It does not mean that he should lose his job, as lets face it, that is way too important of a thing (You RL state) to be blown to pieces because you changed a couple numbers in a video game DB . No, you should loose your job because you destroy customer relations and customer confidence in the rules of the game, that they are being followed, that there aren't any wallhacks or aimbots or T2 BPO's or Dev lackeys, especially coming from the developers themselves. It's not about a ****ty T2 BPO, the bit in a database you speak of, it's about trust. The attempted cover-up is the real "crime" though, that is what really left a sour taste of the entire game for many, and undoubtedly caused some people to quit. If a rl politician uses 4K Kr of government money for personal needs, nobody cares about that pitiful amount of money, they care about not being able to trust her. When it's not their only "mistake", and when they try to explain away or cover it up, they've lost what trust they had, and something needs to be done about that. If they get caught for X, how many other letters of the alphabet have they gotten away with? Complete control is not possible, that's why we need trust.
Misanth The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.05.07 12:40:00 - [75] Originally by: fuze Originally by: Amastat Greatest betrayal of trust to this date, though it is not talked about anymore, was the Dev scandal when BPO's were illegally spawned Its far worse than that m8. That dev got busted and CCP covered it up and not sacking the dude. Eventually it got leaked out when someone hacked forums where the said dev was talking about this with other players. Because of this they introduced IA (who doesn't show any regularly reports) and they are working on a players council (which is getting criticized for being a PR stunt). I'd agree that's the biggest betrayal to date so far in EVE.
Poppy Star Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.05.07 12:54:00 - [76] oh god, are we going to have the T20 discussion again? If we are, IBTL. Find something else to talk about people...... Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I want mein missel spaming battelsheep.
Aeo IV Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.07 12:56:00 - [77] Only Noobs trust anyone.
Sokudo Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.07 14:05:00 - [78] Originally by: 000Hunter000 i got done over by the ceo of a corp i was in, i also considered him my eve comrade, this was at the time that putting up a pos was still something special and we were on the verge of putting one up, we worked long and hard for it and were feeling very proud about it, we planned on holding a sort of ceremony, with the entire corp present when we put the tower up. I was busy doing rl things for a day, logged on the next and the lil **** had put up the pos himself without giving any of us so much as a heads up, then when i confronted him with it, he just went like 'meh, what u complainin about.' very odd... this is where i told him that if i ever met him in low/0.0 sec he better run for the gate. This was the last time i really put trust in anyone in eve.. sadly Sorry to hear this old friend... I thought the POS was going to be group thing for you when last we spoke, too.
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2008.05.07 14:32:00 - [79] HOLY CRAP, this is like EVE Dr. Phil hour or something. Worst thing was a TERRIBLE pilot by the name of Nutty. linkage he then proceeds to take on people way out of his class by himself while most of us are offline. Drops his corp roles. When CEO gets on he's griping and whining, and we are pretty **ed for him losing 7 ships in one week because of poor decisions. He then asks for corp roles back. HA! Like we are going to give corp roles back to someone who dropped them and has been whining about corp. He immediately leaves corp and logs. (Surprise.) Then comes back next day in a ceptor thinking he's safe. Dead moron. Miz Stelth Bomerz iz the **nit.
sg3s Caldari O.W.N. Corp United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.07 15:54:00 - [80] Edited by: sg3s on 07/05/2008 15:58:48 Well I just got scammed... bought a nice new raven for 450mil... I totally deserved that one though :( I knew this topic was arround so i figured I posted it, sort of betrayal of trust. Highest setback to date too for me.
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.07 15:59:00 - [81] Originally by: Poppy Star oh god, are we going to have the T20 discussion again? If we are, IBTL. Find something else to talk about people...... I would suggest reading the name of the thread again. I consider myself to be a very strong CCP supporter, and think EVE is truly ground breaking in so many ways. And to be honest, I don't hold the fine people at CCP to blame for T20's mistakes. However, this issue and the way it was handled strikes very close to the core principals that make the game attractive. It was a violation of the necessary neutrality that is essential for CCP and it's employee's to maintain, so that EVE can truly be a "sandbox" where we the players decide what makes history instead of a linear plot line decided by the development team. Without this neutrality, and the sense of trust that CCP will not play favorites, the core attraction of the game is gone for most players. So yes, this issue has resurfaced in this thread about "greatest betrayals", and rightly so. I too feel that everyone needs to move on, but the incident (while forgiven by most) will hardly be forgotten by those old enough to remember it. As they say, stains are always hard to remove completely. I still have faith in CCP as a company (I think they are good folk) and in EVE as a fair (if ruthless) game. And I will continue to do so, as long as CCP continues its efforts to make darn sure this never happens again.
Lone Gunman	Posted - 2008.05.07 18:27:00 - [82] Edited by: Lone Gunman on 07/05/2008 18:30:22 For all of you old-timers out there might remember from October 2003 The Playboy Blueprint Scandal It had all the elements... mystery, intrigue Playboy's CEO saying that it was a bug the dev's saying nada and the community demanding answers...it WAS the perfect crime...almost. Playboy's CEO "Heff" had a great operation going, at the time you could make unlimited run BPC's of any BPO. So on trust other corporations would give Heff funds to help him buy BPO's, Playboy would then buy the BPO's on the NPC market do a few ME runs on it make copies and give those URBPC's to the contributing corporations, keeping the original. It was a pretty good idea which made him the envy of everyone in EVE..... and made him a lot of enemies. One day seven Tech 1 Battleship and Cruiser BPO's were missing from research slots and were nowhere to be found. Putting it in perspective this would have been today's equivalent of seven Tech 2 Blue print originals. This went on for weeks Heff saying that it had to be a bug because there was only two people who had access to the BPO's in the research slots himself and someone beyond reproach (which they were), and CCP saying that the BPO's were not lost but in the possession of someone else and a legitimate theft (which it was). So Heff riled up the community against CCP to explain who it was and the Dev's just saying it was a legit theft. Spoiler Finally as it turns out there WAS a third person 'Player 3" that had access to the BPO's but in Heff's defense this guys had quit Eve months before because he was unable to play for medical reasons, evidentially he got better. The forth person "Player 4" involved was a member of Playboy without access to the BPO's, he was the one who received the prints. The Player 3 who had access logged on with his own account on the computer of the player 4, stole the BPO's and gave them to his buddy. It was perfect, everyone with access to the BPO's had an Alibi and the person in possession of the BPO's never had access. The problem was Heff convinced the dev's that the person who had the BPO's MUST have hacked the third guys account. The fact that the known IP of guy Player four was used to log into the Player 3's account led credence to this. When the Player 3 was asked by the devs if he had stolen the BP's he denied it, which let to the permabanning of guy Player 4. Only when this happened did Player 3 fess up and the whole scheme was reveled. Today I am fife yers owdà..Pffft.
Zaporum	Posted - 2008.05.07 20:01:00 - [83] Logging off early one night due to G/F saying she was very horny. Was a ploy to get me to watch Tv with her that night. I never truly recovered, they are still tinged a little blue.
VinkNut Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.07 20:08:00 - [84] Originally by: Wendat Huron How is Flatliner doing these days? he give it all back
Muskiet	Posted - 2008.05.07 21:00:00 - [85] On a grand corp scale I haven't seen anything so far except the odd noob player turning out to be a spy and some small stuff being stolen. As individual player though I just fell for a trick that betrayed my trust. Some people here probably know this trick already A several month old player asked me to help him in a level 4 while he was sitting outside a station "I can't get this thing finished" he said. So I go fit my domi to the highest resist for that mission, undock and ask him to fleet me. Now I'm new at this fleet thing. I've been gone for about 10 months and that was when fleet was just introduced into the game so when this message that said something about "war declaration" popped up, I asumed it is just another of the hundreds of "for info" pop-ups in the game. Anyways... he warps me into an ambush with three bs's and some little stuff buzzing around... needless to say my PVE fitted Domi didn't stand a chance. Yeah... I know this thread is about betrayal, not stupidity but I do think something in me clicked into not ever trusting anybody ever again (haven't ever been betrayed like this in Eve before). oh... hindsight=10/10: I would have loved to do it again and leave the fleet before coming out of warp. Some other ******* did this and one of the bastards (in a CNR) got concorded I heard though that he petitioned it and got it back though, but that's just what I heard and that can't be trusted either
Muskiet	Posted - 2008.05.07 22:18:00 - [86] "oh... hindsight=10/10: I would have loved to do it again and leave the fleet before coming out of warp. Some other ******* did this and one of the bastards (in a CNR) got concorded" Hold on for a sec... S C H M U C K gets blobbed out and bastards doesn't? Who made this forum anyways?

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