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Baun
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Posted - 2004.04.28 23:57:00 -
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Edited by: Baun on 29/04/2004 00:01:25
Dalman.
I agree that Gallente are probably the best all around (although I, not being much of a miner, would myself rather have a Tempest than a Mega) but I would have to disagree on the 1v1 part.
A Raven, in my experience, is usually better than a Megathron 1v1 (provided both ships have the best setup I can think of on them). The fights are close, but I think a properly equipped Raven can kill a Blasterthron 1v1. I do, however, agree that Gallente is up there (2nd) in 1v1 prowess.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.04.29 01:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Jet Max
Gaiam you will be suprised that i am 24! go on write your thoughts about me here now, cos i know why you asked that question, but you know what...i dont care.
i will write that i am not surprized in the least of your age. 24 is the new 13. frikin brats.
so someone told you gallente were crap and now you are too sad to play the game anymore.
if you were in my corps i would tell you to grow some fur.
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2004.04.29 01:15:00 -
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I have learned a valuable lesson when it comes to tanking against a Megathron, unless you can do it right you DON'T do it at all. A Scorp can be amazing at tanking but it really shines as a jammer. Now a Meg, is a massive blaster boat, it can own almost any BS in the game toe to toe.
Each BS has its strengths and weaknesses. Scorps can screw your life up to no end, and Ravens built right are nigh invincible if piloted accordingly since they can launch crusie missles to no end,Megs can desimate and target annoying frigs at close range and eliminate 95% percent of the enemise you face. The Meg is probably the second or third best PvP Bs in the game. Scorp pilots envy to a point the damage you can deal to them and Raven pilots will do whatever it takes to keep you at an arms reach, the reason why each of those ships can beat a Meg is simple they are made to work together an play to the Megs weaknesses.
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Baun
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Posted - 2004.04.29 05:09:00 -
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Adendum:
I went through some calculations with a blasterthron pilot and it is actually really hard for my Raven to kill his ship. It is doable but I think the edge goes decisively to the blasterthron.
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2004.04.29 05:58:00 -
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Gallente ships rock. Even the dominix if you got the skills can be a very effective bship. And thers nothing wrong with the megathrons its a great ship if you fit it right. And as for people handing out setups its often not such a good idea using other peoples setups because skills vary.
A simple example would be fitting a blasrthron. You need an mwd for that setup to be good but its pointless if you dont have your nav skills and your engineering skills done to a high level becos ur just gonna run out of cap. At that point people start saying the ship is bad when its actually just a problem with your skills.
If you are going for a megathron then figure out what you want to do with it and then get the skills associated with it. The megathron is a death dealer in the right hands, so dont pay much attention to what people say on the forums, they are all talking about their experiences with their skill levels.
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
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ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2004.04.29 06:36:00 -
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Originally by: Baun
Adendum:
I went through some calculations with a blasterthron pilot and it is actually really hard for my Raven to kill his ship. It is doable but I think the edge goes decisively to the blasterthron.
Not if he is using neutrons.....  Which far to many blasterthron pilots see as the holy grail.
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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Sphalerite
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Posted - 2004.04.29 06:46:00 -
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Seems like every week there's a new race who's battleships totally suck. Last week it was Amarr, this week its Gallente, next it'll most likely be Caldari again.
My theory is that lots of pilots read and fantasize about a battleship before they get it, and once they do, they find all the flaws in it, while they still only see only the strengths of the other ships. Everybody sees the huge wrecking hits from Tempests, the don't think about the half hour between shots. They see the 8 mids on a scorp, they don't think about the sucky damage.
People, there are no bad battleships, just bad setups and pilots. Also, the grass will always look greener on the other side.
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.04.29 06:54:00 -
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we minmatar ship users dont whine so we dont draw attenttion
the minmatar ships OMGWTFPWNZ0R but we dont want anyone to know that so we STFU
when was thelast time u saw a minmatar ship whine by the way?
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Sphalerite
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Posted - 2004.04.29 07:11:00 -
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Originally by: Siddy
when was thelast time u saw a minmatar ship whine by the way?
Its not so hard to find... I'm reasonably sure that I've read post from noobs in this forum in the last couple weeks about how when they fit 6 1400s they don't have any low slots left. The Typhoon was EVE's whipping boy for forever until someone figured out it was a kick ass ship.
In generaly I agree though, Minmatar ship fittings seem to fit their ships better, with less shoehorning and obvious noob complaints (WTF, I can't fit 8 Tachs on this?!?)
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2004.04.29 07:14:00 -
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Siddy, its a secret plan by us gallente ship users to get our ships to be the uberest in the game.
If you like we can start a gajillion threads on how minmatar ships are crappy and get you ubered up as well. Pay me 1 billion isk and I shall start thread after thread till the tempest gets a few more bonuses.
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2004.04.29 07:17:00 -
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There's nothing wrong with the megathron. I've actually just trained the skills needed to use one effectively, now I just gotta find one for a good price  Not abandoning my raven, just need a change of pace for a bit.
Cao
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Zoneh
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Posted - 2004.04.29 07:45:00 -
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Well when i lost that Scorp to a MT I saw i need to train my Eng and Electronics skills a bit then i can use scorp as it should be used. Now lets fly a caracal:P
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Baun
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Posted - 2004.04.29 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: ProphetGuru
Originally by: Baun
Adendum:
I went through some calculations with a blasterthron pilot and it is actually really hard for my Raven to kill his ship. It is doable but I think the edge goes decisively to the blasterthron.
Not if he is using neutrons..... Which far to many blasterthron pilots see as the holy grail.
Lol ya but only an idiot would use those on a blasterthron.
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Jet Max
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Posted - 2004.04.29 14:11:00 -
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Well someone made a good point by saying that you need to be atleast 20km away to warp scramble to make a kill, never thought about that tho, probably cos i am just 24 :] Thanks guys
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2004.04.29 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Jet Max
Well someone made a good point by saying that you need to be atleast 20km away to warp scramble to make a kill, never thought about that tho, probably cos i am just 24 :] Thanks guys
Which is why the dominix is a great ship to use... put a warp scrambler on it and it still has 4 mids. Don't let anyone tell you any ship is crap, it all depends on your use and config.
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.04.29 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 29/04/2004 16:32:36
Noooo, dont listen to these people !
1. The megathron sucks at long range with it's 6 425mm rails cause they have like 20KM falloff where the 1400mm has 60 !
2. The blasterthron sucks at short range cause it has to take an indecent risk to get close and try killing the enemy before any of 10 possible ****ups to screw things over happen !
3. Both setups lack cap to work decently, caldari and minnie ships have lots of it !
4. The megathron needs more cap to tank like the Tempest, Scorp or Raven. It sucks defensively. And the only other 'cap victim', the Apoc is teh ³ber !
5. The Apoc itself just rightout outperforms the megathron on all fronts when it uses hybrids due to ³ber cap, grid and armor.
6. wawawaaawaaaa
Yeah, ok.
I Like the mega, it looks damn cool and those rails and blaasters can reeally hurt. Too bad it lacks defenses tho.
So of all the above whines (which I enjoyed typing but that lack any sincerity) only point 5 is worth any real consideration.
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2004.04.29 17:31:00 -
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1. Not if you fight at 60km. That may be difficult in a fleet battle, but then you can always retreat if you want. Hell, you can't have everything! You have more DoT, he has more Range, that's all.
2. What's life without some risk? 
It's much more gratifiiing killing a ship at point blank range that sniping him ot death.
3. Even if the Mega cap size was really a problem, each ship has to have a weakness, or balance is gone. Caldari and minmatar ships have others weaknesses.
4. (See n¦3)
Megathron: 4500 cap (923s recharge for all lv2 battleships)
Apocalypse: 4800 cap
Tempest: 4250 cap
Raven: 4250 cap
The Megathron is more dependant to his cap than the Tempest or Raven, but it's still not catastrophic.
5. An apoc with hybrids has more grid, cap and armor, but a Mega has more CPU, damage bonus, more speed and more structure (ok the last is not that important, but still)
6. Nothing to say here
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