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Jet Max	Posted - 2004.04.28 12:42:00 - [1] Done quite a bit of reading on BS setups and it seems Gallente BS's are crap compared to Caldari. There were loads of sugestions how to setup Mega to take on Raven or Scorpion but as one guy [sorry cant remember his name] said he did try ALL setups mentioned and it never worked! Do people have good setups but they dont wana share the knowledge in this forum? And damn this whole forum is talking about missiles! yes yes the ones that Gallente race can put on only 2 ships. Also i am Gallente,got 16 hours untill i can fly Mega, but cos its crap i am loosing interest in this whole game! Yes i can train to fly Caldari BS, but i want to enjoy this game not to wait another damn month to be able to fly Caldari BS.....i had waited long enough for Mega which sucks...again. So basicaly in near future PvP are gona be in Caldari BS's only? I do agree that people doing good and shoting down Raven's or Scorpion's using Mega's but hey if i flew Raven probably expierenced player would shoot me down with any cruiser. And all this counterbalancing is doing my bollox:as caldari uses this and that we could use this and this,raven got xxxx cap but mega has xxxx so if you put this in you might win..... It aint no MATH class! this is game.... me kinda fedup reading player submited spreadsheets with comparison tools which make no sence to me [probably cos i am dumb?] well so what... just give dumb players like me big guns so we can do some shootin with gallente ships. Thank you all [stressed out]
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.04.28 12:45:00 - [2] I 'll give you Pacman! Good fun game! Doesn't tax the ol' brain just one bit. Pain is meant to be felt
Orion Thomas	Posted - 2004.04.28 12:49:00 - [3] Why does everyone want to play a "massive multiplayer" game one on one?
Gariuys	Posted - 2004.04.28 12:55:00 - [4] I don't know who you've been talking to, but gallente BSs are not crap, NO BS is crap ( not even the DOM ), there is however a lot of people that can't use em proper. And there is no setup that can defeat all others, if you can defeat one setup there's a setup that's equally effective at defeating yours and so on and so on and so on. Rock paper scissors and all that. The complexity of EVEs combat system, is one of the best things about it ( thinking about it there's a hell of a lot thigns that I classify as one of the best things of EVE, the game rocks :D ) And if you end up not liking Gallente BSs you can always train for another race, EVE is great like that ( one of the best things... ) ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Balthamael	Posted - 2004.04.28 12:57:00 - [5] I think you will be very satisfied with your Megathron. Its not a bad ship and equiped correctly its one of the deadliest battleships around (1 on 1). However is got its limits, mostly due to only haveing 4 medslots and a rather smal capacitator. Ive fitted my Mega with 7 ion cannons and it rocks. So im happy with it. "The GM might tell you to jam it where the drives don't warp" drunkenmaster
Jet Max	Posted - 2004.04.28 12:58:00 - [6] Orion thats because fleet battles are very rare.People look at how strong fleet is and if they know they will loose they wont fight and to spot if your fleet will loose its not hard. So most people go 1v1 thats where you are equal... well allmost.
Ithildin	Posted - 2004.04.28 13:10:00 - [7] Well, the Dominix is the worst battleship around. One of the ships has to be. And the Megathron is not best, either. Neither is crappy, however. What they really lack is drone advantage, as there is no advantage to having 5500 m3 drone space at all, nor is it too impressive as most other races have ships with adequate (sp?) drone space. The only real problem is that the Megathron is not best at it's designed role, very close combat, due to a few reasons. No other ship is designed specifically for close combat but, quite simply, a properly fitted Megathron will not beat a properly fitted Raven/Tempest due to a little issue the Megathron have with capacitor and speed. Game is evolving, things change. Things will not stay the same. There is nothing accute about the Megathron, and nothing a little more powergrid will not fix for the Dominix. Hopefully they'll boost drones, too, more than just nerf their ability to hit. -- If TC causes you discomfort that you feel is unwarranted or may be outside TC's current contract - contact me, please.
Jet Max	Posted - 2004.04.28 13:21:00 - [8] Ithildin but check this out: the long range is thats whats all about here in this game.Look even wars we fight in real life are long ranged,we just bomb crap from enemy by using missiles,smart bombs and so on.You cant realy shoot down bomber using rifle can ya? so basically Gallente=Iraq, Caldari=Allied forces :[
Ithildin	Posted - 2004.04.28 13:54:00 - [9] Originally by: Jet Max Ithildin but check this out: the long range is thats whats all about here in this game.Look even wars we fight in real life are long ranged,we just bomb crap from enemy by using missiles,smart bombs and so on.You cant realy shoot down bomber using rifle can ya? so basically Gallente=Iraq, Caldari=Allied forces :[ And Caldari lost the war. Besides, it's a game. Therefore close range specialists should do much more damage just because they have to get close. Oh, and smart bombs are about as dumb and indiscriminate as smartbombs it seems ;) -- If TC causes you discomfort that you feel is unwarranted or may be outside TC's current contract - contact me, please.
Jet Max	Posted - 2004.04.28 13:57:00 - [10] Oh yeh forgot to say that Ithildin's comment on Gallente BS's is spot on. Well said Ithildin! in the meen time ill get my Mega and gona do some mining.
Jet Max	Posted - 2004.04.28 14:01:00 - [11] "Therefore close range specialists should do much more damage just because they have to get close." You refering this to us Gallente=Iraq suicide bombers? :] hehe
Renox	Posted - 2004.04.28 14:07:00 - [12] A Megatron can go toe to toe with any other BS in the game. " While Celestial Apoc is filled with smack talking, safespot hugging, gate cudling, empire war exploiting
Gaiam	Posted - 2004.04.28 14:18:00 - [13] there are no bad battleships, only bad pilots. just out of curiousity, how old are you Jet Max? if you want to play a "blow stuff up" game go play halo.
Jet Max	Posted - 2004.04.28 14:31:00 - [14] Gaiam you will be suprised that i am 24! go on write your thoughts about me here now, cos i know why you asked that question, but you know what...i dont care.
Tyrael Winterheart	Posted - 2004.04.28 14:35:00 - [15] Halo owns =\
Shevar	Posted - 2004.04.28 15:41:00 - [16] Originally by: Jet Max Ithildin but check this out: the long range is thats whats all about here in this game.Look even wars we fight in real life are long ranged,we just bomb crap from enemy by using missiles,smart bombs and so on.You cant realy shoot down bomber using rifle can ya? so basically Gallente=Iraq, Caldari=Allied forces :[ Quote: So most people go 1v1 thats where you are equal Hardly, long range 1:1 means one guy runs and the other well, sits there thinking he won... If you want to get a 1:1 kill you will _need_ to get into 20km (or even better 7.5 km) so you can scramble your opponent (note though your opponent usually has 2 or 3 warp core stabs (so should you btw) so you cant scramble him with 1 scrambler). Also note the entire point of being at war with something, or wanting to destroy more then loosing is basicly putting all advantages to your side. Basicly making a fair fight not doable in general, since its far better to go with 1 or 2 others or a whole group. -------- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Lentia	Posted - 2004.04.28 15:54:00 - [17] Edited by: Lentia on 28/04/2004 15:59:23 Jet, Each ship has its advantages and disadvantages. Just try and mine with a Scorpion hehe. The Megathron is a good all around ship. Dont even think about fighting in a Megathron unless u have Gall BS to 4? (For the much needed damage bonus). You must also have L Hybrid to min of 4, and all the other gunnery to at least 4 also esp weapons upgragdes and trajec analysis. For long range put on 2 sensor boosters, a tracking computer, 2 damage mods and with 425 rails you can easily be doing pretty good damage at over 120km. This is great for NPC BS and also good in fleet battles for support. For short range you use large ions or combo or large neutron and medium neutron. At least 1 webber, mwd, other two mids up to you. For both setups you will need to armor tank which is tricky but easily done. YOu need both the armor and hull skill to 5 (some say 3 but it dont work), armor hardners, named 1600 plates, and L armor repair or at least a named med armor repair. NO OTHER SHIP IN THE GAME DEALS OUT CLOSE RANGE DAMAGE LIKE A WELL EQUIPPED MEGATHRON! Lentia Military Officer http://www.staf.online-guild.com/
Mikelangelo	Posted - 2004.04.28 16:20:00 - [18] Quote: Also i am Gallente,got 16 hours untill i can fly Mega, but cos its crap i am loosing interest in this whole game! Yes i can train to fly Caldari BS, but i want to enjoy this game not to wait another damn month to be able to fly Caldari BS.....i had waited long enough for Mega which sucks...again. So basicaly in near future PvP are gona be in Caldari BS's only? Some constructive suggestions regarding the above.... 1) DON'T believe everything you read. There is lots of whining on the forums. 2) NEVER ever believe a Caldari sitting in a Scorp or a Raven. 3) Try your own setups. Suggestions from the forums are nice, but you have to figure out what is best for you.
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2004.04.28 16:30:00 - [19] Gallente ships rock. Dominix is way to under rated. It has the mids of the Tempest, the lows of the Apoc/Mega/Typhoon, ample CPU, Decent Powergrid for its 6 High Slots, and Very good bonus. It can afford to use drones like suicide bombers and mount Ion or Neutrons and MWD with enuff mids and lows to keep it alive and running. Its weekness is its looks. I have had 3 of them myself, and every other BS in the game except for Raven. I had 2 Megathrons and I liked it better than my apoc ( except when mining hehe )because it had more cpu. Every BS in this game has a purpose and a role(s) and each has its achilles heal. The Domi can easily beat any other ship if the person knows how to load it out. Same goes for Scorpion... Typhoon... Tempest... etc. -------------------- The Nest
DeathBunny	Posted - 2004.04.28 16:38:00 - [20] Just to finish up what Kaylana Syi was saying. Every ship can beat another. Poor pilot or great pilot, it doesn't matter. Theres just certain ships you hear more about then others. Some are more versatible then the rest. But doesn't mean the rest are "crap". *Fear The Bunny*
Alowishus	Posted - 2004.04.28 19:18:00 - [21] Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000
dalman	Posted - 2004.04.28 20:05:00 - [22] Complete nonsence. Gallante battleships are the best for 1vs1 Gallante battleships are good for fleet combat Megathron is tied with Apoc as best ship for NPC killing. Gallante battleships are second (after Amarr) for mining. Gallante battleships are the best race "overall". Yes, I usually fly a Raven myself. Doesn't mean I haven't used a Dominix to kill a Raven 1vs1 though M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Zoneh	Posted - 2004.04.28 20:05:00 - [23] If MegaThron is sooo crappy just tell me why did i loose my scorpion that had 8k shield and was a shield tanker to a Blasterthron... When a Blasterthron is at you at 10km youre dead no matter what skills you have..
dalman	Posted - 2004.04.28 20:10:00 - [24] Originally by: Ithildin Well, the Dominix is the worst battleship around. COMPLETELY WRONG. Some people try to use the domi in a way it's not supposed to be used though. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the ship You are supposed to fit 6 dual heavy ion blasters and release 9-10 heavy drones. That gives you a BIG damage output. Then you have 5 medslots, 7 lowslots and LOTS of CPU and powergrid free to fit a kick as defence. Or whatever you want to fit. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
dalman	Posted - 2004.04.28 20:15:00 - [25] Originally by: Jet Max Ithildin but check this out: the long range is thats whats all about here in this game.Look even wars we fight in real life are long ranged,we just bomb crap from enemy by using missiles,smart bombs and so on.You cant realy shoot down bomber using rifle can ya? so basically Gallente=Iraq, Caldari=Allied forces :[ ROFLMAO. 1. This is a game. GAME != REAL LIFE 2. Why would you want to fight at long range? How are you EVER going to kill someone if you're not in range to scramble him? M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Outcastino	Posted - 2004.04.28 20:56:00 - [26] Edited by: Outcastino on 28/04/2004 21:00:12 Originally by: Lentia NO OTHER SHIP IN THE GAME DEALS OUT CLOSE RANGE DAMAGE LIKE A WELL EQUIPPED MEGATHRON! You sure? ;) Originally by: Zoneh If MegaThron is sooo crappy just tell me why did i loose my scorpion that had 8k shield and was a shield tanker to a Blasterthron... When a Blasterthron is at you at 10km youre dead no matter what skills you have.. Because you cant tank :) A GOOD tank ISNT destroyable by any single bs. But then again a good tank sacrifices a lot of everything else. -------------------------------------------- I love the smell off cookies in the morning, smells like victory!
Gariuys	Posted - 2004.04.28 21:44:00 - [27] Originally by: Outcastino Edited by: Outcastino on 28/04/2004 21:00:12 Originally by: Lentia NO OTHER SHIP IN THE GAME DEALS OUT CLOSE RANGE DAMAGE LIKE A WELL EQUIPPED MEGATHRON! You sure? ;) Originally by: Zoneh If MegaThron is sooo crappy just tell me why did i loose my scorpion that had 8k shield and was a shield tanker to a Blasterthron... When a Blasterthron is at you at 10km youre dead no matter what skills you have.. Because you cant tank :) A GOOD tank ISNT destroyable by any single bs. But then again a good tank sacrifices a lot of everything else. I'd be quite interested in seeing that good tank setup of yours. Cause that's gotta be kick ass, just FYI a decent blasterthron can dish out around 300 DPS ( give or take a little, and that's against unhardened shields ) and that's without counting missiles and/or drones. That's quite the tank you've got there. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
XpoHoc	Posted - 2004.04.28 22:13:00 - [28] Edited by: XpoHoc on 28/04/2004 22:14:42 Megathron = best damage dealer. There are no bad ships and there are no "best" ships aswell. I get tired saying it in every second thread on this forum.
Ithildin	Posted - 2004.04.28 23:01:00 - [29] Originally by: XpoHoc Edited by: XpoHoc on 28/04/2004 22:14:42 Megathron = best damage dealer. There are no bad ships and there are no "best" ships aswell. I get tired saying it in every second thread on this forum. It's semantics and point of view, mostly. I see it as some ships need love more than others. Dominix is high on list of needing love right now, Megathron isn't. -- If TC causes you discomfort that you feel is unwarranted or may be outside TC's current contract - contact me, please.
dalman	Posted - 2004.04.28 23:20:00 - [30] Originally by: Gariuys I'd be quite interested in seeing that good tank setup of yours. Cause that's gotta be kick ass, just FYI a decent blasterthron can dish out around 300 DPS ( give or take a little, and that's against unhardened shields ) and that's without counting missiles and/or drones. That's quite the tank you've got there. 1. A Dominix has NO PROBLEM AT ALL to tank that. 5 meds and 7 lows for cap rechargers, armor hardeners and armor repairers... 2. A megathron, with missiles and drones counted, can put out about 800 damage per second M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Baun	Posted - 2004.04.28 23:57:00 - [31] Edited by: Baun on 29/04/2004 00:01:25 Dalman. I agree that Gallente are probably the best all around (although I, not being much of a miner, would myself rather have a Tempest than a Mega) but I would have to disagree on the 1v1 part. A Raven, in my experience, is usually better than a Megathron 1v1 (provided both ships have the best setup I can think of on them). The fights are close, but I think a properly equipped Raven can kill a Blasterthron 1v1. I do, however, agree that Gallente is up there (2nd) in 1v1 prowess. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Gaiam	Posted - 2004.04.29 01:10:00 - [32] Originally by: Jet Max Gaiam you will be suprised that i am 24! go on write your thoughts about me here now, cos i know why you asked that question, but you know what...i dont care. i will write that i am not surprized in the least of your age. 24 is the new 13. frikin brats. so someone told you gallente were crap and now you are too sad to play the game anymore. if you were in my corps i would tell you to grow some fur.
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2004.04.29 01:15:00 - [33] I have learned a valuable lesson when it comes to tanking against a Megathron, unless you can do it right you DON'T do it at all. A Scorp can be amazing at tanking but it really shines as a jammer. Now a Meg, is a massive blaster boat, it can own almost any BS in the game toe to toe. Each BS has its strengths and weaknesses. Scorps can screw your life up to no end, and Ravens built right are nigh invincible if piloted accordingly since they can launch crusie missles to no end,Megs can desimate and target annoying frigs at close range and eliminate 95% percent of the enemise you face. The Meg is probably the second or third best PvP Bs in the game. Scorp pilots envy to a point the damage you can deal to them and Raven pilots will do whatever it takes to keep you at an arms reach, the reason why each of those ships can beat a Meg is simple they are made to work together an play to the Megs weaknesses. Please stop being a third rate flamer,I am tired of reactivating my account just to kick your ass.
Baun	Posted - 2004.04.29 05:09:00 - [34] Adendum: I went through some calculations with a blasterthron pilot and it is actually really hard for my Raven to kill his ship. It is doable but I think the edge goes decisively to the blasterthron. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Darken Two	Posted - 2004.04.29 05:58:00 - [35] Gallente ships rock. Even the dominix if you got the skills can be a very effective bship. And thers nothing wrong with the megathrons its a great ship if you fit it right. And as for people handing out setups its often not such a good idea using other peoples setups because skills vary. A simple example would be fitting a blasrthron. You need an mwd for that setup to be good but its pointless if you dont have your nav skills and your engineering skills done to a high level becos ur just gonna run out of cap. At that point people start saying the ship is bad when its actually just a problem with your skills. If you are going for a megathron then figure out what you want to do with it and then get the skills associated with it. The megathron is a death dealer in the right hands, so dont pay much attention to what people say on the forums, they are all talking about their experiences with their skill levels. Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2004.04.29 06:36:00 - [36] Originally by: Baun Adendum: I went through some calculations with a blasterthron pilot and it is actually really hard for my Raven to kill his ship. It is doable but I think the edge goes decisively to the blasterthron. Not if he is using neutrons..... Which far to many blasterthron pilots see as the holy grail. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Sphalerite	Posted - 2004.04.29 06:46:00 - [37] Seems like every week there's a new race who's battleships totally suck. Last week it was Amarr, this week its Gallente, next it'll most likely be Caldari again. My theory is that lots of pilots read and fantasize about a battleship before they get it, and once they do, they find all the flaws in it, while they still only see only the strengths of the other ships. Everybody sees the huge wrecking hits from Tempests, the don't think about the half hour between shots. They see the 8 mids on a scorp, they don't think about the sucky damage. People, there are no bad battleships, just bad setups and pilots. Also, the grass will always look greener on the other side.
Siddy	Posted - 2004.04.29 06:54:00 - [38] we minmatar ship users dont whine so we dont draw attenttion the minmatar ships OMGWTFPWNZ0R but we dont want anyone to know that so we STFU when was thelast time u saw a minmatar ship whine by the way? -------------------------------------------
Sphalerite	Posted - 2004.04.29 07:11:00 - [39] Originally by: Siddy when was thelast time u saw a minmatar ship whine by the way? Its not so hard to find... I'm reasonably sure that I've read post from noobs in this forum in the last couple weeks about how when they fit 6 1400s they don't have any low slots left. The Typhoon was EVE's whipping boy for forever until someone figured out it was a kick ass ship. In generaly I agree though, Minmatar ship fittings seem to fit their ships better, with less shoehorning and obvious noob complaints (WTF, I can't fit 8 Tachs on this?!?)
Darken Two	Posted - 2004.04.29 07:14:00 - [40] Siddy, its a secret plan by us gallente ship users to get our ships to be the uberest in the game. If you like we can start a gajillion threads on how minmatar ships are crappy and get you ubered up as well. Pay me 1 billion isk and I shall start thread after thread till the tempest gets a few more bonuses. Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
Cao Cao	Posted - 2004.04.29 07:17:00 - [41] There's nothing wrong with the megathron. I've actually just trained the skills needed to use one effectively, now I just gotta find one for a good price Not abandoning my raven, just need a change of pace for a bit. Cao
Zoneh	Posted - 2004.04.29 07:45:00 - [42] Well when i lost that Scorp to a MT I saw i need to train my Eng and Electronics skills a bit then i can use scorp as it should be used. Now lets fly a caracal:P
Baun	Posted - 2004.04.29 13:34:00 - [43] Originally by: ProphetGuru Originally by: Baun Adendum: I went through some calculations with a blasterthron pilot and it is actually really hard for my Raven to kill his ship. It is doable but I think the edge goes decisively to the blasterthron. Not if he is using neutrons..... Which far to many blasterthron pilots see as the holy grail. Lol ya but only an idiot would use those on a blasterthron. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Jet Max	Posted - 2004.04.29 14:11:00 - [44] Well someone made a good point by saying that you need to be atleast 20km away to warp scramble to make a kill, never thought about that tho, probably cos i am just 24 :] Thanks guys
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2004.04.29 14:57:00 - [45] Originally by: Jet Max Well someone made a good point by saying that you need to be atleast 20km away to warp scramble to make a kill, never thought about that tho, probably cos i am just 24 :] Thanks guys Which is why the dominix is a great ship to use... put a warp scrambler on it and it still has 4 mids. Don't let anyone tell you any ship is crap, it all depends on your use and config. -------------------- The Nest
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2004.04.29 16:31:00 - [46] Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 29/04/2004 16:32:36 Noooo, dont listen to these people ! 1. The megathron sucks at long range with it's 6 425mm rails cause they have like 20KM falloff where the 1400mm has 60 ! 2. The blasterthron sucks at short range cause it has to take an indecent risk to get close and try killing the enemy before any of 10 possible ****ups to screw things over happen ! 3. Both setups lack cap to work decently, caldari and minnie ships have lots of it ! 4. The megathron needs more cap to tank like the Tempest, Scorp or Raven. It sucks defensively. And the only other 'cap victim', the Apoc is teh ³ber ! 5. The Apoc itself just rightout outperforms the megathron on all fronts when it uses hybrids due to ³ber cap, grid and armor. 6. wawawaaawaaaa Yeah, ok. I Like the mega, it looks damn cool and those rails and blaasters can reeally hurt. Too bad it lacks defenses tho. So of all the above whines (which I enjoyed typing but that lack any sincerity) only point 5 is worth any real consideration.
Shadowsword	Posted - 2004.04.29 17:31:00 - [47] 1. Not if you fight at 60km. That may be difficult in a fleet battle, but then you can always retreat if you want. Hell, you can't have everything! You have more DoT, he has more Range, that's all. 2. What's life without some risk? It's much more gratifiiing killing a ship at point blank range that sniping him ot death. 3. Even if the Mega cap size was really a problem, each ship has to have a weakness, or balance is gone. Caldari and minmatar ships have others weaknesses. 4. (See n¦3) Megathron: 4500 cap (923s recharge for all lv2 battleships) Apocalypse: 4800 cap Tempest: 4250 cap Raven: 4250 cap The Megathron is more dependant to his cap than the Tempest or Raven, but it's still not catastrophic. 5. An apoc with hybrids has more grid, cap and armor, but a Mega has more CPU, damage bonus, more speed and more structure (ok the last is not that important, but still) 6. Nothing to say here

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