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r0b0to Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.05.07 05:52:00 - [1] [Thorax, New Setup 6 copy 1 import 2] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I Anode Ion Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Anode Ion Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Anode Ion Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Anode Ion Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Anode Ion Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hammerhead II x5 460 dps with my crappy gunnery, warp in, kill before you get killed; the rep doesn't last for very long, try to keep your cap ~30% so you can kinda sustain your rep with peak recharge
Aadi Grox Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.05.07 06:13:00 - [2] use ECM drones instead
Noobalt Logoffski	Posted - 2008.05.07 06:14:00 - [3] I think a Suitcase II will do you more good than a second EANM II.
Corduroy Rab Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.05.07 06:22:00 - [4] Switch out one of the EANMs for a DC to take advantage of the lovely gallente structure. Also, since you are very thin on tanking I would highly recommend ecm drones. I occasionally fly a similar setup to what you posted except I used a SAR, uped the guns to neutrons and ran ECM drones. So far it has worked beautifully. Additionally, I have seen people run a setup that is passive armor with a 1600 plate and electron blasters. Wont give you the kick of neutrons but you can engage soft targets on gates if you are quick.
Heelay Ashrum Caldari Santhe Sienar Technologies	Posted - 2008.05.07 07:52:00 - [5] Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 07/05/2008 07:53:43 your problem is the MAR .. there is no point to have it since you have no cap for it.. replace mar with a 800mm rolled, replace 1 eanm2 for a dc2, and 5x ecm drones are nice too. :)
r0b0to Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.05.07 12:44:00 - [6] I think I'll do the SARII + Neutrons, and ECM's Thanks ----------- D:
Miranda Ceres	Posted - 2008.05.07 14:47:00 - [7] I like to take 5 light ECM drones plus 5 warrior IIs or hobgoblin IIs (your choice - speed vs damage).
Drake Megrim	Posted - 2008.05.07 15:23:00 - [8] I use... Lows: 1600 RT plate 800 RT plate DC II EANM II x2 Mids: 10MN MWD Web/20k Scram Highs: 5x Light Neutron Blaster II's w/ void 5x Hammerhead II's It doesn't hit as hard but having ~10k armor is pretty lol and you can usually out tank the ecm rax long enough to kill him.
Miranda Ceres	Posted - 2008.05.07 15:37:00 - [9] How long does that thing take to align?
Drake Megrim	Posted - 2008.05.07 15:43:00 - [10] About 10 seconds (eft align time) but it's so cheap that I don't care if I meet a gate camp and loose it.
Sokniw Caldari SECTOR V	Posted - 2008.05.07 15:59:00 - [11] Noob question here, been lookin into alot of thorax setups to Solo pvp, and also use it in gang pvp. But I see new eve terminoligy being thrown around every day, been playing for about 8 months or so. What is DC, and SAR? Plus, is there a good setup to use against nano ships?
Kravick Drasari	Posted - 2008.05.07 16:34:00 - [12] Edited by: Kravick Drasari on 07/05/2008 16:36:25 Originally by: Sokniw Noob question here, been lookin into alot of thorax setups to Solo pvp, and also use it in gang pvp. But I see new eve terminoligy being thrown around every day, been playing for about 8 months or so. What is DC, and SAR? Plus, is there a good setup to use against nano ships? DC = Damage Control. Also known as a DCU (Damage Control Unit) or suitcase (icon looks like a suitcase) SAR = Small Armor Repairer. Other, but similar terms: MAR = Medium Armor Repairer. LAR = Large Armor Repairer. I'd also like to point out the reason a DCU + EANM is better than a EANM x2. EANM x2 are stacking penalized. The second EANM is less effective than the first. DCUs do not stacking penalty with anything, however, you can only have one fitted to a ship at any given time. Its a unique item in that regard. --- My cat Putter approves of this post. Be a Ninja! You know you want too: http://www.animecubed.com/billy/?Kravick
Bronson Hughes The. Conspiracy	Posted - 2008.05.07 16:44:00 - [13] Originally by: Kravick Drasari I'd also like to point out the reason a DCU + EANM is better than a EANM x2. EANM x2 are stacking penalized. The second EANM is less effective than the first. DCUs do not stacking penalty with anything, however, you can only have one fitted to a ship at any given time. Its a unique item in that regard. Also, a Damage Control at least doubles your effective structure hitpoints which is nice on any ship but much moreso on Gallente ones since they have soooo much effing structure. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.05.07 18:52:00 - [14] Originally by: Kravick Drasari I'd also like to point out the reason a DCU + EANM is better than a EANM x2. EANM x2 are stacking penalized. The second EANM is less effective than the first. DCUs do not stacking penalty with anything, however, you can only have one fitted to a ship at any given time. Its a unique item in that regard. The 2nd EANM II stills give better resists. The reason why the DC II is preferable is the 60% boost on structure resist at the cost of a bit of armor resist.
Professor Mariati Tech Ward	Posted - 2008.05.07 19:06:00 - [15] (plus shield resists... not much, but any extra seconds of survivability = good)
Sokniw Caldari SECTOR V	Posted - 2008.05.07 20:11:00 - [16] Originally by: Professor Mariati Edited by: Professor Mariati on 07/05/2008 19:11:29 (plus shield resists... not much, but any extra seconds of survivability = good) a question on this... would it be better with an overdrive instead of the SAR? Seeing as a lot of the damage a Rax takes is closing to the kill, extra speed would reduce that slightly and also increase chances of glancing hits etc... basically would OD be better than SAR? like you said, any extra second of suvivablity = good, getting rid of the SAR is is loosing that second or 2 that you have approaching the target, that is if you have to use it already, but if that happens maybe you shouldnt be engaging that target. granted you go fast, but you loose your ability to recharge.
Corduroy Rab Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.05.07 22:57:00 - [17] Originally by: Professor Mariati Edited by: Professor Mariati on 07/05/2008 19:11:29 (plus shield resists... not much, but any extra seconds of survivability = good) Quote: Switch out one of the EANMs for a DC to take advantage of the lovely gallente structure. Also, since you are very thin on tanking I would highly recommend ecm drones. I occasionally fly a similar setup to what you posted except I used a SAR, uped the guns to neutrons and ran ECM drones. So far it has worked beautifully. a question on this... would it be better with an overdrive instead of the SAR? Seeing as a lot of the damage a Rax takes is closing to the kill, extra speed would reduce that slightly and also increase chances of glancing hits etc... basically would OD be better than SAR? I think it comes down to preference. I can see what you are saying, that the extra 300 or so m/s you get could limit your exposure to incoming fire. Personally though I like having the SAR available to rep me in case my ECM drones miss a cycle and so I don't have as much of a dependency on docking to repair. In most cases when I have come to a belt where a target was, they were close enough and took long enough to respond (in particular if you time it so you get a lock right has you hit disrupt range) that the extra speed was not needed.
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.05.09 14:22:00 - [18] A 800 plate will >>> a SAR unless the fight is really really long and even then I'm in doubt you will have cap to safely use the SAR. With 1600mm plate, ecm drones and electrons you have about 140 less dps compared to ions and drones. A lot more survivability should things go bad with ecm drones. And twice the buffer. In raw dps vs buffer/(tank) a 1600mm plated thorax > a ion thorax. Whats craptastic with using small blasters is your range, especially plated like that cause you ain't got the speed to handle the situation or ecm drone to get you out if u are using dps drones.. Another thorax no to mention say a rupture. Will keep you at 7km switch to null and then you can't do anything. The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
Nathan Harrow Caldari Only In Death	Posted - 2008.05.09 14:37:00 - [19] My personal favorite Thorax set up is: 5 heavy Neutron Blasters, caldari navy antimatter/Void 10m T2 MWD, Best named 20km scram and web 1 RCU, 3 t2 Magstab and 1 DCU 2 5x Medium ECM drones Kicks out a ton of dps for a cruiser, and the ecm drones help if you find yourself needing to warp out but warp scrambled
Corduroy Rab Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.05.09 15:54:00 - [20] Edited by: Corduroy Rab on 09/05/2008 15:54:35 Edited by: Corduroy Rab on 09/05/2008 15:54:10 Originally by: General Coochie A 800 plate will >>> a SAR unless the fight is really really long and even then I'm in doubt you will have cap to safely use the SAR. Last time I checked I couldn't fit a 800 plate with a full rack of med neutrons. I can see the value on an ion rax, but with the nuets you are really limited with what will fit, I put the sar. I just like to rep in space, maybe I am just old fashioned I agree with everything else you say though.
Theochrista Petronella	Posted - 2008.05.11 08:28:00 - [21] that will depend if u ave advanced waepons upgrades to 4 or 5. Then you will need to see what other skills will reduce the powergrid needs to fit sertin setups.
Cry5t4l New Millennium Knights The Red Skull	Posted - 2008.05.11 08:42:00 - [22] Originally by: Heelay Ashrum Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 07/05/2008 07:53:43 your problem is the MAR .. there is no point to have it since you have no cap for it.. replace mar with a 800mm rolled, replace 1 eanm2 for a dc2, and 5x ecm drones are nice too. :) You've got the best Thorax setup right there.
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.05.11 11:21:00 - [23] Originally by: Corduroy Rab Edited by: Corduroy Rab on 09/05/2008 15:54:35 Edited by: Corduroy Rab on 09/05/2008 15:54:10 Originally by: General Coochie A 800 plate will >>> a SAR unless the fight is really really long and even then I'm in doubt you will have cap to safely use the SAR. Last time I checked I couldn't fit a 800 plate with a full rack of med neutrons. I can see the value on an ion rax, but with the nuets you are really limited with what will fit, I put the sar. I just like to rep in space, maybe I am just old fashioned I agree with everything else you say though. Oh I read it wrong. I still think another mod is better used the SAR. Repping in station ain't that much of a hassle IMO :) I also like to say that T2 guns is almost a must, not having Null will cripple you. The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
r0b0to Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.05.12 04:42:00 - [24] t2 medium blasters would take about a month i'd rather train t2 lasers first though and the SAR is for out-of-station repping, i can't be assed to wait 15 minutes to reengage ----------- D:
Dark Voynix Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.05.12 08:29:00 - [25] Edited by: Dark Voynix on 12/05/2008 08:30:35 Originally by: r0b0to .. the SAR is for out-of-station repping, i can't be assed to wait 15 minutes to reengage... Thats realy up to you. If you have the sar and you engage you can still use it .. its not the most effective mod you can fit but , but its better than nothing. IMHO the best low slot for "pure pvp" layour is: dc2,eanm2, 800mm rolled, 2x dmg.mods but sometimes i too use the sar: dc2, sar2, 800mm rolled, 2x dmg.mods for the simple reason that i like ratting meanwhile i search for enemies ( find pvpers to engage solo is not always simple ... i search hostiles not noobs & carebears ) Keep in mind that the fist setup is the best for pure-pvp. the second one is usefull if you wish go ratting in belts, but not good for pure pvp as the first one. p.s) you can still keep with you a mar in cargo end refit to repair if the ratting part dont intererest you.
mama guru Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.12 15:04:00 - [26] Originally by: r0b0to t2 medium blasters would take about a month i'd rather train t2 lasers first though and the SAR is for out-of-station repping, i can't be assed to wait 15 minutes to reengage T2 lasers? for what? Hate to break it to you but thats useless unless you enjot flying a harbinger or a Zealot/absolution. Because you wont use them on much else. T2 blasters are alot more useful. EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak.
r0b0to Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.05.12 23:05:00 - [27] yeah, no i use the harbinger a lot as well i prefer it on gatecamps than my gallente ships :) ----------- D:
Sealteamx Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.05.13 02:05:00 - [28] [Thorax, Solo Roaming] Small Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Warp Disruptor II Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Modal Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Modal Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Hammerhead II x5 Not too skill intensive, just downgrade t2 to named if you like. Feel free to swap the 2nd EANM for a magstab if that's your style. You've got manage your cap well, the small armor repairer should be used sparingly (it's mainly an after-fight thing, i roam 0.0 in this thing for cheap fun). Its most notable kill to date: Deimos 1v1 Many other kills to go with it. No plate means its fast enough to survive the perils of 0.0, but durable, fast (no plate, use the advantage) and heavy-damage enough to take down a surprising variety of targets.
r0b0to Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.05.13 03:51:00 - [29] it's missing a gun :( ----------- D:
Mialla	Posted - 2008.06.26 02:44:00 - [30] Atm my setup is. High 5x med eclectrons II (fed navy AM) mid. fleeting web. warp disruptor II Y8 mwd lows. 1600mm RT plate DCU II 2 magstabs II RCU rigs none (why would you?) drones 5x ec-600 any way to improve it? atm i get 337.5 dps.
RDemon	Posted - 2008.06.26 08:22:00 - [31] I think my rax has 440 dps, thats with the 3% all turret dmg, and the 5 % med hybrid turret implant. i use 4 ions, 1 electron, 2 mag stab, eanm, dcu, 800mm. And vespa ofc.
RDemon	Posted - 2008.06.26 08:23:00 - [32] Ps, you guys ever notiched that a vexor can do over 700 dps :) With 1/3 the eff hp a thorax will have, but still.
Dreadmuppet Four	Posted - 2008.06.26 10:42:00 - [33] [Thorax, New Setup 1] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Reactor Control Unit II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Heavy Electron Blaster II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge M [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Vespa EC-600 x5 21468HP 376DPS cheap
Taguchi Hiroko Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:09:00 - [34] Edited by: Taguchi Hiroko on 26/06/2008 11:10:17 This will leave you with 0 pg left, and perfect for soloing. [Thorax, Gank Thorax] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Reactor Control Unit I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Sensor Booster II/ Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Valkyrie II x5 or Vespa EC-600 x5 567 dps 15,788 effective hp. beats most setups in this thread.
mama guru Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:10:00 - [35] Originally by: RDemon Ps, you guys ever notiched that a vexor can do over 700 dps :) With 1/3 the eff hp a thorax will have, but still. [Vexor, DPS1] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Reactor Control Unit II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Small Nosferatu II [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hammerhead II x5 632 DPS with my skills in EFT. Thats swedish for pretty much all heavy DPS skills @ lvl 5. exception being Combat drone operation and Medium Blaster spec. along with 2x 3% damage implants. If you do 700+ dps on a vexor, youre faction fitted or you have a useless setup like the one i posted above, with something im missing. Not only that but you can do even more in a Thorax, with a much less gimped setup: [Thorax, DPS1] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer I 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Faint Warp Prohibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hammerhead II x5 639, thats with the same skills.
RDemon	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:21:00 - [36] Your using the wrong drones, go for 1 ogre tech 2, two hammerhead, and one hobgob.
HONORABLEWARRIORSWIFE	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:40:00 - [37] 2 Heavy ion II 1 large remote rep ( offlined ) 2 heavy neutron II mwd web scram 3 mfs II 1 dc II 2 ogre II 2 hammer II 1 hobg II 700 dps ish when overloading, and you can overload for a long time with the large remote rep as a heat sink.
HONORABLEWARRIORSWIFE	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:40:00 - [38] Originally by: RDemon I think my rax has 440 dps, thats with the 3% all turret dmg, and the 5 % med hybrid turret implant. i use 4 ions, 1 electron, 2 mag stab, eanm, dcu, 800mm. And vespa ofc. This for thorax, if you mean vespa ec-600's
RDemon	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:56:00 - [39] Originally by: HONORABLEWARRIORSWIFE Originally by: RDemon I think my rax has 440 dps, thats with the 3% all turret dmg, and the 5 % med hybrid turret implant. i use 4 ions, 1 electron, 2 mag stab, eanm, dcu, 800mm. And vespa ofc. This for thorax, if you mean vespa ec-600's Something tells me i know your husband honorablewife :D
Heknai Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.06.26 16:53:00 - [40] Call me crazy!: highs: 4x Heavy Ion Blaster IIs 1x Corpii C-type small nosferatu (8600M range) mids: 1x mwd II 1x web II 1x warp disruptor II lows: 1x DC II 2x eanm II 1x coreli c-type reactive plating rigs: 2x hybrid ambit extension I 1x hybrid collision accelerator I implants: zainuo deadeye zcg100 (3% falloff bonus) zainuo deadeye zga100 (3% optimal bonsu) ammo: Null M --In times of strife and desperation, heroes are made of ordinary men...
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.06.26 21:28:00 - [41] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 26/06/2008 21:27:55 There is only one correct Thorax setup for PvP. Ignore all other suggestions, unless you want to give people comedy killmails. [Thorax, The Correct Thorax (tm)] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Warp Disruptor II Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hammerhead II x5 Ignore the people who tell you to put a plate on a T1 cruiser. With the pathetic resists, limited number of slots, and T1 base resists of a T1 Cruiser, the difference between base HP and a "tank" setup is essentially nothing. A plate will just let you die in 10 seconds instead of 5 seconds against anything other than a ratting Caracal. Meanwhile, you give up the one thing the Thorax is halfway decent at: doing huge amounts of dps to a target. So in short: fit full gank, and just kill the target before it can even get a lock on you.
HONORABLEWARRIORSWIFE	Posted - 2008.06.27 11:48:00 - [42] Edited by: HONORABLEWARRIORSWIFE on 27/06/2008 11:52:38 Any competent cruiser pilot will slaughter your fit Merin tbh, no chance of killing any competent hac's unless you have a plate, but if you want to go with that, why not switch the SAR II with a rcu II then go for more neutrons? Or you could go for the full gank vexor, as it can fit a heat sink for overloading when a Thorax cannot, maxed out Vexor does 770 dps, with same skills and implants, your thorax does 660 dps ( and this is assuming your overloading, which a vexor can do for far longer ) < Garmon btw and hai demon
Heknai Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.06.27 12:42:00 - [43] honorablewife is garmon? lolz...hai! And yes, merin your setup is good, but it certainly isn't the only successful rax setup out there. --In times of strife and desperation, heroes are made of ordinary men...

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