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Helen coracao ardente Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.12 05:58:00 - [91] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: Helen incoherent criticism based rather on "gut feelings" than on facts If someone tells that a ship using 2 faction invuls is not worth the effort, has either no clue or - and if you had read my post you'd see that i consider this possibility as more likely - tries to delude us. The numbers prove it. Prove them wrong or STFU. f*ck it dianeces already just owned ur ass.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.12 06:13:00 - [92] Originally by: Dianeces ... When I can wait for maybe another hour, tops, and find some idiot who has a rack of CN/DG Cruises, 4 CN/DG BCUs and some faction mods for a tank, why in God's name would I bother with shooting the guy with two CN/DG Invulns? ... insultive crap ... Why wouldn't you take both ? Since both are profitable you'd not lose anything but make even more cash. You only have to wait 15 min between the ganks. Just because you don't do that, doesn't mean others won't do that aswell. For some gankers sec status doesn't matter much, they come to empire on weekends for some ganking fun and then return to the safety of their 0.0 alliance space, where they built up sec status by ratting anyways. If someone wants to know whether he's in danger, he must look out for the most efficient working pirate, and not for the inefficent ones. Don't always think from your perspective and call other idiots/stupid/whatever if they prove you wrong. And don't think anyone will get offended if you call someone stupid in every sentence without having a point yourself, this just shows us what kind of person you are, nothing else.
Helen coracao ardente Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.12 06:16:00 - [93] OK either your a fantastic troll and I applaud or you really are dumb either way congrats.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.12 06:16:00 - [94] Originally by: Helen Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: Helen incoherent criticism based rather on "gut feelings" than on facts If someone tells that a ship using 2 faction invuls is not worth the effort, has either no clue or - and if you had read my post you'd see that i consider this possibility as more likely - tries to delude us. The numbers prove it. Prove them wrong or STFU. f*ck it dianeces already just owned ur ass. Lol a random rant-post full with insults and bad language instead of good arguements can hardly "own" someone ... or ok maybe thats sufficient enough to impress someone like you I feel so "owned" now
Dianeces Minmatar The Illuminati.	Posted - 2008.05.12 06:26:00 - [95] Edited by: Dianeces on 12/05/2008 06:26:22 Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: Dianeces ... When I can wait for maybe another hour, tops, and find some idiot who has a rack of CN/DG Cruises, 4 CN/DG BCUs and some faction mods for a tank, why in God's name would I bother with shooting the guy with two CN/DG Invulns? ... insultive crap ... Why wouldn't you take both ? Since both are profitable you'd not lose anything but make even more cash. You only have to wait 15 min between the ganks. Just because you don't do that, doesn't mean others won't do that aswell. For some gankers sec status doesn't matter much, they come to empire on weekends for some ganking fun and then return to the safety of their 0.0 alliance space, where they built up sec status by ratting anyways. If someone wants to know whether he's in danger, he must look out for the most efficient working pirate, and not for the inefficent ones. Don't always think from your perspective and call other idiots/stupid/whatever if they prove you wrong. And don't think anyone will get offended if you call someone stupid in every sentence without having a point yourself, this just shows us what kind of person you are, nothing else. Each mod has a 50% chance of dropping. The odds of one of the faction mods (the good ones, the ones that you claim are worth ganking over) dropping is 1/19. So, for every Raven I gank with only two faction invulns I have a roughly 5.25% chance of making a profit. Normalized over 19 ganks, I will make an average profit of 14.47m per gank (assuming I work alone). Since I must work with at least three other pilots to ensure said Raven dies before I die to Concord, I get a whopping profit of 3.62m every time I suicide gank said Raven. Since at this point, it is clear that you are completely and utterly wrong about just about everything you said about efficiency, it's fairly easy to conclude that not only are you wrong about the efficiency of ganking a Raven with two faction invulns, you are also wrong about pretty much everything else you've said. You don't have to worry about the efficient gankers, they know it's not worth it; you do; however, have to worry about the inefficient ones, the idoits and the inexperienced, because they will see those two faction invulns and think incorrectly, as you did, that it is indeed worth it to gank said Raven. The fact that the stupid ones are going to have trouble doing it properly (i.e. completing the gank successfully) is a measure of assurance that fitting two faction invulns will not get you ganked. Not only have you failed to "prove me wrong," you have proven to everyone how right I was when I said you were clueless and ignorant about the subject at hand. And as for "showing you what kind of person I am," sorry for telling you the truth (not really), sorry it hurts (sry, nop), hope you choke on it.
Droog812 The Illuminati.	Posted - 2008.05.12 06:37:00 - [96] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: Dianeces ... When I can wait for maybe another hour, tops, and find some idiot who has a rack of CN/DG Cruises, 4 CN/DG BCUs and some faction mods for a tank, why in God's name would I bother with shooting the guy with two CN/DG Invulns? ... insultive crap ... Why wouldn't you take both ? Since both are profitable you'd not lose anything but make even more cash. You only have to wait 15 min between the ganks. Just because you don't do that, doesn't mean others won't do that aswell. For some gankers sec status doesn't matter much, they come to empire on weekends for some ganking fun and then return to the safety of their 0.0 alliance space, where they built up sec status by ratting anyways. If someone wants to know whether he's in danger, he must look out for the most efficient working pirate, and not for the inefficent ones. Don't always think from your perspective and call other idiots/stupid/whatever if they prove you wrong. And don't think anyone will get offended if you call someone stupid in every sentence without having a point yourself, this just shows us what kind of person you are, nothing else. Bad carebear! Bad! First off, I would like to say I have never empire ganked and do not have any future plans to do so. Obviously I have much more experience in the subject than you do. Not because I have any, just...well crap. Just like read what you've been writing back to yourself (I will give you the benefit of the doubt you can read) and you will realize how dumb you sound. I dont know what you think happens in the whole "0.0 alliance space thing" but it is far from rating. See, theres this thing called pvp. Thats pee-vee-pee. It boils down to people shooting each other. Mainly over color. They do not have green starts next to their name and thus I hate them (sometimes this extends to blues, but sometimes not). Anyway, this pvp is anything but safe. Infact safety sort of goes against the primary idea of it. See mostly it involves dieing. Preferably the other person and not me, but that just depends on your scout (<3 monkey). Thus negating the whole safety aspect. So when your scouts do cause a clusterf*** and people die then people go out and buy shiny new ships. How do these pvpers pay for these shiny ships you ask? Well actually, some choose to kill carebears and their sexy loot. In fact its not really considered pvp to just gank 1 single ship and collect loot. Its boring. It involves sitting not doing a whole for a few hours (when theres plenty non-green people out there who truly deserve to die and have their corpses sold off for kinky sexual acts). So please get off the high horse that you are on and keep on hoping that some day youre ship will be worthwhile for one of these so called "pvpers" to spend their precious sec status on. -Droog
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.12 06:38:00 - [97] Originally by: Dianeces Each mod has a 50% chance of dropping. The odds of one of the faction mods (the good ones, the ones that you claim are worth ganking over) dropping is 1/19. So, for every Raven I gank with only two faction invulns I have a roughly 5.25% chance of making a profit. Normalized over 19 ganks, I will make an average profit of 14.47m per gank (assuming I work alone). Take a deep breath and think about this again. If you don't see the mistake, sleep a night over it and think again, maybe you'll see it then. And before you call me stupid again based on this quoted statement (seems you can't make a post without this), ask someone else about if that makes sense, because i'm getting tired with you.
Droog812 The Illuminati.	Posted - 2008.05.12 06:42:00 - [98] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Take a deep breath and think about this again. If you don't see the mistake, sleep a night over it and think again, maybe you'll see it then. And before you call me stupid again based on this quoted statement (seems you can't make a post without this), ask someone else about if that makes sense, because i'm getting tired with you. Well I'm getting tired of you and your shenanigans!
Dianeces Minmatar The Illuminati.	Posted - 2008.05.12 06:44:00 - [99] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: Dianeces Each mod has a 50% chance of dropping. The odds of one of the faction mods (the good ones, the ones that you claim are worth ganking over) dropping is 1/19. So, for every Raven I gank with only two faction invulns I have a roughly 5.25% chance of making a profit. Normalized over 19 ganks, I will make an average profit of 14.47m per gank (assuming I work alone). Take a deep breath and think about this again. If you don't see the mistake, sleep a night over it and think again, maybe you'll see it then. And before you call me stupid again based on this quoted statement (seems you can't make a post without this), ask someone else about if that makes sense, because i'm getting tired with you. How about, instead of being a smug bastard who still thinks he's right, you a.) show how that's wrong, since you seem to be so sure it is, or b.) post the corrected math so we can see how right you are. I don't think you can, because it would be silly to self-own yourself. And you'll forgive me if math isn't my strong point, I've always been more of an English and literature guy myself.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.05.12 06:48:00 - [100] Originally by: Dianeces I could suicide gank a lot of the haulers I scan, based on the vast amounts of **** they carry, and make maybe 25m per gank. And this is the problem that should be fixed. It's too cheap. Removing insurance wouldn't stop you, even if it would cut into your profit margin. Casual, stupid, blind, those ganks should not be as dirt cheap as they are, allowing anyone to suicide as many ships as they please, without thought, without consequences worth mentioning. How you choose to operate in trying to maximise effort vs reward does not change the FACT that it can be done so cheaply a profit can be made from almost any missionship. If it can be done (without much effort) it is being done. I've already seen several reports of comparatively worthless (in dropped loot) ships hit by suiciders, both haulers and T2 fit CNR's, on the forum or the various missionchannel(s). This is what must be adjusted. Your childish insults do not impress (except maybe some 14 year old) nor do they help bring your point across.
Dianeces Minmatar The Illuminati.	Posted - 2008.05.12 06:52:00 - [101] Originally by: Qui Shon Originally by: Dianeces I could suicide gank a lot of the haulers I scan, based on the vast amounts of **** they carry, and make maybe 25m per gank. And this is the problem that should be fixed. It's too cheap. Removing insurance wouldn't stop you, even if it would cut into your profit margin. Casual, stupid, blind, those ganks should not be as dirt cheap as they are, allowing anyone to suicide as many ships as they please, without thought, without consequences worth mentioning. How you choose to operate in trying to maximise effort vs reward does not change the FACT that it can be done so cheaply a profit can be made from almost any missionship. If it can be done (without much effort) it is being done. I've already seen several reports of comparatively worthless (in dropped loot) ships hit by suiciders, both haulers and T2 fit CNR's, on the forum or the various missionchannel(s). This is what must be adjusted. Your childish insults do not impress (except maybe some 14 year old) nor do they help bring your point across. Thanks for posting. Remind me where I said anything about insurance? Also, proof of the "comparatively worthless CNRs" dying, or it didn't happen.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.12 06:58:00 - [102] Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: Dianeces Each mod has a 50% chance of dropping. The odds of one of the faction mods (the good ones, the ones that you claim are worth ganking over) dropping is 1/19. So, for every Raven I gank with only two faction invulns I have a roughly 5.25% chance of making a profit. Normalized over 19 ganks, I will make an average profit of 14.47m per gank (assuming I work alone). Take a deep breath and think about this again. If you don't see the mistake, sleep a night over it and think again, maybe you'll see it then. And before you call me stupid again based on this quoted statement (seems you can't make a post without this), ask someone else about if that makes sense, because i'm getting tired with you. How about, instead of being a smug bastard who still thinks he's right, you a.) show how that's wrong, since you seem to be so sure it is, or b.) post the corrected math so we can see how right you are. I don't think you can, because it would be silly to self-own yourself. And you'll forgive me if math isn't my strong point, I've always been more of an English and literature guy myself. Ok, let's forget the maths then and try basic logic: you have 1 module and this one module will either get destroyed or it will drop. People agree on a 50% chance, at least you do it and i don't doubt that fact aswell. It's all about that one module. If you had a ship with only 1 module slot, the chance of this specific module to drop is the same as if your ship had 10000 module slots. Additional module slots don't lower that 50% of said module to drop, the chance on the 1000 module ships isn't 0.1% but still 50%. Does this make sense to you ? No it can't, because according to your (and your alt's) posts i'm silly, stupid, an idiot, whatever
Dianeces Minmatar The Illuminati.	Posted - 2008.05.12 07:01:00 - [103] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba (and your alt's) posts lol, look how stupid you are.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.05.12 07:05:00 - [104] You're welcome. Proof? As in what? Fraps with signed testimonies to it's authenticity fedexed over to you? Pfft. I said reports, as in people saying it happened to them. I have no reason to doubt it, since it IS dirt cheap, if not outright free of cost to blow up your own T1 gank BS's.
Droog812 The Illuminati.	Posted - 2008.05.12 07:05:00 - [105] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba No it can't, because according to your (and your alt's) posts i'm silly, stupid, an idiot, whatever I may be a muppet, but i am much cooler than diances alt.
Dianeces Minmatar The Illuminati.	Posted - 2008.05.12 07:09:00 - [106] Originally by: Qui Shon You're welcome. Proof? As in what? Fraps with signed testimonies to it's authenticity fedexed over to you? Pfft. I said reports, as in people saying it happened to them. I have no reason to doubt it, since it IS dirt cheap, if not outright free of cost to blow up your own T1 gank BS's. Killmails. Since you know who died, you can check Battleclinic or just do a Google search for "(their name) killboard" and you should get something back. And it is neither dirt cheap nor free of cost, especially since most of the people who suicide gank would rather do just about anything other than PvE to regain their sec status.
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.05.12 07:10:00 - [107] Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: Kerfira My post... Then don't complain that freighters full of trit are now worth suicide ganking (not that anyone would bother). Now you're the one who didn't get the point of a post I'm fairly indifferent to suicide gankings, but the reason they're on the rise is explainable, which was all I did. I wasn't expressing an opinion. Insurance is a big problem for other reasons, mainly because it injects huge amounts of ISK into the game economy, and secondly because it makes EVE too easy (new ships being essentially free). Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Dianeces Minmatar The Illuminati.	Posted - 2008.05.12 07:12:00 - [108] Originally by: Kerfira [and secondly because it makes EVE too easy (new ships being essentially free). Rigs, T2 fittings, drones, and ammo are all free now?
Dianeces Minmatar The Illuminati.	Posted - 2008.05.12 07:16:00 - [109] Originally by: Qui Shon Oh, does anyone actually get fooled by this tripe below? Quote: Each mod has a 50% chance of dropping. The odds of one of the faction mods (the good ones, the ones that you claim are worth ganking over) dropping is 1/19. So, for every Raven I gank with only two faction invulns I have a roughly 5.25% chance of making a profit. Normalized over 19 ganks, I will make an average profit of 14.47m per gank (assuming I work alone). Since I must work with at least three other pilots to ensure said Raven dies before I die to Concord, I get a whopping profit of 3.62m every time I suicide gank said Raven. Originally by: Dianeces a.) show how that's wrong, since you seem to be so sure it is, or b.) post the corrected math so we can see how right you are
Obama Girl	Posted - 2008.05.12 07:16:00 - [110] Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: Yakia TovilToba (and your alt's) posts lol, look how stupid you are. To be honest it's you who looks stupid now.
Droog812 The Illuminati.	Posted - 2008.05.12 07:16:00 - [111] Originally by: Kerfira words Obviously you have never flown a proper ship. Fitting + rigs + ship >> insurance payout. Obviously this is not as true for suicide ganking, but those ships are specifically setup to die.
Dianeces Minmatar The Illuminati.	Posted - 2008.05.12 07:18:00 - [112] Edited by: Dianeces on 12/05/2008 07:18:06 Originally by: Obama Girl Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: Yakia TovilToba (and your alt's) posts lol, look how stupid you are. To be honest it's you who looks stupid now. I'm cool with that. Thanks for your alt post. Edit: Maybe you're my alt that guy is talking about.
Droog812 The Illuminati.	Posted - 2008.05.12 07:19:00 - [113] Originally by: Dianeces Edited by: Dianeces on 12/05/2008 07:18:06 Originally by: Obama Girl Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: Yakia TovilToba (and your alt's) posts lol, look how stupid you are. To be honest it's you who looks stupid now. I'm cool with that. Thanks for your alt post. Edit: Maybe you're my alt that guy is talking about. No, helen is your alt. Dont you remember?
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.12 07:28:00 - [114] The lack of clue about basic probability theory displayed by a self-proclaimed expert suicide ganker is amazing and in combination with silly ranting and haughty behavior goes a long way to show that the only thing he is trying to accomplish here is indeed to delude people... You want ME for the CSM! There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction
Dianeces Minmatar The Illuminati.	Posted - 2008.05.12 07:31:00 - [115] Edited by: Dianeces on 12/05/2008 07:32:57 Originally by: Leandro Salazar The lack of clue about basic probability theory displayed by a self-proclaimed expert suicide ganker is amazing and in combination with silly ranting and haughty behavior goes a long way to show that the only thing he is trying to accomplish here is indeed to delude people... Read the entire thread. I freely admit that I suck at math earlier on this page. As I said before, feel free to post the correct math. Edit: Just noticed the alliance. I'm gonna enjoy watching you lose the station you guys paid for.
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.12 07:41:00 - [116] Originally by: Dianeces Read the entire thread. I freely admit that I suck at math earlier on this page. As I said before, feel free to post the correct math. The guy that you consider devoid of anything remotely resembling intelligence already did that... Quote: Edit: Just noticed the alliance. I'm gonna enjoy watching you lose the station you guys paid for. And wtg to further sabotage your own credibility by bringing stuff like this in here. Math is not the only thing you suck at apparently You want ME for the CSM! There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction
Dianeces Minmatar The Illuminati.	Posted - 2008.05.12 07:42:00 - [117] Originally by: Leandro Salazar And wtg to further sabotage your own credibility by bringing stuff like this in here. Math is not the only thing you suck at apparently Good thing I'm better at shooting stuff than I am a diplomat. See ya in fountain.
Droog812 The Illuminati.	Posted - 2008.05.12 07:56:00 - [118] Originally by: Leandro Salazar Math is not the only thing you suck at apparently I can confirm this, but it was only one time and we were drunk. But anyway, wtf is with the carebear crusade anyway. I mean if someone doesn't think its worth his time to pop a raven with only 2 invulns, he should? Cause the math says so? The math that in no way takes into account the lack of sec status. Theres always more to eve than meets the eye ;)
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.05.12 11:07:00 - [119] Originally by: Droog812 Originally by: Kerfira words Obviously you have never flown a proper ship. Fitting + rigs + ship >> insurance payout. Obviously this is not as true for suicide ganking, but those ships are specifically setup to die. Please.... Obviously you were not here when a fitted T2 BS was 250m+ ISK if you moan over current (cheap) T2 fit and rigs.... I didn't mention anything about rigs/fittings, did I? I said SHIPS are essentially free (even worse, insurance is a big unjustified ISK faucet)! NOTHING in EVE should be free! People should sweat to get into a 'big ship', and they should cry when they loose it! Nobody is flying cruisers and below these days, simply because BC/BS are so cheap. This seriously diminishes the variety of ships used in combat, thus the variety of the entire game. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Dianeces Minmatar The Illuminati.	Posted - 2008.05.12 11:19:00 - [120] Originally by: Kerfira Nobody is flying cruisers and below these days Welp.

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