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Raymond Sterns Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.05.09 14:06:00 - [31] Originally by: F'nog It may be a home for 5, but if some of the staff of 12,000 live there, and I'd assume many would, then it's not quite as bad as it sounds. Also he just introduced 12,000 jobs into the local economy, which is always a welcome addition, not to mention all the money and jobs from building it. Yes, it's ridiculously extravagant, but he could have done what so many others do and lived somewhere more common, like Europe or Dubai, and screwed over thousands of countrymen. And just think, he'll spend more on utilities per year than most of us make in several (dozen). Yes, because he'd want 12000 people who starve beneath him to come up and clean his house. _
Kusha'an Gallente Equinox Industrial Co.	Posted - 2008.05.09 16:13:00 - [32] Originally by: Daedalus DuGalle Stop telling him to give his money away. India has 1.1billion people (according to google). If he was to give that 2bil away, that's what, a little under $2 a person. Yay. Or, give his whole fortune away. That's $39 a person. Yay. Spend it like a man. Hell, if I had the money I'd buy a small Island, hire some mercs and engage in questionable scientific research. But that's just me. THIS. ---- What part of "shorn't" do you not understand?
Kusha'an Gallente Equinox Industrial Co.	Posted - 2008.05.09 16:15:00 - [33] Originally by: Raymond Sterns Edited by: Raymond Sterns on 08/05/2008 23:55:10 I'd burn it down in front of him just so I could see the look on his greasy, greedy, fat face. One thing is earning your money, another is wasting it on absurd luxiries you don't need while those in your country die of hunger. Wow. Here's something you need. ---- What part of "shorn't" do you not understand?
Batwigg	Posted - 2008.05.09 16:29:00 - [34] Honestly? Good for him. He just pumped 2 billion dollars into the economy. He also just created 12.000 jobs. I wouldn't want a house that size even in my wildest dreams. I'd settle for just a huge one.
Shirley Serious Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.05.09 16:41:00 - [35] Originally by: Domino Stuart it's something silly like a staff of 12000 or so. My friend, you are mistaken. According to this, it is 600 servants. Still enough servants that assassins can disguise themselves as one without being noticed quickly. You can see what it's going to look at here. Weird.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.09 16:48:00 - [36] If I had a house that size I'd so put a paintball course in it too. Not to mention a paintball gun armory. Hell I'd start a kids after school program and let em party at my place all the time. And think of the computer room! It'd put companies to shame. ____________________________________________ And yes I'll be gone soon.
Xue XinMao West Wind Waylanders	Posted - 2008.05.09 18:06:00 - [37] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich If I had a house that size I'd so put a paintball course in it too. Not to mention a paintball gun armory. Hell I'd start a kids after school program and let em party at my place all the time. And think of the computer room! It'd put companies to shame. Not to mention a paint ball tank, you just can't loose.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.09 18:12:00 - [38] Originally by: Xue XinMao Originally by: Micheal Dietrich If I had a house that size I'd so put a paintball course in it too. Not to mention a paintball gun armory. Hell I'd start a kids after school program and let em party at my place all the time. And think of the computer room! It'd put companies to shame. Not to mention a paint ball tank, you just can't loose. I'm already halfway there. Still have plans to build a shell on the bed with an open turret. ____________________________________________ And yes I'll be gone soon.
Wired An Eye For An Eye	Posted - 2008.05.09 19:17:00 - [39] As it appears he does have a sizeable wallet do you think he'd accept my offer of ú100 for his old place? It's not like he'll need to sell it at full market value. I was looking for somewhere that 23 story's but i guess i could squeeze into a 22 story building. ============================================= My sig got edited, and all i got was a lousy e-mail
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.05.09 19:24:00 - [40] One or both of his two brains are really small. These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Blind Man Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.05.09 22:14:00 - [41] Originally by: Arvald id by thousands of game time codes and sell them all for free, screwing over a lot of people fixed
Lrd Byron	Posted - 2008.05.16 05:33:00 - [42] Originally by: Natsume Chidori The cost of that home could feed over 500,000 people in the US for a year. The money didn't just vaporize after he paid for it. In fact, I'd bet most of that money at the end of the day did in fact go towards feeding american families.
Soulja Caldari THEM. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.16 16:47:00 - [43] Originally by: Ravelin Eb Id buy 10,000 baby incubators, then blow them all up. You are sick in the head. I wasn't going to reply to your comment but it upset me that much I couldn't resist it. My wife gave birth to my son on the 12th of May 44 hours later he died. We are now sorting out the details of his funeral. If I had that guys money, id give it all to the one person that could bring my little boy back. Can i only suggest that you seek help. and god forbid should what has happened to my family happen to you.
Kusha'an Gallente Equinox Industrial Co.	Posted - 2008.05.16 17:33:00 - [44] Originally by: Soulja Originally by: Ravelin Eb Id buy 10,000 baby incubators, then blow them all up. You are sick in the head. I wasn't going to reply to your comment but it upset me that much I couldn't resist it. My wife gave birth to my son on the 12th of May 44 hours later he died. We are now sorting out the details of his funeral. If I had that guys money, id give it all to the one person that could bring my little boy back. Can i only suggest that you seek help. and god forbid should what has happened to my family happen to you. +1 ---- What part of "shorn't" do you not understand?
Grarr Dexx Amarr Naval Protection Corp Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.05.16 18:38:00 - [45] guess he got lucky in the bpo lottery
Jayna Keria Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.16 18:45:00 - [46] His money he can do what he wants with it. As people have said this building is actually funding the economy. Heck he has probably given more to charity than I have (having only ever bought two big issues and thrown 1p change/10p change into charity boxes.
Mtthias Clemi Gallente The Space Bastards	Posted - 2008.05.16 21:06:00 - [47] I cant believe i didn't think of that island/questionable research idea... ITS THE PERFECT PLAN.
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.05.16 21:12:00 - [48] Jee talk about excess. I bet that man will live in that place for his entire lifetime, and probably never use/step foot in half of the floorspace. It's hard to believe how much excess that is, to the point of absurdity - my best guess is that he has a ton of kids and his entire family tree is going to live there with him. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu, the
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.05.17 09:55:00 - [49] Originally by: Amastat ...my best guess is that he has a ton of kids and his entire family tree is going to live there with him. He has three daughters plus his wife and him to live there. As for this somehow being ok because he is funding the economy with his house is crap. Sure, he is paying people to build it and maintain it and whatnot. But by that measure anything anyone ever does funds the economy. Buying drugs funds the economy. Leaving his money in a bank and doing nothing with it funds the economy (bank can loan his money out and pay people to work at the bank). But when it comes to best uses for your money this fails miserably. As noted somewhere above he could build tens of thousands of homes for the poor (of which there are plenty in his country). You'd have the economic activity of building tens of thousands of homes. Those people might then sponge off the government less with their own homes freeing up tax money to do other things (build roads, schools, etc.). The knock on effects would be much more dramatic. While he probably already does give more than any of us will see in a lifetime there is rich and absurdly rich. Again...if eh gave away half his money and never made another dime he would still be insanely rich and able to spend over a million dollars a day for the rest of his life. Really think about that...short of giving it away it would be very, very difficult to spend 1+ million a day, every day, for 50 years. -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.05.17 10:14:00 - [50] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Is there nothing better that guy could do with that money and still have a spectacular home? How many workmen are employed, how many architects, designers, engineers, how many greased palms of city officials to zone that thing, how much furniture, how much raw material, property taxes, chauffers, butlers, cleaning ladies, bodyguards. All the luxuries which the wealthy lavish themselves with are paying for other people's salaries, goods, and services. This is a good thing not a bad thing. Giving money away to charity and the poor is the real waste. The poor are poor for a reason. You feed them today they will be hungry again tommorrow. It's a self-perpetuating problem which "charity" organizations profit from. Charity organizations NEED people to be poor in order to stay in business and keep paying themselves. Instead the answer is creating projects which employ people, so that the poor can work and feed themselves, this cuts charity groups out of the picture and decreases the problem rather than perpetuating it.
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.05.17 10:18:00 - [51] Originally by: Domino Stuart it's something silly like a staff of 12000 or so, madness. How do you go about recruiting housemaids and cooks except by having a whole damn personnel division? Seriously, there's living in luxury and then taking it too far. That's not a house, that's a business. Too much effort expended for no point. Maybe the point is to help people out of the gutter by employing them. I've heard some businessmen say that they partly like running a business because they get to help their community by employing people.
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction Clown Punchers Syndicate	Posted - 2008.05.17 11:49:00 - [52] So what? India has had its fair share of palaces built, you know. One day it will be a public museum or a picnic spot like the castles of Europe. EVE CCG Trinity Booster
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.05.17 12:00:00 - [53] Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 17/05/2008 12:01:29 Originally by: Cipher7 Giving money away to charity and the poor is the real waste. The poor are poor for a reason. You feed them today they will be hungry again tommorrow. It's a self-perpetuating problem which "charity" organizations profit from. Charity organizations NEED people to be poor in order to stay in business and keep paying themselves. The old saw, "Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime." You are partly correct. Some charities are self serving and do little to really help the poor and helps the charity itself more than anything else. My mother and one of my bothers run non-profit organizations (although neither would be called a charity exactly) and I have heard them talk at length about this. Most decent charities should be willing to provide you with numbers on what percentage of donations reach those they serve versus how much they suck up. Of course 100% never makes it to those they are helping...the charity needs to pay the electric bills like everyone else. But the good ones minimize that and should be less than 30%(ish) for their own use. You also are not distinguishing among charities and what they do. Not all are about handouts which, I agree, is not a very good means of help (although it can be necessary as part of an overall strategy). There are plenty of charities that focus on things like education or teaching skills or basic health care or most anything you can think of. And apart from handing money to a charity someone like this guy could do other things. Build a road to a poor village. Bring electric to it or phones. Dig new wells. Provide farm equipment to get them past subsistence farming. Stuff like that...lots to choose from. And to your second post I did say 12,000 people somewhere in here were staff for that house but I read elsewhere it is actually 600. Still a lot of people but a correction that needed to be made. -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
Bob Stuart Federation Fleet	Posted - 2008.05.17 15:02:00 - [54] Originally by: Cipher7 I've heard some businessmen say that they partly like running a business because they get to help their community by employing people. The man already runs a large business, so he could do that there. Having your house require similar levels of your time and effort to run doesn't seem right. Your house is where you go to relax and do stuff. The most interesting thing to me is that according to Wiki (so it may not be true at all) was that he obtained the land to build this house from a religious landowner after promising to build an orphanage on the land. Somehow, this does not look like an orphanage...
Raymond Sterns Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.05.17 16:39:00 - [55] Originally by: Cipher7 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Is there nothing better that guy could do with that money and still have a spectacular home? How many workmen are employed, how many architects, designers, engineers, how many greased palms of city officials to zone that thing, how much furniture, how much raw material, property taxes, chauffers, butlers, cleaning ladies, bodyguards. All the luxuries which the wealthy lavish themselves with are paying for other people's salaries, goods, and services. This is a good thing not a bad thing. How many of those people are locals? How many of those people actually live there? How many of those people actually buy stuff there instead of having it imported from somewhere else? Exactly. _
Daedalus DuGalle Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2008.05.17 17:09:00 - [56] Originally by: Mtthias Clemi I cant believe i didn't think of that island/questionable research idea... ITS THE PERFECT PLAN. Naturally I'd issue standing orders to shoot anybody wearing a red Hawaiian T-shirt. - What good is money if it can't inspire terror in your fellow man?
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.05.17 19:18:00 - [57] It's true , he did the right thing. What's the point in sharing your absurd wealth with starving countrymen when you can use it to build a fancy oversized house with hundreds of people slaving away to satisfy your every whim ? It is very important to keep low wages employees busy , if you give poor people a decent house and better living conditions but no exhausting , stressful job to go along with it , they're going to feel useless - that's just cruel. This person earned his money , and therefore the right to have hundreds of people serving him and maintaining this monument to his vanity. After all , not everyone has the strength and willpower required to inherit money from a rich family , and use it to exploit your country's natural resources for your personal gain. Thus , any criticism of his decisions must come from petty jealousy.
Frezik Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment	Posted - 2008.05.17 19:38:00 - [58] Originally by: Natsume Chidori The cost of that home could feed over 500,000 people in the US for a year. The cost of that home, if given to the poor instead, would drive up inflation. Within a month, those poor people would be right back where they started. While there is a whole continuum of options between full capitalism and full communism, such a straightforward plan of wealth redistribution is impractical. It's not like that money just disappeared. Likewise, wealth is not a fixed quantity as the mercantilists thought. Between digging up the raw materials, processing them, and assembling them into a house, this guy kept a lot of people from being a dredge on the street.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.05.18 03:48:00 - [59] Originally by: Stakhanov It's true , he did the right thing. What's the point in sharing your absurd wealth with starving countrymen when you can use it to build a fancy oversized house with hundreds of people slaving away to satisfy your every whim ? It is very important to keep low wages employees busy , if you give poor people a decent house and better living conditions but no exhausting , stressful job to go along with it , they're going to feel useless - that's just cruel. This person earned his money , and therefore the right to have hundreds of people serving him and maintaining this monument to his vanity. After all , not everyone has the strength and willpower required to inherit money from a rich family , and use it to exploit your country's natural resources for your personal gain. Thus , any criticism of his decisions must come from petty jealousy. ^^ Well said. -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.05.18 03:53:00 - [60] Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 18/05/2008 03:54:35 Originally by: Frezik Originally by: Natsume Chidori The cost of that home could feed over 500,000 people in the US for a year. The cost of that home, if given to the poor instead, would drive up inflation. Within a month, those poor people would be right back where they started. While there is a whole continuum of options between full capitalism and full communism, such a straightforward plan of wealth redistribution is impractical. It's not like that money just disappeared. Likewise, wealth is not a fixed quantity as the mercantilists thought. Between digging up the raw materials, processing them, and assembling them into a house, this guy kept a lot of people from being a dredge on the street. Why do you think the only alternative is handing people cash? I agree if you just plopped a few thousand into a poor person's hands it'd be ****ed away to no useful effect (for the most part). But instead of providing this economic benefit by paying to build a 27-story home he could do the same to build 100,000 houses. Same production...500,000 people housed instead of 5. -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"

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