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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.05.08 20:47:00 -
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I mean jeebus...a 27 story, 4,000,000 square foot, $2 billion home.
I do not begrudge the wealthy their toys but c'mon. He has a wife and three kids. Isn't this a bit much? Is there nothing better that guy could do with that money and still have a spectacular home?
I don't even want to think of the carbon footprint those four are racking up for that and I'm not even a tree hugger.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Cynical Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.08 20:55:00 -
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I hope to hell that comes with a complementary map to the nearest restroom....
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Natsume Chidori
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Posted - 2008.05.08 21:02:00 -
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The cost of that home could feed over 500,000 people in the US for a year.
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Doctor Fruitloop
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Posted - 2008.05.08 21:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Natsume Chidori
The cost of that home could feed over 500,000 people in the US for a year.
One say Americans will live the dream like the Indians....
Originally by: Seifer Al'Masy
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Roxanna Kell
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.05.08 21:30:00 -
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If he earned it, its his, quit ya *****ing, Carbon footprint, i mean come on on, quit being a hippy.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.05.08 21:54:00 -
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To put this in perspective this man's house is equivalent in size to:
- ~70 American Football fields
- ~50 European Football (soccer) fields (used an average for field size)
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Mitch Manus
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.08 22:00:00 -
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Everyone who is going to whine about it is simply jealous. I know i am 
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Cosy
Gallente
Porandor
Imperium Aeternum
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Posted - 2008.05.08 22:06:00 -
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a nice place to play airsoft / paintball
someone hire google to map that
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Kyanzes
Amarr
Utopian Research I.E.L.
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.05.08 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: Kyanzes on 08/05/2008 22:19:40
Elvin Atombender lives after all.
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Nerogk Shorn
Caldari
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.05.08 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanna Kell
If he earned it, its his, quit ya *****ing, Carbon footprint, i mean come on on, quit being a hippy.
Quit being an ignorant noob.
Sorry to be so blunt.
Well, I guess since he is the richest person in India, maybe it isn't that much % of his wealth. I wonder how much he gives to his country to make it better. aka Charity. Still, that is ridiculous.
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.05.08 22:56:00 -
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It just doesn't seem sensible. If I were rich, I'd want to be as lazy as possible. That means not having to walk ten miles to get out the front door. I'd definitely also need some form of automated transportation within the building. It'd have to be fast because I don't like to waste time. Maybe a monorail or something? Something with a built in toilet would be great. I could **** as I traveled about the house. I will only judge this man if he doesn't have monorail toilet.
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Domino Stuart
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Posted - 2008.05.08 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
It just doesn't seem sensible. If I were rich, I'd want to be as lazy as possible. That means not having to walk ten miles to get out the front door. I'd definitely also need some form of automated transportation within the building. It'd have to be fast because I don't like to waste time. Maybe a monorail or something? Something with a built in toilet would be great. I could **** as I traveled about the house. I will only judge this man if he doesn't have monorail toilet.
if it's a skyscraper, it'll have elevators. hmm, how would you fit a toilet to a elevator?
6 floors of carparks on the bottom, it looks like.
I think i've heard of this somewhere before, it's something silly like a staff of 12000 or so, madness. How do you go about recruiting housemaids and cooks except by having a whole damn personnel division? Seriously, there's living in luxury and then taking it too far.
That's not a house, that's a business. Too much effort expended for no point.
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Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
The Space Bastards
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Posted - 2008.05.08 23:12:00 -
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I WANT IT
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.05.08 23:50:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 08/05/2008 23:52:01
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
If he earned it, its his, quit ya *****ing, Carbon footprint, i mean come on on, quit being a hippy.
I agree it is his money to do with as he pleases but at some point absurdity just takes over. I know what my monthly utility bills are for electric and gas and it bowls me over to think what it would take to air condition a building like that in an Indian summer...for four people.
More comparisons:
- Istana Nurul Iman (world's current largest residence and palace, for the King of Brunei) is 2.15 million square feet. It has: "1,788 rooms, 257 bathrooms, and a floor area of 2,152,782 square feet (200,000 m¦). Amenities include 5 swimming pools, and an air conditioned stable for the Sultan's 200 polo ponies, a 110-car garage, a banquet hall that can be expanded to accommodate up to 4,000 guests, and a mosque accommodating 1,500 people. The palace was built in 1984 at a cost of around $1.4 billion USD and has 564 chandeliers, 51,000 light bulbs, 44 stairwells, and 18 elevators. It is also a home to a car collection that includes custom-made Ferraris and Bentleys as well as 165 Rolls Royces. Its golden domes, designed by Filipino architect Leandro V. Locsin, and vaulted roofs echo Islamic and Malay architectural influences." (cite)
This house in India is about twice as big.
More palaces for perspective:
- Buckingham Palace: 828,818 square feet (roughly 5x smaller)
- Royal Palace of Madrid: 1,453,122 square feet (largest European palace, a little less than 3x smaller)
- The Palace of Versailles: 551,218 square feet (7x smaller)
- The Forbidden City (all of it including 800 buildings AND open courtyards/spaces which are considerable): 7,750,000 square feet (about 2x bigger than the Indian house)
I've been most of those places listed above (except Brunei and China) and was wowed by their size and wondered who could use such things. This trumps all of those.
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Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L.
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.05.08 23:52:00 -
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Edited by: Raymond Sterns on 08/05/2008 23:55:10
I'd burn it down in front of him just so I could see the look on his greasy, greedy, fat face.
One thing is earning your money, another is wasting it on absurd luxiries you don't need while those in your country die of hunger.
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.
Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2008.05.09 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: Natsume Chidori
The cost of that home could feed over 500,000 people in the US for a year.
On the bright side, he actually spends his money, which means it can make it's way to those 500,000 people - Most other rich boys hoard it, rather than putting it back into the economy.
I;d rather have a spoilt rich guy spending his money like no tomorrow than someone being exceptionally greedy and letting his money rot in the bank.
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Gojyu
Ever Flow
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Posted - 2008.05.09 04:00:00 -
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I have to wonder what % of their annual income the people complaining in this thread give to charity. I'd also think that the people complaining on this thread would be a little more humble, given that a child dies every 2 months because they decide to play a computer game instead of sponsoring a child. How many deaths are on your hands because you want to pretend to be a spaceship pilot?
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.05.09 04:21:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 09/05/2008 04:21:19
Originally by: Gojyu
I have to wonder what % of their annual income the people complaining in this thread give to charity. I'd also think that the people complaining on this thread would be a little more humble, given that a child dies every 2 months because they decide to play a computer game instead of sponsoring a child. How many deaths are on your hands because you want to pretend to be a spaceship pilot?
I do not think anyone is saying people should forego all their luxuries they work for. But there are luxuries and then there is this. It is obnoxious. A skyscraper to house five people? C'mon...
And doing strict percentages does not really provide a fair comparison. If I gave 50% of my income to charity I'd be unable to pay my bills. If he gave away 50% of his worth he'd still have $21.5 billion left. In no way, shape or form could he notice the difference.
I am not sure people ever really grasp just how big a number that is. If he never made another dime he could spend over $1.1 million per day for the next 50 years before he ran out of money. Short of giving it away it is almost impossible to imagine how anyone could do that...you'd run out of things to buy.
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Arvald
Caldari
The School 0f Fine Arts
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Posted - 2008.05.09 04:49:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 09/05/2008 04:21:19
Originally by: Gojyu
I have to wonder what % of their annual income the people complaining in this thread give to charity. I'd also think that the people complaining on this thread would be a little more humble, given that a child dies every 2 months because they decide to play a computer game instead of sponsoring a child. How many deaths are on your hands because you want to pretend to be a spaceship pilot?
I do not think anyone is saying people should forego all their luxuries they work for. But there are luxuries and then there is this. It is obnoxious. A skyscraper to house five people? C'mon...
And doing strict percentages does not really provide a fair comparison. If I gave 50% of my income to charity I'd be unable to pay my bills. If he gave away 50% of his worth he'd still have $21.5 billion left. In no way, shape or form could he notice the difference.
I am not sure people ever really grasp just how big a number that is. If he never made another dime he could spend over $1.1 million per day for the next 50 years before he ran out of money. Short of giving it away it is almost impossible to imagine how anyone could do that...you'd run out of things to buy.
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PAK
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Posted - 2008.05.09 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: Cosy
a nice place to play airsoft / paintball
By the sounds of it you could get a full blown game on and they probably wouldn't notice for a week or two.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.05.09 05:35:00 -
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this house is 1mil sqft short of being 2x the size of the Mall of America. that house better have a kickass Foodcourt!
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F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Valainaloce
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Posted - 2008.05.09 08:40:00 -
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It may be a home for 5, but if some of the staff of 12,000 live there, and I'd assume many would, then it's not quite as bad as it sounds. Also he just introduced 12,000 jobs into the local economy, which is always a welcome addition, not to mention all the money and jobs from building it.
Yes, it's ridiculously extravagant, but he could have done what so many others do and lived somewhere more common, like Europe or Dubai, and screwed over thousands of countrymen.
And just think, he'll spend more on utilities per year than most of us make in several (dozen).
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F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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Roxanna Kell
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.05.09 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Nerogk Shorn
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
If he earned it, its his, quit ya *****ing, Carbon footprint, i mean come on on, quit being a hippy.
Quit being an ignorant noob.
Sorry to be so blunt.
Well, I guess since he is the richest person in India, maybe it isn't that much % of his wealth. I wonder how much he gives to his country to make it better. aka Charity. Still, that is ridiculous.
oh stfu, seriously, I am not being ignorant. How many people you give spare change to on your way to work? how much percentage of your money do you give away, I am sure like all rich people this guy would be giving money to charity just to progress in the social field of things, didn't bill gates?
Life Starts with you wanting a bike at some point, than a gf later, than a car, a house a wife maybe and kids, than a bigger house, a faster car , your own plane.
If life in his twenties all ready had all those, he is gonna want bigger and better, its our nature and our curse as humans. At the end, the feeling of a little boy in poor rural china getting a bike for his birthday, could be greater than this old man getting a space shuttle to travel to mars if its in his dreams, just because he is used to getting what he wants.
Whining about how people spend their money is just unethical, Even if its drugs money, you wanna *****, go back to the point to how he makes his money, if its illegal or unethical, than you whine there and there. sides you re not from India, so quit getting your nose in external affairs when your country isn't perfect.
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Daedalus DuGalle
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.05.09 09:09:00 -
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Stop telling him to give his money away. India has 1.1billion people (according to google). If he was to give that 2bil away, that's what, a little under $2 a person.
Yay.
Or, give his whole fortune away. That's $39 a person.
Yay.
Spend it like a man. Hell, if I had the money I'd buy a small Island, hire some mercs and engage in questionable scientific research. But that's just me.
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jason hill
Caldari
Nightmare Holdings
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Posted - 2008.05.09 09:31:00 -
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If I had his money..... i would be down the pub right now 
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Daedalus DuGalle
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.05.09 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: jason hill
If I had his money..... i would be down the pub right now
And I'll be right behind you to sell you a black market liver for 43billion.
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Roxanna Kell
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.05.09 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: jason hill
If I had his money..... i would be down the pub right now
You ll have a pub in the house noob. you really don't know how to spend.
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Elphy
Minmatar
Warp badgers with guns
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Posted - 2008.05.09 11:16:00 -
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Hell I could make one bigger if I had the go track, full sized gaming tables, arcade, air hockey, table football, bowling alley, firing range, dodgems, rollercoaster built inside it. Of course not forgetting the missle silos and 1:1 scale model of a Raven.
Hell just make the house look like a Raven with the door having a tractor beam glow and sound effect when it sees people running up it and buttons that play loud missle launch and explosion sounds at the press of a button. Make all the electric carts for doing the garden and going over the golf course look like drones as well.
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Ravelin Eb
Spartan Industries
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.09 11:56:00 -
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One Ton Banana
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Posted - 2008.05.09 13:08:00 -
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I've just completed a master plan for the Durrat Al-Bahrain development and while larger and more costly there isn't a singular building that can match that level of ostentatious nonsense.
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Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L.
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.05.09 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog
It may be a home for 5, but if some of the staff of 12,000 live there, and I'd assume many would, then it's not quite as bad as it sounds. Also he just introduced 12,000 jobs into the local economy, which is always a welcome addition, not to mention all the money and jobs from building it.
Yes, it's ridiculously extravagant, but he could have done what so many others do and lived somewhere more common, like Europe or Dubai, and screwed over thousands of countrymen.
And just think, he'll spend more on utilities per year than most of us make in several (dozen).
Yes, because he'd want 12000 people who starve beneath him to come up and clean his house.
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Kusha'an
Gallente
Equinox Industrial Co.
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Posted - 2008.05.09 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Daedalus DuGalle
Stop telling him to give his money away. India has 1.1billion people (according to google). If he was to give that 2bil away, that's what, a little under $2 a person.
Yay.
Or, give his whole fortune away. That's $39 a person.
Yay.
Spend it like a man. Hell, if I had the money I'd buy a small Island, hire some mercs and engage in questionable scientific research. But that's just me.
THIS.
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Kusha'an
Gallente
Equinox Industrial Co.
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Posted - 2008.05.09 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Raymond Sterns
Edited by: Raymond Sterns on 08/05/2008 23:55:10
I'd burn it down in front of him just so I could see the look on his greasy, greedy, fat face.
One thing is earning your money, another is wasting it on absurd luxiries you don't need while those in your country die of hunger.
Wow.
Here's something you need.
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Posted - 2008.05.09 16:29:00 -
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Honestly? Good for him.
He just pumped 2 billion dollars into the economy. He also just created 12.000 jobs.
I wouldn't want a house that size even in my wildest dreams. I'd settle for just a huge one.
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Shirley Serious
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.09 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Domino Stuart
it's something silly like a staff of 12000 or so.
My friend, you are mistaken. According to this, it is 600 servants.
Still enough servants that assassins can disguise themselves as one without being noticed quickly.
You can see what it's going to look at here. Weird.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Cynical Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.09 16:48:00 -
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If I had a house that size I'd so put a paintball course in it too. Not to mention a paintball gun armory. Hell I'd start a kids after school program and let em party at my place all the time.
And think of the computer room! It'd put companies to shame.
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Xue XinMao
West Wind Waylanders
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Posted - 2008.05.09 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
If I had a house that size I'd so put a paintball course in it too. Not to mention a paintball gun armory. Hell I'd start a kids after school program and let em party at my place all the time.
And think of the computer room! It'd put companies to shame.
Not to mention a paint ball tank, you just can't loose.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Cynical Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.09 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Xue XinMao
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
If I had a house that size I'd so put a paintball course in it too. Not to mention a paintball gun armory. Hell I'd start a kids after school program and let em party at my place all the time.
And think of the computer room! It'd put companies to shame.
Not to mention a paint ball tank, you just can't loose.
I'm already halfway there. Still have plans to build a shell on the bed with an open turret.
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An Eye For An Eye
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Posted - 2008.05.09 19:17:00 -
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As it appears he does have a sizeable wallet do you think he'd accept my offer of ú100 for his old place? It's not like he'll need to sell it at full market value.
I was looking for somewhere that 23 story's but i guess i could squeeze into a 22 story building.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.05.09 19:24:00 -
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One or both of his two brains are really small.
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Blind Man
Cosmic Fusion
When Fat Kids Attack
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Posted - 2008.05.09 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald
id by thousands of game time codes and sell them all for free, screwing over a lot of people
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Lrd Byron
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Posted - 2008.05.16 05:33:00 -
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Originally by: Natsume Chidori
The cost of that home could feed over 500,000 people in the US for a year.
The money didn't just vaporize after he paid for it. In fact, I'd bet most of that money at the end of the day did in fact go towards feeding american families.
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Soulja
Caldari
THEM.
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.16 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ravelin Eb
Id buy 10,000 baby incubators, then blow them all up.
You are sick in the head.
I wasn't going to reply to your comment but it upset me that much I couldn't resist it.
My wife gave birth to my son on the 12th of May 44 hours later he died. We are now sorting out the details of his funeral.
If I had that guys money, id give it all to the one person that could bring my little boy back.
Can i only suggest that you seek help. and god forbid should what has happened to my family happen to you.
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Kusha'an
Gallente
Equinox Industrial Co.
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Posted - 2008.05.16 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Soulja
Originally by: Ravelin Eb
Id buy 10,000 baby incubators, then blow them all up.
You are sick in the head.
I wasn't going to reply to your comment but it upset me that much I couldn't resist it.
My wife gave birth to my son on the 12th of May 44 hours later he died. We are now sorting out the details of his funeral.
If I had that guys money, id give it all to the one person that could bring my little boy back.
Can i only suggest that you seek help. and god forbid should what has happened to my family happen to you.
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Naval Protection Corp
Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.05.16 18:38:00 -
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guess he got lucky in the bpo lottery
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Jayna Keria
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.05.16 18:45:00 -
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His money he can do what he wants with it.
As people have said this building is actually funding the economy.
Heck he has probably given more to charity than I have (having only ever bought two big issues and thrown 1p change/10p change into charity boxes.
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Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
The Space Bastards
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Posted - 2008.05.16 21:06:00 -
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I cant believe i didn't think of that island/questionable research idea... ITS THE PERFECT PLAN.
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Amastat
Caldari
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.05.16 21:12:00 -
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Jee talk about excess. I bet that man will live in that place for his entire lifetime, and probably never use/step foot in half of the floorspace.
It's hard to believe how much excess that is, to the point of absurdity - my best guess is that he has a ton of kids and his entire family tree is going to live there with him.
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Posted - 2008.05.17 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Amastat
...my best guess is that he has a ton of kids and his entire family tree is going to live there with him.
He has three daughters plus his wife and him to live there.
As for this somehow being ok because he is funding the economy with his house is crap. Sure, he is paying people to build it and maintain it and whatnot. But by that measure anything anyone ever does funds the economy. Buying drugs funds the economy. Leaving his money in a bank and doing nothing with it funds the economy (bank can loan his money out and pay people to work at the bank).
But when it comes to best uses for your money this fails miserably. As noted somewhere above he could build tens of thousands of homes for the poor (of which there are plenty in his country). You'd have the economic activity of building tens of thousands of homes. Those people might then sponge off the government less with their own homes freeing up tax money to do other things (build roads, schools, etc.). The knock on effects would be much more dramatic.
While he probably already does give more than any of us will see in a lifetime there is rich and absurdly rich. Again...if eh gave away half his money and never made another dime he would still be insanely rich and able to spend over a million dollars a day for the rest of his life. Really think about that...short of giving it away it would be very, very difficult to spend 1+ million a day, every day, for 50 years.
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Cipher7
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.05.17 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Is there nothing better that guy could do with that money and still have a spectacular home?
How many workmen are employed, how many architects, designers, engineers, how many greased palms of city officials to zone that thing, how much furniture, how much raw material, property taxes, chauffers, butlers, cleaning ladies, bodyguards.
All the luxuries which the wealthy lavish themselves with are paying for other people's salaries, goods, and services.
This is a good thing not a bad thing.
Giving money away to charity and the poor is the real waste. The poor are poor for a reason. You feed them today they will be hungry again tommorrow. It's a self-perpetuating problem which "charity" organizations profit from.
Charity organizations NEED people to be poor in order to stay in business and keep paying themselves.
Instead the answer is creating projects which employ people, so that the poor can work and feed themselves, this cuts charity groups out of the picture and decreases the problem rather than perpetuating it.
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Cipher7
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.05.17 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Domino Stuart
it's something silly like a staff of 12000 or so, madness. How do you go about recruiting housemaids and cooks except by having a whole damn personnel division? Seriously, there's living in luxury and then taking it too far.
That's not a house, that's a business. Too much effort expended for no point.
Maybe the point is to help people out of the gutter by employing them.
I've heard some businessmen say that they partly like running a business because they get to help their community by employing people.
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
Clown Punchers Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.05.17 11:49:00 -
[52]
So what?
India has had its fair share of palaces built, you know.
One day it will be a public museum or a picnic spot like the castles of Europe.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.05.17 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 17/05/2008 12:01:29
Originally by: Cipher7
Giving money away to charity and the poor is the real waste. The poor are poor for a reason. You feed them today they will be hungry again tommorrow. It's a self-perpetuating problem which "charity" organizations profit from.
Charity organizations NEED people to be poor in order to stay in business and keep paying themselves.
The old saw, "Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime."
You are partly correct. Some charities are self serving and do little to really help the poor and helps the charity itself more than anything else. My mother and one of my bothers run non-profit organizations (although neither would be called a charity exactly) and I have heard them talk at length about this. Most decent charities should be willing to provide you with numbers on what percentage of donations reach those they serve versus how much they suck up. Of course 100% never makes it to those they are helping...the charity needs to pay the electric bills like everyone else. But the good ones minimize that and should be less than 30%(ish) for their own use.
You also are not distinguishing among charities and what they do. Not all are about handouts which, I agree, is not a very good means of help (although it can be necessary as part of an overall strategy). There are plenty of charities that focus on things like education or teaching skills or basic health care or most anything you can think of.
And apart from handing money to a charity someone like this guy could do other things. Build a road to a poor village. Bring electric to it or phones. Dig new wells. Provide farm equipment to get them past subsistence farming. Stuff like that...lots to choose from.
And to your second post I did say 12,000 people somewhere in here were staff for that house but I read elsewhere it is actually 600. Still a lot of people but a correction that needed to be made.
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Federation Fleet
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Posted - 2008.05.17 15:02:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Cipher7
I've heard some businessmen say that they partly like running a business because they get to help their community by employing people.
The man already runs a large business, so he could do that there.
Having your house require similar levels of your time and effort to run doesn't seem right. Your house is where you go to relax and do stuff.
The most interesting thing to me is that according to Wiki (so it may not be true at all) was that he obtained the land to build this house from a religious landowner after promising to build an orphanage on the land.
Somehow, this does not look like an orphanage...
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Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L.
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.05.17 16:39:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Cipher7
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Is there nothing better that guy could do with that money and still have a spectacular home?
How many workmen are employed, how many architects, designers, engineers, how many greased palms of city officials to zone that thing, how much furniture, how much raw material, property taxes, chauffers, butlers, cleaning ladies, bodyguards.
All the luxuries which the wealthy lavish themselves with are paying for other people's salaries, goods, and services.
This is a good thing not a bad thing.
How many of those people are locals? How many of those people actually live there? How many of those people actually buy stuff there instead of having it imported from somewhere else?
Exactly.
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Daedalus DuGalle
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.05.17 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Mtthias Clemi
I cant believe i didn't think of that island/questionable research idea... ITS THE PERFECT PLAN.
Naturally I'd issue standing orders to shoot anybody wearing a red Hawaiian T-shirt.
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Stakhanov
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.05.17 19:18:00 -
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It's true , he did the right thing. What's the point in sharing your absurd wealth with starving countrymen when you can use it to build a fancy oversized house with hundreds of people slaving away to satisfy your every whim ? It is very important to keep low wages employees busy , if you give poor people a decent house and better living conditions but no exhausting , stressful job to go along with it , they're going to feel useless - that's just cruel.
This person earned his money , and therefore the right to have hundreds of people serving him and maintaining this monument to his vanity. After all , not everyone has the strength and willpower required to inherit money from a rich family , and use it to exploit your country's natural resources for your personal gain. Thus , any criticism of his decisions must come from petty jealousy.
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Frezik
Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment
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Posted - 2008.05.17 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Natsume Chidori
The cost of that home could feed over 500,000 people in the US for a year.
The cost of that home, if given to the poor instead, would drive up inflation. Within a month, those poor people would be right back where they started. While there is a whole continuum of options between full capitalism and full communism, such a straightforward plan of wealth redistribution is impractical.
It's not like that money just disappeared. Likewise, wealth is not a fixed quantity as the mercantilists thought. Between digging up the raw materials, processing them, and assembling them into a house, this guy kept a lot of people from being a dredge on the street.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.05.18 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: Stakhanov
It's true , he did the right thing. What's the point in sharing your absurd wealth with starving countrymen when you can use it to build a fancy oversized house with hundreds of people slaving away to satisfy your every whim ? It is very important to keep low wages employees busy , if you give poor people a decent house and better living conditions but no exhausting , stressful job to go along with it , they're going to feel useless - that's just cruel.
This person earned his money , and therefore the right to have hundreds of people serving him and maintaining this monument to his vanity. After all , not everyone has the strength and willpower required to inherit money from a rich family , and use it to exploit your country's natural resources for your personal gain. Thus , any criticism of his decisions must come from petty jealousy.
^^ Well said.
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Posted - 2008.05.18 03:53:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 18/05/2008 03:54:35
Originally by: Frezik
Originally by: Natsume Chidori
The cost of that home could feed over 500,000 people in the US for a year.
The cost of that home, if given to the poor instead, would drive up inflation. Within a month, those poor people would be right back where they started. While there is a whole continuum of options between full capitalism and full communism, such a straightforward plan of wealth redistribution is impractical.
It's not like that money just disappeared. Likewise, wealth is not a fixed quantity as the mercantilists thought. Between digging up the raw materials, processing them, and assembling them into a house, this guy kept a lot of people from being a dredge on the street.
Why do you think the only alternative is handing people cash? I agree if you just plopped a few thousand into a poor person's hands it'd be ****ed away to no useful effect (for the most part).
But instead of providing this economic benefit by paying to build a 27-story home he could do the same to build 100,000 houses. Same production...500,000 people housed instead of 5.
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Frezik
Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment
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Posted - 2008.05.18 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Why do you think the only alternative is handing people cash?
That was the alternative being strongly implied by the specific post I was replying to.
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But instead of providing this economic benefit by paying to build a 27-story home he could do the same to build 100,000 houses. Same production...500,000 people housed instead of 5.
More likely, you get 100,000 empty houses. Few areas could sustain having that many extra units dumped onto the open market. In fact, for most of the United States right now, there are too many houses on the market already.
You can't just create a bunch of stuff hoping people will buy it. Having too big a surplus can be just as bad as having a shortage.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.05.18 07:52:00 -
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Originally by: Frezik
You can't just create a bunch of stuff hoping people will buy it. Having too big a surplus can be just as bad as having a shortage.
Fine. But the case some people are making is building a 27-story personal home is peachy because he hire people to build it.
My point is that is a colossal waste. Sure he provides some economic stimulus doing that but spending his money in any fashion would do the same (roughly). When considering the most good I think his new home is a spectacular case of conspicuous consumption.
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Keorythe
Caldari
Terra Rosa Militia
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.05.18 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
My point is that is a colossal waste. Sure he provides some economic stimulus doing that but spending his money in any fashion would do the same (roughly). When considering the most good I think his new home is a spectacular case of conspicuous consumption.
Judging someone based on how they decide to spend their personal money because it doesn't fit with your own best way to spend money is really asinine to the ultimate degree. Could he give handouts or feed the homeless? Sure! Should he? Well thats really up to him and to say that if he doesn't he's a bad person is just really lame.
If you can't donate $0.30 a day to charity that will feed some kid in who knows where then you really don't have much ground to stand on for that moral soap box. Its not even an ethical matter.
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Frezik
Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
My point is that is a colossal waste. Sure he provides some economic stimulus doing that but spending his money in any fashion would do the same (roughly). When considering the most good I think his new home is a spectacular case of conspicuous consumption.
As you say, it works out roughly the same. It's difficult to even quantify what the "most good" is. Under a communist system, society spends a lot of effort trying to figure out what the "most good" is, and they often end up getting it wrong anyway. In a capitalist system, people are allowed to buy anything they can afford. It can often be shown that the emergent behavior of the market results in a pretty efficient economy, so don't much with it without a specific reason.
The most important factor is that money is moving around. The only real "conspicuous consumption" is hoarding up money in gold or something equally worthless. Hoarding is the one place where the Broken Window Fallacy is no longer a fallacy.
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omen.
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Posted - 2008.05.18 18:31:00 -
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I would buy an island - have a big massive fence & guards around it to live in peace, with a aircraft carrier next to it to land my jets & drive cars on aswell as a means to drop friends on & off at the island.
Sounds like a cooler idea then what he is doin, of course I would build a pretty decent house on the island aswell =)
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.05.18 19:26:00 -
[66]
Perverse is the only word coming to mind.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
The Space Bastards
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Posted - 2008.05.18 19:36:00 -
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Edited by: Mtthias Clemi on 18/05/2008 19:36:44
Its his money and he can do whatever he likes with it.
If you dont think hes doing the right thing, become a multibillionaire and do something different.
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Stakhanov
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.05.18 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Keorythe
Its not even an ethical matter.
Yes it is.
There is a law in my country that holds people responsible for assisting a person in danger (life threatening condition) and punishes deliberate inaction - with jail time , it's seen as a serious offense.
This one oil magnate is shamelessly squandering billions while countless people die of hunger in his own country. He did nothing to prevent that , when he had the money to do so.
In my view , he is nothing more than a criminal. One of the many that no jurisdiction can prosecute , because of inadequate laws.
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Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
The Space Bastards
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Posted - 2008.05.18 20:35:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Stakhanov
Originally by: Keorythe
Its not even an ethical matter.
Yes it is.
There is a law in my country that holds people responsible for assisting a person in danger (life threatening condition) and punishes deliberate inaction - with jail time , it's seen as a serious offense.
This one oil magnate is shamelessly squandering billions while countless people die of hunger in his own country. He did nothing to prevent that , when he had the money to do so.
In my view , he is nothing more than a criminal. One of the many that no jurisdiction can prosecute , because of inadequate laws.
So you want a country were the rich are forced to give their money away?
Giving money to charity, especially billions, makes you a good person sure.. which im sure he has done previously.
But not giving money to charity because you spent it on something else doesn't make you a bad person surely.
He built a massive house for himself, employed a lot of staff to run it.. he intends to use it for corporate operations as well as for his family.
Dont judge the man on a single action please gentlemen, id like to think you have more brains than that.
Throwing money at social and economic problems does not fix them.
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Silsow
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Posted - 2008.05.18 20:55:00 -
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Why do others worry so much about money that is not theirs? Did the person building the 400k sq foot home steal the money? Is it being paid for by the government? If not any of the above two than why do any of you care? I sure as hell don't.
Now, if the owner of this new home wanted to make a fake documentary about how the rest of us have to go with less to combat the fake problem of man made global warming so that he can continue to live in his home with a 20k dollar a month electricity bill than I might care.
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