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Ami Hayashi
Did Not Read
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Posted - 2012.03.04 19:14:00 -
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tl;dr |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.04 21:29:00 -
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If he uses Isboxer, I don't see the problem. (9:06 PM) aaronkb@optonlin: all of your deeds wil be forgiven if u go on cam and pose nude for me-á |
CALUGARU
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.04 21:37:00 -
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lol if he told you hes making 100billion isk per day would you believe that too?
u jelleh |
Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
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Posted - 2012.03.04 23:09:00 -
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Angry Brother wrote:This needs to be addressed
Yes it does. Grab a couple blackbirds/falcons and some friends and go address it.
Oh wait you just going "waaa CCP someone is making more money than me because they are more creative/dedicated to the game/have money to run more and nicer computers than me waaa I am jealous"? Tell me something, is this how you approach politics too? Because I am fed up of living in your world and paying for your snivelling. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.04 23:18:00 -
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Angry Brother wrote:Electric Shoe is claiming he makes 15 billion from incursion with his own tengu fleet alts without any risk. This needs to be addressed as it is an example of the imbalance regarding risk/reward.
Then man up and do something about it. If you feel the risk vs. reward ratio lies to heavily in reward for this person, start suicide ganking him. Don't blame CCP when small minorities of players game the system. Its impossible to create a system that is entirely fool proof.
If you feel this situation is unfair, its your fault. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
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Posted - 2012.03.04 23:42:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Jalmari Huitsikko wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Yea... this is silly topic.
Incursion mechanics and rewards as themselves are issue which should (and has been) discussed specially now after botting has become harder again and interest towards alternative isk sources will increase. This has nothing to do with amount of accounts you're willing to play and fund though.
10 accounts cost 60 billion isk/year. 10 tengus another 10 billion and training time many billions more. If you're willing to invest that to be able to run incursions alone.... you have earned your right. And I am sorry sir but you should do a bit more research on this before posting. :D Shut up or you will only get vegetarian Pizza today!111
I like well-prepared vegetarian pizza, myself--and I'm not even a vegetarian:
Nuance and diversity of toppings, don't you know.
In irae, veritas. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
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Posted - 2012.03.04 23:49:00 -
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Nick Bison wrote:Looks to me it's the Tengu that needs toning down.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
NURTEHOPRIFTER!!!1111oneoeneone!!1
Oh, hey, waitaminnit...sorry 'bout that, all, wrong thread.
Carry on!
In irae, veritas. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
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Posted - 2012.03.04 23:54:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:MY OPINION IS BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSES BECAUSE I TYPE IN CAPSLOCK AND WITH POOR GRAMMAR!!!!!111
I think that's "GRAMMERS!!" actually.
You know, forum troll-spamming is serious business--far more so even than Internet Spaceships(TM), as difficult as that is to believe!--the forms and rules, they will be obeyed, or...well...errrm...
Yeah: You really don't want to even think about what will happen if they aren't.
Trust me, you just don't...
In irae, veritas. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
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Posted - 2012.03.05 00:03:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Tarikan wrote:oh look someone's got 10 toons.
i agree, incursion payouts in high-sec are on par with null-sec ratting if not better, for lower risk, but for someone having 10 more toons/alts to play with is no unheard of.
If someone has gotten the time and dedication to make money in this game called eve, then they'll do it. Nullsec must blow these days, c3's make more and plexing is on par with them (in hisec). I'm not sure. I've been trying high sec incursions and every 4 minutes I make 9m isk in bounties and 1200 lps. There is almost no risk involved and the rats pose no real challenge. The guy running 12 ships cannot be realistically doing it without some kind of third party help. It's just not practical otherwise, you'd be able to out contest him on every site he does. There is one tool which is pretty much designed for what he's doing.
X.
Gank-fit ArtyCane.
In irae, veritas. |
EnslaverOfMinmatar
BRAPELILLE MACRO BOT MINERS
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Posted - 2012.03.05 00:11:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:NEWSFLASH!
Incursions are not instance, you can amazingly KILL THE MOTHERSHIP (<-- OP didn't know that)
fixed Every EVE player must read this http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=29-01-07 or uninstall and DIAF |
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Electric Shoe
Dynamic Space Industries
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Posted - 2012.03.05 02:51:00 -
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Cool, my own thread, neato.
I'd love to see someone really commit to just headshotting every single hisec incursion for a month or two. That would really take care of the 'balance' issue. |
Fearless M0F0
Incursion PWNAGE Asc
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Posted - 2012.03.05 06:42:00 -
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What?, with no logis?
I don't think there is any chance for any ship, no matter how well tanked, to survive being primaried in a vanguard site long enough to get rid of the dps without logi support ... or is it?
Proof or it didn't happen |
CatreX Nolen
The Syndicate Inc Eternal Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.03.05 07:01:00 -
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THE RAGE IS STRONG WITH THIS ONE.
It's legit! |
Oliver Duncan
Kick B0rt Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.05 07:27:00 -
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MadMuppet wrote:I cloaked in to a few incursion sites once just to see what they were all about and a watched a bunch of Legions in a congo line eat up the site in a couple minutes and just warp to the next one. Most if not all where probably the same guy (that or their coordination is Blue Angels quality). If this guy has the skills, resources, and hardware to do it I can't really fault him. The speed at which he was cookie cutting these things was awesome from a play standpoint, but they do show that incursions are far too easy for someone(s) who can do this.
Coordinating in incursions is really easy. You anchor on one ship, and then shoot everything on field. It's unlikely that the group you saw was actually one player. As far as I know there are three people that run incursions by themselves and none of them fly Legions.
Why should incursions run that much differently from level 4 missions? No one complains about people running level 4 missions and then warping off and starting a new one.
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
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Posted - 2012.03.05 07:39:00 -
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Oliver Duncan wrote:MadMuppet wrote:I cloaked in to a few incursion sites once just to see what they were all about and a watched a bunch of Legions in a congo line eat up the site in a couple minutes and just warp to the next one. Most if not all where probably the same guy (that or their coordination is Blue Angels quality). If this guy has the skills, resources, and hardware to do it I can't really fault him. The speed at which he was cookie cutting these things was awesome from a play standpoint, but they do show that incursions are far too easy for someone(s) who can do this.
Coordinating in incursions is really easy. You anchor on one ship, and then shoot everything on field. It's unlikely that the group you saw was actually one player. As far as I know there are three people that run incursions by themselves and none of them fly Legions. Why should incursions run that much differently from level 4 missions? No one complains about people running level 4 missions and then warping off and starting a new one.
Because l4 missions aren't the completely out-of-whack ISK-faucet that's been driving the price of damned near everything into the stratosphere of late. In irae, veritas. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
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Posted - 2012.03.05 07:58:00 -
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Tengus...incursions...sigh.
Some people will never learn. |
Fearless M0F0
Incursion PWNAGE Asc
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Posted - 2012.03.05 08:34:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote: Because l4 missions aren't the completely out-of-whack ISK-faucet that's been driving the price of damned near everything into the stratosphere of late.
This argument has been beaten to death already thanks to the stats CCP Diagoras has been posting to his twitter account: In average, all incursion runners receive about twice as much isk as lvl 4 runners but only 1/3 of the isk received by bounties (ratting/plex).
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Angry Brother
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.05 09:13:00 -
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Mina Sebiestar wrote:Tengus...incursions...sigh.
Some people will never learn.
he makes 15 bil a day with tengus |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
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Posted - 2012.03.05 10:29:00 -
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Fearless M0F0 wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote: Because l4 missions aren't the completely out-of-whack ISK-faucet that's been driving the price of damned near everything into the stratosphere of late.
This argument has been beaten to death already thanks to the stats CCP Diagoras has been posting to his twitter account: In average, all incursion runners receive about twice as much isk as lvl 4 runners but only 1/3 of the isk received by bounties (ratting/plex).
Disingenuous, mate (please don't insult my intelligence, thank you):
That's an extra 30-odd percent of new ISK created that wasn't there prior to the Incursion-farming craze, with no new ISK-sinks created to keep that in balance, and no new ways to encourage the movement of this now-existing ISK between players, likewise (not many shinies getting urp-sploded in Incursions that I can see--x for suicide-gank fleet, people, I'm FC'ing this sumbeotch!).
The result is the inflations we've been seeing of late (it wasn't that long ago that a Dominix chassis cost ca. ISK 45-50mn, it's now around 70-ish, to name just one.)
Incursion income would be fine, if there existed sufficient ISK/resource-sinks to balance all this money being magick'ed up from thin air at next to no risk. In irae, veritas. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2012.03.05 10:42:00 -
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Patient 2428190 wrote:You realize this guy is CCP's ideal customer right?
Exactly.
So this is a thread about someone making a lot of ISK ingame with their very own fleet.
Next please.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
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Cain Blazed
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.05 11:21:00 -
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So we make some isk in highsec.. We are having fun, getting fleets, talking on comms. Having a great time, and then we have the likes of you, ridicoulusly jealus.. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
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Posted - 2012.03.05 11:41:00 -
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NullBears can get a 875,000,000 Mining Foreman Mindlink from a STORYLINE........and then say WE have it too easy in High. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2012.03.05 11:44:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:get rid of isk payouts replace with lp payouts only. IM TAKIN THIS TO THE CSM :D
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so3ke
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.05 14:15:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:NullBears can get a 875,000,000 Mining Foreman Mindlink from a STORYLINE........and then say WE have it too easy in High.
and why is it that expensive? no one in 0.0 mines remember? |
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
245
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Posted - 2012.03.05 14:20:00 -
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Congrats to the guy with his own fleet. He doesn't have to worry about much unless he has multiple personalities telling each other over comms to shut up. Stuff Goes here |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.03.05 14:44:00 -
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Tarikan wrote:oh look someone's got 10 toons.
i agree, incursion payouts in high-sec are on par with null-sec ratting if not better, for lower risk, but for someone having 10 more toons/alts to play with is no unheard of.
If someone has gotten the time and dedication to make money in this game called eve, then they'll do it.
On par?
Solo BS ratting barely pays what a good spread of level 4s do.....again if you get lucky.
Even a decent...not good, not shiny, just built correctly ....van fleet pulls 75mil an hour. You can make that in null, but you need a fully upgraded system and a carrier to do it.
Of course incursions don't have billion isk paydays from escalations, but you get the idea. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.03.05 16:41:00 -
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Angry Brother wrote:Electric Shoe is claiming he makes 15 billion day from incursion with his own tengu fleet alts without any risk. This needs to be addressed as it is an example of the imbalance regarding risk/reward.
here are his alts:
Tengu Tabby Tengu Talia Tengu Tasha Tengu Teagan Tengu Tequila Tengu Tex Tengu Tiffany Tengu Tomiko Tengu Tracy Tengu Trianna
Corporation: Dynamic Space Industries
I make a 100 billion a day i heard a friend of a friend of a friend makes 1 trillion isk a day!!! come on idiot a person can't 7 box & compete he'd lose to even non shiney fleets just ask chunker |
knobber Jobbler
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2012.03.05 16:53:00 -
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Cain Blazed wrote:So we make some isk in highsec.. We are having fun, getting fleets, talking on comms. Having a great time, and then we have the likes of you, ridicoulusly jealus..
What you need to understand is EVE is risk vs reward. You put something on the line and you get a reward for it. Currently its out of whack because incursions in high sec give the largest reward but no risk.
Its also completely monotonous and boring. Level 5 missions are actually more fun and there is more risk because they're all in low sec.
Tell yer what. Keep your high sec money but add mechanics to stop them being farmed repeatedly, make low and null incursions pay out more, add sleeper AI..oh and random visits to sites by the mother ship to blot out some of those 5b ISK faction battleships in one go.
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Minabunny
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.03.05 16:54:00 -
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Good for him. That many accounts he's welcome to it. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.03.05 16:55:00 -
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MadMuppet wrote:I cloaked in to a few incursion sites once just to see what they were all about and a watched a bunch of Legions in a congo line eat up the site in a couple minutes and just warp to the next one. Most if not all where probably the same guy (that or their coordination is Blue Angels quality). If this guy has the skills, resources, and hardware to do it I can't really fault him. The speed at which he was cookie cutting these things was awesome from a play standpoint, but they do show that incursions are far too easy for someone(s) who can do this.
In my opinion there is too much isk and too many materials stockpiled in the game, there will need to be a major upset in the market before anything changes that. CCP balancing that against frustrated players is the risk they need to deal with, a sudden drop in subscriptions is something they do not need.
Legion fleets are that precise...a 10 boxer can't keep up with them & will lose every time in competition. Its the NCO's that competely melt in thier presence. The legion fleet can't complete in an OTA versus a shield fleet though so that forces them to jump from system to system in search of NCO's slowing them down a bit |
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