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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
59
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Posted - 2012.03.05 16:58:00 -
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Angry Brother wrote:Mina Sebiestar wrote:Tengus...incursions...sigh.
Some people will never learn. he makes 15 bil a day with tengus 
I heard he makes 20 billion a day even though I never see him in the top ten lists |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
251
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Posted - 2012.03.05 17:10:00 -
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Mr LaForge wrote:Congrats to the guy with his own fleet. He doesn't have to worry about much unless he has multiple personalities telling each other over comms to shut up.
That shouldn't necessarily be a problem, either, though.
I find that the voices in my head make for far better convo than real people in the vast majority of cases.
But then, I'm INTJ--we're...different. (And we will rule you, one day, you just don't know it yet.)
In irae, veritas. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
251
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Posted - 2012.03.05 17:26:00 -
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Cain Blazed wrote:So we make some isk in highsec.. We are having fun, getting fleets, talking on comms. Having a great time, and then we have the likes of you, ridicoulusly jealus..
It's jealous, not "jealus." Don't butcher the English language if you expect to be taken seriously.
Not that this could be, even if it reached the most scintillating apex of pulchritudinous erudition!
(^^That's irony, type: self-deprecative-reversal-as-mockery--a sense of humour helps as well!)
Because it simply isn't true: See, some of us understand that there is more to EVE than grinding ISK, but we also see that all this mindless ISK-grinding at next to no risk, with no commensurate ISK-sinks leads to inflation, which hurts everyone in the near-term, but especially hurts newer/younger players, which also hurts everyone--not least of all CCP--in the medium/longer term.
Unless any of your elitist carebear boys' clubs are picking up newbies for you ub3r1337 bling-barge fleets?
Not that I've seen, at least anytime recently.
You lot need to get over yourselves, and expand your worm's-eye-view of our little virtua-verse...It will do everyone a lot of good, and you might find other aspects of same that you like, too.
In irae, veritas. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
485
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Posted - 2012.03.05 19:52:00 -
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I still fail to see what is wrong with him using Isboxer and playing the game it allows him to do. I commend him for training all those characters. At least he isn't botting so he's already got at least 50 billion worth of characters that are legitimately transferable.
(9:06 PM) aaronkb@optonlin: all of your deeds wil be forgiven if u go on cam and pose nude for me-á |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
71
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Posted - 2012.03.05 22:35:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:NullBears can get a 875,000,000 Mining Foreman Mindlink from a STORYLINE........and then say WE have it too easy in High. 
Of course the odds of getting that particular mission and that particular award from it are so astronomical that the idiocy of your post has a better chance of becoming a sentient life form that triggers a new big bang seeding a new universe made entirely of Jello Pudding. |
SpaceSquirrels
266
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Posted - 2012.03.06 00:17:00 -
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I honestly both pity and respect the man for being able to run 10 accounts at once. |
Fearless M0F0
Incursion PWNAGE Asc
11
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Posted - 2012.03.06 05:35:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Fearless M0F0 wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Because l4 missions aren't the completely out-of-whack ISK-faucet that's been driving the price of damned near everything into the stratosphere of late.
This argument has been beaten to death already thanks to the stats CCP Diagoras has been posting to his twitter account: In average, all incursion runners receive about twice as much isk as lvl 4 runners but only 1/3 of the isk received by bounties (ratting/plex). Disingenuous, mate (please don't insult my intelligence, thank you): That's an extra 30-odd percent of new ISK created that wasn't there prior to the Incursion-farming craze,
Your arguments blaming isk inflation to incursions are based in nothing more than pure speculation while mine are based in FACTS, cold hard numbers straight from CCP databases.
Also, there is no 30% new isk as you state, some of us were running lvl 4 missions in Tengus before incursions were introduced so we were making isk anyways... I'll give you 15% ?
And back to the OP, there is no way somebody can fly 10 tengus simultaneously in a vanguard with no logi support and not lose a couple on each site, you need between 4 and 6 large reppers with logi bonuses on you to tank being primaried by a vanguard wave. Anybody claiming you can pilot 10 accounts into a vanguard site is either lying or trolling.
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Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa
Stark Enterprises
1270
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Posted - 2012.03.06 05:36:00 -
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This guy is doing it wrong.
He needs to add another 10 accounts and double his isk per hour ratio. |
Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
85
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Posted - 2012.03.06 06:23:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:This guy is doing it wrong.
He needs to add another 10 accounts and double his isk per hour ratio.
Please....
Anything short of an Apple factory style sweat shop of isk-farmers is doing it wrong and deserves a quick and decisive uninstall.
EVE why u no obey Newtonian Physics?
Sure wish I could fit med artillery on my frigate to. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
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Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
89
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Posted - 2012.03.06 06:25:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:NullBears can get a 875,000,000 Mining Foreman Mindlink from a STORYLINE........and then say WE have it too easy in High. Of course the odds of getting that particular mission and that particular award from it are so astronomical that the idiocy of your post has a better chance of becoming a sentient life form that triggers a new big bang seeding a new universe made entirely of Jello Pudding.
Totally off topic but I've played a few other games where people cry and moan about RnG and I keep thinking, they need to try EVE. 6 years of ratting, -9.97 with Serpentis and I've gotten 2 Daredevil BPCs. One of those I stole from a bots Shadow wreck. The RnG in this game has to be the most outrageous going.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-_HeVNYOk
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Digital Messiah
Heroic Era
136
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Posted - 2012.03.06 06:52:00 -
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Now ask me if I care what ten carebears do in their spare time? I doubt he has 5 titan characters he is using to fund this with... Just saying.
"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
Enter a Heroic Era Today |
Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
88
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Posted - 2012.03.06 07:10:00 -
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It's ok dude, my caps lock gets stuck sometimes too ;)
My EVE YouTube Channel |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
253
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Posted - 2012.03.07 10:53:00 -
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Valentyn3 wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:This guy is doing it wrong.
He needs to add another 10 accounts and double his isk per hour ratio. Please.... Anything short of an Apple factory style sweat shop of isk-farmers is doing it wrong and deserves a quick and decisive uninstall.
^^The sense of humour is weak in this one^^
In irae, veritas. |
Katalci
Creative Cookie Procuring
Veto Corp
49
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Posted - 2012.04.10 02:40:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Because l4 missions aren't the completely out-of-whack ISK-faucet that's been driving the price of damned near everything into the stratosphere of late.
The thing is that level 4 missions are unlimited, while incursion sites are not. The ISK flow can be controlled easily by changing the rate at which sites spawn.
edit: oh my ******* god did I just forget the month |
Amarrian Cougar
Brigham Exploration
0
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Posted - 2012.04.10 03:08:00 -
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One guy has 10 paying accounts simply to do Incursions?
Yeah, that should make CCP want to nerf it right away. |
Alexa Coates
The Scope
Gallente Federation
91
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Posted - 2012.04.10 04:48:00 -
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op's just hatin'
Love my Gallente Federation Navy ships! |
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:17:00 -
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Angry Brother wrote:Electric Shoe is claiming he makes 15 billion day from incursion with his own tengu fleet alts without any risk. This needs to be addressed as it is an example of the imbalance regarding risk/reward.
here are his alts:
Tengu Tabby
Tengu Talia
Tengu Tasha
Tengu Teagan
Tengu Tequila
Tengu Tex
Tengu Tiffany
Tengu Tomiko
Tengu Tracy
Tengu Trianna
Corporation: Dynamic Space Industries
RL response: Equal opportunity, not equal outcome... HTFU and go get yourself a bunch of accounts and do the same.
RP response: Clones be clonin'... The real difficulty is figuring out which is the hot one. |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:23:00 -
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Angry Brother wrote:Electric Shoe is claiming he makes 15 billion day from incursion with his own tengu fleet alts without any risk. This needs to be addressed as it is an example of the imbalance regarding risk/reward.
here are his alts:
Tengu Tabby
Tengu Talia
Tengu Tasha
Tengu Teagan
Tengu Tequila
Tengu Tex
Tengu Tiffany
Tengu Tomiko
Tengu Tracy
Tengu Trianna
Corporation: Dynamic Space Industries
this is eve ideal customer. Get a life "angry" brother! Its no different from any other mmo that has multiple characters
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GondriA
BLUE EAGLES
Pinked
6
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:27:00 -
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Angry Brother wrote:Electric Shoe is claiming he makes 15 billion day from incursion with his own tengu fleet alts without any risk. This needs to be addressed as it is an example of the imbalance regarding risk/reward.
here are his alts:
Tengu Tabby
Tengu Talia
Tengu Tasha
Tengu Teagan
Tengu Tequila
Tengu Tex
Tengu Tiffany
Tengu Tomiko
Tengu Tracy
Tengu Trianna
Corporation: Dynamic Space Industries
i have a solution for u ..make the 11 more account ...problem solved |
adopt
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
384
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:29:00 -
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Fearless M0F0 wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Fearless M0F0 wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Because l4 missions aren't the completely out-of-whack ISK-faucet that's been driving the price of damned near everything into the stratosphere of late.
This argument has been beaten to death already thanks to the stats CCP Diagoras has been posting to his twitter account: In average, all incursion runners receive about twice as much isk as lvl 4 runners but only 1/3 of the isk received by bounties (ratting/plex). Disingenuous, mate (please don't insult my intelligence, thank you): That's an extra 30-odd percent of new ISK created that wasn't there prior to the Incursion-farming craze, Your arguments blaming isk inflation to incursions are based in nothing more than pure speculation while mine are based in FACTS, cold hard numbers straight from CCP databases. Also, there is no 30% new isk as you state, some of us were running lvl 4 missions in Tengus before incursions were introduced so we were making isk anyways... I'll give you 15% ? And back to the OP, there is no way somebody can fly 10 tengus simultaneously in a vanguard with no logi support and not lose a couple on each site, you need between 4 and 6 large reppers with logi bonuses on you to tank being primaried by a vanguard wave. Anybody claiming you can pilot 10 accounts into a vanguard site is either lying or trolling.
Have you ever seen the Tengus subsystems?
Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
5% bonus to all shield resistances per level
10% bonus to shield transporter effectiveness per level
At level 5, with 10 Tengus RRing each other tha'ts enough to tank a Vanguard EZMODE. Hell if my DPS predictions on the Assault sites its possible with 12 Tengus RRing each other to tank it. So you actually know nothing. Desist from posting.
Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled.
FREE XOLVE ~ THE HERO TEST NEEDS |
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Pelleas IV
Valeth Imperial Command
Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
0
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Posted - 2012.04.10 17:44:00 -
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Fearless M0F0 wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Fearless M0F0 wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Because l4 missions aren't the completely out-of-whack ISK-faucet that's been driving the price of damned near everything into the stratosphere of late.
This argument has been beaten to death already thanks to the stats CCP Diagoras has been posting to his twitter account: In average, all incursion runners receive about twice as much isk as lvl 4 runners but only 1/3 of the isk received by bounties (ratting/plex). Disingenuous, mate (please don't insult my intelligence, thank you): That's an extra 30-odd percent of new ISK created that wasn't there prior to the Incursion-farming craze, Your arguments blaming isk inflation to incursions are based in nothing more than pure speculation while mine are based in FACTS, cold hard numbers straight from CCP databases. Also, there is no 30% new isk as you state, some of us were running lvl 4 missions in Tengus before incursions were introduced so we were making isk anyways... I'll give you 15% ?
It is actually closer 20% of all new isk entering the game
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MZD6-vGQms -Fanfest 2012 economics report)
Normally this wouldn't be a problem, but only 5% of eve players run incursions. Also no new isk sinks (bar concord LP, but afaik this is not a large enough sink to offset the incursion isk) were introduced with incursion to offset this injection.
Sure, rat bounties as a whole are much higher, but that category encompasses both high (mission bounties are counted in this figure) Low and null sec and it likely has many (many) more players collecting isk.
Personally i do i like incursions more than most other forms of pve though; you actually have a reason to group up and fly with other people even if they're a cakewalk at this point.
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Fractal Muse
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.04.10 18:30:00 -
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Bootleg Jack wrote:I have not done incursions, are they that easy that one person can manage the whole fight?
Is there no complexity or is it just pure numbers?
At this time there is no complexity.
Incursion sites are extremely predictable and there is really no variance in how they operate.
Because of this, I could see a single player multiboxing an incursion site.
I'm not sure how he handles logistics.. if he does. Maybe he puts a rep on each tengu and does a rep chain. Who knows.
The ISK values per day are something that I question and I'd like to see how he does this plus the set up but given how simple incursion mechanisms are - it is definitely feasible.
After the coming patch I don't think it'll be that doable since there is supposed to be an element of random introduced to Incursions. This, hopefully, means that players will have to react to changes in a dynamic environment. As such, a single player trying to control 10-12 ships won't be able to react quick enough all the time to avoid ship losses.
That's my hope at least.
Incursion vanguard sites as they are now are boring and mindless. |
Sunviking
The Shining Knights
26
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Posted - 2012.04.10 18:33:00 -
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I'm not too up on multi-boxing, but I do not see how a single human can run Incursions with that many characters simultaneously unless he has some kind of botting program running.
Just a thought. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
181
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Posted - 2012.04.10 18:48:00 -
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Sunviking wrote:I'm not too up on multi-boxing, but I do not see how a single human can run Incursions with that many characters simultaneously unless he has some kind of botting program running.
Just a thought.
There is a program called ISBoxer that makes multiboxing on one PC really, really easy. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
165
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Posted - 2012.04.10 19:45:00 -
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Patient 2428190 wrote:You realize this guy is CCP's ideal customer right?
so wheres that multi client support?
Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa
Stark Enterprises
1395
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Posted - 2012.04.10 19:55:00 -
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Sunviking wrote:I'm not too up on multi-boxing, but I do not see how a single human can run Incursions with that many characters simultaneously unless he has some kind of botting program running.
Just a thought.
I dunno about that being the only way.
I can see my 3 screens just fine... control input suffers from a 2-3 second delay trying to find the right mouse for the right machine.
Add another 2-5 second delay for each client you have to alt tab to get to. |
Rath Kelbore
The Six-Pack Syndicate
EVE Animal Control
53
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Posted - 2012.04.10 20:00:00 -
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Jalmari Huitsikko wrote:Ursula LeGuinn wrote:The number of players running those nine accounts is completely irrelevant. CCP has allowed and even encouraged multiplay in EVE for years. Balancing the game around the very rare player who runs many accounts simultaneously would be silly, as would punishing such players. Also: They're paying for nine accounts.
In before "They pay for their accounts with ISK...." Newsflash: No one gives a **** about sasquatch! When you look at the income per character you can make with 1 and 10 there's great difference and it doesn't scale well with number fo accounts. It's not a players fault though, reward mechanics just suck ass.
FYP you're welcome
I plan on living forever.......so far, so good. |
Ch3244
Azule Dragoons
Sspectre
22
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Posted - 2012.04.10 20:05:00 -
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Nick Bison wrote:Looks to me it's the Tengu that needs toning down.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Welsige
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.04.10 20:15:00 -
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Angry Brother wrote:Electric Shoe is claiming he makes 15 billion day from incursion with his own tengu fleet alts without any risk. This needs to be addressed as it is an example of the imbalance regarding risk/reward.
here are his alts:
Tengu Tabby
Tengu Talia
Tengu Tasha
Tengu Teagan
Tengu Tequila
Tengu Tex
Tengu Tiffany
Tengu Tomiko
Tengu Tracy
Tengu Trianna
Corporation: Dynamic Space Industries
Because, of course, who dosent have a fleet of Tengus?
Seriously, one cant take 1 example and extrapolate it to the entire comunity of people that run incursions, especially a case outside "the curve".
And last i checked, incursions arent risk free.
Your post is full of fail.
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Welsige
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.04.10 20:21:00 -
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Fractal Muse wrote:
Incursion vanguard sites as they are now are boring and mindless.
This holds true to each and every pve content in this game. Incursions, anomalies, complexes, belts, mining....
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