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Yao Shiu	Posted - 2008.05.10 12:26:00 - [31] Originally by: TimMc Nothing is wrong with Vista. Infact I love it to bigs once that annoying prompt messages were disabled. But then again I am running 6GB of RAM. have you had any trouble with compatibility with vista 64-bit edition?
Kravick Drasari	Posted - 2008.05.10 18:22:00 - [32] Edited by: Kravick Drasari on 10/05/2008 18:23:46 DRM. If nothing else, Digital Rights Media was the deal breaker for me. All the driver issues, compatibility issues, crashing, etc. gets solved with time. Every new OS always ends up using more resources. Many disagree with this philosophy, including myself, but its just the way Microsuck makes em. XP was considered a massive hog when it first came out too, but even todays bargain computers will run XP flawlessly. All these problems usually get fixed within the first year of the OS's release, but DRM is the ***** devil. I refuse to have an OS I paid for tell me what I can and can't do on MY computer with MY hardware. I don't download bootleg movies. I don't copy DVDs. I don't do anything illegal on my computer, but when Vista told me I couldn't watch one of my DVDs that I legally bought because of some DRM issue or some ** I ripped that POS OS out of my computer and reinstalled XP. No idea why it did that but the DVD was legit. Bought it at Best Buy years ago. Worked in my DVD player and once I reinstalled XP it worked fine. Wouldn't work on Vista for some reason. --- My cat Putter approves of this post. Be a Ninja! You know you want too: http://www.animecubed.com/billy/?Kravick
Rachag	Posted - 2008.05.10 18:57:00 - [33] i bought a nice new computer last month, easily able to run Vista if needed... and do you know what i did? i made sure it came with XP. i don`t need another operating system, i don`t need to spend time relearning how to run my machine and i don`t need to get into a fit of rage when my games don`t run on the machine. i jumped from windows 3.1 to xp and i can happily wait for the next Windows OS to come along before i jump again. if people are happy with Vista that`s fine with me, but i have all that i need for the moment so will be giving that OS a miss.
Mtthias Clemi Gallente The Space Bastards	Posted - 2008.05.10 18:59:00 - [34] Just to clarify that ive been using since release and never ever had a problem with DRM, not once. All my dvds work all my music works, even those that have been acquired from questionable sources.
Spaztick	Posted - 2008.05.10 19:15:00 - [35] Vista isn't even worth pirating, that's how bad it is. Heck, Ubuntu is FREE, and I'm planning on going to Linux and using Wine to run anything that doesn't run on Linux natively when I have to change from XP to something else. But seriously, more people should have some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post.
Kirjava Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.05.10 19:21:00 - [36] I plan on upgrading to XP on my lapop as soon as I can afford it. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Githas	Posted - 2008.05.11 00:47:00 - [37] Hrmm, is there a *****ed version of vista's sp1 with dx10 somewhere lol?
Frezik Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment	Posted - 2008.05.11 03:17:00 - [38] Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Just to clarify that ive been using since release and never ever had a problem with DRM, not once. All my dvds work all my music works, even those that have been acquired from questionable sources. Doesn't the fact that you can still play questionably-sourced material show how well DRM work? Vista DRM is useless to me. It eats resources and provides nothing. Plus, it's a brand new mechanisim for bugs to crop up. Soon after release, some people hit a bug where Windows Media Player consumed 95% of the CPU by playing an MP3. The bug was tracked down to the DRM system. It was fixed, but it should never have happened in the first place. I expect to see more such bugs in the future (either in the current Vista or in a service pack). Since Vista provides few practical benefits over XP besides DRM, how is this even a debate?
TimMc Gallente Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.05.11 08:40:00 - [39] Originally by: Yao Shiu Originally by: TimMc Nothing is wrong with Vista. Infact I love it to bigs once that annoying prompt messages were disabled. But then again I am running 6GB of RAM. have you had any trouble with compatibility with vista 64-bit edition? Nope everything is running perfectly on 64bit edition so far. Just use compatibility mode on some of the older games. All of my hardware is new, so I cannot speak about old hardware compatibility.
Ryysa The Illuminati. Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.11 09:41:00 - [40] Edited by: Ryysa on 11/05/2008 09:44:53 Originally by: LaVista Vista Personally I'm looking for aquire a mac osx machine. People whine about the big footprint of Vista. Leopard is no better. Neither is linux. My ubuntu uses 100% memory. You do know how to check free memory in linux though? Right? Ok, let's break it down for you. You use a nifty command called "free". gm@gm-desktop:~$ free total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 3050896 3009920 40976 0 122040 1259668 -/+ buffers/cache: 1628212 1422684 Swap: 4000176 26184 3973992 gm@gm-desktop:~$ See where it says "-/+ buffers/cache" ? That's the free memory on a linux system. Does it still look like 100% to you? Just because linux has a different (better) architecture in using memory, makes no excuse for your claim, that linux uses 100% memory - and if you want to compare to your Micro$hit, then please make sure you compare the right number. Also, before you go ZOMG LINUX USES 1.6GB RAM, consider that the system has a lot running on it. Also, Vista does not use that startup mem for caching. It just eats it. There is a huge difference whether the RAM is used for caching, or if the OS is just using it to store it's own components. If you were to swap out all but 128MB of ram on a Vista system, it would come to a grinding halt. Not so for a Linux system. -- As for the OP, Vista is a fail of Windows ME proportions. I'd suggest waiting for the next windows, and then jumping there from XP, if you want to stick with Microsoft. Vista has a new architecture, as with all new architectures, it takes a while to mature. So you can hope, that they won't make many of the mistakes they initially made in the next version. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2008.05.11 09:56:00 - [41] Just to clarify what Ryysa is saying, Linux has a neat trick whereby it will use free memory and idle processor cycles to try and anticipate what you will want quick access to and have it ready in memory. If you end up wanting that memory for something else there is no extra processor overhead for forgetting what was there compared to just allocating from free memory. ---- Infiniband can do more than just prevent lag
Ryysa The Illuminati. Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.11 10:26:00 - [42] Exactly. Thanks for clarifying :) EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
Lord Zoran House of Tempers	Posted - 2008.05.11 12:32:00 - [43] Originally by: Captain Hudson works fine on my computer, never crashed or anything. dunno what all the crying is about tbh! this tbh, it actually works faster then xp on my comp, oh and it looks better
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.11 12:46:00 - [44] PC vs Mac vs Linux. LOL, couldn't resist to post that.
Ryysa The Illuminati. Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.11 14:42:00 - [45] Edited by: Ryysa on 11/05/2008 14:42:44 Originally by: Lord Zoran this tbh, it actually works faster then xp on my comp, oh and it looks better Sure, you are right and all the be nc hm ar ks are wrong. Gotta love it - anecdotal evidence at it's finest. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.11 19:02:00 - [46] i know plenty of ppl that love vista. the root of the issue is it's a system hog and some ppl that pay attention to benchmarks know that they could have better performance. if you just using your system as a regular user, you'll probably be satisifed. keep it updated and its a decent, relatively secure OS the big question is, why do you want to upgrade? if you going all out 64bit then yeah it will probably be worth it to you, otherwise, stick w/ XP and go buy some beer ------------------------------ of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.05.11 19:05:00 - [47] Originally by: Ryysa Ok, let's break it down for you. You use a nifty command called "free". Thanks sir, I'm very aware of the free command. You missed my point and you quoted out of context.
Ryysa The Illuminati. Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.11 19:28:00 - [48] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Ryysa Ok, let's break it down for you. You use a nifty command called "free". Thanks sir, I'm very aware of the free command. You missed my point and you quoted out of context. Nothing better than an ad hominem, instead of replying to the valid arguments made :) I rest my case. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
MalVortex Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.05.12 08:15:00 - [49] In defense of Vista, it does fix some backend things, the 3d desktop does have its uses, esp. in gaming situations, and its nowhere near as bad as ME. The fundamental problem of vista is that it offers very little reason to change - not that it fails in some fundamental way. Every + point for it has an equally pervasive - point to counter. A wash argument isn't a convincing one for the headache of an OS change. There are specific reasons to use vista, esp. 64bit vista. There are specific reasons to use XP. Vista fails in that its not better than XP, when it really should be. This is its one true failing, and the sole reason for its poor adoption rates.
Reven Cordelle	Posted - 2008.05.12 08:26:00 - [50] I've never really had many problems. Used to bluescreen on eve a bit, but then I swapped out my processor for an Athlon 6400+ and it hasn't blue screened since, even after a good 5 - 6 hours of constant play. I think the Vista hate is founded on the "Its new, get it out!" Same kind of mechanic you see when a New Kid starts at school. Gets lambasted into being the "freak" until everyone finally accepts it. I've never really had any problems, but then my current system was a Vista Compatible build, ie.. everything in it is new and "Vista Compliant". Older machines may struggle with it, but thats the breaks with new technology and old technology mixing.
Ryysa The Illuminati. Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.12 12:45:00 - [51] Originally by: Reven Cordelle Older machines may struggle with it, but thats the breaks with new technology and old technology mixing. You missed one important thing. I'll bring an analogy. Let's say you have a car, it works perfectly fine, doesn't have a really high mileage yet, and you are used to where everything is. Now, you are offered to buy a really expensive new car, because... well because.. it's new. Also, it looks a bit prettier, but it performs a lot worse and uses more fuel than your old car. Would you buy it? I know I wouldn't, but probably some would, who then will defend it with arguments such as "it's newer", "I can afford it" or "It's pretty much like the old one". But why bother switching, if in the end, overall, the new car is not better, and has a completely different layout and driving dynamics, to which you are not used to? And costs a lot of money on top of that? I think that, when we talk about cars this way, people would go "ah, it's stupid to buy THAT new car, I can just buy a different one, or I can wait for a better one". But for some reason, in the PC world, it takes a huge ass hammer to get that knowledge (which is common sense really) into someone's head. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
Kravick Drasari	Posted - 2008.05.12 13:39:00 - [52] Edited by: Kravick Drasari on 12/05/2008 13:42:16 Originally by: Ryysa Originally by: Reven Cordelle Older machines may struggle with it, but thats the breaks with new technology and old technology mixing. You missed one important thing. I'll bring an analogy. Let's say you have a car, it works perfectly fine, doesn't have a really high mileage yet, and you are used to where everything is. Now, you are offered to buy a really expensive new car, because... well because.. it's new. Also, it looks a bit prettier, but it performs a lot worse and uses more fuel than your old car. Would you buy it? I know I wouldn't, but probably some would, who then will defend it with arguments such as "it's newer", "I can afford it" or "It's pretty much like the old one". But why bother switching, if in the end, overall, the new car is not better, and has a completely different layout and driving dynamics, to which you are not used to? And costs a lot of money on top of that? I think that, when we talk about cars this way, people would go "ah, it's stupid to buy THAT new car, I can just buy a different one, or I can wait for a better one". But for some reason, in the PC world, it takes a huge ass hammer to get that knowledge (which is common sense really) into someone's head. For the most part this is exactly it. Theres always a catch though. Car manufacturers can't come out with a new form of fuel that requires you to "upgrade" to a new car in order to keep driving. Vista unfortunately has with Direct X 10 being Vista only. The real sad part is that Direct X 10 doesn't have to be Vista only. Someone hacked it (and has since been patched to keep it Vista only) and gotten it to work 100% on XP. WTH, why is the word that describes breaking something without severing it censored? --- My cat Putter approves of this post. Be a Ninja! You know you want too: http://www.animecubed.com/billy/?Kravick
Ryysa The Illuminati. Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.12 17:03:00 - [53] There is not so much need for DX10 right now. And I bet before the majority of games switches exclusively to DX10, there will be a new version of Windows with Vista-like architecture, which will fix a lot of shortcomings of Vista. So, DX10 is not really a valid enough point right now. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
Jayna Keria Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.12 17:16:00 - [54] Originally by: NightmareX PC vs Mac vs Linux. LOL, couldn't resist to post that. That was awesome
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers Goodfellas.	Posted - 2008.05.12 17:52:00 - [55] Originally by: Ryysa Originally by: Reven Cordelle Older machines may struggle with it, but thats the breaks with new technology and old technology mixing. You missed one important thing. I'll bring an analogy. Let's say you have a car, it works perfectly fine, doesn't have a really high mileage yet, and you are used to where everything is. Now, you are offered to buy a really expensive new car, because... well because.. it's new. Also, it looks a bit prettier, but it performs a lot worse and uses more fuel than your old car. Would you buy it? I know I wouldn't, but probably some would, who then will defend it with arguments such as "it's newer", "I can afford it" or "It's pretty much like the old one". But why bother switching, if in the end, overall, the new car is not better, and has a completely different layout and driving dynamics, to which you are not used to? And costs a lot of money on top of that? I think that, when we talk about cars this way, people would go "ah, it's stupid to buy THAT new car, I can just buy a different one, or I can wait for a better one". But for some reason, in the PC world, it takes a huge ass hammer to get that knowledge (which is common sense really) into someone's head. It might lose more fuel but it comes with it's own share of benefits. It can support 8 gigs of RAM, and works better with it. RAM prices are currently very cheap. While not many games are dx10 compatible we're still in the 1st gen. When the 2nd and 3rd Gen games for DX10 come out we should see some bigger gaming improvements once developers get the hang of it. Plus if you're buying a new car anyway, why wouldn't you spend another 100 dollars to the thousand+ you're already spending for a new stereo. Like you already said, Vista isn't really worse than XP. It's UI is a bit different, and it does use a bit more memory. However some people might like the bells and whistles of the UI (Not everyone knows how to Mod/Replace XP's UI). Vista also supports more memory. But let's face it, it boils down to gaming, as long as Windows supports all the games it'll still have market dominance. ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
Ryysa The Illuminati. Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.12 18:31:00 - [56] Originally by: Bish Ounen Originally by: NightmareX PC vs Mac vs Linux. LOL, couldn't resist to post that. I prefer THIS ONE. That one was funny EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
Bish Ounen Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.05.12 18:36:00 - [57] Originally by: Ryysa Originally by: Bish Ounen I prefer THIS ONE. That one was funny There's actually 3 of them out there, maybe more now. My favorite part? The people that play the OSes; Windows - Nerdy, balding dork with glasses Mac - Over-styled hipster twit with garish taste Linux - Hot, busty and very intelligent redheaded woman Yooowzaaa!
Ryysa The Illuminati. Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.12 18:39:00 - [58] Originally by: Bish Ounen Linux - Hot, busty and very intelligent redheaded woman Yooowzaaa! Yeah, but in other clips it's a nerd with glasses who talks way too much EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
Bish Ounen Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.05.12 18:50:00 - [59] Originally by: Ryysa Originally by: Bish Ounen Linux - Hot, busty and very intelligent redheaded woman Yooowzaaa! Yeah, but in other clips it's a nerd with glasses who talks way too much ?? Not quite sure which ones you mean. The 3 Novell produced spoof ads are (in MPG downloadable format): #1 HERE #2 HERE (same as the Rever one I linked to before) #3 HERE That's all the professionally created ones I know of.
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers Goodfellas.	Posted - 2008.05.12 19:16:00 - [60] Edited by: Rialtor on 12/05/2008 19:16:40 Originally by: Ryysa So can WinXP 64bit (as can any 64 bit OS) and any 32 bit OS with PAE (Although in a bit slower mode of addressing the memory). True, I should have phrased that better. Usually when people run XP, it's the 32 bit version. And Vista it's the 64 bit version. As for XP 64 vs. Vista 64 I'd take Vista for a few reasons. Driver support for XP 64 was never really completely supported, so you'd have more potential for problems there. While there may be some rare drivers not coverted to vista 64 either, the market is working towards this. Vista 64 has more support than XP 64. Quote: And when they do come out, there will be hopefully a new version of windows, which will be made by learning from vista's mistakes. Windows 7 isn't set to launch till late 2009, probably 2010. Then you have to give it some time to mature and drivers to launch. So you're looking at another 3-6 months for SP1. So you're looking at late 2010, 2011. If you are in fact upgrading your com in the mean time, there are no really major issues to stop you from running vista. Why would you deny yourself 2-3 years of non dx10 enhanced graphics if you like to play new games. Quote: This claim is outrageously wrong. Any 64bit architecture can in theory address 16 exabytes of RAM, and all 64 bit oses have currently no problem addressing 64gb. I was speaking about the upgrade from XP32 (what they probably have now) to Vista 64 (the upgrade they were probably looking to make). But yes, my post was badily stated. Quote: Also, if you think that the majority of computers are running windows because of GAMES, you are utterly and completely disillusioned. I think it's a very large reason for Microsoft's continued market dominance. Ubuntu is easy to install, is well supported out of the box so why doesn't it catch on faster? for 3 reasons. 1. poor marketing 2. percieved complexity of anything linux 3. when people do know about it, and can use it...they can't play games on it. you seem to downplay 3, but I don't. ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.

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