| Pages: [1] 2 3 :: one page |
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
   |
Posted - 2008.05.09 20:18:00 -
[1]
I've never used Vista before - I've always trusted the say-so of other people who say it's a pile of doggy poo-poo. My question is: what's so bad about it? Say I had a few quid to spend - would I be better served spending it on upgrading from Xp to Vista, or beer?
--------------------------------------------------------------------
|
Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Cynical Cartel
|
Posted - 2008.05.09 20:21:00 -
[2]
I've got it on a laptop and I've had only one issue so far which comes to downloading a game. From download to setup it gets all wacky but other than that I've had no other issues with anything including other downloads.
It does ask you alot of questions though.
____________________________________________
And yes I'll be gone soon. |
Deitre Cibrus
Black Water.
|
Posted - 2008.05.09 20:21:00 -
[3]
Not got it personally but a m8 has and it seems too just crash his games all the time, not everyone but quite a few and they work fine on mine (xp) so ...
-----------
 Originally by: Santiago Cortes
Please don't derail your own thread.
What is this sig missing?
Pretty colours? -Conuion
Not true! Has plenty -Deitre
It's missing the goat!- Tirg
Cowbell! -Scyd
Gold gold, baby -Sahwoolo
Violet fluffiness? -Incognus
What rhymes with orange? -Rauth |
Dark 'Shadow
Krispy Corp LLC
|
Posted - 2008.05.09 20:27:00 -
[4]
I have been running Vista sense a few months after its launch, and honestly I would not go back to XP under any circumstances. I will admit that the first few months after launch were a bit shaky but now almost any program/game you can find will run great under Vista, only really seriously annoying problem I have had was sometimes when using iTunes it would give me a bsod, but that has been fixed in recent patches. You really do need to have a nice rig to run the whole os well, right now I am using 3 gigs of ram and almost a third of that is always in use. If you have a good rig I would upgrade to Vista (Home Premium).
|
Lyn Quan
Caldari
State War Academy
|
Posted - 2008.05.09 20:31:00 -
[5]
It suffers from the same problems as any new OS, or software for that matter, which is instability and unforeseen issues. You just have to wait for it to get patched properly. XP was horrible when it came out too.
Still though, I'd keep an eye on Ubuntu and the likes over the next couple of years. I think much good will come from that corner.
If you absolutely have to stick with Microsoft use XP until 2010 when it runs out of official support, then go Vista.
|
Bish Ounen
Gallente
Omni-Core Freedom Fighters
Ethereal Dawn
|
Posted - 2008.05.09 20:32:00 -
[6]
1. Significantly higher hardware requirements, JUST to run the OS (new games and whatnot aside.)
2. Insanely annoying UAC prompts. Of course, you can turn off UAC, but then you aren't as "safe". 
3. Drastic changes to the UI for NO good reason. And I don't mean the pretty window borders, I mean changing where you can find critical system tools in ways that make it HARDER to use them.
4. DRM DRM DRM DRM DRM DRM DRM DRM DRM DRM DRM DRM DRM DRM! When your PC isn't yours to do with as you please because some functions are locked out by DRM, then something is VERY wrong. Remember kids, DRM "Manages Rights" in the same way that Prison "Manages Freedom".
5. Drastic changes to core OS functionality. These are actually GOOD things, but the way Microsoft went about changing them , and the fact that they didn't properly assist hardware vendors in adjusting to the changes, means there is STILL mainstream hardware that won't work on Vista. The only solution? Buy yet MORE hardware to replace the perfectly good stuff that just won't work on Vista.
6. Vista SP1 broke even MORE hardware that had previously been working, or had just been fixed with new drivers.
And if all of that wasn't reason enough:
7. Internal e-mails exposed in a currently running Class-Action suit against Microsoft over Vista have revealed that even MICROSOFT UPPER MANAGEMENT knew what a turd Vista really was, and how badly they were screwing over the PC manufacturers with their "Vista Capable" program.
That should just about cover it.
My advice? Stick with XP, or switch to Mac or Linux. In the end you will be a whole lot happier.
|
ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
|
Posted - 2008.05.09 20:35:00 -
[7]
Only 2 gig of ram here, 2.25GHz (O.C) dual core CPU, radeon hd 3850 graphics card. I take it that'll run Vista perfectly well?
If I did upgrade to Vista, I'd probably get a new motherboard too - one that can support more than my current 2G of RAM - maybe let me overclock my CPU a bit higher.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
|
Lyn Quan
Caldari
State War Academy
|
Posted - 2008.05.09 20:37:00 -
[8]
Seeing as Vista itself nearly takes 1 GB of Ram to run, with all bells and whistles, I'd go with at least 3 GB.
Seriously though there is no good reason to go Vista. Like, at all...
|
Bish Ounen
Gallente
Omni-Core Freedom Fighters
Ethereal Dawn
|
Posted - 2008.05.09 20:47:00 -
[9]
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Only 2 gig of ram here, 2.25GHz (O.C) dual core CPU, radeon hd 3850 graphics card. I take it that'll run Vista perfectly well?
If I did upgrade to Vista, I'd probably get a new motherboard too - one that can support more than my current 2G of RAM - maybe let me overclock my CPU a bit higher.
2 Gigs is the recommended MINIMUM to run Vista. Judging by my own physical and virtual bench tests running Vista with 2 gigs of RAM is like running XP with only 512. Yes, it works, and works fine, but you will experience slowdowns from time to time. Particularly when you game.
Also, be aware that you will likely run into serious sound card issues with Vista. Most 1 generation old sound cards have had big time issues with Vista, due to the changes in the kernel and the manner in which the sound drivers interface with it.
Of course, if you were planning on an expensive upgrade anyway, then neither of those things will be an issue for you. However, I would still recommend checking out Ubuntu 8.04. You can run EvE on it, and it also has the cool effects. Not only that, but you can load up Emerald from the "add new software" program, and get WAY more cool effects and graphical whizbang than Vista ever dreamed of having.
Keep in mind: changing to Vista is like changing over to a whole new OS because they made SO MANY arbitrary alterations to the UI. If you are going to have to go through all that, why not just get an actual different OS? Maybe one that doesn't have virus and spyware issues. OS X or Ubuntu Linux would be great choices.
|
ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
|
Posted - 2008.05.09 20:51:00 -
[10]
Edited by: ReaperOfSly on 09/05/2008 20:52:21
Originally by: Bish Ounen
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Only 2 gig of ram here, 2.25GHz (O.C) dual core CPU, radeon hd 3850 graphics card. I take it that'll run Vista perfectly well?
If I did upgrade to Vista, I'd probably get a new motherboard too - one that can support more than my current 2G of RAM - maybe let me overclock my CPU a bit higher.
2 Gigs is the recommended MINIMUM to run Vista. Judging by my own physical and virtual bench tests running Vista with 2 gigs of RAM is like running XP with only 512. Yes, it works, and works fine, but you will experience slowdowns from time to time. Particularly when you game.
Also, be aware that you will likely run into serious sound card issues with Vista. Most 1 generation old sound cards have had big time issues with Vista, due to the changes in the kernel and the manner in which the sound drivers interface with it.
Of course, if you were planning on an expensive upgrade anyway, then neither of those things will be an issue for you. However, I would still recommend checking out Ubuntu 8.04. You can run EvE on it, and it also has the cool effects. Not only that, but you can load up Emerald from the "add new software" program, and get WAY more cool effects and graphical whizbang than Vista ever dreamed of having.
Keep in mind: changing to Vista is like changing over to a whole new OS because they made SO MANY arbitrary alterations to the UI. If you are going to have to go through all that, why not just get an actual different OS? Maybe one that doesn't have virus and spyware issues. OS X or Ubuntu Linux would be great choices.
Ubuntu + ATI graphics card = big pile of shitty nastiness.
Edit: and I HAVE tried Ubuntu on this rig. It just doesn't work. Full stop. Also have dire issues with my WiFi PCI card.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
|
annoing
Amarr
MisFunk Inc.
Daisho Syndicate
|
Posted - 2008.05.09 20:55:00 -
[11]
The only thing wrong with vista is that it exists.
Wait another 2 years and there will be another OS from Microsh1t to worry about.
Dwi Cymraig
|
Bish Ounen
Gallente
Omni-Core Freedom Fighters
Ethereal Dawn
|
Posted - 2008.05.09 21:03:00 -
[12]
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Ubuntu + ATI graphics card = big pile of shitty nastiness.
Ahh. Didn't notice the ATI card there. My bad. Unfortunately, ATI hasn't been very cooperative with Linux in the drivers area. Until they get better, you will be generally better off with an Nvidia card.
Personally, I've always liked Nvida better anyway. I've had 2 ATI cards and 4 Nvidia cards over the years, and the ATI ones BOTH died young. The Nividia ones took a beating and kept running. I had one run OVERCLOCKED with a busted heastsink fan. (GF 4 series card) The sucker basically ran on passive cooling for about 6 months. Didn't even notice the busted fan until I was replacing the card for an upgrade.
Still, there are updated drivers for ATI cards available for the newer versions of Ubuntu. Also, 8.04 supports a bunch more wifi cards than past versions. You might want to consider giving it another shot. it's free to download and with the new "WUBI" feature, you can actually load Ubuntu INSIDE windows, without reformatting, or hosing your Windows install. That allows you to test it out at full hardware acceleration.
|
Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus
|
Posted - 2008.05.09 21:10:00 -
[13]
Why fix what isn't broken?
Why upgrade to Vista when you don't need to?
Waste of 100 bucks, is what I say. XP runs fine, better than Vista.
Originally by: Amoxin
My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
Atomos' Guide to Forum Flaming |
Roxanna Kell
Caldari Provisions
|
Posted - 2008.05.09 21:15:00 -
[14]
Whats wrong with it?
Whats wrong with it?
There is no SP2 man.
Quote:
There is no Dishonor in winning fools, so do it any way you can.
|
Elysarian
Minmatar
dudetruck corp
|
Posted - 2008.05.09 21:59:00 -
[15]
If you have a stable system at the moment then there's NO real reason to upgrade to Vista, it'll just make your computer feel slower than it is at the moment...
However, if you are planning a major upgrade to your machine and you have an OEM copy of XP, then I'd say switch to Vista (changing 3 or more hardare items will void your activation and you won't legally be able to re-activate it).
as an aside: exactly what "problems" are people having with "last generation" soundcards? - I have an Audigy2 ZS and ghave had no problems with it in Vista.
|
Captain Hudson
Caldari
Royal Hiigaran Navy
|
Posted - 2008.05.09 22:01:00 -
[16]
works fine on my computer, never crashed or anything. dunno what all the crying is about tbh!
The Real Eve FanFest |
ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
|
Posted - 2008.05.09 22:10:00 -
[17]
Originally by: Elysarian
If you have a stable system at the moment then there's NO real reason to upgrade to Vista, it'll just make your computer feel slower than it is at the moment...
However, if you are planning a major upgrade to your machine and you have an OEM copy of XP, then I'd say switch to Vista (changing 3 or more hardare items will void your activation and you won't legally be able to re-activate it).
as an aside: exactly what "problems" are people having with "last generation" soundcards? - I have an Audigy2 ZS and ghave had no problems with it in Vista.
I've been eyeing up the Asus Xonar range of sound cards lately. They boast of being "Vista Friendly". Apparently, there have been "issues" with audio hardware acceleration in Vista. Hopefully not a problem with a "Vista friendly" sound card.
Anyway, from most of the responses here, it looks like my money will be better spent on beer. Oh dear, what a hardship *glug*.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
|
KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
|
Posted - 2008.05.09 22:13:00 -
[18]
It's easy to see why Vista has generated a lot of bad feelings towards it, but I personally am not a vista-hater, but I don't use or espouse it's merits either. The main *problem* with Vista, is that it is simply not as good as XP, even after XP has been around for several years. That point is debatable, depending on what you base "better" on, but from a performance and usability perspective, Vista is sadly a step backwards. Examples of why:
- Out of the box Vista requires 5x or more the HDD space of XP to install (not particularly a big issue with today's HDDs)
- Vista requires 1GB of RAM to run passably smoothly, XP runs slick smooth on 256MB
- Out of the box, you will lose about 10-15% system resources for the OS for all it's clever and fancy bits (eg. Aero, etc). Using XP your PC will thus perform 10-15% faster than the same machine using Vista.
- User Access Control and DRM makes life much harder for you to use your computer your way. The former is intended to stop Joe Bloggs running random executables from the Net with admin privaledges and installing spyware/trojans/viruses, etc. The latter is in theory, MS making sure everything you run on your PC is from a reputable source. In practise, both of the above are mostly an annoyance.
- No more DirectSound, so no environmental audio for you. Creative's "ALchemy" program is supposed to fix quite a few of the affected titles.
Vista does have some nice features though, that, if not for it's poor performance (compared with XP) would convince me to upgrade.
- For gamers, DirectX 10 is the biggest deal (although as of now there's only about 5 games that use it)
- Bread crumb file/folder paths make navigation in folder trees a dream.
- Searching is brilliant
- Hardware drivers are loaded differently than they are in XP. F.ex, if your GFX drivers crash in Vista, the OS automatically restarts it. No BSOD -> Reset Button = amazing.
- Windows updates are smoothly integrated into the OS now, making keeping it up-to-date very easy.
There are a number of pros as you can see, but, and it's a big but, no matter how good the OS is and how nice it looks, it performs worse and many features are harder to use than its older sibling...and at the end of the day, for me personally that performance (and I will add, the ease of doing what I want with my computer) mean XP is the better OS of the two. If Vista had kept DirectSound, got rid of UAC and had the same performance as XP, it would win by landslide...instead I hope Microsoft have learned from their and Vista's poor sales, and do better with whatever comes next. I think Vista will be the "WinMe" of this generation and forgotten quickly. I'll prob stick with XP SP3 until Vista's successor comes along.
I think Linux has the right idea with user/admin privaledges. Everything is simply run at user level, unless you specifically use 'sudo' or run root terminal (but only then if you've got root  ). Why UAC Microsoft? Why?
Here is a link to a comparison with a bunch of tests and their results comparing the two OSs: XP Vs. Vista
-------------
|
KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
|
Posted - 2008.05.09 22:19:00 -
[19]
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
I've been eyeing up the Asus Xonar range of sound cards lately. They boast of being "Vista Friendly". Apparently, there have been "issues" with audio hardware acceleration in Vista. Hopefully not a problem with a "Vista friendly" sound card.
MMmmmmmm
-------------
|
Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
The Space Bastards
|
Posted - 2008.05.09 23:23:00 -
[20]
I would never recommend an upgrade to be honest, there is no need.
I chose Vista because it was the same price and a s a rule i go with a newer product if its the same price as an older one, it works fine if you have a decent enough computer i like the new look and all the little interface bits added.
It uses more resources than XP but then ive not encountered a program other than Supcom than can max out my processor and a program other than Crysis that can max out my g card... let alone cause slowdown due to vista taking all the resources... but thats with 3gb ram a decent core2duo and a 8800.
Like i said, upgrade? no
Choosing ads a new OS? maybe, if its the same price and wont be full of bloatware and the computers good enough to run it.
Most options end with XP and coming from me thats something, i love vista
|
Frezik
Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment
|
Posted - 2008.05.09 23:32:00 -
[21]
The correct way to phrase the question is "what's in XP that needs fixing?" and "does Vista fix them?"
1) XP is a pig. This may sound old fashioned to you whippersnappers, but no OS should need even 256MB just to install and boot unless it's using a RAM disk setup (like some bootable CDs do). Vista only makes the problem worse.
2) XP doesn't support the DRM that the movie industry wants before it starts pushing TV over the Internet. While it is fixed in Vista, as far as I'm concerned, this is an artificial problem created by an industry that makes mostly phlegmatic junk.
3) XP doesn't have a 3D desktop. I actually consider this rather important. There are a lot of UI tricks that you can do once you start using 3D accelerators for your desktop. Also, the Windows graphical model is ancient; there hasn't been a significant upgrade to it since the days of 4MB VGA video cards. Big plus to Vista for fixing this.
4) XP doesn't have good privilege separation. Windows NT has always supported a more robust privilege model than Unix's "one root user to rule them all" (you'll see this as a common criticism of Unix security in literature from the '80s to late '90s). However, unlike Unix, programs weren't written to take advantage of this model, resulting in today's situation where almost everything has to run as Administrator. UAC is not a good fix for this. (FYI--modern Linux can somewhat work around the old Unix problem with tools like sudo and SELinux, though it takes some effort to get them to work right.)
5) Every new Windows release seems to bury certain key options under one more UI element than the last (particularly the network browsing workgroup). Vista continues the trend well past the point of madness.
|
Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
The Space Bastards
|
Posted - 2008.05.09 23:37:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Frezik
)
5) Every new Windows release seems to bury certain key options under one more UI element than the last (particularly the network browsing workgroup). Vista continues the trend well past the point of madness.
Have to agree with you there, as much as a think the new network screens are pretty... make it easier to get to the more detailed versions...took me ages to figure out.
|
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
|
Posted - 2008.05.10 09:23:00 -
[23]
Nothing is wrong with Vista. People are just haters who don't know the whole truth.
Personally I'm looking for aquire a mac osx machine. People whine about the big footprint of Vista. Leopard is no better. Neither is linux. My ubuntu uses 100% memory.
But the trick is that majority of that ram is used for caching. That goes for all of the 3 systems. So the argument that Vista is a memory ***** is totally stupid.
|
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
|
Posted - 2008.05.10 09:23:00 -
[24]
Originally by: Atomos Darksun
Why fix what isn't broken?
Sorry, XP is broken.
The kernel architecture in regards to drivers, is awful 
|
TimMc
Gallente
Genos Occidere
|
Posted - 2008.05.10 10:29:00 -
[25]
Nothing is wrong with Vista. Infact I love it to bigs once that annoying prompt messages were disabled.
But then again I am running 6GB of RAM.
|
Yao Shiu
|
Posted - 2008.05.10 10:47:00 -
[26]
the main thing wrong with vista is...
it's new.
there were no worse problem when xp launched really.
|
Xen Gin
Universal Mining Inc
Forged Dominion
|
Posted - 2008.05.10 10:59:00 -
[27]
Vista corrupted my second hard drive, reinstalled XP and it restored them.
Half of my USB devices like my Camera, Bluetooth, Phone memory card reader no longer have working drivers.
|
4rc4ng3L
Gallente
C R Y O
|
Posted - 2008.05.10 11:23:00 -
[28]
Use vista on all my home comps, love it....
------------------------------------------
- To Jumanji, or not to Jumanji...... - |
Deathhawk
Ore Mongers
Black Hand.
|
Posted - 2008.05.10 11:53:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Xtreem
Vista = Bad
iv worked with vista on a daily basis since release, as i work in IT, there are just sooo many reason alot listed here, but alot not listed here, just short to say it ok if you are a complete novice and buy a pc with vista on, as the things they supply will things that do work with it, if you know anything about computers on a technical level and will change, upgrade "set" things then stay away like the plague
probably why i like it lol cos im a maasive computer novice!!
|
Adonis 4174
|
Posted - 2008.05.10 12:24:00 -
[30]
One major dealbreaker for me is that if you have a high quality digital stereo for sound then it won't work with anything with drm. Headphone socket or nothing.
----
Infiniband can do more than just prevent lag |
| |
|
| Pages: [1] 2 3 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |