The threat an AFK cloaker brings is there, whether he's AFK or not. And you know this. When someone puts a gun to your face without you knowing whether it's loaded or not, doesn't mean there is no threat. The threat is still being projected and you must act as if you are in danger.

27:2 And Ye, thou shall not drop thy cloak, for thine enemies would rapidly come upon thee with all manner of wrath. Rather, be blessed in peace by devout adherence to the tranquility offered by your cloak. May it cycle endlessly, amen

Guys make me safe ALL THE TIME! I hate losing ships to my hideously poor judgement!

0.0 in "supposed to be dangerous" shocker.

Yes it is especially dangerous for the cloaker.

Yes it is especially dangerous for the cloaker.

The problem nobody seems to understand is that just because he is called an "AFK cloaker" doesn't mean he is. He could very well be at his keyboard with a cyno ready to hotdrop your ass. The problem is that you have no way of knowing if he is actually there or not and the only way to find out is go out there and hope you don't get hotdropped. This is creating a false threat just like the OP stated. This illusion of a threat whether it is real or not is still done while AFK and yeilds an advantage in that you are preventing others from safely ratting. Whether the threat is actually there or not is irrellevant! You are effecting the game without being at your keyboard. THAT is the problem. I still don't expect anybody to understand this. But regardless I support the idea of a way to remove the invulnerability in cloaks.

0.0 in "supposed to be dangerous" shocker.

The problem nobody seems to understand is that just because he is called an "AFK cloaker" doesn't mean he is.

This illusion of a threat whether it is real or not is still done while AFK and yeilds an advantage in that you are preventing others from safely ratting.

Yes it is especially dangerous for the cloaker.

agreed, make it dangerous for people who equip covops cloaks

I don't see the problem with this. The alternative is to act as if you are not in danger, which is not really the point of null-sec.

You're reaping high-risk null-sec rewards, so you should have to take some high-risk null-sec precautions against unexpected surprises. By choosing to live in null-sec, you've chosen to live with that gun in your face, that's why they pay you the big dollars. Consider yourself lucky on the days (i.e. most days) when it's not there, rather than put-upon on the days that it is.

You guys keep on asking why the ratters should be able to fly completely safe. Again...you miss the point. Why should the cloaker be 100% safe and absolutely immune to any and all methods of attack?

I can keep this up forever. You keep asking why ratters should be safe and ill keep asking why a cloaker should be safe.

They generate false intel while not playing the game.

Not playing the game should not be rewarded.

You guys keep on asking why the ratters should be able to fly completely safe. Again...you miss the point. Why should the cloaker be 100% safe and absolutely immune to any and all methods of attack?

I can keep this up forever. You keep asking why ratters should be safe and ill keep asking why a cloaker should be safe.

Why should the cloaker be 100% safe and absolutely immune to any and all methods of attack?

I can keep this up forever.

Why should a suicide ganker be safe in high sec? You know he's patrolling belts looking for hulks. Why can't we kill him?

No, everyone understands that.

What we don't understand is why people are so pathologically incapable of protecting themselves in spite of all the tools at their disposal, that a single name in local is enough to send them running for the hills. The AFK cloaker can't do anything GÇö the GÇ£victimGÇ¥ is the only one doing anything and if he doesn't like what he's doing, he can simply stop doing it.

No. What's preventing those people from ratting safely (and we're skipping past the part where I ask you why on earth they should be free to do that) is that they refuse to create any safety for themselves. The AFK cloaker is not a factor in that lack of safety GÇö it's all down to the incompetence of the ratter.

AFK cloaking is not a problem. Ratters' unwillingness to solve their own insecurity is a problem. This is why the ultimate solution to GÇ£AFK cloakingGÇ¥ GÇö the removal of local GÇö is so antithetical to the wishes of those ratters, even though it should be right up their alley.

Yes it is. In particular, if it's not dangerous for the cloaker, then it's completely safe for the ratter too, so he has zero grounds for complaining.

But you cant make a difference between afk and active one the problem arises when afk cloaker goes out for pizza and has possibility to influence a game via generation of false intel with 100% immunity.

If you removed the ridiculously over the top 100% effortless Intel provided by Local chat this wouldn't be an issue. Try as they may to ignore the fact those that whine about "AFK Cloaking" cannot get away from that the underlying problems are caused by Local Chat which they cling to like a dung beetle to fresh piece of crap.

As to risk... Ships while under a cloak can do pretty much the same as someone In a POS shield, where's your threads to nerf that?

Cov Ops ships are all weak compared to non cloaked varieties of ships, and if it's hotdrops you have an issue with make a nerf Cyno's thread not cloaks.

No i am against people going out for pizza and them having satisfaction of putting entire system in "high alert"

You cant die to afk cloaker since he is afk soGǪ

But you cant make a difference between afk and active one the problem arises when afk cloaker goes out for pizza and has possibility to influence a game via generation of false intel with 100% immunity.

Stop projecting your own beliefs and use your brain for a moment