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JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.04 09:33:00 -
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They generate false intel while not playing the game.
Not playing the game should not be rewarded. |

Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
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Posted - 2012.03.04 09:36:00 -
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Crying botter spotted. Also: coward hiding behind an alt spotted. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Dark Matter Coalition
929
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Posted - 2012.03.04 09:40:00 -
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It's not, they don't earn anything.
And the same phrase can be thrown back at you, if your a botter especially so, if not then of course you shouldn't be rewarded for stopping all operations cause a velator with a cloak is hanging out with you =D
People have defense fleets for a reason.
Honestly, it baffles me why 0.0 groups don't have a fleet 24/7.
"But that would be boring!"
Then you rat and run plexs! Problem solved. It's a win-win, make money, always defended [8)] The Drake is a Lie |

JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.03.04 09:41:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Crying botter spotted.
If i was a botter i would be banned few days ago.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5215
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Posted - 2012.03.04 09:45:00 -
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Buff bravery and intelligence of ratters.
Not playing the game is already not rewarded. Generating false intel is the only way to combat a broken intel system GÇö until that intel system is fixed, the means to combat it must remain. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |

JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.03.04 09:46:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:It's not, they don't earn anything.
Yes they do ,in a sense they change behavior of other players via generating false intel while not playing a game.
Xercodo wrote: And the same phrase can be thrown back at you, if your a botter especially so, if not then of course you shouldn't be rewarded for stopping all operations cause a velator with a cloak is hanging out with you =D
Again if i was a bot i would have been banned for 14?? days.
Xercodo wrote: People have defense fleets for a reason.
How do you defend against false intele generation. Not even a fleet of supercaps can accomplish that.
Xercodo wrote:It's not, they don't earn anything. Honestly, it baffles me why 0.0 groups don't have a fleet 24/7.
"But that would be boring!"
Look above
Xercodo wrote:Then you rat and run plexs! Problem solved. It's a win-win, make money, always defended  Why afk players is rewarded of changing my behavior that suits him while not playing the game ??? |

baltec1
757
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Posted - 2012.03.04 09:46:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Crying botter spotted.
If i was a botter i would be banned few days ago.
Oh how I wish CCP got them all.
Also grow a spine. |

JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.03.04 09:49:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:
Oh how I wish CCP got them all.
Also grow a spine.
You sir are lacking fundamental logic skill. I never said ratting should be allowed in a complete safety. As for me CCP could even remove local, that would ifx the problem i am describing also.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5216
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Posted - 2012.03.04 09:49:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Xercodo wrote:It's not, they don't earn anything. Yes they do ,in a sense they change behavior of other players via generating false intel while not playing a game. GǪwhich isn't the same as earning anything.
Quote:How do you defend against false intele generation. By taking precautions and not being completely dependent on a single intel system for all your decisions.
Quote:Why afk players is rewarded of changing my behavior that suits him while not playing the game ??? He's not. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |

JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.03.04 09:51:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Buff bravery and intelligence of ratters.
Not playing the game is already not rewarded. Generating false intel is the only way to combat a broken intel system .
Those two sentences are excluding each other.
You are either not rewarded or you generate false intel , you cant have both.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
773
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Posted - 2012.03.04 09:52:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:
Not playing the game should not be rewarded.
I know, right.
Like getting SP when not logged in.
It's a travesty, I tell you!
Mr Epeen 
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |

Bischopt
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
81
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Posted - 2012.03.04 09:52:00 -
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It's a sandbox, you can sit still all day if you want to. |

Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Dark Matter Coalition
929
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Posted - 2012.03.04 09:53:00 -
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Afk cloakers don't have any tangible benefits from being an afk cloaker
Creating false intel for you gives him nothing
I suggested a defense fleet because you could start treating that false intel as potentially true.
Or am I wrong in assuming that you don't call in a fleet when a potential neut/red that can do a cyno sneaks into a system...
The Drake is a Lie |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5216
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Posted - 2012.03.04 09:54:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Those two sentences are excluding each other. Those are three sentences, just fyi.
Quote:You are either not rewarded or you generate false intel Those two are not mutually exclusive. Generating false intel is not a reward, and either way, being AFK is unrelated to both.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |

baltec1
757
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Posted - 2012.03.04 09:55:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Tippia wrote:Buff bravery and intelligence of ratters.
Not playing the game is already not rewarded. Generating false intel is the only way to combat a broken intel system . Those two sentences are excluding each other. You are either not rewarded or you generate false intel , you cant have both.
People reporting him generate the intel. AFK cloakies pose no threat and do nothing, much like people afk in a pos or station. |

Ai Shun
333
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Posted - 2012.03.04 09:56:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:As for me CCP could even remove local, that would ifx the problem i am describing also.
Then your problem can be solved quite easily by minimizing your local window. The AFK cloaker will still be there; but you won't see him so you can do exactly what you're doing now without knowing if he is there or not.
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Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
634
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Posted - 2012.03.04 09:58:00 -
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Yea, propably he dosn't use them and don't want other to do that.  |

JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.03.04 09:58:00 -
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Tippia wrote:. Generating false intel is not a reward, and either way, being AFK is unrelated to both.
Of course it is a reward. IF there wouldn't be any, they wouldn't be there in the first place.
What you are sying is AFK cloakers sits in systems all days because they are not rewarded in any way ????? |

JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.03.04 10:00:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: People reporting him generate the intel. AFK cloakies pose no threat and do nothing, much like people afk in a pos or station.
Yes but if you had basic reading skills you would see that threat of AFK cloaker is not an issue in this topic only his influence on behavior of other players while not playing the game.
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Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Dark Matter Coalition
929
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Posted - 2012.03.04 10:02:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote: Of course it is a reward. IF there wouldn't be any, they wouldn't be there in the first place.
Really? Cause I don't help newbs for reward nor do I necessarily fly lolfits for reward.
False intel generation isn't the reward, it's the fact that you're crying about it is =D
The Drake is a Lie |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5216
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Posted - 2012.03.04 10:06:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Of course it is a reward. IF they wouldn't be any, they wouldn't be there in the first place. No, it's not.
The GÇ£rewardGÇ¥ is the ratters deciding to not use their brains and just go into hiding, which is not something given to the AFK cloaker just because he AFK cloaks. The GÇ£rewardGÇ¥ is something the ratters choose and you can't blame the cloaker for their stupidity and general uselessness. They are in full control over whether they want to GÇ£rewardGÇ¥ the cloaker for his (in)activity. More to the point the GÇ£rewardGÇ¥ is not a reward GÇö it's a self-imposed loss for the ratters.
The cloaker is not being rewarded for not playing the game. The generation of false intel is not a reward. Your entire premise is completely nonsensical.
Quote:What you are sying is AFK cloakers sits in systems all days because they are not rewarded in any way ????? No. I'm saying that they're sitting in systems all day because he hopes the opponent will be a useless idiot who chooses to punish himself. The AFK cloaker does nothing and wins nothing. He's not being rewarded.
Quote:[the] threat of AFK cloaker is not an issue in this topic only his influence on behavior of other players while not playing the game. GǪwhich is a complete non-issue since this kind of influence is an inherent part of the game. It is also a complete non-issue because it is outside of the AFK cloaker's control GÇö it's something the other players choose to do for no particular reason aside from their being incompetent. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |

baltec1
757
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Posted - 2012.03.04 10:06:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:
Yes but if you had basic reading skills you would see that threat of AFK cloaker is not an issue in this topic only his influence on behavior of other players while not playing the game.
Its not his fault people are cowards who hide from a name in local. |

JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.03.04 10:09:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote: Of course it is a reward. IF there wouldn't be any, they wouldn't be there in the first place.
Really? Cause I don't help newbs for reward nor do I necessarily fly lolfits for reward.
So you are doing all this stuff to punish your-self ??? Are you a masochist ?
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Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Dark Matter Coalition
929
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Posted - 2012.03.04 10:13:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Xercodo wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote: Of course it is a reward. IF there wouldn't be any, they wouldn't be there in the first place.
Really? Cause I don't help newbs for reward nor do I necessarily fly lolfits for reward. So you are doing all this stuff to punish your-self ??? Are you a masochist ?
Well, I guess the feeling if accomplishment from helping newbs as well as the fun in flying lolfits could be reward.
Do they count? lol
I would also like to site the entire market system, contracts, and PI as "reward for not playing". The Drake is a Lie |

Taresh Quickfingers
Radiant Technologies Sanctuary Pact
0
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Posted - 2012.03.04 10:16:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:
Not playing the game should not be rewarded.
I know, right. Like getting SP when not logged in. It's a travesty, I tell you! Mr Epeen  We should get SP based on rat kills and ore refined! |

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
246
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Posted - 2012.03.04 10:30:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:They generate false intel while not playing the game.
Not playing the game should not be rewarded.
You:
Uninstall.
Now.
E: Oh, and just by the bye, if he's A/F/K, then how exactly is he a threat? In irae, veritas. |

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
246
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Posted - 2012.03.04 10:43:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:
[craven cowardice]
Why afk players is rewarded of changing my behavior that suits him while not playing the game ???
He's not changing your behaviour.
You're letting your own fear do that rather better than any cloaked paper aeroplane with RELLY BEEG MISSULZORS (TM) gaffer-strapped onto it ever could. After all, he's A/F/K, isn't he? You just said so! [/facetious]
Grow a spine, or go back to hisec.
In irae, veritas. |

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
246
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Posted - 2012.03.04 10:47:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Solstice Project wrote:
Oh how I wish CCP got them all.
Also grow a spine.
You sir are lacking fundamental logic skill. I never said ratting should be allowed in a complete safety. As for me CCP could even remove local, that would ifx the problem i am describing also.
You didn't have to explicitly say it--it's so bloody obvious that that's exactly what you want and feel entitled to, that it's not even funny.
Ugh...
::nullbears::   
In irae, veritas. |

Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
139
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Posted - 2012.03.04 10:49:00 -
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Remove Local Chat Intel! |

JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.03.04 11:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Of course it is a reward. IF they wouldn't be any, they wouldn't be there in the first place. No, it's not. The GÇ£rewardGÇ¥ is the ratters deciding to not use their brains and just go into hiding, which is not something given to the AFK cloaker just because he AFK cloaks. The GÇ£rewardGÇ¥ is something the ratters choose and you can't blame the cloaker for their stupidity and general uselessness. They are in full control over whether they want to GÇ£rewardGÇ¥ the cloaker for his (in)activity. More to the point the GÇ£rewardGÇ¥ is not a reward GÇö it's a self-imposed loss for the ratters.
Forcing the ratter to use his brain(or dock) is a successful change in a behavior via no effort.
" it's a self-imposed loss for the ratters." Grifieng is a part of the game thus often someone else's loss is someone else's reward. It is a fundamental EVE characteristic.
"This self imposed loss" is successfully forced via being afk.
Your logic goes like this. If something is a threat and person chose to mitigate the risk it it this persons fault.
Tippia wrote: The cloaker is not being rewarded for not playing the game. The generation of false intel is not a reward.
Yes it is. Someone else's loss is someone else's reward.
Tippia wrote:No. I'm saying that they're sitting in systems all day because he hopes the opponent will be a useless idiot who chooses to punish himself. The AFK cloaker does nothing and wins nothing. He's not being rewarded. So he has ability to grief while being AFK. Your point taken.
Tippia wrote:It is also a complete non-issue because it is outside of the AFK cloaker's control GÇö it's something the other players choose to do for no particular reason aside from their being incompetent.
Of course it is in his control. If we wasn't shown in local there would be no issue. Other player would not be put into position to choose between ( using brain , docking , moving somewhere else etc.) |
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