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BLackWitchie
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Posted - 2004.04.29 19:19:00 -
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hello is anyone having this so far i have trained empathy 3 times today and it keeps unlearning it self and going back to lvl 1, am i the only one that is getting this?
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Moah
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Posted - 2004.04.29 19:25:00 -
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Edited by: Moah on 29/04/2004 19:26:10
Do you wrote a bug report or another petition?
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BLackWitchie
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Posted - 2004.04.29 19:26:00 -
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yeah i petitioned, i just wondered if anyone else has had this its driving me nuts, it think it unlearned heavy missiles lvl three as well :(
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HalfLoaf
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Posted - 2004.04.29 19:29:00 -
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a friend of mine lost caldari frigate level 2 completely and the 9 hours or so overnight she had level 3 going , thats gone as well , also 1 hour of electronics level 3 .. i think she petitioned but has heard nothing yet
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.29 19:31:00 -
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Train Instant Recall and you'll stop "forgetting" them 
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
BLackWitchie
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Posted - 2004.04.29 19:33:00 -
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now its says that i have lvl 2 trained but my charimas still at what it was before, its just odd. i must be getting old keep forgetting things !
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svetlana
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Posted - 2004.04.29 19:36:00 -
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usually when you see skill levels disappear or 'unlearn' it is a graphical bug, and can be fixed by closing re-opening the character sheet, or relogging the character.
if the skills still do not display properly after that, then petition it as 'other' category since you will not hear back from ccp if you petition it as a 'bug' (and thus you will not get any help if you report it that way). fyi: as a policy bug reports do not ever get a response- the other types of petition do get response.
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BLackWitchie
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Posted - 2004.04.29 19:39:00 -
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ok i just relogged and now the skill is not trained at all, i have two evemails for empathy lvl 1 and one for lvl2. ill try petitioning under other thanks.
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Zeltan Shadowhawk
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Posted - 2004.04.29 19:54:00 -
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I thought I was just imagining things when I trained spatial awareness to 1, then went to train it up to the next level and it was untrained.
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2004.04.29 19:59:00 -
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try deleteing your cache folder or temporarily renaming it or somethin.
5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers..
Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer.
My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period.
Expires on 19. September 2004 |
BLackWitchie
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Posted - 2004.04.29 20:04:00 -
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seems to have fixed its self now, woooo, thanks for all your help :)
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Sonjeir
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Posted - 2004.04.29 20:08:00 -
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This has happened to me a couple times but despite what it says I never actuall lost anything off the skills. Sometime relogging would fix the display but the only thing that permenantly worked was training a few points into the next level then aborting.
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Oori
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Posted - 2004.04.29 20:24:00 -
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This happened to me last night with medium energy turret. Got level 1, was training level 2 and about 45 mins later I get a 2nd evemail telling me "Skill training of Medium Energy Turret level 1 completed." I was in the process of getting a screenshot of the evemail/character screen when the game was unexpectedly rebooting - and I couldn't pull up the description of the evemail.
I figure I only lost about an hour of training so I decided not to petition anything (esp. in light of the fact that I had no "proof.")
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BLackWitchie
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Posted - 2004.04.29 20:35:00 -
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the only proof i have is that i have two eve mails with seprete times on it but for the sake of like an hour it isnt worth it either :)
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XpoHoc
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Posted - 2004.04.29 20:47:00 -
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Yeah, I know that... happens to me when I smoke good stuff.
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mafish
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Posted - 2004.04.29 21:30:00 -
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happened to me earlyer i was taring a skill to use something it took 10 mins so i waited it finished gotthe eve mail great i went to put it on and it said i didnt have the skill so i logged back in and it still wasnt trained so i trained it again this time it worked and i have 2 emails 10 apart saying compleat
i think this is ccp's new was of making pierating even harder 
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Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.04.29 21:35:00 -
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happened to me too and the petition answer said I was wrong and implied I was cheeting. Corp mate of mine also lost her indy skill, while flying the indy, and it still took 3 days to convince the GMs that she had learned it even though they had to move her to a station because she couldn't fly her ship anymore.
I don't think the Devs want that kinda bug getting out becuase while most bugs just blow your stuff up or annoy you, loseing skills would make the game unplayable and if it EVER happens to me again AND they don't fix it I know what I'll do :)
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kieron
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Posted - 2004.04.29 23:54:00 -
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This is a known issue, but it didn't make the Known Issue list for some reason. As was stated by others in this thread, closing and re-opening the character sheet generally refreshes the graphics. Logging out and back into the game also fixes the glitch. It will be taken care of in the future.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2004.04.30 01:51:00 -
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Nope..
I opened/closed the Character Sheet.
I Relogged
I Deleted the cache folder
Yup.. Major Problem!!!
I just went from 20hours to completion for Learning lvl5, switched skills for 2 hours, came back to Learning lvl5, and it's now at 4days 6hours tell completion.
Nothing worked.. I could reinstall and this thing will still say i'm out 3days and 10hours..
Guess we will wait tell downtime and see what happens..
My skill should finish training around noon tomorrow for me. Even though right now it says 4days and 6hours.
NOTE: Even the EVE-Online WEB page says I have 4days and 6hours left on Learning lvl5.
This is totally false.. I know for a fact i've been training this skill all week. I deliberately interrupted the training at 20 hours. So that I could start it up again at a time where it would ultimately finish while i'm online.
But everywhere I look points to a chilling fact. I lost 3days and 10hours of training.
5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers..
Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer.
My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period.
Expires on 19. September 2004 |
Axyom
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Posted - 2004.04.30 02:40:00 -
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Edited by: Axyom on 30/04/2004 02:41:54
Yup, I'm experiencing this too, and it is NOT just a graphics bug. I trained Empathy to level 1, got the Evemail saying that I had trained to level 1, and it still says level 0 with 0 points on my char sheet. Closing the char sheet and relogging did not resolve it. I had to train it again before it took. Looks like CCP managed to screw the pooch pretty badly this time.
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Ulendar
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Posted - 2004.04.30 02:51:00 -
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 Originally by: kieron
This is a known issue, but it didn't make the Known Issue list for some reason. As was stated by others in this thread, closing and re-opening the character sheet generally refreshes the graphics. Logging out and back into the game also fixes the glitch. It will be taken care of in the future.
That is not the issue here kieron...
Its not just a gfx glitch at all. I have the same issue on one of my characters but fortunitly for me the skills seem to become 'static' after downtime. Every skill i train between downtimes will continue to 'reset' itself to lvl 0. This is not just an error in the character sheet but it actually AFFECT modules and values relating to this skill. Acceleration control for example kept going back to lvl 0 eventhough i had trained it to lvl 2. More specifically the skills seemed to reset itself after each session change. My AB's would go back to 35% boost instead of the correct 38.5 with AC lvl 2.
I am almost 100% positive that i last about 4 houres of training on my friagte lvl 4 skill aswell. It was due to finish over night but didnt for some reason..i'm not entirely sure about this however but i have a very strong feeling that that skill took longer then it should have..perhaps one of my learning skill reset over night or something. In any case, this is affecting ingame modules and not so its not just a display bug, also its my firm believe that in sertain cases, training time will get lost due to this....very annoying.
Needs fixing!
Originally by: cashman
It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this.
It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
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Angry Dan
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Posted - 2004.04.30 02:54:00 -
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I had exactly the same problem.
Trained Sheild management to L4, swapped to train Trajectory Analysis 1, and guess what, when I restarted shield management, it was back to 3 days 19 hours for trainging. I lost a day's training, but the skill restarted slightly ahead of it's original point (I know, like the saddo I am, I have list with times for the skills I'm training). It's annoying, because I would have been ready to go the Teddy Bears Picnic myself and a few 'carebear' friends of mine have planned for this weekend.
Down into 0.0 alliance space.
One small fleet versus ever poor fool we can find.
And his mates :)
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Axyom
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Posted - 2004.04.30 02:54:00 -
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Well, it just happened again. I trained social to level 2, and guess what - its still at level 1.
Hint to CCP - This is *NOT* the correct way to aquire new customers or keep existing ones.
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Daakkon
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Posted - 2004.04.30 05:52:00 -
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Originally by: Axyom
Well, it just happened again. I trained social to level 2, and guess what - its still at level 1.
Hint to CCP - This is *NOT* the correct way to aquire new customers or keep existing ones.
stfu newb
try coding the game yourself
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Falbala
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Posted - 2004.04.30 06:35:00 -
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You need to do quit game and come back to fix it. At least it worked for me .
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Ice Dohan
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Posted - 2004.04.30 06:51:00 -
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I think there is TWO problems. A graphic one, and a serious one. The graphic one is corrected by closing/reopening the character sheet or the game it self.
However, the serious problem seems to happen when you train a skill, and all is apparently doing well, BUT I think in fact the server didnt took your command, and so you are NOT training any skill. As long as you stay on the same skill, you will think all is doing well because the info in your cache say you started training. However when you change skill training, you will receive new information from the server, and it will appear that no sp was earned in your skill because the server never received your command.
Well, its only supposition, but it would explain the bug we have. I personnaly experienced the two bugs (and I'm almost certain its two separate bugs).
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Falbala
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Posted - 2004.04.30 06:53:00 -
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I meant closing character sheet didnt work, going to logging screen didn't work but quit game fixed it.
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HalfLoaf
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Posted - 2004.04.30 08:25:00 -
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I have spoken to my friend again and she has tried all the tips given , closing re-opening character sheet , re-logging , deleting cache etc , still the same . this is no graphical bug , she did mention that she had no problem up until the cluster dropped her the other night , then after that it went a bit pear shaped .
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Rodge
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Posted - 2004.04.30 10:43:00 -
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This does seem like a fairly serious bug that hit me last night.
I bought a Blackbird because I wanted to go out and try some funky things like shield hardners with all the med slots the ship affords me.
So I bought Tactical Shield Manipulation and set it to learning. When I had got 890 skill points, I bought a few new skills, set to train them (to get them in my character sheet) then went back to tac shield manip. Soon after, tac shield level 1 was learned  The graphics looked good and I got an eve-mail about it.
So I tried to fit a Photon Scattering field. Error - you need Tac shield manip I. Hmmm, I changed my skill to try and train to level 2 on tac shield. Nope, back to 891 skill points? OK, no biggie, maybe a glitch, so I trained it to level 1, got the message, got the eve-mail. Things look good again. Start another skill training, back to fitting and try to put tac shield manip on. Nope, error again???
So now I've learned it twice. I relog, thinking this would fix it. I set it to learn again, get to level 1, get the message and eve-mail and try to fit the hardener. Success! Fitted another hardenere and make my way to .4 space to hunt rats with my hardeners to help me.
Or so I thought....
I take the ship to a belt, get into combat. Thunderbolt missiles coming in, activate my Photon Scattering shield hardener. Error - You need tac shield manip I???? Suffice to say, my BB did not survive 
Another relog, trained it again and it now seems to have "caught". But I trained it 4 times, only kept 2 of the eve-mails though as i usually automatically delete them.
So it's not a case that you haven't learned the skill. For a brief period of time, you have learned it, otherwise it wouldn't have let me fit the hardener. But it seems to unlearn it for you and take you back to a cached state for your character?
For me, it was most of a night's gameplay gone between me travelling about picking up equipment for the ship, then travelling to a suitable system to test, then my travel back home in an Ibis. Not to mention the cost of equipment and 60% value on a BB. I know that I'll be really annoyed if it messes up my Missile Op V training I'm doing at the minute like this. It's something that is definitely happening to people and I see it as something that's fairly critical to fix. After all, Eve is all about your skills!
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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csebal
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Posted - 2004.04.30 11:29:00 -
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I have a friend who lost a complete skill to this bug. It just disappeared. Not on web, not in game, not working at all.
I wonder how many skills i forget daily, mayb i should start to keep track of em (have about 90 different ones atm)
doh. I really hope they find a way to cure this soon, as its quite annoying ;)
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Ari Kristinn
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Posted - 2004.04.30 11:44:00 -
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Been happening to me too in only the last week, never happend before.
Trained Lab opperation for a day or so and then changed to train some other skill, when i resumed it was still 3 days from completion.
But that was a graphics glitch i think as when i changed skills training again it was back down to 2 days.
But when i was training navigation and evasive manouvering i trained evasive to lvl 1 then went to navigation, but noticed that i had 0 pts in evasive, i went back to train that and trained it to lvl 1 again i stuck around, same thing happend when training to lvl 2 yesterday i think.
I just presumed it was some sort of a graphics glitch at the time and since it wasnt some 30 days of skill training it didnt/doesnt bother me :P
Might be something worth looking into though.
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Axyom
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Posted - 2004.04.30 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Daakkon
Originally by: Axyom
Well, it just happened again. I trained social to level 2, and guess what - its still at level 1.
Hint to CCP - This is *NOT* the correct way to aquire new customers or keep existing ones.
stfu newb
try coding the game yourself
It always amazes me that fanboys such as Daakkon can play this game, which is ALL about economics and profit, and fail to realize that CCP is running a BUSINESS. That's right, we pay them to play. They are not doing me a favor by coding the game and letting me play. I am paying them for a combination of product and service, and there is a problem with their merchandise which I would like to see addressed.
Once you realize this, I think that its fairly clear which one of us is the "newb".
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Armin Chamberlain
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Posted - 2004.04.30 14:14:00 -
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Yeah really, Daakkon, you got issues!
btw,..same problem here only since yesterday. Lost a couple of hours,too. |
Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2004.04.30 16:28:00 -
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It's now after downtime and my skill says 3days 14hours when it should be down to it's final 2.5hours.
So what now?
5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers..
Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer.
My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period.
Expires on 19. September 2004 |
Madchen
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Posted - 2004.04.30 17:03:00 -
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I'm playing on the 14-day trial sent out to beta testers. Overall, I've been very impressed how much Eve has been fixed and grown since beta...until this bug showed up, again. This was one of the ugliest bugs in beta. It droved testers furious, and CCP's response was slow and unhelpful.
Up until the reappearance of this bug I was planning on subscribing once my 14 days were up. Now, I doubt I will. It will be a sad note after I finish my 14 days for the write-up to be: "So much has changed for the better, yet some of the worst has stayed the same."
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Tano
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Posted - 2004.04.30 19:16:00 -
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Just to say this also happened to me. Training evasive manoevering level 5 with 22 hours to go. Switched to another skill so it didn't finish at an inconvenient time, switched back, 2 days and 22 hours to go. Assumed it was a display bug but when I came back next day still over 2 days to go.
Petitioned an awaiting a response, not hopeful as no evidence.
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Vaco
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Posted - 2004.04.30 19:24:00 -
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Edited by: Vaco on 30/04/2004 19:30:24
Originally by: Ice Dohan
, BUT I think in fact the server didnt took your command, and so you are NOT training any skill. As long as you stay on the same skill, you will think all is doing well because the info in your cache say you started training. However when you change skill training, you will receive new information from the server, and it will appear that no sp was earned in your skill because the server never received your command.
Well, its only supposition, but it would explain the bug we have. I personnaly experienced the two bugs (and I'm almost certain its two separate bugs).
I would agree that it is two seperate bugs, but I think your reasoning is wrong. The server does infact know that you are traning a skill because it issues the email to your account saying that said skill is completed. Assuming that the client does not have the ability to issue emails to itself, it is definatly a server side problem. And if it continues to grow.....
*edit* I also think that with so many people posting about this they might go through and look to see who is telling the truth and who is full of ****. It is kinda hard to believe that someone got out of dock and flew a ship for 24 hours that they did not have a skill for.
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Valan
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Posted - 2004.04.30 19:38:00 -
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I lost large projectile level last night :(
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Valan
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Posted - 2004.04.30 19:38:00 -
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I lost large projectile level last night :(
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Inconstant Moon
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Posted - 2004.04.30 20:07:00 -
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there has been an awful lot of traffic on Help today about this.
a significant feature of this bug is receiving the training-complete evemail. if the server is dispatching those, this cannot be merely a client-side or visual bug.
possibly, players are misinterpreting their evemails but that seems unlikely - we're all used to to the various skill bugs by now, and of course we double-check and relog and wait till downtime et cetera.
some clarification/investigation would be appreciated. thanks!
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2004.04.30 20:46:00 -
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Yesterday.. Around 20:00GMT..
I was at exactly 20hours to completion of Learning lvl 5.
Like always. I figured out where I would be in 20hours. Because I want to be EVE Online when my skill completes. Right?
Well it turned out that in 20hours I would be fast asleep.
So... I switched to another skill for a couple hours. That way later on I could go back to Learning lvl 5, it would have 20hours left, and I would actually be up and able to start training another skill when it completed.
But when I went back to finish Learning lvl 5. Tragedy struck. Instead of saying 20hours tell completion. It now said 4days 6hours tell completion.
I went through the normal routine. I closed the character sheet and reopened it, I relogged, I cleared my cache, and I checked the EVE-Online.com WEB page.. Everything said 4days 6hours.
The Polaris helpers assured me that my skill was actually right on track.. He said it was ready to complete in around 20hours. So even though it said 4days 6hours, I left it alone and went to bed later on that evening.
The next day I get out of bed.. This is well past the scheduled downtime. And the skill still says 3days 14hours tell completion..
So I switched skills.. Then came back to Learning lvl 5 again. Now instead of 3days 14hours, it goes to 15hours tell completion.
This is alot better.. But it was supposed to be finished by now. Not 15hours from now.
It's like I wasn't training anything at all during my sleep.
And this isn't a glitch.. I REALLY do have 15hours still before it's complete.
So...
A skill that was supposed to complete in 20 hours 24hours ago still has 15hours left.
5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers..
Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer.
My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period.
Expires on 19. September 2004 |
CrazedMutha
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Posted - 2004.04.30 21:08:00 -
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I had this bug too.
I trained Missle Operation to lvl 4, and had 19 hours left on it. Next thing I know I had 1 day and 5 hours left.
So I switched learning to another skill, then switched back and the problem seemed to correct itself.
My advice would be to switch skills and back, if this doesn't solve the problem then learn another skill for a while and wait for it to correct itself.
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Angry Dan
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Posted - 2004.04.30 21:19:00 -
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48 hours, no answer to the petition I placed. I wonder if it's been read yet.
Could a GM please tell us the current average turnaround on petitions please.
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Fear my kneepads of allure!
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Axyom
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Posted - 2004.04.30 21:25:00 -
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For that matter, could a GM please post something on the boards at least indicating that CCP is aware of the problem and working on a fix?
What is it that makes MMO(rp)G companies unable to communicate with their clients, anyway?
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Spedge
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Posted - 2004.04.30 22:24:00 -
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Having the same problem here.
I've had to relearn Instant Recall level 1 twice (Irony huh?) and the times I've had for my other skills are different every 5 minutes it seems, ranging for 20 mins to 16mins and 10 seconds.
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Falbala
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Posted - 2004.05.01 05:03:00 -
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It just happened on my alt... She had one skill training imminent and she was training another skill at the same time...
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Falbala
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Posted - 2004.05.01 06:20:00 -
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awesome.. now she learns two skills at the same time...
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Faster ThanJesus
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Posted - 2004.05.01 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Falbala
awesome.. now she learns two skills at the same time...
Ah exploit
This problem is afflicting a number of people in my corp (and I had a minor case of this myself) - please could we have a response.
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Aboath Greydroggen
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Posted - 2004.05.01 13:14:00 -
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Edited by: Aboath Greydroggen on 01/05/2004 14:27:05
Have the bug aswell.,,
deleted.
NM relogging fixed my prob so gues i only had the graphic bug
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DrPhil
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Posted - 2004.05.01 14:51:00 -
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I had a similiar problem. I trained a skill to level 1 then level 2 and had just started to train to level 3 (was 10 minutes into training) when I got an evemail saying level 1 had completed and I was back to level 1.
Weird thing is I have a evemail saying level 2 was complete at 10:12 and 10 minutes later at 10:22 I have an evemail saying level 1 is complete.
Tried relogging/waiting over dt and even checking the web site.. All say it is level 1 not level 3.
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hatchette
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Posted - 2004.05.01 15:00:00 -
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I got same problem... i just switched learning to some other X skill and back.. and everything was ok.
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Villium Ezeart
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Posted - 2004.05.01 15:48:00 -
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Edited by: Villium Ezeart on 01/05/2004 15:51:07
LOL! Posting screenshots of bugs rulez, Maybe now youll get a more timely responce for its fix. Aside from the basic fun of this game, skill training time is the bread and butter of CCP. If anything, this type of a bug is CCP exploiting you and your wallet. By the way, did it say you hade two skills in training under the learning header?
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Origim
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Posted - 2004.05.01 16:03:00 -
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Edited by: Origim on 01/05/2004 16:08:46
I'm 100% positive I had connections L1 yestrday, and put it to train to l2 over night. Now I look at the website skill list...
Connections / Rank 3 / SP: 750 of 4243 level [[*][][][][]]
*- indicates flashing square
> currently training to level 1 / training complete
I better not find this when I log in.....
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DrPhil
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Posted - 2004.05.01 16:57:00 -
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I am sure there are two bugs as well. The graphical one which they know about is harmless. But the one where you drop a level is not so harmless. I have spoken to others and I believe the chain of events to be:
1. Train a skill to level 1.
2. Get Evemail saying level 1 is complete
3. Train a skill to level 2.
4. Get Evemail saying level 2 is complete
5. Train a skill to level 3.
6. During the training another Evemail is sent saying that the skill has been trained to level 1 and your skill is reset to that level.
Relogging, switching skills to another skill then back again, aborting training and restarting training and even logging on after DT does not fix it. The web site says you are at level 1 as well. I have tried mine on 2 pc's and both of them are saying my skill is level 1. So unlike the grpahical bug I do not believe this is a client side glitch.
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Origim
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Posted - 2004.05.01 17:42:00 -
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Warning! Space-Time anomaly detected! EvE mail affected!
Otherwise, how could I train the same skill to level one twice? It should be level 2 by now.
2004.04.30 23:15:00
Training of the skill Connections to level 1 has been completed
2004.05.01 00:38:00
Training of the skill Connections to level 1 has been completed
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Posting Efficiency / Rank 1 / SP: 68542 of 256000 |
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Hawlor Aron
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Posted - 2004.05.01 18:27:00 -
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I got this too. Can't train Electronics. Fix it god damnit!
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Phoenixgurl
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Posted - 2004.05.01 18:40:00 -
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omg almost happened to me. Got the graphic bug. Next one is the real one I guess, FIX IT DAMMIT. |
Angry Dan
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Posted - 2004.05.01 19:41:00 -
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Wow.
Fast and informative response so far. I'm mostly offline whilst upgrading, but I'm still waiting.
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Fear my kneepads of allure!
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