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Hana Kokoro Kaika Sensaku	Posted - 2008.05.12 19:46:00 - [1] Speech of Otro Gariushi, Ceo of Ishukone It comes as no surprise that Otro Gariushi, CEO of the Ishukone Megacorp of the Liberal Faction, has denounced the war-mongering racist, Tibus Heth. Since becoming Chief Executive Officer of Ishukone a few years ago, Otro Gariushi has put the needs of the State, the needs of the Caldari people, before the Megacorp, fulfilling the pledge of his inaugural speech, and so it was no surprise that Ishukone administered systems were spared the civil disorder of a week or so ago. I encourage all Caldari who wish to end this disgraceful period of race hate and violence to support the Ishukone and to distance themselves from the brutish, blood stained ranting of Tibus Heth and whoever it is who funds him and pulls his strings ( if he will ever condescend to tell us that, but perhaps he doesn't think it is of any importance to the Caldari people). I would also encourage those outside the State to support the Ishukone and the wider Liberal Faction in this matter, thus to prevent further suffering, bring the culprits to justice and restore peace and prosperity to the regions disturbed.
Sylvain Lemieux	Posted - 2008.05.12 19:54:00 - [2] The finest of words. Let them ring out across the nations and let the citizens of every state heed them. Mr Gariushi I salute you.
Lhasa Arlen Amarr Trance Guild	Posted - 2008.05.12 19:55:00 - [3] I must say that Mr. Gariushi's remarks were well received by myself and, I'm sure, by others who have endeavored to give back to the workers their due for expending their energies for a corporation. I hope that cooler heads will prevail and the violence ends.
Kohiko Sun Caldari Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.05.12 19:57:00 - [4] CEO Gariushi speaks true for us. May everyone live in his example. It is uplifting to know the proper ways are not being forgotten in this time of insanity. This is where I found my sig.
Garion Avarr Amarr Zero Zero Traders YTMND.	Posted - 2008.05.12 20:00:00 - [5] His words are very welcome. I can only hope that they are heeded, and perhaps that those of other races might follow in the same example. War is the last thing any of the empires need now, it would be bad for all -- if only that simple fact could unite the empires at this time when they are so divided. Though it seems that either the translator or the reporter made a mistake in rendering 'Caldari' as 'Caldarians.' ________________________________ This is not a signature.
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.12 20:03:00 - [6] A great man, and far more eloquent than I could ever hope to be. I'm proud to hail from a family that has worked for his corporation since its foundation. - Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.05.12 20:10:00 - [7] I'm not sure what to say. Once this man was my enemy, but truer words have seldom been spoken recently. Now I don't really know what to think. At least, to this, the Caldari people should listen. Ghost Festival is recruiting.
Swift Wind 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.12 20:17:00 - [8] As a long time member of the Ishukone Watch we are very happy with this statement, and as usuall fully support the Corp in all it's endeavors. Anywhere, Anytime.
Svetlana Scarlet Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.05.12 20:44:00 - [9] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda At least, to this, the Caldari people should listen. On this, I believe, the two of us can agree. While the Reserve has no official statement at this time, I can say that personally, as an Ishukone citizen, I am proud of the fact that it is Otro Gariushi who has made this first effort to end the self-destructive violence that has gripped the State in the last day. If Ms. Sakoda and I can find common ground, something truly spectacular has transpired. -- CAPT Svetlana Scarlet CAIN Chief of Diplomatic Staff
Gorion Wassenar Caldari Stimulus	Posted - 2008.05.12 21:19:00 - [10] Now those are the words of a true patriot. ----- results may vary
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.05.12 21:19:00 - [11] Mixed Metaphor would like to express its utmost praise for this man and his words - we have always expounded the virtues of the Liberal faction and the good it has done for relationships between the State and the Federation. Mr. Gariushi, if you are reading this, then you have my utmost best wishes for you and your company. You are a great man, blessed with immense courage to say such things even when you know that these words will be unpopular with some elements. An envoy will be sent to Malkanen with a personally-written letter of thanks from myself and a small gift. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander
Kudon Astraisx Minmatar 17th Minmatar Tactical Wing Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.05.12 21:41:00 - [12] With no personal or political stake in the current crisis, I will simply say that Gariushi is a wise man and the Caldari people will do well to heed his words. Crises are best resolved without bloodshed and without sacrifice of essential principles, where possible. As I have said in other contexts, soldiers' role should be to emphasize the words of diplomats rather than replace them with firepower. --
Fox Vulcan Gallente LYF Naval Academy	Posted - 2008.05.12 22:16:00 - [13] I hope the hotheads on 'our side' listen as well. Im glad that someone with influence did something like this. I can only hope that things may cool a little. I suggest that we pilots take the breathing space and use it to help aim for peace, and not waste a chance like this. **************************** "For Honour and Glory."
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2008.05.12 23:18:00 - [14] Unfortunately, since it's Otro Garushi we're talking about here, I cannot help but wonder what the hidden agenda is. Never the less, there is wisdom in his words. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Ereka Nihil Crux Offensive Systems	Posted - 2008.05.12 23:52:00 - [15] The last thing our two peoples need at the moment is to continue this ethnic violence. Let's come to our senses.
Dharmic Vision Caldari Mikramurka Solace	Posted - 2008.05.13 01:29:00 - [16] I left the service of the State because of the abuse that happened, like what made Heth a hero to many. However, it is wrong to funnel the frustrations and anger of the mob against foreigners. The problem lies within the Caldari megacorporations and the culture of entitlement that seems to lurk at the upper echelons of management-- something that arises because they are human, not because the Gallente influence them. There are enough inequities in this world without creating more bogeymen to foster paranoia and distrust.
John Tanashima Caldari Ekchuah Incorporated	Posted - 2008.05.13 05:04:00 - [17] I am not surprised to see that Gariushi-haan is the first CEO to openly answer Tibus Heth. He is of course right in his analysis, and if the State must go forward as the preeminent culture of the cluster, he should be an example to all of us. But to all of those who insult Heth-haan, I must remind you that it is not Tibus Heth who called for riots, Tibus Heth was not the man who did not stop the riots with heavy force. Tibus Heth is a fever for the sick State, if the boards and upper management can listen to Gariushi-haan, more fever will not be necessary, we are not barbarians and can cure our sickness without violent revolution. But the status-quo is not possible, either the boards follow and copy the successful management and human resources of Ishukone, or there will be other riots, Tibus Heth or no Tibus Heth. All of you who speak of not blaming foreigners, I agree, no individual Gallente is responsible for the sorry state of our Corporations - I would not say that their culture is not responsible - but it is our responsibility to resist the worst parts of their culture, not theirs to change it, Gallente influence does not mean Gallente responsibility, we not part of the federation anymore and we are responsible. We have to heal, both for the immediate good of the Caldari People and to not be weakened against an external attack. I am not a liberal, I am a patriot, and I say, Gariushi-Haan is much more a patriot than the greedy CEOs who let their employeeÆs riot like animals and treat them like slaves. John Tanashima CEO, Contre-Amiral Ekchuah Incorporated
SolusLunes Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.05.13 05:51:00 - [18] Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel Unfortunately, since it's Otro Garushi we're talking about here, I cannot help but wonder what the hidden agenda is. Never the less, there is wisdom in his words. It is a sad day when the words of one of the most illustrious Caldari patriots are searched for a hidden agenda. Why must you always search for demons in dark corners? Who knows, he may actually mean all of what he said.
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.13 08:18:00 - [19] Originally by: John Tanashima I am not a liberal, I am a patriot The two are far from being incompatible. The presumption some corporations show by labelling themselves as "patriots" has always grated at me. The tacit implication there is that they are the only ones who care about the State and its people, and that the Liberals and Practicals are somehow not patriotic... and that simply isn't the case. Of course, I also dislike the Practicals, mostly for their business practices, but also for the tacit implication that their philosophy is the only practical one, which also isn't the case. Theirs is by far the most impractical, in my opinion, lacking as it does any long-term sustainability. - Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Plan Neun Caldari Ganja Unlimited CORE.	Posted - 2008.05.13 08:33:00 - [20] Originally by: Hana Kokoro Speech of Otro Gariushi, Ceo of Ishukone It comes as no surprise that Otro Gariushi, CEO of the Ishukone Megacorp of the Liberal Faction, has denounced the war-mongering racist, Tibus Heth. Since becoming Chief Executive Officer of Ishukone a few years ago, Otro Gariushi has put the needs of the State, the needs of the Caldari people, before the Megacorp, fulfilling the pledge of his inaugural speech, and so it was no surprise that Ishukone administered systems were spared the civil disorder of a week or so ago. I encourage all Caldari who wish to end this disgraceful period of race hate and violence to support the Ishukone and to distance themselves from the brutish, blood stained ranting of Tibus Heth and whoever it is who funds him and pulls his strings ( if he will ever condescend to tell us that, but perhaps he doesn't think it is of any importance to the Caldari people). I would also encourage those outside the State to support the Ishukone and the wider Liberal Faction in this matter, thus to prevent further suffering, bring the culprits to justice and restore peace and prosperity to the regions disturbed. Cudos for a well written speach must the wisdom behind them be listen too. "I cut your head off and put it in my TV-Set"
Avena Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.05.13 09:32:00 - [21] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda I'm not sure what to say. Once this man was my enemy, but truer words have seldom been spoken recently. Now I don't really know what to think. At least, to this, the Caldari people should listen. People change, as do their corporations. I'm glad to see that you're starting to see sense, Miss Sakoda. Given the mind and mouth that the address came from, there is no doubt in my mind that it was spoken with the best of intentions for the people of the State. Whether the people listen, and the CEP do anything to curb the voilence will ultimately show what remains of the State I once knew and loved.
Malcentis Tal	Posted - 2008.05.13 10:59:00 - [22] I must say that I find many of these words profoundly disturbing. We are talking about overthrowing a system of government that has served the Caldari State well. We are strong because of what has gone before. What are we to replace this government with? Yes, I admit that mistakes have been made, yes citizens have been used, perhaps even exploited, but all for the good of the state. Are we to have kings or emperors instead? An economy based on the slavery of others? Yes, there should be some, limited, change in the way things are done, this disruption to the lives of millions of people can only do harm. But I have the suspicion that there is something more to this than meets they eye. Perhaps we should look to our Gallnete "friends" for answers.
Sah Phyre Gallente The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.05.13 11:19:00 - [23] Originally by: Malcentis Tal I must say that I find many of these words profoundly disturbing. We are talking about overthrowing a system of government that has served the Caldari State well. We are strong because of what has gone before. What are we to replace this government with? Yes, I admit that mistakes have been made, yes citizens have been used, perhaps even exploited, but all for the good of the state. Are we to have kings or emperors instead? An economy based on the slavery of others? Yes, there should be some, limited, change in the way things are done, this disruption to the lives of millions of people can only do harm. But I have the suspicion that there is something more to this than meets they eye. Perhaps we should look to our Gallnete "friends" for answers. Admitting faults isn't unpatriotic. There is no perfect government system in the universe, and there never will be one. Mr. Gariushi does not seek the destructuon of his State, in fact he's one of the best corporate CEOs in the whole Caldari history. Under him, life of billions of Ishukone employees changed for the better, and Ishukone itself was saved. He is a true patriot, one that relies on common sense and morals instead of greed and old prejudices, something that can't be said about Tibus Heth. So please, stop searching for hidden agenda in his words. If there is one person that could speak for the whole Caldari State, that would be Otro Gariushi. Too bad that voices of reason are often drowned in the seas of madness... --------------------------------------------
Haraldhardrade Amarr Pax Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.13 11:46:00 - [24] How wonderfully arrogant! In my experience when anyone have to proclaim wisdom, it rarely is. I find Otro Gariushi's speech to be utter apologetic for the mayhem the Gallentean terrorists have committed. What will he do next, blame it all on the Caldari. That it was really their fault? I cant help to question his motives.
Hooch Flux Caldari	Posted - 2008.05.13 12:38:00 - [25] Originally by: Haraldhardrade I cant help to question his motives. Funny, I was starting to think the same thing about you and some of your buddies! If you guys want a war with the Gallente, then why don't you have one instead of encouraging one by proxy! Personally I welcome this speech which promotes at the very minimum a "Think First" attitude! The Caldari way is to contemplate the situation and react, not just act! Sorely over recent times our culture has been diluted with Hot-heads, hell bent on revenge and retribution. While these things can be important for honour, they must be contemplated and deliberate (Also helps if you know what your true target is!) "Revenge is a dish best served cold!" (Ancient Caldari proverb.) Whatever, whomever (be they Caldari, Gallente, Amarr or Minmitar) is responsible for all of this will not be brought to justice through reaction alone, but careful deliberate action! I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit... Only way to be sure!
Haraldhardrade Amarr Pax Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.13 13:53:00 - [26] Originally by: Hooch Flux If you guys want a war with the Gallente, then why don't you have one instead of encouraging one by proxy! Why Hooch Flux, we would never dare to dream about a war with the Gallente. What do you take us for, savages? Sure the federation is a cesspool of degeneration and immoral ideals and behavior which clearly is reflected on its citizens and allies, but I put my faith in gods divine plan to enlighten the universe. Quote: Personally I welcome this speech which promotes at the very minimum a "Think First" attitude! The Caldari way is to contemplate the situation and react, not just act! Sorely over recent times our culture has been diluted with Hot-heads, hell bent on revenge and retribution. While these things can be important for honor, they must be contemplated and deliberate (Also helps if you know what your true target is!) Being a loyal friend of the Caldari state for the most of my life, I know the Caldari very well. My father was stationed in Caldari space and thus I got to see the Caldari from the inside. Their way is to 'contemplate the situation and react', and thats what they are doing right now. The Caldari know who their target is. It's the federation extremists who prey on the gullable. Quote: "Revenge is a dish best served cold!" (Ancient Caldari proverb.) "Revenge is an act of passion; vengeance of justice. Injuries are revenged; crimes are avenged" (ancient Amarrian proverb) Quote: Whatever, whomever (be they Caldari, Gallente, Amarr or Minmitar) is responsible for all of this will not be brought to justice through reaction alone, but careful deliberate action! Its fairly obvious the Minmatars has had a negative influence on the federation. The Gallenteans decided to help savage terrorists, now they pay the price as its population is radicalized. The federations only hope is to cut all ties with the 'Minmatar republic' completely. Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
Hooch Flux Caldari	Posted - 2008.05.13 15:20:00 - [27] Originally by: Haraldhardrade Its fairly obvious the Minmatars has had a negative influence on the federation. The Gallenteans decided to help savage terrorists, now they pay the price as its population is radicalized. The federations only hope is to cut all ties with the 'Minmatar republic' completely. And this is why I say we need cool heads, so that we can get to the bottom of this situation without the biased political assesments! I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit... Only way to be sure!
Haraldhardrade Amarr Pax Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.13 15:23:00 - [28] Originally by: Hooch Flux And this is why I say we need cool heads, so that we can get to the bottom of this situation without the biased political assesments! These so called 'cool heads' is what has gotten us all in this mess in the first place. What we all need is strong leaders. Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
Malcentis Tal	Posted - 2008.05.13 16:04:00 - [29] It is strange that it takes an Amarr citizen to point the way for Caldari citizens. It is our people on our "occupied" homeworld that were first attacked and our heritage that was defaced and destroyed. Yet we bleat on when true patriots take the fight back to the Gallenteans. If we do not take action now, and if that action is not exact and powerful and meaningful then we are showing our weakness in the face of provocation.
Haraldhardrade Amarr Pax Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.13 16:15:00 - [30] Originally by: Malcentis Tal It is strange that it takes an Amarr citizen to point the way for Caldari citizens. Its when you meet resistance you know who your real friends are. Quote: If we do not take action now, and if that action is not exact and powerful and meaningful then we are showing our weakness in the face of provocation. Amarr stands with you, my dear Caldarian. Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.05.13 17:23:00 - [31] Well, you can destroy yourselves for a hunk of rock. You could lose millions, or hypothetically, billions of Caldari lives worth that many multiples more for it, with the possibility it won't even be "recaptured," or you can learn from history and come to a settlement with the Gallenteans. If they really believe in the right to self-government, at least the more moderate heads would be receptive. Gods, Tal-haan. You remind me of why I left the State in the first place. Traitorous trash. Ghost Festival is recruiting.
Haakon Jarl Caldari direkte	Posted - 2008.05.13 17:30:00 - [32] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Gods, Tal-haan. You remind me of why I left the State in the first place. Traitorous trash. Do you see the error of your ways? In it for the state
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.05.13 17:33:00 - [33] Originally by: Haakon Jarl Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Gods, Tal-haan. You remind me of why I left the State in the first place. Traitorous trash. Do you see the error of your ways? If you know anything about my former employer, Omerta Syndicate, you'll know that I had no choice. In addition, I'll enjoy watching you destroy yourselves if that's what it ultimately comes to. Preservation is the State is important, and you're looking to destroy it, so self-preservation comes next. Ghost Festival is recruiting.
Haakon Jarl Caldari direkte	Posted - 2008.05.13 17:40:00 - [34] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda In addition, I'll enjoy watching you destroy yourselves if that's what it ultimately comes to. Preservation is the State is important, and you're looking to destroy it, so self-preservation comes next. Oh we are not out to destroy it, traitor. We will enchant it. Pity you are not sophisticated enough to experience it. In it for the state
Mebrithiel Ju'wien Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.05.13 17:57:00 - [35] Well, I'm almost speachless. It takes a stronger man to stand up to the mob and implore calm and peace. I still don't trust Otro, but he has my grudging respect for his strength of will, for now. Personal Library
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.05.13 18:11:00 - [36] Originally by: Haakon Jarl We will enchant it. Yes, seems you and your bigots have already cast a spell of unjustifiable anger and bitterness on many in the State. Sad day when a pirate such as myself is able to claim moral high ground over a law-abiding Caldari like you. Ghost Festival is recruiting.
Nicoletta Mithra Amarr Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner	Posted - 2008.05.13 18:58:00 - [37] Originally by: Haraldhardrade Amarr stands with you, my dear Caldarian. Captain Haraldhardrade. I fear, this is not for you decide: It's the decision of the Emperor or the Chamberlain and the Heirs. _
Haraldhardrade Amarr Pax Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.13 19:29:00 - [38] Originally by: Nicoletta Mithra Originally by: Haraldhardrade Amarr stands with you, my dear Caldarian. Captain Haraldhardrade. I fear, this is not for you decide: It's the decision of the Emperor or the Chamberlain and the Heirs. My dearest Nicoletta. I do not speak for the devine empire, nor would I ever dream to do so as I would not be worthy of such a task. I'm merely an echo of the people, expressing some of their views in these troubled times. I speak for no one but myself. Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
Talaris EveningStar Caldari The Torchwood Institute	Posted - 2008.05.13 20:05:00 - [39] Mr Gairushi speaks true at least on the front of the cessation of the violence. It serves no one. However, it is disturbing that he states that it is an isolated incident of corruption. Like it has never happened before. Simply put that is very.. limited.. view of the situation, and I do hope that he opens his eyes to the greater cancer eating at the heart of our people. Corruption is far more widespread then just "some people did some horrible things". Alot of people are doing these same horrible things on a day to day basis, and this must be rectified. Mr Heth maybe a fool for pointing the finger at the Gallente, but he is right about the inherent flaws not only in his corporation, but in all Caldari. --- -= We are recruiting! =-
Thorradin State War Academy	Posted - 2008.05.13 21:58:00 - [40] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Originally by: Haakon Jarl We will enchant it. Yes, seems you and your bigots have already cast a spell of unjustifiable anger and bitterness on many in the State. Sad day when a pirate such as myself is able to claim moral high ground over a law-abiding Caldari like you. Anyone can claim moral high ground, it doesn't make it so. I find it ironic you are so passive towards dealing with the Gallente given your past and what I've read of you and your previous employer.
Fox Vulcan Gallente LYF Naval Academy	Posted - 2008.05.13 22:17:00 - [41] Ah, I wondered when someone would come along and throw st at the fan. Which would you prefer? War and untold millions dying, or peace and people having silly arguments? Two wrongs damn well dont make a right! The Gallanteans who attack Caldari are wrong! So are the Caldari who attack Gallanteans! Their both WRONG! So now is the time to stop the mistakes and put the pieces back together, before we lose not only hte pieces, but the playing board as well. ************************** "For Honour and Glory."
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.05.14 02:09:00 - [42] Originally by: Thorradin Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Originally by: Haakon Jarl We will enchant it. Yes, seems you and your bigots have already cast a spell of unjustifiable anger and bitterness on many in the State. Sad day when a pirate such as myself is able to claim moral high ground over a law-abiding Caldari like you. Anyone can claim moral high ground, it doesn't make it so. I find it ironic you are so passive towards dealing with the Gallente given your past and what I've read of you and your previous employer. With the way some of you have been acting lately, I can claim some, and that is enough to make me puke. In addition, you seem to not know anything of my former employer. We had one reported skirmish with the Fed, and many more with Ishukone vessels. In fact, CEO Yuki Li has repeatedly stated that fighting over Caldari Prime would be pointless. No, we didn't particularly like the Gallente. I'm not friends with the Fed now, either. But we didn't ever advocate blaming domestic problems on a foreign power. Ghost Festival is recruiting.
Haakon Jarl Caldari direkte	Posted - 2008.05.14 06:28:00 - [43] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Originally by: Haakon Jarl We will enchant it. Yes, seems you and your bigots have already cast a spell of unjustifiable anger and bitterness on many in the State. Sad day when a pirate such as myself is able to claim moral high ground over a law-abiding Caldari like you. Kyoko your false assumptions are hard to endure. There are no anger or biterness in our lair, no, instead we have purpose. A purpose a Gallente puppet will never understand. In it for the state
Malcentis Tal	Posted - 2008.05.14 08:53:00 - [44] The only way this could possibly be "solved" is the right of the Caldari state to rule over our homeworld to be recognised. Yes, I realise this is a tired argument but until this happens the antagonism between Gallente and Caldari will continue. No amount of Caldarian working for Gallente or vice versa will solve this problem. And I really dont' go for the "Some of my best freinds are Gallente" statement either.
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.05.14 11:07:00 - [45] Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 14/05/2008 11:12:35 ... I believe I've had enough of this. Pilots Jarl and Tal: I have to say that I'm disappointed. The Caldari State stands on the verge of a renewal, one way or another, and here we find the two of you beating the drums for Caldari Prime-- evidently leaping towards war as a means of pulling the tails of those currently in power out of the fire. To clarify just a little: no one, whether the Liberal Gariushi-haan or whatever you'd describe Heth-haan as (revolutionary Patriot, perhaps) is arguing that the State should be dismantled-- just, at most, beheaded, so that the hydra can grow a better crop of craniums. It is precisely because the sacrifice of the workers has not been for the good of the State that this is evidently seen as a necessary step by both. Where they differ is largely in their ideas as to the source of the problem: internal or external. What I am now hearing from you goes something like this: "What? Problem? There's no problem here but the aching of the hearts of the Caldari people for their homeworld!" ... which plays quite nicely off of certain recent events, but doesn't really address the question at hand. In fact, it appears strongly that you're attempting to redirect attention from the rot at the top to foreign affairs. Even Heth-haan seems to have been primarily attempting to provoke Caldari ire and disgust for the corruption of their leadership (though it's possible he genuinely believes it to have originated in Gallentean cultural influence). I hope you'll forgive me if I don't find this apparent opportunism on your parts very impressive-- or very patriotic. A political Patriot myself, I've defended the State's policies and occasional arguable mistreatment of its citizens my entire career on the basis that the corporate State serves to protect the culture and way of life of the Caldari peoples, and that the people themselves would have the final say as to whether their leaders were worthy of being followed. That is to say, until the Caldari spoke, no jaalan or guri could have any valid claim to speak for the people of the State, who are plenty capable of speaking for themselves. The Caldari have now spoken. There is rot. They see it, they know it, and the leadership of the State will likely be bled, that it may be purged of corruption, literally or figuratively. The great Raata Empire was not built on a foundation of short-sighted greed. You may count yourselves fortunate that the path of renewal need not lead through you. It seems the time has come to, as they say, lead, follow, or get out of the way. I will be getting (staying, rather) out of the way, as will my superior. Which brings me to the subject of treason.... Neither Executive Sakoda nor myself has been involved at any time in action against the State. Ishukone, yes; but that was an internal State matter, and Omerta is hardly the first Caldari corporation to have taken up arms against another. The Angel Cartel holds no animosity for the State, and vice versa. What's more, I avoid operating on the State's behalf precisely because I believe I am likely to harm it by trying to serve it. ... Much as Executive Sakoda is, I believe, suggesting you will do if you restart a war that, last time, lasted nearly a century. While I am ambivalent towards Caldari Prime, I understand its significance to ethnic Caldari Patriots. But now is not a time when you are likely to be able to reclaim that heritage without paying a price most of the State is unlikely to thank you for. Now is a time for looking inwards-- to our leadership, to our future as a nation, to how we treat people who live among us as our guests. If we fail to do this-- if we look only outside of our own society for problems to confront, the problems within will remain unresolved, and we now have a rare opportunity to solve them. ... but of course, denying us that opportunity would be one excellent use for directing the State's attention outwards, wouldn't it? PRETA is now recruiting!
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.14 11:32:00 - [46] The galactic civilization is one of countless billions of citizens, resources and assets beyond the ability of any reasonable census to keep track of. Within that structure, corruption is an inevitability. It pleases me that the State is now on the forefront of the battle against that corruption. Our opinions may differ as to its origin, but we have at least become united in recognizing and facing the darker side of our civilization - something that all civilizations are hesitant to do. There can be no shame in recognizing that the State is riddled, at all levels, with corruption, crime, and ruthless ambition. Such things are an unavoidable side effect of our culture, our economy, and the tremendous assets that collectively belong in some way or another to the Caldari people. What makes us admirable is that we are now capable of admitting to that problem, and addressing it. All cultures are naturally squeamish about their internal indiscretions, and seek to ignore or excuse them. I respect Tibus Heth for his fervor, and for putting the State in a position where we are finally able to begin to face and fight our flaws... but he is deluded if he thinks that the Caldari people are so innately perfect that the only way corruption could creep into our culture is from outside. In this, Otro Gariushi is the wiser man. - Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Malcentis Tal	Posted - 2008.05.14 16:26:00 - [47] There are two points that I would like to make here. The first is this...many are positing the end of our way of government. That we remove the "corrrupt" heads of the corporation, that we sack the boards of these. And replace with what? Some kind of elected parliament? A Benign Dictator? An Emperor???? And what happens while this change goes through? As Caldari fights Caldari and as our leaderless corporations wonder what to do. Do we just lie low and hope that none of our erstwhile neighbours grab a system or two, that the Gurista pirates that constant attack us even now will just sit back and wait. The Second point is the fact that many so called patriots and loyal members of Caldari propose to just sit back while their own people face intimidation and subjugation on our homeworld. That our homeworld is under the rule of a foreign government. Perhaps these capsuleers don't have family or friends there, perhaps they don't care that their ancestors fought for our very survival after the collapse. Perhaps they don't care that the monuments raised to these brave pioneers the made if possible for them to currently sit in their ships and fly free are defaced and destroyed. I DO NOT. I will stand and fight for the Caldari State as it exists now. Yes there is corruption but anyone would be naive in the extreme to think any other form of government would be any better. So I will fight for our state to the last missile, a true patriot and member of Caldari.
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.05.14 16:40:00 - [48] You want to know why they face intimidation and violence, sir? They're angry. The Gallenteans are angry that they have been blamed for the State's woes, a completely baseless charge. I mourn the loss of Caldari life and the loss of such a sacred monument as much as you do, but no one should charge that certain forces within the State do not share blame. I would execute those people just as I would bring the individuals responsible for their crimes on Caldari Prime to justice. Truth is, Caldari leadership has been slipping. If you are willing to live with the corruption you are a fool. The shareholders are those best equipped at current to challenge their authority as it stands now. Maybe a system should be implemented that gives wage-earners a few shares so that their own opinion would be voiced as to the direction of their respective parent corporation. I don't claim to know the answer, but I do know that while paranoia has kept me alive, it's not conductive to sustaining peace between governing bodies. Ghost Festival is recruiting.
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.05.14 19:13:00 - [49] Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 14/05/2008 19:13:23 Originally by: Malcentis Tal The first is this...many are positing the end of our way of government. That we remove the "corrrupt" heads of the corporation, that we sack the boards of these. And replace with what? Some kind of elected parliament? A Benign Dictator? An Emperor???? "Many" may be saying this, probably including a few Caldari jaalan, but neither Heth-haan nor Gariushi-haan is among them. Heth-haan asserts that the leadership culture-- not the system, but the culture-- has become poisoned with foreign cultural elements (individualism / selfishness) which have served to poison its usefulness. Gariushi-haan seems to be asserting that the poisoning comes from human frailty rather than from any outside influence, and that we need to look for a solution within rather than blaming outsiders for poisoning us. Neither has suggested an end to the megacorporate system. To claim otherwise is to set out a straw man to shoot your arrows at; no serious participant in the State's internal debate at this point is holding that particular bit of ground. One of the merits of the Caldari system is that it handles change comparatively smoothly-- the transition from one pattern of executives to another need not require even a change of staff. There's no need for Caldari to fight Caldari, and this appears now an unlikely outcome; it appears a good time for certain executives to accept early retirement. Failing that, a nice pot of tea has been known to do wonders for national unity. And enemies who think the State unable to react effectively because the fitness of its leaders is in doubt are in for a rude shock. If and when the transition comes, it will come smoothly and probably quite quietly-- as quietly as one can offer a short blade and a towel to a failed executive. So, stand and fight for the State as it exists now if you like, Tal-haan. I think you'll see the change happening around you without a shot fired; just a lot of "spending more time with families," "early retirements" and honorable suicides. So you may stand and posture, "true patriot." One of the beauties of the State is that violent revolution is not necessary for the removal of incompetents, as we will, I think, shortly see. The current situation is untenable; the populace knows it, the managers of the corporations know it, probably even the top executives with the now-doomed careers know it, though a fair few may be in denial. If there is fighting, now, it will be between the State and Federation, and with Gariushi-haan's speech, there seems hope that this will not take place. If I were you, Tal-haan, I'd be watching the Caldari Prime situation closely rather than prematurely almost-but-not-quite calling for war. You may well get your fight, but not yet and probably not for the reasons you state, or at least not for those reasons alone. At the very least, it would be wise to hold fire (and limit inflammatory rhetoric) until nationals of either nation can be safely evacuated from the other's space. We owe our guests at least that much courtesy, as a matter of traditional hospitality if not for their own sake. Within, the "old order," damaged in the storm of public anger, will now likely sink and pass with probably scarcely a ripple, to be replaced with fresher minds, though whether of Heth-haan or Gariushi-haan's bent towards the Gallente, I don't presume to know. The king is dead; long live the king. PRETA is now recruiting!
Stekanis Darkstar Minmatar SMCD	Posted - 2008.05.14 19:26:00 - [50] Edited by: Stekanis Darkstar on 14/05/2008 19:27:20 Originally by: Malcentis Tal There are two points that I would like to make here. The first is this...many are positing the end of our way of government. That we remove the "corrrupt" heads of the corporation, that we sack the boards of these. And replace with what? Some kind of elected parliament? A Benign Dictator? An Emperor???? And what happens while this change goes through? As Caldari fights Caldari and as our leaderless corporations wonder what to do. Do we just lie low and hope that none of our erstwhile neighbours grab a system or two, that the Gurista pirates that constant attack us even now will just sit back and wait. The Second point is the fact that many so called patriots and loyal members of Caldari propose to just sit back while their own people face intimidation and subjugation on our homeworld. That our homeworld is under the rule of a foreign government. Perhaps these capsuleers don't have family or friends there, perhaps they don't care that their ancestors fought for our very survival after the collapse. Perhaps they don't care that the monuments raised to these brave pioneers the made if possible for them to currently sit in their ships and fly free are defaced and destroyed. I DO NOT. I will stand and fight for the Caldari State as it exists now. Yes there is corruption but anyone would be naive in the extreme to think any other form of government would be any better. So I will fight for our state to the last missile, a true patriot and member of Caldari. I am, as you can clearly see, not Caldari myself. I'll present my opinion anyway You claim that the intent is to remove the heads of the corporation, with the seeming assumption that they would be replaced by an entirely new system of government. You show a remarkable ignorance of how a corporation works, even at the mega-corporation level. Gariushi himself replaced the Ishukone CEO rather abruptly. Why is it impossible for you to even consider that "removing" CEOs as heads of corporations merely means that a new head will take charge? Removing the heads doesn't mean you change the system, per se. It merely means that you have replaced those previously in charge with those who might well take things in a different direction or not, depending on who ends up in charge. Edited for grammar.
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.14 22:47:00 - [51] Originally by: Aria Jenneth There's no need for Caldari to fight Caldari, and this appears now an unlikely outcome; it appears a good time for certain executives to accept early retirement. Failing that, a nice pot of tea has been known to do wonders for national unity. And enemies who think the State unable to react effectively because the fitness of its leaders is in doubt are in for a rude shock. If and when the transition comes, it will come smoothly and probably quite quietly-- as quietly as one can offer a short blade and a towel to a failed executive. So, stand and fight for the State as it exists now if you like, Tal-haan. I think you'll see the change happening around you without a shot fired; just a lot of "spending more time with families," "early retirements" and honorable suicides. We are a civilized lot, aren't we... all the viciousness and recongregation of a bloody and glorious revolution, minus the actual bloodshed and unpleasantness. Lives and livelihoods are going to be destroyed here, as surely as if an army was sweeping through the State, hauling people into the streets and executing them. Except that we've somehow convinced these people that the best way to do it is to save the army the trouble, and do it themselves, in private, in such a way as to minimize the amount of necessary cleanup and paperwork. For the good of the State, of course. Makes me proud to be Caldari... - Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Malcentis Tal	Posted - 2008.05.15 10:52:00 - [52] On the one had we say a change must be made but on the other we say replace like for like. So some CEO's and board members are removed to be replaced by other, just as driven and ruthless, others. To be anywhere near the seat of power in a corportatin you must be tough and perhaps a little "corrupt", to pay off those who will aid your climb. Perhaps the only way to make a change that will keep our corporate structure is to do exactly what happened with Tibus Heth. Promote from so far down the chain that you find someone relatively uncorrupted. Perhaps with the correct advisors shares will not plummet and the corp will continue to rule wisely. Perhaps. Is there an alternative I am missing here. The idea to give workers shares I feel will do nothing. The board could easily disregard this voice. As for Caldari Prime, we shall see, I have a feeling that this single problem will be the one that will forever sit as a block to Caldari and Gallente relations. One that will always mean the violence is resorted to. My call to patriotism was put forth as it seemed that people were calling for wholesale changes in our system but had nothing to say about what those changes might be, that we get rid of one system and see what happens. Also there were those seemingly wanting to abandon the rights of Caldari citizens on Prime for the sake of holding on to a peace with the actual perpetrators of the attackes on those citizens. I do not advocate a tooth for a tooth. If innocent civilians are being attacked on one planet then we should not attack civilians on another, this is a cowards way. But we should strive with all our strength to ensure that ALL Caldarians can live in peace and perhaps that is only possilbe if they live under the flag of our state.
Kirjava Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.05.15 13:10:00 - [53] "Malkalen û This is a breaking news flash Reports are coming in that an emergency evacuation is underway at Ishukone Headquarters Station, the site of the ongoing Malkalen Economic Summit. The exact emergency is unknown at this time. General evacuation orders require all personnel, military and civilian, to exit the station immediately. We will continue to provide coverage as information becomes available. " Interesting..... Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.

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