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Nova Fox Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.12 20:38:00 - [1] I stood here thinking that this time next year alot of us reading this right now will be seeing ambulation as a speperate part of Eve, an optional service or choice for a matter and the sort. Then it stuck me, what about for those players who join after its introduced? How would they view it? Would they see ambulation on a level to the point that they arent going to call it ambulation instead just another part of eve? Just some interesting ponderings thats all, discuss. New Ship Idea: Tender Supply Ship, The Logistics Sister
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.05.12 20:46:00 - [2] tbh, I predict a lot of smacktards. I foresee a lot of noobs (and for that matter, a lot of existing players in-game already) getting camped into stations and talking all manner of smack on local (just like we have now), and on top of that we'll also have those people talking all manner of smack in-station and then refusing to undock. After all, it's been stated in no uncertain terms that there will be no combat in ambulation, at least in the beginning, and that it isn't expected to be added any time in the near/foreseeable future. While this sort of sucks, I DO fully understand the reasons and it would probably be worse off if it were included. Imagine how much easier it would be to suicide gank a humanoid than an actual ship... But, even with the drawbacks that I expect, I'll still mess with it for at least a few days. I wanna make everybody look at my ugly-ass avatar in-game just like here on the forum. Originally by: techzer0 I'm invincible until proven wrong
Zaerlorth Maelkor	Posted - 2008.05.12 20:50:00 - [3] Sebestiors ftw! Most sickly race in EVE! ================================================== I should really get a sig.
000Hunter000 Gallente Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2008.05.12 20:51:00 - [4] Originally by: Havohej I wanna make everybody look at my ugly-ass avatar in-game just like here on the forum. Dude! u look like darth mauls older brother _______________________________________________________ CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Shionoya Risa The Xenodus Initiative. Overclockers Podpilot Services	Posted - 2008.05.12 20:52:00 - [5] Originally by: Havohej Imagine how much easier it would be to suicide gank a humanoid than an actual ship... Concord could kill peoples clones... Mmmm... -----
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.05.12 20:58:00 - [6] They'll just see it as another part of EVE as they would know nothing else. It's like kids today look at me blankly when I describe a world before caller ID and answering your phone was an adventure everytime it rang. Could be that hot chick phoning for a booty call or it could be the guy you owe $100 to threatening to break your legs. You just never knew. Such a thing is almost incomprehensible to kids these days. Guess we should be at least thankful that in the digital age kids still know which way clockwise is. -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
Summer's End Intel 7	Posted - 2008.05.12 21:02:00 - [7] No pod pilots shanking each other in station. When you can't run, you crawl, and when you can't crawl - when you can't do that...You find someone to carry you.
Reyold Bengali Caldari Unethical Heroes DeStInY.	Posted - 2008.05.12 21:11:00 - [8] Originally by: Summer's End No pod pilots shanking each other in station. Damn, and I was looking forward to sticking a few people with a spork, too! ------- Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Katarlia Simov Minmatar Cowboys From Hell	Posted - 2008.05.12 21:14:00 - [9] I would LOVE to see combat in station, or at least the possibility of stealing/saboutaging people you are at war with :) Would add such a good dimension to it all. For now, im hoping i can sex people up. Always good for a giggle.
000Hunter000 Gallente Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2008.05.12 21:31:00 - [10] hm... i can invision personal weaponry allready, rpg launcher for caldari, a personal combat drone that follows u around for gallente, laser gun for amarr and good ol'fashioned handguns for minmatar _______________________________________________________ CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Faife Noctiscion Twilight Trade Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.12 21:34:00 - [11] you know, maybe i just never got jaded but i'm sorta looking forward to building a domicile, and that huge 3d map thing was cool too
Nova Fox Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.12 21:49:00 - [12] would this be a case where a younger players may teach olderplayers a thing or two? New Ship Idea: Tender Supply Ship, The Logistics Sister
Miss Xerox	Posted - 2008.05.12 22:50:00 - [13] The whole idea of ambulation for a space-sim sucks, IMO. Leave it to SL or WOW or... whatever. Plenty of games out there where you can walk around, screw like bunnies, or beat each other up. CCP just wants to shoehorn themselves into another pointless mold. The only thing Ambulation should feature is: Going into a station, look at all of the target's ships docked, select one, and kick them out of the station in it with a five minute lockout.
Spineker Caldari	Posted - 2008.05.12 22:58:00 - [14] No it shouldn't be left out. It is the next step to planetary landings and perhaps mining, colonization, land warfare etc. This is the first part of what I hope opens a whole new world of Eve.
Bad Harlequin Minmatar Chiroptera Factor	Posted - 2008.05.12 23:06:00 - [15] Originally by: 000Hunter000 good ol'fashioned handguns for minmatar Knives. Heavy, serrated knives. Think "Hurricane, sharpened." Srsly tho, i'm glad to not have combat instation, especially not right away. (just had an image of the snowball launcher event occurring in-station ). As long as we have appropriately insulting animations, that'll do. We're supposed to settle things in space. Socially it'll be made or broken on how expressive our avatars can be, and how much we can personalize them; what sort of "rooms" will be available; and whether all the Sebiestor will be hanging out at the local Gallente-run Goth/Punk/Industrial clubs
Lord Evangelian Gallente The White Mantle	Posted - 2008.05.12 23:50:00 - [16] I for 1 can't wait... The simmple reason somtimes I dont wana undock and I sit in the station looking at cool things to buy...It woul dbe awsome if I could open my shop and actually have a reason not to undock uther than shere laziness... -------------------- The White Mantle
Fredior Khan'Sebies Minmatar Mikramurka Solace	Posted - 2008.05.13 00:00:00 - [17] For those wishing for combat in stations, remember: Cloning only can occur if you die within your pod! The technology articles are quite clear that it requires a room full of specialized equipment. You can't pre-scan and dump to a clone because the active scanning cooks the brain while it happens. So there's a perfectly good reason for no combat in stations. And a perfectly good reason why a pod pilot might NEVER walk in a station. I sure as hell wouldn't, just on that basis alone.
Clueless Alt	Posted - 2008.05.13 00:32:00 - [18] I hope we'll can farm money in pleasure hub.
Big Al The Aftermath	Posted - 2008.05.13 02:04:00 - [19] Ambulation isn't going to draw new players. If they wanted to walk around in a space type game with 2003 graphics they'd be playing SWG. Personally I'll be shocked if ambulation ever makes it live. Kinda sucks as they've already spent so many hours on it and a lot of the playerbase is pretty excited by it.
Price Watcher	Posted - 2008.05.13 02:23:00 - [20] Useless eye candy. I wish they would put the effort they are wasting on this stuff into something useful. POST WITH YOUR ALT! Fix Suicide Ganking
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.05.13 02:37:00 - [21] Um, isnt Ambulation being worked on by the World of Darkness dev team and not the EvE dev team? If so, how are they wasting their time? -------------------------------- There isn't a test around that a smart man cant find some way to get around it.
SiKong Ma Renegade Circus Midgets	Posted - 2008.05.13 03:13:00 - [22] I foresee that new players will find a jewelled hairpin will cost about the same as your Arbalest Heavy Launcher while a set of red leather outfit will cost more than your faction fitted CNR. Eve will no longer be about internet spaceships. It will be about piloting internet spaceships in sexy red leather outfits. The procedure will no longer be about getting into an unimplanted jump clone and go shooting each other in the face. It will be about getting into a naked (or those cheap caldari uniforms) unimplanted jump clones before going out to shoot each other in the face. PS: Yes, due to the quantity of Achuras around, I foresee new players will find a set of Caldari uniform the cheapest in the market. "Master, to be or not to be... what's the next phrase?" "That is the question" "But that's my question!" "zzzz... AFK"
Atomos Darksun Infortunatus Eventus	Posted - 2008.05.13 03:22:00 - [23] Originally by: Jacob Mei Um, isnt Ambulation being worked on by the World of Darkness dev team and not the EvE dev team? If so, how are they wasting their time? This. I have a tendency to wander around when I'm thinking/talking to people. Just randomly walk to different places without thinking about it. I have also realized I do this in games. A lot. Like running around the Dant mining outpost on SWG for 20 minutes jabbering on vent to people... Maybe the reason I get so frustrated with eve at times and I log off much more after I dock up is because I can't do my wandering around aimlessly looking at the exact same things subconciously? Hmm. Atomos likes. Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... Atomos' Guide to Forum Flaming
ceyriot Induseng Enterprises R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.13 05:02:00 - [24] Originally by: 000Hunter000 hm... i can invision personal weaponry allready, rpg launcher for caldari, a personal combat drone that follows u around for gallente, laser gun for amarr and good ol'fashioned handguns for minmatar Oh come on, this is all wrong...(well caldari and gallente are right). Amarr should have a SLAVE with a laser following them around. Minmatar should have a really fast hovercar with spikes on it. Faction Store - Killboard
I SoStoned	Posted - 2008.05.13 05:07:00 - [25] Lovely, just what I'm looking forward to... SecondLife in space. Oh, joy. sigh Eve will become Station Life. I mean... come on, players building the stations 'junk' like taverns and botiques and then renting a slot and then building the 'goods' for those shops and then advertizing... OMFG, isn't that just a cheap SecondLife clone?
Ambani Gallente Infinitus Morti R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.13 05:48:00 - [26] is there a list of features <other than walking / games> that Ambulation will be providing us? If it was just dressing up pretty and sitting around, There are many other games who do a very good job of that. Meet Eve's most paranoid carebear - Ambani!
Cyriel Longinus Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2008.05.13 07:24:00 - [27] "Training Interior Station Design" will lose it's pun as it becomes something that you can actually do.
Gojyu Ever Flow	Posted - 2008.05.13 07:29:00 - [28] Originally by: Fredior Khan'Sebies For those wishing for combat in stations, remember: Cloning only can occur if you die within your pod! The technology articles are quite clear that it requires a room full of specialized equipment. You can't pre-scan and dump to a clone because the active scanning cooks the brain while it happens. So there's a perfectly good reason for no combat in stations. And a perfectly good reason why a pod pilot might NEVER walk in a station. I sure as hell wouldn't, just on that basis alone. Or they just retconn it, I've never heard of a mmo anywhere that let lore get in the way of gameplay
Shionoya Risa The Xenodus Initiative. Overclockers Podpilot Services	Posted - 2008.05.13 08:33:00 - [29] Originally by: Jacob Mei Um, isnt Ambulation being worked on by the World of Darkness dev team and not the EvE dev team? If so, how are they wasting their time? No. -----
Elles D Caldari Contraband Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.13 08:43:00 - [30] I for one would like to see something akin to Counterstrike in stations, CCP could do a partnership with valve Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Jolliejoe Caldari	Posted - 2008.05.13 09:13:00 - [31] Edited by: Jolliejoe on 13/05/2008 09:14:58 I just want CCP to add even more bugged crap to the game instead of fixing the truckload of ****ty bugs (or so called "features") in the game right now (pos bug comes to mind, hey anyone never seen half the blues at a JB being neutral suddenly ROFL, sorry I fogot, that's a "feature" too). Sure, let's add factional warefare, let's add ambulation... let's add so much stuff that we the players lose track of all the bugs and simply give up on filing petitions and bugreports (which is useless anyway since according to CCP, most of all the bugs are "as designed" anyway or simply be done with it saying that we need to give them more info so they can reproduce it better... i'm sure the 2 page description of them problem in the bugreport doesn't help them LOLZ)...
Tharukan Desm'ar	Posted - 2008.05.13 10:24:00 - [32] Edited by: Tharukan Desm''ar on 13/05/2008 10:24:52 I love the sound of ambulation and will be rushing to set up my domicile in my station. as long as we get a lot of different clothing types and extras to mess about with in the beginning I'll be happy. It can only lead as a stepping stone to more features in the future. The graphics and detail using the trinity engine looks awesome to. Edot: Apparently you might be able to set up a bar to! Cant wait!
Ryoji Tanakama Caldari Daikoku Fleet Shipyards	Posted - 2008.05.13 11:36:00 - [33] Originally by: Havohej tbh, I predict a lot of smacktards. I foresee a lot of noobs (and for that matter, a lot of existing players in-game already) getting camped into stations and talking all manner of smack on local (just like we have now), and on top of that we'll also have those people talking all manner of smack in-station and then refusing to undock. After all, it's been stated in no uncertain terms that there will be no combat in ambulation, at least in the beginning, and that it isn't expected to be added any time in the near/foreseeable future. While this sort of sucks, I DO fully understand the reasons and it would probably be worse off if it were included. Imagine how much easier it would be to suicide gank a humanoid than an actual ship... But, even with the drawbacks that I expect, I'll still mess with it for at least a few days. I wanna make everybody look at my ugly-ass avatar in-game just like here on the forum. So what you're saying is we'll see behaviour just like we already have? I think it's really narrow minded and naive to assume that a bodily avatar will attract the kind of player that will just talk trash and grief. I can't make that connection. After playing countless MMOs I see no correlation - these people are either just asshats (which will turn up anywhere) or they are the kind that will abuse mechanics to get their own way (which applies to any game, avatar or not) or they rely on some similar non-avatar related asshattery to get their kicks. Ambulation won't attract 'EVIL WOW PLAYERS' - half of EVE has already played WoW or a similar game anyway so the argument is redundant. Theres a lot of misconception and elitism about something that will open the game up to a marginally bigger audience, bring in fresh/increased demand to the economy and give you something to do when you are stuck in station for whatever reason. Some characters already spend their whole existence docked, I don't see that ambulation will change anything here and if it does so what? It's not for any PvPer to dictate how often they sould get to shoot the other players of the game. ~Ryoji Tanakama Daikoku Fleet Shipyards
Heroldyn	Posted - 2008.05.13 11:55:00 - [34] it all depends upon how well the demands of "old" players will be integrated into it. for example ccp allways praises how great their meeting-room "tactical map" feature is, and that it will provide huge advantages over the normal map, and how it may shift fleet commanders from taking part int the actual battle to command their fleet(s) from that room. i am a little sceptic about that concept tho. what it comes down to in the end is: - is there a "real game" advantage to using ambulation for corps & alliances - is this advantage worth the additional time required to do it through ambulation.
Ryoji Tanakama Caldari Daikoku Fleet Shipyards	Posted - 2008.05.13 12:03:00 - [35] Edited by: Ryoji Tanakama on 13/05/2008 12:04:19 I would prefer if there is no mechanical advantage to having a player avatar as such... but it leads to having non-mechanical player advantages. If you do not have to worry about your own ship to oversee a battle and can do so remotely, dedicating your entire screen to interface and overview and chat windows then there's a lot more that you can achieve by coordination of that information than is neccessarily possible while piloting a ship in the front line. I think being able to manage a fleet while docked would be an awesome thing regardless of ambulation, you could have your solar system map up with various other windows around it and blips for your fleet and the enemy simply because you dont need to be able to see what is going on directly around you. Theres scope for usefull skills here too IMO... if you want to be able to see friendlies on the solarsystem map then you need 'tectical accumen level 1' to see the enemy too, then you need 'tactical accumen level 4'. It also opens up the possibility of a new branch of ewar designed solely around providing this information. If the ships relaying the data are popped, then you lose the HUD and have to rely on pilot intel. I dunno... just a random hyperbole there for no good reason. EDIT: Clarification ~Ryoji Tanakama Daikoku Fleet Shipyards
Liberator 1 Gallente Revolutionary United Front Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2008.05.13 12:10:00 - [36] Will I be able to get rid of this stupid haircut with an ambulation hairdresser ? ------------------------------------------- ôIf you are in a spaceship that is traveling at the speed of light, and you turn on the headlights, does anything happen?ö -------------------------
Nova Fox Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.13 12:26:00 - [37] Well Local channel wont have ambulation people on it, people inside the station and out of thier shipsll have a different chat channel from what ive read. Yes you can change your hair for once and they are adding dozens of new hair styles and facial hair and all sorts of things. As far as I know there are various coporate tools such as corporate uniforms an interactive office (with npc to act as your clerk) and possibly some recruiting materials there. along with that war room you stated they could also post various other thgns there like earnings and graphs of the corps business. But i want to know is how the older players who dont embrace ambulation going to treat the newer players that would never know the difference? Finally what i also understad is that what breaks in ambulation stays in ambulation so hopefully that should be interesting enough. New Ship Idea: Tender Supply Ship, The Logistics Sister
Sral TBear Mark Of Chaos	Posted - 2008.05.13 12:35:00 - [38] dont want to walk in station...i want to blow up planets, i want to hide on them.....i want to get biomass to sell....think of finishing the house instead of decorating the toilet....
Arakidias Murky Inc. Power Of 3	Posted - 2008.05.13 13:05:00 - [39] Originally by: Sral TBear dont want to walk in station...i want to blow up planets, i want to hide on them.....i want to get biomass to sell....think of finishing the house instead of decorating the toilet.... Yeah I know mate, it's very annoying that ambulation will be forced upon us and that everyone has to spend 2h of gametime in the station for every hour outside. It's even worse that you cannot start training a new skill without changing your clothes. I mean really, what gives?
Misanth The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.05.13 13:08:00 - [40] I just hope ambulation won't be a "necessary" part of EVE; i.e. you have to waste time walking around in stations. The action is out in space and as long as I'm not being held hostage by having to walk around in the station I'm happy with whatever. In that case I predict ambulation won't affect me at all.. apart from maybe having less targets around in space.
Anell Minmatar Evil Avatar Ltd.	Posted - 2008.05.13 13:18:00 - [41] I don't know where folks are getting some of these ideas about ambulation. I thought I have stayed pretty up to date on it but the only features I have seen (other then walking around) is the map room and talking to agents in person. I think it would be neat to setup your own shop or have your own domicile. But I also haven't read that anywhere and thus I'm inclined to believe it doesn't exist. If these things were mentioned by a dev I would want to know 1) when it was mentioned, and 2) the context it was mentioned in, and finally 3) what dev said it. Anyone with experience in MMOs knows that what devs say a year before release is very different when release actually happens. The list of features EVE was supposed to have at release and what it did have at release are worlds apart. I would not be surprised if we can not even change clothing on our avatar but instead choose the outfit at the new character creation and then thats it. I haven't heard anything about buying new outfits or changing the look of our avatar after the new character creation.
Arakidias Murky Inc. Power Of 3	Posted - 2008.05.13 13:50:00 - [42] Originally by: Misanth I just hope ambulation won't be a "necessary" part of EVE; i.e. you have to waste time walking around in stations. The action is out in space and as long as I'm not being held hostage by having to walk around in the station I'm happy with whatever. In that case I predict ambulation won't affect me at all.. apart from maybe having less targets around in space. DEV's have stated several times that ambulation is 100% optional
Nova Fox Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.13 14:44:00 - [43] Ambulation will only 1 forced option. You got to update your avatar for the trinity engine. Dont worry once your done making your new self and get your new pilot licence mugshot your done you wont have to touch your whole body again in eve. But your certianly going to start missing out when we start having parties on planets that once belonging to our former enemies and really tossing some smurgleblaster and Quafe Ultra around for everyone and you wheen't invited because you refuse to use ambulation. New Ship Idea: Tender Supply Ship, The Logistics Sister
Misanth The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.05.14 14:45:00 - [44] Originally by: Arakidias Originally by: Misanth I just hope ambulation won't be a "necessary" part of EVE; i.e. you have to waste time walking around in stations. The action is out in space and as long as I'm not being held hostage by having to walk around in the station I'm happy with whatever. In that case I predict ambulation won't affect me at all.. apart from maybe having less targets around in space. DEV's have stated several times that ambulation is 100% optional I got to say I miss all that kind of info as I'm not interested in ambulation at all. Just scared of the potential it has to ruin my game. ..but yah, in that case I should read up on it instead of assuming the worst. Just happens to rather spend that time on other things as it is.
Rhatar Khurin Minmatar Sten Industries	Posted - 2008.05.14 16:23:00 - [45] I seriously hope i don't get greeted by about 10 ISK spammers everytime i get out of my pod to stretch my legs lol. _ EVE RELATED CONTENT
Rosenkranz Caldari The Aussie Connection Corp	Posted - 2008.05.14 19:45:00 - [46] I think ambulation is a good thing. It may not seem useful to veterans of eve, but it may attract other folks that have trouble getting into games like this. My wife for example would love eve. It has everything and more to offer her than the MMO she currently plays (AsheronÆs Call). But, she just canÆt get into eve. The problem is the lack of an avatar. The avatarÆs we know and love donÆt count. All the ships look the same (i.e. arenÆt customizable) and thatÆs all we really see. She just canÆt connect with a ship avatar that looks exactly like every other ship of itÆs type. Give her an avatar she can walk around with on station and suddenly there is a connection. Suddenly the sameness of the ships can be forgiven. So IÆm definitely looking forward to ambulation ----------------- "Its never just a game when you're winning." - George Carlin
Kale Kold Caldari Vicious Little Killers	Posted - 2008.05.14 19:53:00 - [47] I think ambulation needs combat. It doesn't have to end in death, just a form of unconsciousness, etc... CCP will surely add it one day. Hell, even the backstory could be changed to accommodate cloning, etc..
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.14 19:58:00 - [48] Originally by: SiKong Ma I foresee that new players will find a jewelled hairpin will cost about the same as your Arbalest Heavy Launcher while a set of red leather outfit will cost more than your faction fitted CNR. Eve will no longer be about internet spaceships. It will be about piloting internet spaceships in sexy red leather outfits. The procedure will no longer be about getting into an unimplanted jump clone and go shooting each other in the face. It will be about getting into a naked (or those cheap caldari uniforms) unimplanted jump clones before going out to shoot each other in the face. PS: Yes, due to the quantity of Achuras around, I foresee new players will find a set of Caldari uniform the cheapest in the market. These are all strong arguments in favour of ambulation! CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Winterblink Body Count Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.14 19:59:00 - [49] Originally by: Elles D I for one would like to see something akin to Counterstrike in stations, CCP could do a partnership with valve jots down EVE Fortress 2 as comic idea warp drive active \| nature vraie
Johnny Gurkha Maleficus Cruentus Interfeci	Posted - 2008.05.14 20:19:00 - [50] I demand the right to give my victims a hug and a kiss... F@g-Online would be the ultimate in griefing MCI Recruitment
Nova Fox Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.14 21:06:00 - [51] Oh dear lord backdoor bandit... can you imagine? shudders (gets nightmares about it) New Ship Idea: Tender Supply Ship, The Logistics Sister
Elles D Caldari Contraband Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.15 14:51:00 - [52] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Elles D I for one would like to see something akin to Counterstrike in stations, CCP could do a partnership with valve jots down EVE Fortress 2 as comic idea You know it makes sense. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative	Posted - 2008.05.15 15:27:00 - [53] A dev said we could play igo in ambulation... Is that not enough of a reason to welcome it with open arms? --- Author of rTorrent, the BitTorrent client for real men and mice.
Mdram Caldari Point of No Return	Posted - 2008.05.15 15:57:00 - [54] i really dont see the point in this expansion put the effort into other stuff, like new ships, weapons, ect. although i would like to see what a large blaster could do to a person :) When in doubt, reload and fire another clip.

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