Originally by: Orree

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Edited by: Orree on 12/05/2008 22:24:19
Wow. While I knew the end might be near, I didn't it was today.

Triumvirate has a relatively short but brilliant space-holding history to be proud of. It was manned by a core of some of the very best pilots and FCs in EVE. I watched what Triumvirate did in building itself. It seemed to be onto something. Could they succeed where so many have failed in finding the right mix in creating, dare I say it--- a BoB-like entity? When I say that, I'm talking about a rare mix of military power, logistical prowess and will.

Speaking as a neighbor and frequent observer of TRI in action, I'd say it broke under the weight of its own successes. While TRI was a good group, the TRIWagon is what did it in. The people who flocked to TRI as it built its name through various successes were, in the end, not the type of people upon whom a space-holding alliance can be built. Fickle seekers and partakers of the Flavor of the Month.

Taking space is one thing and I'd say TRI did it pretty well. Holding space and all the things that go along with it are not what TRI was or wanted to be about. I could be wrong, but it seems to me that it was something that they gave a shot and found not to be to their liking. There is certainly much to not like.

An organization's goals and the asipirations/mindset of its people need to be aligned. It needs to be staffed by the type of people it takes to execute long term plans meet those goals. I think in Triumvirate's case, that was once true. However, when it became a space-holding alliance, I believe these two thing became increasingly divergent--- to the point that everly little thing that occurred became huge drama.

I don't know everything about how TRI worked internally. I don't know DORM very well. I can see from afar that they did the kind of work the rest of TRI probably had no interest in and got given a ration of crap for it. Granted...perhaps the ISK they were making made it worth the abuse they took from their alliance mates. I just know what it kind of effort it takes to maintain sovereignty over a a small, crappy region like Tribute. TRI held sway over more. People you can trust who do that kind of work are worth their weight in gold, if you want to be a space-holding alliance.

When I heard that recording a few weeks back that had that one guy...Dreamora or somesuch...berating a polite and level-headed DORM guy, I was thinking to myself, "If those beliefs and that kind of behavior are pervasive in TRI, its going to end soon and it won't be pretty."

Still, I felt that even if it ended, it wouldn't end until someone wrested Deklein from TRI's cold, dead hands. The end seems to have come much quicker than that. The aftermath of this announcement should prove interesting.


Best wishes and fair winds, guys...


P.S.: I actually started this message when there were only two posts in the thread...lol.

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Originally by: Darknesss

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I believe that for a lone alliance in our prime we were up there with the top alliances like BoB and RA in strength and skill.

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Originally by: Darknesss

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I believe that for a lone alliance in our prime we were up there with the top alliances like BoB and RA in strength and skill.

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Originally by: Rells

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Good luck and farewell to a worthy adversary.

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/* Also... ****.
This certainly puts a damper on eagerly anticipated pew-pew.
Do we at least get the honor of last TRI alliance-op against a POS? */

Originally by: Darknesss

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I believe that for a lone alliance in our prime we were up there with the top alliances like BoB and RA in strength and skill.

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Originally by: Orree

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Edited by: Orree on 12/05/2008 22:24:19
Wow. While I knew the end might be near, I didn't it was today.

Triumvirate has a relatively short but brilliant space-holding history to be proud of. It was manned by a core of some of the very best pilots and FCs in EVE. I watched what Triumvirate did in building itself. It seemed to be onto something. Could they succeed where so many have failed in finding the right mix in creating, dare I say it--- a BoB-like entity? When I say that, I'm talking about a rare mix of military power, logistical prowess and will.

Speaking as a neighbor and frequent observer of TRI in action, I'd say it broke under the weight of its own successes. While TRI was a good group, the TRIWagon is what did it in. The people who flocked to TRI as it built its name through various successes were, in the end, not the type of people upon whom a space-holding alliance can be built. Fickle seekers and partakers of the Flavor of the Month.

Taking space is one thing and I'd say TRI did it pretty well. Holding space and all the things that go along with it are not what TRI was or wanted to be about. I could be wrong, but it seems to me that it was something that they gave a shot and found not to be to their liking. There is certainly much to not like.

An organization's goals and the asipirations/mindset of its people need to be aligned. It needs to be staffed by the type of people it takes to execute long term plans meet those goals. I think in Triumvirate's case, that was once true. However, when it became a space-holding alliance, I believe these two thing became increasingly divergent--- to the point that everly little thing that occurred became huge drama.

I don't know everything about how TRI worked internally. I don't know DORM very well. I can see from afar that they did the kind of work the rest of TRI probably had no interest in and got given a ration of crap for it. Granted...perhaps the ISK they were making made it worth the abuse they took from their alliance mates. I just know what it kind of effort it takes to maintain sovereignty over a a small, crappy region like Tribute. TRI held sway over more. People you can trust who do that kind of work are worth their weight in gold, if you want to be a space-holding alliance.

When I heard that recording a few weeks back that had that one guy...Dreamora or somesuch...berating a polite and level-headed DORM guy, I was thinking to myself, "If those beliefs and that kind of behavior are pervasive in TRI, its going to end soon and it won't be pretty."

Still, I felt that even if it ended, it wouldn't end until someone wrested Deklein from TRI's cold, dead hands. The end seems to have come much quicker than that. The aftermath of this announcement should prove interesting.


Best wishes and fair winds, guys...


P.S.: I actually started this message when there were only two posts in the thread...lol.

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Originally by: Mike Huckabee

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First Bruce and now Tri. Are paper tigers going extinct.

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Originally by: Securion Wolfheart

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Doom and Dorm, you guys carried the Tri alliance on your shoulders while the "l33t cool kids" ****ed on you. I belive there is a large silent majority that realizes what must be done to hold space. POS work, logistics, build caps, fly caps, x up, build stations, etc. And only a really great corp can do it all at once.

Both Dorm and Doom are that kind of great corps.

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Originally by: Darknesss

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I believe that for a lone alliance in our prime we were up there with the top alliances like BoB and RA in strength and skill.

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Originally by: Urban II

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Originally by: Securion Wolfheart

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Doom and Dorm, you guys carried the Tri alliance on your shoulders while the "l33t cool kids" ****ed on you. I belive there is a large silent majority that realizes what must be done to hold space. POS work, logistics, build caps, fly caps, x up, build stations, etc. And only a really great corp can do it all at once.

Both Dorm and Doom are that kind of great corps.

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loooooooool

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