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Kalast Raven	Posted - 2004.04.30 00:48:00 - [1] I'm going to make a long multi-post chatlog post here. The chatlog is posted in it's entirety to prove authenticity. Please refrain from replying until its done. Anyway - let me set the stage. Copiae Dius was robbed last night by member name Ender Wiggins. Ender had been a member in good standing for 3 months, and his prior CEO's had nothing bad to say about him. Early estimate of our losses range from 400M, to over 1B. ------------------------------------------------------------ Channelname: Corp Listener: Kalast Raven Session started: 2004.04.29 20:55:18 ------------------------------------------------------------ [ 2004.04.29 20:55:35 ] Kalast Raven > back [ 2004.04.29 21:45:23 ] Kalast Raven > omg the traitor has left we can use this again [ 2004.04.29 21:45:40 ] Ariel322 > thank goodness [ 2004.04.29 21:47:30 ] General Stargazer > lol [ 2004.04.29 21:51:12 ] General Stargazer > is ilya there? [ 2004.04.29 21:51:22 ] Kalast Raven > he's been afk [ 2004.04.29 21:51:27 ] Ariel322 > hes afk [ 2004.04.29 21:51:47 ] General Stargazer > luke, may i b as bold as to return some money, plus interest :) [ 2004.04.29 21:52:32 ] General Stargazer > quafte [ 2004.04.29 21:52:41 ] General Stargazer > lol interesting spelling [ 2004.04.29 21:52:54 ] Kalast Raven > whats up? [ 2004.04.29 21:53:28 ] General Stargazer > 3 messages up [ 2004.04.29 21:53:31 ] General Stargazer > :) [ 2004.04.29 21:53:46 ] Kalast Raven > no keep it [ 2004.04.29 21:53:50 ] Kalast Raven > i dont mind [ 2004.04.29 21:53:57 ] Kalast Raven > you probably need it more than me [ 2004.04.29 21:54:20 ] Kalast Raven > phil im going to X-70 [ 2004.04.29 21:54:21 ] General Stargazer > /emote has 18m :) [ 2004.04.29 21:54:32 ] Kalast Raven > thern we can go to fade or wherever [ 2004.04.29 21:54:36 ] Kalast Raven > - nice man [ 2004.04.29 21:54:48 ] General Stargazer > :) [ 2004.04.29 21:54:52 ] Kalast Raven > you'll be in a bs soon at this rate [ 2004.04.29 21:55:06 ] General Stargazer > lol [ 2004.04.29 21:55:12 ] Ariel322 > thats the prob get to 6nj we need to go q-7 for some farming so I can get some mins for ammo [ 2004.04.29 21:55:24 ] General Stargazer > noo, few more months, prehaps a more sustainable income [ 2004.04.29 21:56:05 ] Kalast Raven > when you have 75m, you should hop in a lvl 1 bs [ 2004.04.29 21:56:32 ] Kalast Raven > when you get close we'll help ya out [ 2004.04.29 21:56:52 ] Kalast Raven > so you need ammo? [ 2004.04.29 21:56:57 ] General Stargazer > lol ariel talks and 4 of my windows flash [ 2004.04.29 21:57:01 ] General Stargazer > corp [ 2004.04.29 21:57:05 ] Ariel322 > lots and lots of ammo [ 2004.04.29 21:57:05 ] General Stargazer > NAST [ 2004.04.29 21:57:18 ] General Stargazer > and eve uni. wait thats 3 :) [ 2004.04.29 21:57:35 ] Ariel322 > lol [ 2004.04.29 21:58:51 ] Kalast Raven > so ill get in a hauler and haul ammo up [ 2004.04.29 21:58:51 ] General Stargazer > hmm i also have 2 implants :) [ 2004.04.29 21:59:13 ] General Stargazer > memory and perception or something like that [ 2004.04.29 21:59:16 ] Ariel322 > u got ammo there? [ 2004.04.29 21:59:20 ] Kalast Raven > what kinds you need? [ 2004.04.29 21:59:41 ] Ariel322 > uranium and tungsten [ 2004.04.29 21:59:58 ] General Stargazer > u using your intercetor then i take it :) [ 2004.04.29 22:00:05 ] General Stargazer > sorry for sp :) [ 2004.04.29 22:00:06 ] Ariel322 > no my mega [ 2004.04.29 22:00:18 ] Kalast Raven > you need large uranium and tungsten [ 2004.04.29 22:00:26 ] Ariel322 > yep [ 2004.04.29 22:00:27 ] Kalast Raven > ok ill see whats around [ 2004.04.29 22:00:37 ] General Stargazer > oo i c [ 2004.04.29 22:01:51 ] Ilya Murametz > back [ 2004.04.29 22:02:04 ] Ariel322 > wb [ 2004.04.29 22:02:04 ] Kalast Raven > wb ilya [ 2004.04.29 22:02:13 ] General Stargazer > wb m8y [ 2004.04.29 22:02:13 ] General Stargazer > my dad managed to fry my home pc, on my laptop now, wierd with a laptop mouse, used it on here b4, but its a thing u gotta get used too i suppose [ 2004.04.29 22:02:31 ] Ilya Murametz > hello [ 2004.04.29 22:02:34 ] Ariel322 > we tryin to get stuff sorted [ 2004.04.29 22:02:51 ] Ilya Murametz > how [ 2004.04.29 22:03:24 ] General Stargazer > ilya sending 5m to help with the recovery :) u want it too u or the corp wallet ? [ 2004.04.29 22:03:28 ] Ariel322 > well for starters we goin on a rat farming trip for mods and stuff in venal then fade and then around huola somewhere [ 2004.04.29 22:03:43 ] Ariel322 > then we gonna mine rares for a bit [ 2004.04.29 22:04:00 ] Ariel322 > I made arrange menst with a few friends to trade rares for common mins [ 2004.04.29 22:04:08 ] Ariel322 > atleast its a start [ 2004.04.29 22:04:20 ] Ilya Murametz > corp general, thanks a lot [ 2004.04.29 22:04:24 ] Ariel322 > and we use the bounty money to pay for the tech 2 components we lost [ 2004.04.29 22:04:36 ] Ilya Murametz > what bounty money ------- K. Raven
Kalast Raven	Posted - 2004.04.30 00:51:00 - [2] [ 2004.04.29 22:04:48 ] Ariel322 > from when we go rat farming [ 2004.04.29 22:05:03 ] Ariel322 > and btw both schizmo and ender have been podded [ 2004.04.29 22:05:15 ] Ariel322 > I have their corpse in our hangar [ 2004.04.29 22:05:29 ] General Stargazer > ok done :) [ 2004.04.29 22:05:36 ] Ilya Murametz > thanks a bunch [ 2004.04.29 22:05:53 ] Ilya Murametz > imagine if he had access to our restricted hangar and corp wallet [ 2004.04.29 22:06:05 ] General Stargazer > i'll get another 5/10 btw over :) [ 2004.04.29 22:06:09 ] Ariel322 > yep lets not imagine that [ 2004.04.29 22:06:13 ] Kalast Raven > i got 20k large uranium [ 2004.04.29 22:06:16 ] General Stargazer > by the weekend lol [ 2004.04.29 22:06:26 ] Ariel322 > excellent luke [ 2004.04.29 22:06:33 ] Ilya Murametz > we'll work together we'll pull through this [ 2004.04.29 22:06:44 ] Ilya Murametz > we still got all our bps and all our ships [ 2004.04.29 22:06:44 ] Ariel322 > thats the idea man [ 2004.04.29 22:06:49 ] Ariel322 > we aint quitters [ 2004.04.29 22:06:49 ] Kalast Raven > and 13k large tungsten [ 2004.04.29 22:06:53 ] General Stargazer > :) [ 2004.04.29 22:07:05 ] Ariel322 > k luke thats pretty much enough for a while for me [ 2004.04.29 22:07:09 ] Ilya Murametz > who poded them 2**s? [ 2004.04.29 22:07:17 ] Ariel322 > I got ender [ 2004.04.29 22:07:26 ] Ariel322 > koval got schizmo [ 2004.04.29 22:07:28 ] General Stargazer > :) [ 2004.04.29 22:08:43 ] General Stargazer > may i b as bold as asking what is in the resticted hanger, name makes it sound fancy :) [ 2004.04.29 22:08:54 ] Kalast Raven > mostly crap [ 2004.04.29 22:09:01 ] General Stargazer > lol [ 2004.04.29 22:09:01 ] Ariel322 > nothin much realyy skills and crap [ 2004.04.29 22:09:15 ] Kalast Raven > it would have been better he looted that than the weapons hanger [ 2004.04.29 22:09:27 ] General Stargazer > hmm crap appeared twice....becoming supsucous lol [ 2004.04.29 22:10:22 ] General Stargazer > did he get any mins? [ 2004.04.29 22:10:32 ] Kalast Raven > if we use the restricted hanger to stop huge piles of stuff accumulating in the lower hangers - things like this wont happen [ 2004.04.29 22:10:42 ] Kalast Raven > yeah you could say that [ 2004.04.29 22:10:49 ] Kalast Raven > he got all the mins [ 2004.04.29 22:10:50 ] General Stargazer > ? [ 2004.04.29 22:10:56 ] General Stargazer > oh i c [ 2004.04.29 22:11:02 ] General Stargazer > ** [ 2004.04.29 22:11:07 ] General Stargazer > hmm [ 2004.04.29 22:12:28 ] Darken Two > im so so glad I was too lazy to put some mods back in the hangar [ 2004.04.29 22:13:10 ] Kalast Raven > yeah, i have a stockpile of some hauler/cruiser junk [ 2004.04.29 22:13:44 ] Kalast Raven > if i can dock in 6nj i could do a halfway decent job of restocking hangers [ 2004.04.29 22:13:48 ] Darken Two > Ilya u got enough mods for the apoc in ur personal hangar? [ 2004.04.29 22:13:59 ] Ilya Murametz > no [ 2004.04.29 22:14:00 ] Darken Two > why cant u dock? [ 2004.04.29 22:14:07 ] Ilya Murametz > i dont keep anything in personell hangars ever [ 2004.04.29 22:14:09 ] Kalast Raven > -5.02 guristas standing [ 2004.04.29 22:14:11 ] Kalast Raven > crap [ 2004.04.29 22:14:16 ] Darken Two > what u need cos I got some laser boat stuff here [ 2004.04.29 22:14:33 ] Ilya Murametz > apoc is combat fitted righ tnow [ 2004.04.29 22:14:48 ] Darken Two > thats ok luke ill meet u at a planet with an indy to collect stuff [ 2004.04.29 22:15:02 ] Ilya Murametz > all the rare raven hybrid guns are gone though [ 2004.04.29 22:15:10 ] Darken Two > ** [ 2004.04.29 22:15:23 ] Ilya Murametz > just escrow it to nasad from where ever luke [ 2004.04.29 22:15:44 ] Darken Two > he sbringin me ammo ilya [ 2004.04.29 22:15:48 ] Kalast Raven > not really reasonable...theres over 500 items [ 2004.04.29 22:16:10 ] Darken Two > bring it over luke we can transfer it when ur here [ 2004.04.29 22:16:27 ] Kalast Raven > im coming up in a hauler [ 2004.04.29 22:16:39 ] Darken Two > afk while i grab a little dinner [ 2004.04.29 22:16:54 ] Kalast Raven > il eject the hauler at a 6nj moon [ 2004.04.29 22:16:59 ] Kalast Raven > so someone can dock it [ 2004.04.29 22:17:23 ] Kalast Raven > we have a guy who can fly badger? [ 2004.04.29 22:17:29 ] Kalast Raven > badger mk 2 at that? [ 2004.04.29 22:18:34 ] Nardeen > hi [ 2004.04.29 22:18:35 ] Ilya Murametz > yes [ 2004.04.29 22:18:38 ] Ilya Murametz > hi martin [ 2004.04.29 22:18:50 ] Ilya Murametz > capt jacks and Lt zar can both fly one luke [ 2004.04.29 22:18:54 ] Kalast Raven > ok cool [ 2004.04.29 22:19:10 ] Nardeen > have some new? ------- K. Raven
Kalast Raven	Posted - 2004.04.30 00:53:00 - [3] [ 2004.04.29 22:19:18 ] Kalast Raven > im bringing a pile of crap with [ 2004.04.29 22:20:27 ] Ilya Murametz > i'm gonna review members acces for a while [ 2004.04.29 22:20:49 ] General Stargazer > :) fair doos [ 2004.04.29 22:22:52 ] General Stargazer > not gunna see much from me, infact i'm planning on putting more in than taking out, just wait till u c what i have stored up, unfortuantly its a mix of mid/low weapons, mins i have collected and not moved or refined, plus all agent rewards for the past, oooo 3 weeks :) [ 2004.04.29 22:23:20 ] General Stargazer > most of that was cash i just sent :) [ 2004.04.29 22:23:26 ] Kalast Raven > i have 8000 cargo space full of stuff from my lvl 3 agent base [ 2004.04.29 22:23:32 ] General Stargazer > hello martin :) [ 2004.04.29 22:24:08 ] General Stargazer > well well:) [ 2004.04.29 22:24:53 ] Ilya Murametz > HE IS SELLING **** ON TRADE [ 2004.04.29 22:25:11 ] General Stargazer > ? [ 2004.04.29 22:25:26 ] Ilya Murametz > he is in huola [ 2004.04.29 22:25:54 ] General Stargazer > who [ 2004.04.29 22:25:56 ] General Stargazer > what [ 2004.04.29 22:25:58 ] General Stargazer > hewh [ 2004.04.29 22:26:01 ] General Stargazer > lol [ 2004.04.29 22:26:36 ] Kalast Raven > we should set up for long range and pod anyone going in or out of the huola station [ 2004.04.29 22:27:19 ] General Stargazer > hehe or get someone to stalk him...... [ 2004.04.29 22:27:23 ] General Stargazer > :) [ 2004.04.29 22:27:52 ] General Stargazer > what r his alt names? [ 2004.04.29 22:28:55 ] Kalast Raven > Schizmo and Juansevla [ 2004.04.29 22:29:09 ] General Stargazer > ty [ 2004.04.29 22:30:39 ] Nardeen > just sell 3 other 425mm, 600k for the corp [ 2004.04.29 22:31:37 ] General Stargazer > /emote might log on his honest newbie in his rifter :) [ 2004.04.29 22:35:02 ] General Stargazer > and follow ender :) [ 2004.04.29 22:35:27 ] General Stargazer > i really wish ccp would incorperate my ideas, at a time like this the'd b usefull :) [ 2004.04.29 22:38:25 ] Darken Two > k bk [ 2004.04.29 22:39:40 ] General Stargazer > 12x 720mm Carbine Howitzer-700 k 1x 720mm Gallium Cannon- 1.3 mil 1x 250mm Compressed Coil Gun- 3 mil 2x Quad Lif Fueled Booster Rock.(100MN 40% )-5 mil 1x Lif Fueled Booster Rockets (100MN 40% )-1.8 mil 5x Type-D Altered SS Nanofiber(22speed,inertia15%)-250k 1x `Orion` Tracking CPU(range 1.115,tr speed 1.23%)-1.1m 2x F-12 Nonlinear Tracking(range 1.11,tr speed 1.22%)-350k [ 2004.04.29 22:39:54 ] General Stargazer > would u reccomend any of them for a crusier? [ 2004.04.29 22:40:55 ] Kalast Raven > if you want a 720 gallium [ 2004.04.29 22:41:10 ] Darken Two > . [ 2004.04.29 22:41:13 ] Darken Two > . [ 2004.04.29 22:41:23 ] Kalast Raven > its yours for free [ 2004.04.29 22:41:29 ] Kalast Raven > its in my indy hold now [ 2004.04.29 22:42:04 ] Ilya Murametz > feckign bad timing......guest from Ny be here in 4-5 hours [ 2004.04.29 22:42:17 ] General Stargazer > :) [ 2004.04.29 22:42:40 ] General Stargazer > luke moneys on its way [ 2004.04.29 22:42:53 ] Darken Two > dont worry u go do what you have to me and luke will do what we can in the meanwhile [ 2004.04.29 22:43:02 ] Kalast Raven > yeah [ 2004.04.29 22:43:08 ] Kalast Raven > we'll restock 6nj [ 2004.04.29 22:43:16 ] Kalast Raven > then we'll do empire later [ 2004.04.29 22:43:57 ] General Stargazer > luke just leave it in 6nj, i'll collect it sometime, but the 1.3m should b in your wallet [ 2004.04.29 22:43:58 ] Darken Two > yep [ 2004.04.29 22:44:05 ] Kalast Raven > ok [ 2004.04.29 22:44:12 ] Kalast Raven > ill put the 1.3 to the corp [ 2004.04.29 22:44:44 ] Darken Two > luke what indy u ridin? [ 2004.04.29 22:44:50 ] Kalast Raven > badger mk2 [ 2004.04.29 22:45:06 ] Darken Two > damn nm [ 2004.04.29 22:45:11 ] General Stargazer > how much cap is there in that? [ 2004.04.29 22:45:24 ] Kalast Raven > almost 10k [ 2004.04.29 22:46:08 ] General Stargazer > ok ty [ 2004.04.29 22:46:19 ] Kalast Raven > you mean the gun 1 sec [ 2004.04.29 22:46:20 ] General Stargazer > just comparing [ 2004.04.29 22:47:06 ] General Stargazer > ? [ 2004.04.29 22:47:15 ] General Stargazer > no your ship [ 2004.04.29 22:47:15 ] General Stargazer > :) [ 2004.04.29 22:47:32 ] Kalast Raven > dmg 5.5x, volume 10, tracking .0055, Rate of fire 15.75 sec, 30000m falloff, 22km optimal [ 2004.04.29 22:47:45 ] General Stargazer > soz should have made it clearer [ 2004.04.29 22:47:51 ] General Stargazer > ahh cool ty anyway [ 2004.04.29 22:51:17 ] Kalast Raven > i have picked up most of the ammo, still one more stop before i head up [ 2004.04.29 22:51:26 ] Kalast Raven > to grab the tungstne [ 2004.04.29 22:52:24 ] Kalast Raven > /emote begins training caldari industrial 4 [ 2004.04.29 22:52:31 ] Kalast Raven > since i fly the damn things so much [ 2004.04.29 22:52:41 ] Nardeen > about to start mining in oipo, will start ammo production after that ------- K. Raven
Kalast Raven	Posted - 2004.04.30 00:54:00 - [4] [ 2004.04.29 22:54:21 ] General Stargazer > /emote just realises he has no usefull skills when something like this happends :) [ 2004.04.29 22:54:59 ] Kalast Raven > we have naj - she handles any production requirements nicely [ 2004.04.29 22:54:59 ] Nardeen > well, you can do agent mission? [ 2004.04.29 22:55:14 ] General Stargazer > red wants ya phil in eve uni chat [ 2004.04.29 22:56:35 ] General Stargazer > i can do agent missions, but thats about all i can do, as i'm giving all none isk rewards too the corp atm [ 2004.04.29 22:58:26 ] Nardeen > do you get T2 component? [ 2004.04.29 22:58:52 ] General Stargazer > i do [ 2004.04.29 22:58:52 ] Nardeen > only mission give them :) [ 2004.04.29 22:58:53 ] Kalast Raven > i got a pile of some t2 stuff in my indy now [ 2004.04.29 22:59:03 ] Kalast Raven > should i drop in oipo? [ 2004.04.29 22:59:11 ] Kalast Raven > or bring to 6nj [ 2004.04.29 22:59:33 ] Darken Two > drop tech 2 stuff in oipo [ 2004.04.29 22:59:36 ] General Stargazer > and i'm gunna ship most of my stuff 2morrow, 2 wherever u want it [ 2004.04.29 23:04:55 ] General Stargazer > hmm, i'm gunna finish this kill mission then i g2g [ 2004.04.29 23:05:11 ] Ilya Murametz > ok general [ 2004.04.29 23:05:15 ] Kalast Raven > see ya [ 2004.04.29 23:05:24 ] Darken Two > cyas [ 2004.04.29 23:05:28 ] Ilya Murametz > latas bud [ 2004.04.29 23:05:34 ] Nardeen > cya later [ 2004.04.29 23:08:09 ] Kalast Raven > Im going on a run to the vending machine [ 2004.04.29 23:08:18 ] Darken Two > k [ 2004.04.29 23:08:53 ] Kalast Raven > gotta log in my alt to scout it first [ 2004.04.29 23:09:23 ] Kalast Raven > or something [ 2004.04.29 23:09:51 ] Darken Two > im anchoring a giant can at pl 1 for u to drop any stuff [ 2004.04.29 23:10:11 ] Kalast Raven > cool [ 2004.04.29 23:10:26 ] Nardeen > i'm putting my stuff in corp hangar, you can use it, but try not to haul it to every office :) [ 2004.04.29 23:10:43 ] Najovia Destis > lol [ 2004.04.29 23:10:54 ] Darken Two > lol [ 2004.04.29 23:14:32 ] Darken Two > same password as other can luke its 'tool' [ 2004.04.29 23:15:13 ] Kalast Raven > ok [ 2004.04.29 23:15:22 ] Kalast Raven > so im 1 jump from my ammo [ 2004.04.29 23:15:27 ] Kalast Raven > then i go to oipo [ 2004.04.29 23:15:30 ] Kalast Raven > then to 6nj [ 2004.04.29 23:15:37 ] Darken Two > k [ 2004.04.29 23:16:16 ] Najovia Destis > he is feckign selling the ** right under out nose in huola [ 2004.04.29 23:16:28 ] Najovia Destis > he got much of buyers over here right now talking to him in local [ 2004.04.29 23:16:44 ] Darken Two > which alt is it? [ 2004.04.29 23:16:49 ] Kalast Raven > take their names, and tell them your taking their names [ 2004.04.29 23:16:52 ] General Stargazer > schiz [ 2004.04.29 23:16:52 ] Najovia Destis > schizmo [ 2004.04.29 23:17:06 ] Darken Two > *** ** [ 2004.04.29 23:17:27 ] Kalast Raven > and tell me the names so they get standing -10 [ 2004.04.29 23:17:33 ] Kalast Raven > im making a list [ 2004.04.29 23:18:03 ] Nardeen > put 111 items in ship module and 27 in weapons and ammo, in oipo [ 2004.04.29 23:20:13 ] Ilya Murametz > thanks martin [ 2004.04.29 23:21:20 ] Nardeen > i just count my bpo, i have 97 of them :) [ 2004.04.29 23:22:07 ] Nardeen > some are good and some are craps, this is most of what i have or get when my friends quit 6 month ago [ 2004.04.29 23:23:59 ] Ilya Murametz > well i guess i'm gonna start diggin out here for a little bit till they show up [ 2004.04.29 23:24:30 ] Kalast Raven > damn luminaire is 14 jumps from oipo [ 2004.04.29 23:25:02 ] General Stargazer > don't u really hate it when u load up a game just too do one thing, like change a skill, and get really envolved, and before u know it you've been up all night, cya l8rz all, btw its a gd thing :) [ 2004.04.29 23:25:21 ] Ilya Murametz > :) gnight G[ 2004.04.29 23:25:21 ] Kalast Raven > heh i know the feeling [ 2004.04.29 23:25:30 ] Kalast Raven > see ys [ 2004.04.29 23:25:52 ] Darken Two > ilya take a look at shipyard hangar now [ 2004.04.29 23:26:08 ] Darken Two > its not a lot but its a start [ 2004.04.29 23:27:49 ] Ilya Murametz > i'm far far away from shipyard [ 2004.04.29 23:28:07 ] Darken Two > oh ok nm then [ 2004.04.29 23:39:29 ] Ilya Murametz > eve guardian contacted me [ 2004.04.29 23:39:51 ] Darken Two > and.... [ 2004.04.29 23:39:51 ] Ilya Murametz > they ask if we are willing ot put a statemnt on EG [ 2004.04.29 23:40:04 ] Darken Two > yes [ 2004.04.29 23:40:31 ] Darken Two > nothing emotional but make very clear how the scam was run through two accounts [ 2004.04.29 23:40:44 ] Ilya Murametz > any points of this you can come up with email them to me i'll combine it all with my stuff and send it to this representative [ 2004.04.29 23:40:58 ] Darken Two > yes im making a mail for you now [ 2004.04.29 23:41:42 ] Darken Two > k im typing it as I would make a statement just take what you want and dump the rest ------- K. Raven
Kalast Raven	Posted - 2004.04.30 00:54:00 - [5] [ 2004.04.29 23:42:01 ] Ilya Murametz > i'm gonna farm in 2th for a bit [ 2004.04.29 23:42:22 ] Darken Two > k ill join you once I get this done this needs some thinkin [ 2004.04.29 23:43:22 ] Ilya Murametz > no prob [ 2004.04.29 23:43:34 ] Ilya Murametz > i was gonna mine but this is easier while i think stuff through [ 2004.04.29 23:56:08 ] Darken Two > k sent u some stuff u can just take whatever u need from it [ 2004.04.29 23:56:22 ] Ilya Murametz > good deal [ 2004.04.29 23:56:38 ] Ilya Murametz > i got 20million convoes goign from different people offering us stuff [ 2004.04.29 23:57:24 ] Kalast Raven > im 2 jumps from oipo to drop off my t2 mods [ 2004.04.29 23:57:34 ] Darken Two > lol i know I got a few covoes from fade guys even [ 2004.04.29 23:57:59 ] Kalast Raven > oh btw i removed marlee and explosivo's hanger access. hope no one minds [ 2004.04.29 23:58:10 ] Darken Two > whos marlee? [ 2004.04.29 23:58:17 ] Kalast Raven > exactly [ 2004.04.29 23:58:24 ] Darken Two > lol [ 2004.04.29 23:58:46 ] Nardeen > marlee? [ 2004.04.29 23:58:55 ] Kalast Raven > he's a noob i recruited back in jan-feb never online much [ 2004.04.29 23:59:23 ] Ilya Murametz > yea i went over access roster also [ 2004.04.29 23:59:23 ] Nardeen > there is 4 ender wiggen with some variation... [ 2004.04.29 23:59:54 ] Darken Two > yea martin I saw that as well [ 2004.04.30 00:00:09 ] Kalast Raven > the one i hired was in a lot of previous corps and i remembered him (vaguely) from Blade corp. [ 2004.04.30 00:00:27 ] Darken Two > its a name from a scifi book [ 2004.04.30 00:00:36 ] Nardeen > oh! [ 2004.04.30 00:00:40 ] Kalast Raven > blade corp had had about 50 members but they were good ppl in general [ 2004.04.30 00:01:27 ] Kalast Raven > so i didnt have any real indicators that were bad, except i guess he didnt log in much [ 2004.04.30 00:02:52 ] Darken Two > its either a sold or a misused account prolly not the same guy [ 2004.04.30 00:03:37 ] Kalast Raven > im thinking he sold the account while he was in solaris, then the new owner went shopping for a corp [ 2004.04.30 00:04:03 ] Kalast Raven > oh hi [ 2004.04.30 00:04:33 ] Ender Wiggens > i bought this account a week ago [ 2004.04.30 00:04:36 ] Ender Wiggens > if you must know=) [ 2004.04.30 00:04:44 ] Darken Two > luke ETA to 6nj? [ 2004.04.30 00:04:56 ] Kalast Raven > someone save the chatlog [ 2004.04.30 00:05:22 ] Kalast Raven > ok [ 2004.04.30 00:05:37 ] Ender Wiggens > bought as in paid him so isk [ 2004.04.30 00:05:48 ] Kalast Raven > so I suppose their isnt anything else to talk about [ 2004.04.30 00:06:30 ] Ender Wiggens > nope [ 2004.04.30 00:06:41 ] Ender Wiggens > can you please kick me out of this corp, that would be great thanks [ 2004.04.30 00:06:43 ] Darken Two > yea man hope you are real proud of yourself [ 2004.04.30 00:06:43 ] Kalast Raven > this isnt your first theft [ 2004.04.30 00:06:55 ] Kalast Raven > you've done this before i sense it [ 2004.04.30 00:07:01 ] Ender Wiggens > it isnt? [ 2004.04.30 00:07:12 ] Ender Wiggens > oh yeah all the time, not [ 2004.04.30 00:07:13 ] Kalast Raven > it was a pro job [ 2004.04.30 00:07:18 ] Ender Wiggens > lol [ 2004.04.30 00:07:22 ] Ender Wiggens > damn i must be good [ 2004.04.30 00:07:31 ] Darken Two > why tho? [ 2004.04.30 00:07:31 ] Ilya Murametz > nah just a looser with no life [ 2004.04.30 00:08:03 ] Ender Wiggens > since no one here seems to like me kick me from the corp please [ 2004.04.30 00:08:07 ] Kalast Raven > so - how much did the account cost? [ 2004.04.30 00:08:18 ] Ender Wiggens > i did buy it i was joking [ 2004.04.30 00:08:18 ] Ilya Murametz > cant kick your idit ass [ 2004.04.30 00:08:29 ] Ender Wiggens > so i can just stay in as long as i cant? [ 2004.04.30 00:08:31 ] Ender Wiggens > hah [ 2004.04.30 00:08:56 ] Ender Wiggens > ok let me make this simpler how do i leave? [ 2004.04.30 00:09:15 ] Kalast Raven > we love you you cant leave us [ 2004.04.30 00:09:21 ] Kalast Raven > you have to stay [ 2004.04.30 00:09:25 ] Darken Two > where u goin anyway? [ 2004.04.30 00:09:31 ] Kalast Raven > i dont want to have to pay my agent to find you [ 2004.04.30 00:09:37 ] Ender Wiggens > quiting eve [ 2004.04.30 00:09:49 ] Darken Two > then why rob us? [ 2004.04.30 00:09:58 ] Ender Wiggens > a friends request [ 2004.04.30 00:10:19 ] Darken Two > dont be ridiculous we dont have any enemies as far as we know [ 2004.04.30 00:10:28 ] Ender Wiggens > i know [ 2004.04.30 00:10:45 ] Ender Wiggens > he wasnt an enemy [ 2004.04.30 00:10:48 ] Darken Two > then why? [ 2004.04.30 00:11:30 ] Darken Two > its a game and all man but we slogged our asses off for all that stuff [ 2004.04.30 00:11:32 ] Ender Wiggens > why is not the question you should be asking [ 2004.04.30 00:11:37 ] Ender Wiggens > how is the question [ 2004.04.30 00:11:57 ] Ender Wiggens > how did 1 person completely clear out a corp in less than an hour ------- K. Raven
Kalast Raven	Posted - 2004.04.30 00:55:00 - [6] [ 2004.04.30 00:11:58 ] Kalast Raven > you clonejumped from place to place and moved everything into a personal hanger [ 2004.04.30 00:12:05 ] Darken Two > how is easy u transferred all the stuff to a second account [ 2004.04.30 00:12:06 ] Ender Wiggens > no clone jumping [ 2004.04.30 00:12:16 ] Ender Wiggens > invloved [ 2004.04.30 00:12:28 ] Ilya Murametz > it was more than one hour [ 2004.04.30 00:12:40 ] Ender Wiggens > maybe 1.5 hours [ 2004.04.30 00:12:43 ] Ender Wiggens > but it was close [ 2004.04.30 00:12:59 ] Kalast Raven > so how much is 100 mil isk worth [ 2004.04.30 00:13:02 ] Darken Two > thats not possible [ 2004.04.30 00:13:14 ] Darken Two > thats more than 50 jumps [ 2004.04.30 00:13:38 ] Ender Wiggens > shuttle=) [ 2004.04.30 00:13:46 ] Ender Wiggens > and it was 42 jumps [ 2004.04.30 00:14:05 ] Darken Two > ok so the how part is answrered but why? [ 2004.04.30 00:14:12 ] Kalast Raven > you know your old ceo's said you were a nice guy [ 2004.04.30 00:14:16 ] Kalast Raven > how'd you fool them [ 2004.04.30 00:14:29 ] Ender Wiggens > maybe i was [ 2004.04.30 00:14:33 ] Ender Wiggens > im not the original [ 2004.04.30 00:14:49 ] Darken Two > why did you rob us tho [ 2004.04.30 00:15:29 ] Ender Wiggens > why not, i dont know any of you, no attachements have been made and i had thousands of items at my disposal [ 2004.04.30 00:15:42 ] Ender Wiggens > as i said, the original may have been a nice guy [ 2004.04.30 00:15:45 ] Darken Two > but u said u were quitting [ 2004.04.30 00:15:55 ] Ender Wiggens > i am [ 2004.04.30 00:15:57 ] Darken Two > what you need the items for [ 2004.04.30 00:15:57 ] Ender Wiggens > im not keeping the items [ 2004.04.30 00:16:03 ] Ender Wiggens > they are going to a friend [ 2004.04.30 00:16:03 ] Darken Two > huh? [ 2004.04.30 00:16:16 ] Ender Wiggens > well a friend already has them [ 2004.04.30 00:16:29 ] Darken Two > man u throwin us in the deep end just becos u dont know us well enough? [ 2004.04.30 00:16:40 ] Ender Wiggens > no no no [ 2004.04.30 00:17:04 ] Darken Two > I mean what did we do to you or your friend [ 2004.04.30 00:17:12 ] Ender Wiggens > i "aquired" this account 1.5 weeks ago cause the game looked cool and my friend recommended it [ 2004.04.30 00:17:30 ] Darken Two > yea I understand that [ 2004.04.30 00:17:38 ] Darken Two > but we been nice to you [ 2004.04.30 00:17:45 ] Darken Two > we didnt desrve this [ 2004.04.30 00:17:49 ] Ender Wiggens > the game takes to much time and i dont ahve time to play it [ 2004.04.30 00:18:18 ] Darken Two > but we wanna play and you have just ruined 11 months of our work [ 2004.04.30 00:18:30 ] Darken Two > thats why I asked why [ 2004.04.30 00:18:33 ] Ender Wiggens > wlel to be honst, i only wanted to do 1 hanger but my friend insisted i go for all to srew over pheonix whatever [ 2004.04.30 00:18:56 ] Ender Wiggens > but its done and over with now [ 2004.04.30 00:19:00 ] Ender Wiggens > your right you were nice to me [ 2004.04.30 00:19:14 ] Ilya Murametz > screw over pa ...lol [ 2004.04.30 00:19:14 ] Darken Two > we are a very small corp in the phoenix alliance man and you left us to beg now [ 2004.04.30 00:19:29 ] Darken Two > the PA isnt affected at all [ 2004.04.30 00:19:41 ] Darken Two > its just the few of us here that were screwed over [ 2004.04.30 00:19:42 ] Kalast Raven > so you shelled out like what $100 to buy this account and your just gonna give the stuff away? [ 2004.04.30 00:19:47 ] Kalast Raven > that doesnt make any sens [ 2004.04.30 00:20:18 ] Ender Wiggens > lets not bring real life money into this, we all know its against the games rules [ 2004.04.30 00:20:53 ] Kalast Raven > just sayin [ 2004.04.30 00:21:19 ] Ender Wiggens > i know your trying to get me to say something stupid [ 2004.04.30 00:21:21 ] Kalast Raven > did your friend buy it for you then with isk [ 2004.04.30 00:21:25 ] Kalast Raven > that must be it [ 2004.04.30 00:21:50 ] Kalast Raven > oh well screw it [ 2004.04.30 00:22:08 ] Ender Wiggens > no buying of anything was involved [ 2004.04.30 00:22:19 ] Ilya Murametz > lol [ 2004.04.30 00:22:23 ] Kalast Raven > you wouldnt be so good as to tell us his name? so we can go fight at least [ 2004.04.30 00:22:35 ] Darken Two > k so you went to all this trouble to just ruin the game for us? [ 2004.04.30 00:22:42 ] Ender Wiggens > no [ 2004.04.30 00:22:56 ] Ender Wiggens > not to ruin the game for you [ 2004.04.30 00:23:03 ] Kalast Raven > how many skill points does ender have? [ 2004.04.30 00:23:04 ] Ender Wiggens > you still hae wallets with money in them dont you? [ 2004.04.30 00:23:05 ] Ender Wiggens > go buy stuff [ 2004.04.30 00:23:13 ] Ender Wiggens > alot why [ 2004.04.30 00:23:24 ] Kalast Raven > i wonder if I could take him [ 2004.04.30 00:23:36 ] Kalast Raven > you want to fight it out before you cancel this account? [ 2004.04.30 00:23:48 ] Ender Wiggens > nto really ------- K. Raven
Kalast Raven	Posted - 2004.04.30 00:56:00 - [7] That concludes the chatlog portion of this post. Thanks for your time. I think the chatlog speaks for itself if you bothered to read this far. ------- K. Raven
Kalast Raven	Posted - 2004.04.30 00:56:00 - [8] [ 2004.04.30 00:23:57 ] Ender Wiggens > i just wana leave this corp and join my friends [ 2004.04.30 00:23:59 ] Darken Two > why not it will be fun [ 2004.04.30 00:24:03 ] Ilya Murametz > a true coward :) [ 2004.04.30 00:24:19 ] Ender Wiggens > not a coward, just lazy [ 2004.04.30 00:24:21 ] Ilya Murametz > how sad [ 2004.04.30 00:24:22 ] Kalast Raven > i know we're all fighting each other on who gets to fight you [ 2004.04.30 00:24:24 ] Darken Two > what you mean join your friends I thought u were quitting [ 2004.04.30 00:24:28 ] Ilya Murametz > a lazy coward .... [ 2004.04.30 00:24:31 ] Ilya Murametz > even better [ 2004.04.30 00:24:31 ] Ender Wiggens > i have no purpose [ 2004.04.30 00:24:37 ] Kalast Raven > he's quiting [ 2004.04.30 00:24:45 ] Kalast Raven > his friends gonna take it over [ 2004.04.30 00:24:48 ] Kalast Raven > remeber [ 2004.04.30 00:24:55 ] Ilya Murametz > make up your mind.......quittin, joining friends corp... [ 2004.04.30 00:24:59 ] Ilya Murametz > slipping bud [ 2004.04.30 00:24:59 ] Darken Two > what now im confused [ 2004.04.30 00:25:08 ] Ender Wiggens > i need to join my friends corp so he can take over my guy [ 2004.04.30 00:25:25 ] Darken Two > why ur friend can take it over right now [ 2004.04.30 00:25:51 ] Ender Wiggens > he wants this guy to be in his corp [ 2004.04.30 00:26:05 ] Darken Two > will you tell us his name? [ 2004.04.30 00:26:18 ] Ender Wiggens > sure [ 2004.04.30 00:26:29 ] Darken Two > k what is it? [ 2004.04.30 00:26:52 ] Ender Wiggens > Agorn [ 2004.04.30 00:26:58 ] Ender Wiggens > =) have fun [ 2004.04.30 00:27:46 ] Darken Two > wait a sec why does he want to screw the PA [ 2004.04.30 00:28:25 ] Darken Two > hes in a one man corp we couldnt possibly have done anything to upset him [ 2004.04.30 00:31:41 ] Cordite Sam > hello [ 2004.04.30 00:31:46 ] Cordite Sam > whats up tonight? [ 2004.04.30 00:31:50 ] Darken Two > so basically you "acquired" this account robbed us transferred assets and made up a story about the PA ? [ 2004.04.30 00:32:02 ] Cordite Sam > O.o [ 2004.04.30 00:32:20 ] Kalast Raven > Sam - Ender sold his acct [ 2004.04.30 00:32:33 ] Kalast Raven > and the new ender decided he wanted all our mods [ 2004.04.30 00:32:39 ] Kalast Raven > so thats where we stand [ 2004.04.30 00:33:02 ] Ender Wiggens > so if you could please remove me from the corp now we can both go our own ways [ 2004.04.30 00:33:12 ] Darken Two > it takes time [ 2004.04.30 00:33:33 ] Ender Wiggens > has the countdown started yet? [ 2004.04.30 00:33:33 ] Darken Two > unforyunately its not as fast as thieving [ 2004.04.30 00:33:41 ] Darken Two > yea sure [ 2004.04.30 00:33:45 ] Kalast Raven > the countdown is 24 hours [ 2004.04.30 00:33:46 ] Ender Wiggens > great [ 2004.04.30 00:33:49 ] Kalast Raven > so get cozy [ 2004.04.30 00:33:50 ] Darken Two > you didnt answer me tho [ 2004.04.30 00:33:53 ] Kalast Raven > we're all friends here [ 2004.04.30 00:34:18 ] Ender Wiggens > why would you wana be friends with a "theif" [ 2004.04.30 00:34:42 ] Kalast Raven > cause when your in my corp i can see your system locatino [ 2004.04.30 00:34:45 ] Darken Two > because we are nice people [ 2004.04.30 00:34:52 ] Kalast Raven > oops did i say that [ 2004.04.30 00:34:58 ] Kalast Raven > lol [ 2004.04.30 00:35:38 ] Ender Wiggens > you can pod me as much as you want but i cruising around in a shuttle with a clone so im nto sure if its worth your time [ 2004.04.30 00:35:42 ] Darken Two > so ender what did we do to your friend agorn anyway [ 2004.04.30 00:35:51 ] Ender Wiggens > i dont know [ 2004.04.30 00:36:04 ] Darken Two > as far as I can make out we dont even know him [ 2004.04.30 00:36:16 ] Ender Wiggens > lol i cant beleave kalast thought i was a professional corp theif [ 2004.04.30 00:36:29 ] Darken Two > man you decided to rob us blind without even a reason? [ 2004.04.30 00:38:26 ] Darken Two > and you thought we have money in our wallets to buy back all the stuff u took? [ 2004.04.30 00:38:28 ] Kalast Raven > I'm a bit more paranoid than most ppl ------- K. Raven
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2004.04.30 01:11:00 - [9] Originally by: Styrmir I read it all. What a loser that guy is.... I don't think I would have managed to be so "polite" to him. No dispute there; but, corp theft is only punishable in-game, and since the guy is quitting, you can't even do that. So ... sucks to be your corp. Sorry. _______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age."
Styrmir	Posted - 2004.04.30 01:11:00 - [10] I read it all. What a loser that guy is.... I don't think I would have managed to be so "polite" to him. Founder and Manager of The Misneden Shuttle Museum
Daka DreamStalker	Posted - 2004.04.30 01:12:00 - [11] Surely CCP have to make a compensation for this, this just can't be true, it ruins the game completely !! Damn, I can't believe anyone can be such a cold hearted thief Member of the Freelancing Corp. /// EVE Signature & Banner Design Your Civilian Blaster perfectly strikes Serpentis Fugitive, wrecking for 2 damage.
Zen Jakkaru	Posted - 2004.04.30 01:15:00 - [12] Ouch.. that sucks.I've heard about people scamming others for over 15 billion ISK, but CCP can't do a thing about it since its an exploit of trust.. not game mechanics. *Har-de-fraggin'-har-har!*
Frank Horrigan	Posted - 2004.04.30 01:22:00 - [13] thats not an exploit so it is legeal ... ccp wont do anything. corp theft in the hundreds of millions is so much fun Originally by: Oveur Originally by: Bhaal What has turned out better than expected? Everything. Remember, we're from Iceland. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This i
James McGowen	Posted - 2004.04.30 02:02:00 - [14] Is "aquiring" accounts like that technically legal? It seems semi-against the EULA. Then again, some people claim they are just being paid for the time going into the account not the account itself. I'd kinda like to hear what CCP says about that. ---------------------------------------- "To err is human" To really foul up requires a computer.
Darken Two	Posted - 2004.04.30 02:28:00 - [15] Hi all, Before this thread descends into the rights and wrongs of corp theft, I would like to restate our position. Copiae Dius understands that corp theft is a part of the game and as such is legal ingame. What we take exception to was that the person using the account was not the same person who we let join in our corp. As far as we see it, this is a clear violation of the EULA, since if we understand it correctly character ownership changes must be done with the knowledge of CCP and also the corp the character belongs to. Copiae Dius does not wish to debate morality or other such matters on these forums so kindly keep this thread flame free. Regards Darken Two Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
Aronis Contar	Posted - 2004.04.30 02:31:00 - [16] Just file a petition, I'm sure a GM will look into it. Scary stuff however. We tend to remove all access rights from anyone who stays away longer than a few days without notice, or when we notice a sudden "change" in someone (like completely different typing and spelling, etc...). Ciao, Aronis!
Ilya Murametz	Posted - 2004.04.30 03:49:00 - [17] Edited by: Ilya Murametz on 30/04/2004 03:51:11 As a CEO of my corp I would just like to say big thank you to all the people who helped us through this, i'm in disbelieve as too how many good and honest people are there in still left in eve. For those corps who choose to remain unknown for their contributions.....my deepest thanks to you, you know who you are. I'm in forever debt to you and I will never forget this!!! Our deepest appreciations, pretty much in one evening the good people of eve have gotten us back on our feet. Thanks to my friend in Phoenix Alliance and all the people in Eve again. For the sake of the future I hope CCP will do something about this to prevent this missfortune for the rest of the players. A year of hard work of many people shouldn't not be destroyed by one individual buying an eve account illegaly and destroying all their dreams and hopes in the game in less than 2 hours. Ilya Murametz CPDS/CEO
PaulAtreides	Posted - 2004.04.30 03:49:00 - [18] Yeah. Corp thieves suck! I am still not convinced as to why it is an actuall game mechanic. A little silly for a game mechanic to make people quit. When Playboy went through the same thing we lost about 30 member who just quit the game completely. Ecconomically speaking it is a rather idiotic game feature. But thats just my opintion, and who would listen to little ol' me? also...you probably want to change the plasswords on your cans as you just told the whole eve-community exactly what it is. Want to work for me?
Negotiator	Posted - 2004.04.30 03:53:00 - [19] people who steal and dissapear are cowards :\ the alt thiefs and all...i'm sure people are having a hard time trusting most new players in recruitment channel...if you steal something, have the balls to stay and take the hatred and all that comes with the money.(Ex: Falzone, Omniwar, and i hate to say it, but even Miz :\)
Mitchello	Posted - 2004.04.30 04:35:00 - [20] Originally by: Negotiator people who steal and dissapear are cowards :\ the alt thiefs and all...i'm sure people are having a hard time trusting most new players in recruitment channel...if you steal something, have the balls to stay and take the hatred and all that comes with the money.(Ex: Falzone, Omniwar, and i hate to say it, but even Miz :\) Falzone? poink do tell!?
Mitchello	Posted - 2004.04.30 04:37:00 - [21] yeah we have had chage in accounts...never a good thing and we even had some dope let his "friend" play or something...t is jus a bad situtation, but then as longa s you keep your stuff save you can minimize loss :)
Ilya Murametz	Posted - 2004.04.30 07:51:00 - [22] FYI CCP. This individual is not quitting, he is not "giving" all our items to his friend, he has sold it all on Trade chan, and escrow missions. Combined effort of our friends(ones he doesn't know about) have helped us and bought what they could of our stuff back, they have screen shots and chat logs of these occurences. He is not doing this for any friend but simply selling as fast as he can to get isk to sell on Ebay before he cancells or sells the accout!!! P.S. Dont turn your blind side once again on this case please!
Alexander Rahl	Posted - 2004.04.30 08:17:00 - [23] Hey Ilya Murametz. Sorry to hear of your corps losses. Convo me ingame. I might be able to help you out with some stuff. Im on after 1400 eve today. ----/ / /-----<[]>-----\ \ \---- Head of House Rahl Warleader of the Rahl Clans "Death and Glory, Honour with Courage, Fury and Vengeance" - Chronicles of Rahl.
brainiac 13	Posted - 2004.04.30 08:28:00 - [24] Well just a point I would make is he aquired the account from another player in a trade so unless CCP was sent a account transfer for the character you might get the stuff back soon as the account transfer would have been againest the euLa without CCP been informed in which case the account is not his.
Agorn	Posted - 2004.04.30 09:05:00 - [25] A friend of mine mentioned that my name appears in this forum. Let me start by saying that I have nothing to do with this theft. I dont even know this Ender Wiggens or you guyz that was so unfortunate to know that fool. I can't think of anyone that has reason to be angry with me in eve. He probably picked my name from the trade channel - my name is always visible in the top of the char list. His story has several flaws as you already has pointed out. E.g why would he go through all this trouble to help his friend and then afterwards tell his name. Does not seem very helpful to me. IMO there is a good chance that he is not quiting the game - he just wants you to go hunt somebody else.
Bsport	Posted - 2004.04.30 09:38:00 - [26] this is getting more and more common. they have to sort deal with this in some.. how would this be dealt with in reaal life i'll give u some stuff towards the rebuilding (cant afford much) -------- \|~~~\| I run out of money, so bunny has been \| OIL \| grounded down to make grease for my \|____\| rifter- poor bunny
csebal	Posted - 2004.04.30 10:41:00 - [27] I think that corp theft should indeed be made illegal and against EULA, at least the big ones as this sounds to be. Why? Because there is no way to defend against it. Even the most trusted friend can lend his account to a friend for a week (say he is on vacation), or he may just sell it on ebay / in-game without telling his corp that they should remove all rights. As long as there are no in-game mechanisms to control the movement of high-value items - such as authorization by at least two directors before taking anything above a certain value, or before taking more than 5 items out within the same hour - there should be at least some out of game mechanisms to punish / prevent acts like this, or at least give the guys back what the thief stole. I agree, that theft should be viable from the RP perspective, but the game is lacking the features to effectively prevent it. If you restrict the members too much, that lowers productivity / renders the corp hangars useless, if you give them too much access, they'll simply steal you. Bottomline: The hangar features of the game are lacking some critical features to restrict access in a way that only limits those who try to steal from it. As long as these features are not in the game, ccp should simply make thievery bannable. ------------- This post is nothing more than my personal opinion. It does not represent the official standpoint of Fountain Alliance, or the HUN Corporation in any way. -------------
Bohr	Posted - 2004.04.30 10:54:00 - [28] Is'nt there some rule about not being able to quit a corp without the consensus of a director? If so you have the possibility to see wether he leaves the game or not. As in the condolesence letter you get when a corp member ends his/hers char. Plus you'll be able to see him log on and off. Hope it helps :) Yours Bohr
Nafri	Posted - 2004.04.30 11:00:00 - [29] Originally by: Bohr Is'nt there some rule about not being able to quit a corp without the consensus of a director? If so you have the possibility to see wether he leaves the game or not. As in the condolesence letter you get when a corp member ends his/hers char. Plus you'll be able to see him log on and off. Hope it helps :) Yours Bohr he can just open a new corp well selling things on ebay is against the eula Wanna fly with me?
DaniB	Posted - 2004.04.30 11:19:00 - [30] CCP / GM or whatever official should INSTANTLY freeze the "Ender" player until this thing is solved... Is there no goddamn law system on corp thieves in the game?! - Concord blows your butt for hittin' accidently with a Micro/small Smartbomb or whatever but "Concord" (GM should judge in such cirumstances... or a jury of GM) gives a shyt on such wallet/asset raipers!! NO WAY (and btw, i dont know any other MMO(R)PG where is the currency is that hard like it is in eve! ISK is sweat, to much work to loose it on such a mess)
Earthan	Posted - 2004.04.30 11:38:00 - [31] The sad thing is you would think the employement history and asking old ceo's would make it safier in a way.A guy doesnt change overnight. But as we can read the Ender Wiggin account was bought by another person, so asking old CEO doesnt help in no way... bad Stars, stars like dust, all around me....
Earthan	Posted - 2004.04.30 11:39:00 - [32] Ah and what a disgrace for the character from the book:), I love "Ender's game":) Stars, stars like dust, all around me....
Nimrodel	Posted - 2004.04.30 12:07:00 - [33] Perhaps CCP should allow corporations to take out Insurance on Corp hangers :P --------------------------------------------- Nimrodel Dark Force User Joint Espionage & Defence Industries --------------------------------------------- Your Medium YF-12a Smartbomb hits Rusty Cloud, doing 0.0 damage.
seoul	Posted - 2004.04.30 12:24:00 - [34] The solution seems quite simple, why not password protect corp hangars like the secure containers. The ceo would have the facility to update the "corp" password every week or so which would automatically update all Corp cans and hangars. Players would then have to contact the ceo on a regular basis to get the passwords.
Bsport	Posted - 2004.04.30 12:58:00 - [35] but that doesnt deal with the CEO running off with the stuff issue -------- \|~~~\| I run out of money, so bunny has been \| OIL \| grounded down to make grease for my \|____\| rifter- poor bunny
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2004.04.30 13:01:00 - [36] Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 30/04/2004 13:15:56 aaaaaa my eyes ok, i see the quirk here. different dude at the keyboard Petition it. edit: i mean the part about the account being "sold" quietly to facilitate this theft "for a friend," and the possibility of his selling the assets for real-life cash. CCP can track da money ingame, frex, and see who your stolen goods go to. If they go to someone with the same email address as an ebay buyer, there's gonna be trouble... Everyone involved in a transaction with this git (RL transaction, not Trade channel ingame...) could find their asses quite banned. Be patient. It will take time for them to trace and make a ruling. Beyond the RL link, however, there is NOTHING ILLEGAL ABOUT CORP THEFT. Yes, CONCORD will drop your sec and obliterate you if your useless Defenders do 1 point of damage to anything, but embezzlement is quite legal to them. So... In the meantime, and i guess this would have been useful right when you noticed, and depends on your level of rawr, since there's nothing "illegal" about embezzlement beyond what you can enforce, you might've wanted to head to wherever he was selling, and drop a line in Trade noting that all his goods were stolen property, and you would consider anyone buying from him receivers of same... and if anyone bought whom you couldn't take on directly, that's what mercs and altgankers are for. After all, it's all legal game mechanics, right? Originally by: Bsport how would this be dealt with in reaal life i recommend the Yakuza method, above. The thief might vanish, but the receivers die. You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike.
Omniwar	Posted - 2004.04.30 13:44:00 - [37] If he sells the account or moves items to another account that is not his then it has been established that he took it to make a profit in real life, that is a vialation of the EULA, he will be banned from the game and the items will be returned. Same as with F-E theft, have the GM¦s look in to if his account/s change ownership or if the items change ownership, if that is done then you get the stuff back. *Spawn of the Devil*
KIAHicks	Posted - 2004.04.30 13:49:00 - [38] Originally by: Negotiator people who steal and dissapear are cowards :\ the alt thiefs and all...i'm sure people are having a hard time trusting most new players in recruitment channel...if you steal something, have the balls to stay and take the hatred and all that comes with the money.(Ex: Falzone, Omniwar, and i hate to say it, but even Miz :\) Couldn't agree more. Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
Lachenlaud	Posted - 2004.04.30 14:04:00 - [39] Originally by: Bad Harlequin Beyond the RL link, however, there is NOTHING ILLEGAL ABOUT CORP THEFT. Yes, CONCORD will drop your sec and obliterate you if your useless Defenders do 1 point of damage to anything, but embezzlement is quite legal to them. So... Wonder if their opinion would change if, having hired a new employee or two they came to work one day to find the servers missing and the offices cleared out. [email protected] http://www.goi-eve.com/forums/ Check out the Eve Master Datasheet here!!
Bella Verde	Posted - 2004.04.30 14:57:00 - [40] Well, that sucks.
Ulendar	Posted - 2004.04.30 15:02:00 - [41] Sry to hear you guys lost all your stuff Kalast... But you have to be smarter then this... Even if you have known a person for a long time you can never ever drop your guard!! Never give them acces to anything you would lement losing, never give them money you cant afford to not get payed back ect... If a person is not only for some time you need to boot them from your corp or atleast strip them of their corp rights! Even if the person is someone you have been playing EVE with since the start, there is always the chance of them selling their account and then something like this happens... ALWAYS be on your toes, never drop your guard and always take precautions and you will enjoy this game a whole lot more.... Originally by: cashman It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this. It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
DeFood	Posted - 2004.04.30 15:16:00 - [42] And with all that paranoia you get to play the game when?
Ulendar	Posted - 2004.04.30 15:39:00 - [43] Originally by: DeFood And with all that paranoia you get to play the game when? You do it like you do everything else in your life that people at first glance seem to think is a big hassle or a problem.. Everyone (most) work an average of 8h a day for a company to make money and then another 3-4h a day on various things like household, gardens, kids whatever... They still have time to play games and mine for houre sin this game...how is it possible? Well, because it becomes a routine and an automisation... Pretty simple stuff ;) Originally by: cashman It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this. It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
Ishkur	Posted - 2004.04.30 15:43:00 - [44] Originally by: DeFood And with all that paranoia you get to play the game when? EXACTLY. Our Corp uses very high security, and it sucks. I'm tired of being paranoid. I'm tired of people feeling like I don't trust them. I'm tired of not being able to trust people. And CCP would change their tune on this if it happened to them. Nice point raised there. It sucks, something needs to be done. We need better security proceedures to help prevent this. We need to be able to "lock down" things that need it. We need to be able to have some sense that things in the Corp will remain with the corp, no matter what. It maybe used to be legitimate gameplay, but things change.
Ender Wiggens	Posted - 2004.04.30 16:14:00 - [45] Edited by: Ender Wiggens on 30/04/2004 16:17:27 Im the original owner of the account, i didnt buy it or anything and all the billing info and such shows that and i have no intention of selling the stuff on ebay, i like being rich in eve. So stop wasting your time.
Ulendar	Posted - 2004.04.30 16:19:00 - [46] Originally by: Ender Wiggens Edited by: Ender Wiggens on 30/04/2004 16:17:27 Im the original owner of the account, i didnt buy it or anything and all the billing info and such shows that and i have no intention of selling the stuff on ebay, i like being rich in eve. So stop wasting your time. Why the bloody charade??? First you bought the account then you didnt, then you were quitting, then you werent, then you were sending the stuff to a friend, now your keeping it... Why the charade? If your just a bloody corpthief then just say so like you did now. Why would you make up stories to your corpm8's? O_o Originally by: cashman It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this. It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
Ender Wiggens	Posted - 2004.04.30 16:21:00 - [47] It was entertaining and i was bored
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.04.30 17:22:00 - [48] Originally by: Ishkur Our Corp uses very high security, and it sucks. I'm tired of being paranoid. I'm tired of people feeling like I don't trust them. I'm tired of not being able to trust people. And CCP would change their tune on this if it happened to them. Nice point raised there. It sucks, something needs to be done. We need better security proceedures to help prevent this. We need to be able to "lock down" things that need it. We need to be able to have some sense that things in the Corp will remain with the corp, no matter what. It maybe used to be legitimate gameplay, but things change. Agreed. This is something our corp faces. We are left with people feeling we don't 'trust' them as well and it ****es them off. Personally I do not see why CCP condones corp theft in the game. On paper it looks like a neat addition to the game universe. In practice it just plain sucks. As mentioned numerous times the mechanics simply do not exist for players to police their corps more effectively or to dispense 'justice' to corp thieves...particularly when ALTs are involved (which does not seem to be the case here). What CCP gets is a more ruined game experience for everyone. Because mechanics don't exist to help us players are left with the choice of being uber-paranoid or an easy target. Worse, when a corp gets very large, managing security as it is becomes an almost full-time job. Took our CEO several hours to go through and do a security audit on all the members (checking that appropriate rights were in place fro each person). Part of the game I know but at some point it gets silly.
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2004.04.30 17:58:00 - [49] Originally by: Ender Wiggens Edited by: Ender Wiggens on 30/04/2004 16:17:27 Im the original owner of the account, i didnt buy it or anything and all the billing info and such shows that and i have no intention of selling the stuff on ebay, i like being rich in eve. So stop wasting your time. oh - the lying scumbag gives us his word. call off the investigation then but if this is true, you being KOS to everyone will actually cut into your stolen assets? cool You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike.
Kalast Raven	Posted - 2004.04.30 18:42:00 - [50] I hope you're telling the truth (this time), Ender. I'd like nothing more than to kill that Scorpion we made for you. ------- K. Raven
Phoenixgurl	Posted - 2004.04.30 20:03:00 - [51] he sure is lying. He probably really bought the account, got all the stuff, and by the time you guys are wasting time in forums he's selling all on ebay for a crazy amount. Ebay ruin games.
MrBinary	Posted - 2004.04.30 20:05:00 - [52] Originally by: Ender Wiggens Edited by: Ender Wiggens on 30/04/2004 16:17:27 Im the original owner of the account, i didnt buy it or anything and all the billing info and such shows that and i have no intention of selling the stuff on ebay, i like being rich in eve. So stop wasting your time. FAK! are you ever a fak'n a$$h0le! Sincerely, MrBinary "[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary"
Edgewood Dirk	Posted - 2004.04.30 20:38:00 - [53] Perhaps one way that CCP could limit corp thievery would be to allow CEOs to set an isk value limit to each hangar or access level. That is, set it so that characters of lower security level would be able to take, say, no more than a million isk work of stuff from a hangar and no more until they put something back. It is not a perfect solution I admit. It still doesn't solve the problem of someone with a high access level stealing your corp blind. Edge-
Skandranon	Posted - 2004.04.30 22:15:00 - [54] Edited by: Skandranon on 30/04/2004 22:24:42 I would just like to mention, that if the facts are enders account was sold to another person, and the corp was not notified nor was ccp notified, and if it indeed is in the EULA that this must occur, then there may be some real life legal precedents. There was a legal case I believe having to deal with a person who played Lineage. His account was hacked into/ ie logged into by another person and his uber items sent to another character and sold. The paralel here is that Ender was being used by a person other than the original account holder. He successfully sued the people that ran lineage into returning the stolen items and paying the legal fees. This lawsuit was really the result of the Lineage admins not willing to take care of their client and refusing to return the items. The person who brought about the suit was able to successfully argue in court that the 'items' in the game which he spent hundreds of hours obtaining, were to be considered 'property' and the fact they were taken from him constituted 'theft'. DISCLAIMER I am not a lawyer and cannot give you legal advice. The only thing I can do is tell you that if CCP is unwilling to take care of this matter in a way you and your corp members feel is fair, then it might be worth your while to band together, pitch in some RL dollars and see if a lawyer thinks it's worth his time to pursue a case against CCP. Personally, I think that CCP should take care of the matter without ever having to resort to RL court battles. That would be very bad press for CCP. Also, don't ever threaten to get a lawyer and sue. If you talk it over with your corp members and you all feel it's worth pursuing, just do it. CCP will realize it has a serious issue when they get the court papers. You can share money for this pretty easily with paypal accounts too fyi. However you decide to handle the issue, just thought I'd share this option, and give you something additional to look into. Again: hHis is based on 'IFs! Only CCP can tell you 'if' this is true. If the original account holder did this to you, then yer basically up **** creek and with no paddle.
ElCoCo	Posted - 2004.04.30 22:18:00 - [55] Originally by: Ender Wiggens Edited by: Ender Wiggens on 30/04/2004 16:17:27 Im the original owner of the account, i didnt buy it or anything and all the billing info and such shows that and i have no intention of selling the stuff on ebay, i like being rich in eve. So stop wasting your time. You suck cheese
Sochin	Posted - 2004.04.30 23:29:00 - [56] I'm way to ADD to read all that. Nemo me impune lacessit
Kalast Raven	Posted - 2004.05.01 00:14:00 - [57] You guys are gonna love this - check the title we gave Ender. :) ------- K. Raven
KIAPieman	Posted - 2004.05.01 00:57:00 - [58] Edited by: KIAPieman on 01/05/2004 00:59:15 Ender, if i ever see you in 0.0 or low sec empire, your gunna get your ship blown up. then pod you, then track you with an agent and do it again. you have griefed and entire corp so i feel entirly justified to grief you. hunting season just opened methinks --------------------------------------------------------
DREAMWORKS	Posted - 2004.05.01 01:02:00 - [59] Ok, little suggestion: Make your corp assets available to less people, people who you can trust. Second suggestion: Ask for screenshots when a person joins, character selection, wallet with people trading loaded etc etc. And check if the ammount of skillpoints is worth keeping the character i.e. the person will delete his character with ease if he never trained a damn skill, however a 2mil + skillpoint character will not be deleted. I understand that not every applicant will like such way of recruitment, i had loads of trouble with it when i was still CEO. But it does however leave your own members with full instead of empty hands, doesn't throw away x number of days/weeks mining/npc hunting and saves me the bother of reading and posting another post regarding this topic item. Personally i wish corp theft would be an abuse of the system since that is what it actually is: You are abusing a system that cannot be fixed, you cannot prevent ppl from creating new characters/transfering items between characters thus you can abuse this system. But CCP seems to not give a simple ** about their customers, else there would be a ban/fix/skill to track an account for this **. IRL as in Ingame i have no respect for thieves, but then again IRL we got a dog/cop ( ) to bite someone's balls off and ingame we do not. __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
Solant	Posted - 2004.05.01 01:19:00 - [60] Originally by: Bad Harlequin CCP can track da money ingame, frex, and see who your stolen goods go to. If they go to someone with the same email address as an ebay buyer, there's gonna be trouble... Everyone involved in a transaction with this git (RL transaction, not Trade channel ingame...) could find their asses quite banned. Be patient. It will take time for them to trace and make a ruling. From my experience in MMO games and gaming companies in general, there is probably no way CCP could/would ever investigate or ban people because of their emails, let alone go hunting on ebay to see if they match up. That would be crossing the lines between gaming and legal issues and I have yet to see any gaming company that will even think of doing it. Sorry to hear about the theft though, hopefully something can be done about the issue.
Celticjim	Posted - 2004.05.01 01:23:00 - [61] What an ass....name added to growing list CJ
Kalast Raven	Posted - 2004.05.01 01:37:00 - [62] Your violation of our trust cannot and will never be forgiven Ender. I believe in nothing you have said, and no amount of your corpses shall suffice. ------- K. Raven
Nuclear Baggins	Posted - 2004.05.01 01:57:00 - [63] Originally by: Ender Wiggens Edited by: Ender Wiggens on 30/04/2004 16:17:27 Im the original owner of the account, i didnt buy it or anything and all the billing info and such shows that and i have no intention of selling the stuff on ebay, i like being rich in eve. So stop wasting your time. Cough to borrow someone elses well know phrase End Yourself
kbuk	Posted - 2004.05.01 02:03:00 - [64] Originally by: Solant From my experience in MMO games and gaming companies in general, there is probably no way CCP could/would ever investigate or ban people because of their emails, let alone go hunting on ebay to see if they match up. That would be crossing the lines between gaming and legal issues and I have yet to see any gaming company that will even think of doing it. Sorry to hear about the theft though, hopefully something can be done about the issue. Well that depends on alot of factors. it's very simply to search a database for a matching email address / credit card details. It's just as easy to track if an account has been updated. I doubt that they will go looking for external indicators (eg ebay etc). BUT there is still other legalities that can be followed.
Betamax II	Posted - 2004.05.01 03:06:00 - [65] I very much doubt anything will be done about this by CCP. They will probably give the the usual tripe about "Part of the game. Dont question it. Keep paying subs". A pity that this is possible really.
Bobby Wilson	Posted - 2004.05.01 04:47:00 - [66] They can and should at least investigate the issue of whether this is the original subscriber or not. If not the activity would be illegitimate, earn the chap a ban and Copiae Dius their stuff back. Meanwhile, PA, and Oi in particular will support our friends in CPDS in this difficult time. BW Originally by: Selim Cool, congrats. Oh, stupid idea by the way.
Windghost	Posted - 2004.05.01 05:06:00 - [67] /emote adds name to KOS list.
swisher	Posted - 2004.05.01 05:27:00 - [68] Sad...when corps are cleaned out... but it happens.. -swish
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2004.05.01 07:47:00 - [69] Originally by: Solant Originally by: Bad Harlequin CCP can track da money ingame, frex, and see who your stolen goods go to. If they go to someone with the same email address as an ebay buyer, there's gonna be trouble... Everyone involved in a transaction with this git (RL transaction, not Trade channel ingame...) could find their asses quite banned. Be patient. It will take time for them to trace and make a ruling. From my experience in MMO games and gaming companies in general, there is probably no way CCP could/would ever investigate or ban people because of their emails, let alone go hunting on ebay to see if they match up. That would be crossing the lines between gaming and legal issues and I have yet to see any gaming company that will even think of doing it. then the EULA isn't worth the pixels you read it with. Rules with "but we don't feel like enforcing them" are not terribly useful rules... You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike.
Latinum Smith	Posted - 2004.05.01 09:30:00 - [70] It would be helpful if corporations had more than 7 hangers. Why not 7 standard and then pay for more. That way you could have many layers of access and reduce the damage. It still wouldn't stop CEO, or director, but you could also make dual access hangers. Banks do this in 'Real Life' so wht not CCP in eve.
Dr Jekill	Posted - 2004.05.01 09:44:00 - [71] Gods Corp Has you in there KOS no question asked not even a second waisted you are not safe even in EMPIRE i will take a security hit just to clean you out. enjoy the days left SCAMBAG Vera Lynn --------------------------------------------- Born in London in 1917 became one of the most famous voices of World War II Vera's most popular song was "We'll Meet Again"

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