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Exuscon
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.14 05:07:00 -
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You just like to ignore it as most carebears would. When you get use to easymode for long enough you result to denial when a legitimate issue is brought up.
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Adhamhnon
Grenadiers
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Posted - 2008.05.14 05:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Exuscon
You just like to ignore it as most carebears would. When you get use to easymode for long enough you result to denial when a legitimate issue is brought up.
lol, before you're slinging around "carebear", you may want to at least glance at Battleclinic or something... Mr. 1 kill to my 713. I'm just sick of seeing the same old crappy whining posts on here.
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Frug
Repo Industries
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.05.14 05:53:00 -
[33]
Edited by: Frug on 14/05/2008 05:53:31
Originally by: Exuscon
Originally by: Frug
While i'm all for doing away with local, it sounds like you're just suggesting removing it without replacing it with some way for people to defend against being jumped, which is a pretty stupid suggestion.
Being jumped?
Thats part of PVP right? You damn carebears make me sick.
You're an idiot. I don't mine, but I'm not stupid enough to suggest something that destroys the game for people who play differently than you do.
If you want a brainless game of running in and attacking, wow is that way -->
Your bland vision of eve is not something I share.
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Xtreem
Gallente
Knockaround Guys Inc.
Exxxotic
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Posted - 2008.05.14 06:05:00 -
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i like local, leave it alone.
u wont get more targets with removing it, just less people going into 0.0 and EVEN less in low sec
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Futtbucker
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Posted - 2008.05.14 06:06:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Frug
Edited by: Frug on 14/05/2008 05:53:31
Originally by: Exuscon
Originally by: Frug
While i'm all for doing away with local, it sounds like you're just suggesting removing it without replacing it with some way for people to defend against being jumped, which is a pretty stupid suggestion.
Being jumped?
Thats part of PVP right? You damn carebears make me sick.
You're an idiot. I don't mine, but I'm not stupid enough to suggest something that destroys the game for people who play differently than you do.
If you want a brainless game of running in and attacking, wow is that way -->
Your bland vision of eve is not something I share.
Exus has a point.. What would be brainless about actualy having to be prepaired to fight an unexpected fight?
It is carebearish and easymode like he says when all you do is have to watch local to know if danger might be headed your way.
If you are in mining rig ,indy or just out of your sp security why should it be as easy as monitoring local and avoiding all risk?
He may have trouble finding people to kill but, by his age of char and his local issues, I would bet he works alot damn harder than any of you in PVP 1 kill only or not.
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Adhamhnon
Grenadiers
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Posted - 2008.05.14 06:30:00 -
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Edited by: Adhamhnon on 14/05/2008 06:32:28
Originally by: Futtbucker
Exus has a point.. What would be brainless about actualy having to be prepaired to fight an unexpected fight?
It is carebearish and easymode like he says when all you do is have to watch local to know if danger might be headed your way.
If you are in mining rig ,indy or just out of your sp security why should it be as easy as monitoring local and avoiding all risk?
He may have trouble finding people to kill but, by his age of char and his local issues, I would bet he works alot damn harder than any of you in PVP 1 kill only or not.
And why should it be easymode to gank some guy ratting or a corp mining op because they don't have any warning? This logic always eluded me... easymode for them is bad, easy mode for us is ok. It's the exact same thing, only turned around. The only people removing local benefits are those that are looking for cheap easy "gank" type kills. I'd propose that the gank style of play is not more valid than the carebear style of play.
And your last point makes no sense at all... his char is over 3 years old, has 1 kill and is calling other people "carebear". I worked to get most of my kills, and a great majority of them weren't cheap ganks on ratters or miners, but real pvp versus other fleets and other people that are actually willing to fight.
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Futtbucker
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Posted - 2008.05.14 06:32:00 -
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Edited by: Futtbucker on 14/05/2008 06:35:24
Edited by: Futtbucker on 14/05/2008 06:33:37
Originally by: Adhamhnon
Originally by: Futtbucker
Exus has a point.. What would be brainless about actualy having to be prepaired to fight an unexpected fight?
It is carebearish and easymode like he says when all you do is have to watch local to know if danger might be headed your way.
If you are in mining rig ,indy or just out of your sp security why should it be as easy as monitoring local and avoiding all risk?
He may have trouble finding people to kill but, by his age of char and his local issues, I would bet he works alot damn harder than any of you in PVP 1 kill only or not.
And why should it be easymode to gank some guy ratting or a corp mining op because they don't have any warning? This logic always eluded me... easymode for them is bad, easy mode for us is ok. It's the exact same thing, only turned around. The only people removing local benefits are those that are looking for cheap easy "gank" type kills. I'd propose that the gank style of play is no more valid than the carebear style of play.
And your last point makes no sense at all... his char is over 3 years old, has 1 kill and is calling other people "carebear". I worked to get most of my kills, and a great majority of them weren't cheap ganks on ratters or miners, but real pvp versus other fleets and other people that are actually willing to fight.
Whats not to expect from a blob?
Getting kills in 0.0 is about as easy as it gets. You do not really have to go looking for it either.
I wonder what kind of easymode we could discuss about 0.0? Whats FOTM/Y?
You guys love to spin the issue - topic at hand , but whats with other people liking solo and smaller scale battles? That are easier found in low sec and cost a hella lot less in cred?
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Adhamhnon
Grenadiers
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Posted - 2008.05.14 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Futtbucker
Edited by: Futtbucker on 14/05/2008 06:33:37
Originally by: Adhamhnon
And why should it be easymode to gank some guy ratting or a corp mining op because they don't have any warning? This logic always eluded me... easymode for them is bad, easy mode for us is ok. It's the exact same thing, only turned around. The only people removing local benefits are those that are looking for cheap easy "gank" type kills. I'd propose that the gank style of play is no more valid than the carebear style of play.
And your last point makes no sense at all... his char is over 3 years old, has 1 kill and is calling other people "carebear". I worked to get most of my kills, and a great majority of them weren't cheap ganks on ratters or miners, but real pvp versus other fleets and other people that are actually willing to fight.
Whats not to expect from a blob?
Getting kills in 0.0 is about as easy as it gets. You do not really have to go looking for it either.
I wonder what kind of easymode we could discuss about 0.0? Whats FOTM/Y?
A lot of the time you do have to go looking for fights in 0.0. And a lot of my kills aren't "blobs" they're small gang action, some 1 v 1, and some small fleet on small fleet, like 10 vs 10, 20 vs 20 type stuff.
I also have no idea what FOTM/Y means, so can't answer that.
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Frug
Repo Industries
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.05.14 06:40:00 -
[39]
Edited by: Frug on 14/05/2008 06:43:30
Originally by: Futtbucker
Exus has a point.. What would be brainless about actualy having to be prepaired to fight an unexpected fight?
It is carebearish and easymode like he says when all you do is have to watch local to know if danger might be headed your way.
If you are in mining rig ,indy or just out of your sp security why should it be as easy as monitoring local and avoiding all risk?
He may have trouble finding people to kill but, by his age of char and his local issues, I would bet he works alot damn harder than any of you in PVP 1 kill only or not.
BUCK FUTTER
No really, it's pretty noobish to think like just pulling out the only means of scouting beyond 2 AU from the game like that's going to make things better. There's a lot of people use local, and not all of us are carebears. I do NOT look forward to hunting war targets without being able to see who is where, for example. A LOT of pirates hate the idea too, because it means they have to scan every damn belt in every damn system instead of being able to ignore empty systems.
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Futtbucker
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Posted - 2008.05.14 06:42:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Frug
Originally by: Futtbucker
Exus has a point.. What would be brainless about actualy having to be prepaired to fight an unexpected fight?
It is carebearish and easymode like he says when all you do is have to watch local to know if danger might be headed your way.
If you are in mining rig ,indy or just out of your sp security why should it be as easy as monitoring local and avoiding all risk?
He may have trouble finding people to kill but, by his age of char and his local issues, I would bet he works alot damn harder than any of you in PVP 1 kill only or not.
BUCK FUTTER
No really, it's pretty stupid to think like just pulling out the only means of scouting beyond 2 AU from the game like that's going to make things better. There's a lot of people use local, and not all of us are carebears. I do NOT look forward to hunting war targets without being able to see who is where, for example. A LOT of pirates hate the idea too, because it means they have to scan every damn belt in every damn system instead of being able to ignore empty systems.
Exactly my point in the OP's defense. Most of you are lazy noobs 
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Frug
Repo Industries
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.05.14 06:45:00 -
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Yeah ok. Or I just really think that spamming a scan button on a directional scanner over and over is a pretty lame thing to have to do for any game, and don't want to force that upon miners, ratters and even other pvpers just so you can kill every single unsuspecting target you land on, rather than have to actually probe or chase them.
Which btw is pretty lazy on your part.
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Frug
Repo Industries
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.05.14 06:48:00 -
[42]
Futter. Buck Futter, I don't get it.
OOH I THINK YA DO TREBEK.
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Futtbucker
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Posted - 2008.05.14 06:50:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Frug
Futter. Buck Futter, I don't get it.
OOH I THINK YA DO TREBEK.
you are a tool! 
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Frug
Repo Industries
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.05.14 06:50:00 -
[44]
hahah
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Achran Dexx
Caldari
CompleXion Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.14 07:02:00 -
[45]
PVP with the person who is engaged not being able to fend him or herself off in any way! Kudos to your idea!
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Futtbucker
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Posted - 2008.05.14 07:09:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Achran Dexx
PVP with the person who is engaged not being able to fend him or herself off in any way! Kudos to your idea!
Why don't we just move Concord into low sec space if there is to be no risk?
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TempSniper
UnderDog Industries
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.05.14 07:24:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Futtbucker
Originally by: Achran Dexx
PVP with the person who is engaged not being able to fend him or herself off in any way! Kudos to your idea!
Why don't we just move Concord into low sec space if there is to be no risk?
Why not stop posting with alts cause you want local gone? If you had any kills on say battleclinic I might stop and listen to the flith coming outta your mouth but your not even on battleclinic so stop crying like a 12 year old child.
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Frug
Repo Industries
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.05.14 07:25:00 -
[48]
Not being on battleclinic makes you 12
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Dead6re
Amarr
The Kobayashi Maru
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.14 07:36:00 -
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Okay, Yes you could remove local from all players but how would people be able to check who is in system? Those that PVP would lose all ability to see who is in a system. Great, lets add some scan tools and make everyone overload the server with requests. Every miner/ratter in 0.0 & low-sec would be pressing the button every 5-10 seconds. Local provides a way to reduce this load.
If you can propose some solution to this, that enables miners/ratters a fair chance to be able to defend themselves against any incoming threat but is cost-effective in terms of processing power and transfer. That maybe we can start looking and start an actual debate that is worthwhile.
Currently your posts are rubbish and provide no way to help CCP or provide ideas. You cannot change one thing without giving something else in its place.
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2008.05.14 07:39:00 -
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local chat is...
...LOCAL!!!
U GOT IT CPT OBVIOUS!!!!
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NeoNeTiC
Mortis Angelus
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.05.14 10:16:00 -
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A few things come to mind:
It'd be possible to make local similar to cosmic anomalies. Means you have to scan 30 secs before you get a quote.
Also means you have to spam the button all the time or gatecamp 23/7 to get a fight/kill 
Another solution is to reduce local to a few AU around your ship - gives you enough time to align/warp in case someone tries to go after you. People docked / safespotted far off can't relay intel about people in system.
Forces you to warp from planet to planet to find a target though, in case there is one.
I'd personally like to see smaller systems and an improved onboard scanner since there's nothing more tedious to warp 90AU just to find out that NPCer in local cloaks once you appear on scan. :O
If you just remove local without a substitute you further encourage gatecamping and force people to go to empire to run missions to grind the ISK for PvP. ;_;
But that's all nothing new and I doubt we'll see a change :<
Enjoy pushing show-info,
NeoNeTiC
[MORTS]-Scout
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Euriti
Gallente
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.05.14 10:19:00 -
[52]
Make local like noob corp chat. You only show up when you talk.
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Niko medes
Gallente
T.E.C. Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.14 11:07:00 -
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that'd be a good idea, but i still think pvp would be super fun if you took out local chat.
you wouldnt know what to expect, which is why it'd be alot more fun.
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Johnny Gurkha
Maleficus Cruentus Interfeci
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Posted - 2008.05.14 11:19:00 -
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There was a patch sometime last year which removed local accidentally and it was the best day or two ingame I've had since I played...
Remove local listings and just have people ID'd if they type in local so people can at least spam their inane babble if they wish
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.05.14 11:33:00 -
[55]
perhaps a 10 minute delay to local.
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Matrixcvd
Caldari
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.05.14 12:15:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Callthetruth
perhaps a 10 minute delay to local.
sure, good compromise but it needs to go in its current state... its BS to know who comes into system, a jump counting device anchored or something you NEED to do to gather intelligence, instead of fryin BACON and your fail, make people pay attention to what they are doin
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Siddy
Minmatar
Art of War
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.14 12:18:00 -
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I strongly object this!
Dont touh my 100% free, 100% accurate inttel tool!
Go greif people in Counnterstrike you Countterstrike Kiddie!!!113123412
Leave us players to deside for ourself wither we want or not fight you. Personaly i prefer sitting in station! And smack from there, and thats legimate tactic!
So big NO!
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GB Man
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Posted - 2008.05.14 13:00:00 -
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...more than likely going to be revamped with the release of the next expansion.
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BiggestT
Caldari
Fun Inc
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.05.14 13:24:00 -
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I reckon it shld be there for smack, and the number in local there but not name.
1) this will make it harder for isk farmers as they will need to log/cloak everytime someone -most likely running the pipe most days- enters loacl
2) The scanner will need to be used more, requiring more brain work and a little skill.
3) It will be great if say two gangs encounter in a system, and use local to try guess others numbers, but they can never be entirely sure because it may be just some random *yay* drama  imagine three gangs -tactical funfunfun-
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Posted - 2008.05.14 13:32:00 -
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ok, get rid of local chat & ability to info chars from it.
but not the fact that you can see who is in system. It's the equivalent of a long range scanner that just says there is someone about, without giving their location. - unless, if you do get rid of it, then replace it with a *****ble module instead?
Make people who cloak dissappear from the view of who is in system.
thats how I would do it.
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