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GB Man
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Posted - 2008.05.14 13:42:00 -
[61]
 Originally by: Rheddin
ok, get rid of local chat & ability to info chars from it.
but not the fact that you can see who is in system. It's the equivalent of a long range scanner that just says there is someone about, without giving their location. - unless, if you do get rid of it, then replace it with a *****ble module instead?
Make people who cloak dissappear from the view of who is in system.
thats how I would do it.
The problem with being able to "see who is in system", is that this also includes their security status (Thanks to Bacon). Which can be more than enough of a warning about what's going to happen.
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Rheddin
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Posted - 2008.05.14 13:45:00 -
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ah, I would also fix the logserver and prevent tools like bacon working.
I think being able to see even just a count of people in system would work for me, the main change I would like other than that is for claokers not to be in the count/on the list.
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Orin Valari
Caldari
The Sycorax Syndicate
The Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.05.14 14:18:00 -
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If you get rid of local (or make it delayed or whatever), the scanner needs to be buffed a bit.
One easy buff would be to show ships that are currently un-manned in italics, and ships that are piloted in bold. That way systems that have a lot of ships parked at POSes don't clutter it up and make being aware of your surroundings a pain.
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Futtbucker
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Posted - 2008.05.14 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Orin Valari
If you get rid of local (or make it delayed or whatever), the scanner needs to be buffed a bit.
One easy buff would be to show ships that are currently un-manned in italics, and ships that are piloted in bold. That way systems that have a lot of ships parked at POSes don't clutter it up and make being aware of your surroundings a pain.
Anonymous ability works to!
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Isobe Mitsu
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Posted - 2008.05.14 16:03:00 -
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Basically "Local Chat" isn't just "Local Chat", if it were just chat there would be no real need for every name to be listed. In other chat channels your name doesn't appear on the list until you speak. If local chat was like this then it would be more of a "Local Chat" rather than a tool used to know who is in the system.
Local chat is basically a meta game intelligence tool and appears to be used far more as "Local Intelligence" rather than "Local Chat" which is a bit unfortunate really as it gives an advantage that would otherwise require quite a bit of effort.
On another note look at the recent (Or maybe just recently exposed) Bacon software which is a blatant exploit taking "Local Intelligence" meta gaming to a whole new level.
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Futtbucker
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Posted - 2008.05.14 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Isobe Mitsu
Basically "Local Chat" isn't just "Local Chat", if it were just chat there would be no real need for every name to be listed. In other chat channels your name doesn't appear on the list until you speak. If local chat was like this then it would be more of a "Local Chat" rather than a tool used to know who is in the system.
Local chat is basically a meta game intelligence tool and appears to be used far more as "Local Intelligence" rather than "Local Chat" which is a bit unfortunate really as it gives an advantage that would otherwise require quite a bit of effort.
On another note look at the recent (Or maybe just recently exposed) Bacon software which is a blatant exploit taking "Local Intelligence" meta gaming to a whole new level.
yes it is unfortunate...
The negatives outweight the good of it.
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Faife
Noctiscion
Twilight Trade Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.14 16:35:00 -
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Better idea: add a "kill" button to local. You right click the picture, click kill, and target dies.
Will remove that nasty safe gameplay problem right up.
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Mavolio
White Nova Industries
Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.05.14 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Exuscon
I do not want you to see when I come into a system. This the only MMO without it.
I can think of atleast 3 MMO's with this feature other than EvE, yet more proof that 90% of facts are made up on the spot.
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Isobe Mitsu
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Posted - 2008.05.14 16:51:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Mavolio
People rly dont think this though. Remove local and you will have to check every belt in every system you enter without even knowing if some 1 is even in that system. Which woudln't be too bad if there were like 2 belts per system but most are 10+ so bad idea in general.
Have you ever heard of something called a scanner? And there is this mysterious item called a recon probe launcher.
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Sylvia Lafayette
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Posted - 2008.05.14 17:02:00 -
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observatorer deep space probe. its like a 60 second wait in a cov ops ships and gives you a readout of people in local and a decent idea of their location. getting rid of local would open a huge market for reconnaissance info.
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Futtbucker
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Posted - 2008.05.14 17:02:00 -
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Edited by: Futtbucker on 14/05/2008 17:03:07
Originally by: Mavolio
Originally by: Exuscon
I do not want you to see when I come into a system. This the only MMO without it.
I can think of atleast 3 MMO's with this feature other than EvE, yet more proof that 90% of facts are made up on the spot.
 Name me 1 PVP centric MMO where you have do not have the option of going anonymous from the playerbase besides EVE ?
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Faife
Noctiscion
Twilight Trade Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.14 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Futtbucker
Name me 1 PVP centric MMO where you have do not have the option of going anonymous from the playerbase besides EVE ?
team fortress 2.
let me guess, now that you're proven wrong you're gonna start squabbling over what exactly is massive and what isn't. 
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Futtbucker
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Posted - 2008.05.14 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Faife
Originally by: Futtbucker
Name me 1 PVP centric MMO where you have do not have the option of going anonymous from the playerbase besides EVE ?
team fortress 2.
let me guess, now that you're proven wrong you're gonna start squabbling over what exactly is massive and what isn't.
TF2 is not a MMORPG
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Faife
Noctiscion
Twilight Trade Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.14 18:06:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Futtbucker
TF2 is not a MMORPG
called it
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Mavolio
White Nova Industries
Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.05.14 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Futtbucker
Name me 1 PVP centric MMO where you have do not have the option of going anonymous from the playerbase besides EVE ?
1) Armada online
2) In wow there are mods that let you track the health and who they are targetting from very far away
omg 2 and didn't even try.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.05.14 18:12:00 -
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the simple fact that it's possible to macro-rat in 0.0 with 100% impunity against all players should say all that needs to be said about local...
...but whatever 
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Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.05.14 18:21:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Futtbucker
Name me 1 PVP centric MMORPG where you have do not have the option of going anonymous from the playerbase besides EVE ?
Planetside (for arbitrary values of "RPG"  )
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Mavolio
White Nova Industries
Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.05.14 18:42:00 -
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Poeple just need to think of better ideas tbh, like making it so covert ops ships dont appear in local for 2 mins after they enter or some thing. Just saying REMOVE LOCAL!11oneoneeleven!! never was a good idea and no matter how many times people say it wont make it a better idea.
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Call'Da Poleece
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Posted - 2008.05.14 18:52:00 -
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Another nerf local thread, who would have thought it.
All the people who say nerf local just want easy ganks of ratters and miners and industrials ... for some people this is the epitomy of PVP, for others it is lower than a slugs ass.
The thing is if people say local is an intel tool, all CCP has to do is make a special probe (or maybe a new bomb type) that temporarily makes local go empty, BUT you have to be in local to fire it so you will show in local for a bit. So for roaming gangs and up to fleet size you can hide your numbers....
dont go on about bacon, its in progress of being nerfed/already been nerfed according to CCP, just a matter of when it gets implemented in Tranquility. Dont try to talk people into long term game changing solutions to a problem that is short term. (talking about bacon for the dumbasses)
For the dudes looking for the cheap ganks, get some skills and find them faster. Others can do it, why cant you? you guys a bit slow or something so you need a big boost to catch that ratting raven?
In parting .... nerf cloaks so they use fuel, nerf snakes so they stack with speed mods/gang mods and nerf standings so people in alliances see alliance mates as blue, but EVERYONE else is neutral ... should stop those naptrains  |
Zurrar
Gallente
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.05.15 06:34:00 -
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honestly, keep local. remove the player listing. problem solved. infact ill make a post on it :)
Originally by: Darla Dawson
Quit, and go play wow
I slaughter the english language better than a isk farmer. I love you. |
Divad Ginleek
Gallente
Gateway Industries
House of Mercury
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Posted - 2008.05.15 07:52:00 -
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I believe the term "sandbox" is used to refer to EVE-online. not "PVP game". It just so happens that hardcore, always on PVP is part of that "sandbox", just the same as mining and ratting are. Keeps the possibilities open, unlike other games with safe zones or PVP flagging. thats all the PVP element in EVE does. Local chat is critical intelligence that balances those different play styles.
but if it really must changed, take it out, and add an implant that reads the systems jump gates and displays a list of names (and red/blue status) every 30 seconds. (tried to make it fit RP  )
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Tiberius Maddox
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Posted - 2008.05.15 08:06:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Exuscon
Like I said before and I will say it again.. Until people have option of being anonymus to other players if they wish is added ,this will remain a stale PVP game with no element suprise........
Yeah, okay, fine. But you don't get something for nothing in EVE, as you are well aware. You want a super-duper wizbang cloaker 10,000 that hides your ship from everyone else? Sure thing, but it should carry the same kind of penalty as a warp core stabilizer. Fair enough?
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Zurrar
Gallente
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.05.15 08:21:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Tiberius Maddox
Originally by: Exuscon
Like I said before and I will say it again.. Until people have option of being anonymus to other players if they wish is added ,this will remain a stale PVP game with no element suprise........
Yeah, okay, fine. But you don't get something for nothing in EVE, as you are well aware. You want a super-duper wizbang cloaker 10,000 that hides your ship from everyone else? Sure thing, but it should carry the same kind of penalty as a warp core stabilizer. Fair enough?
it does... and its a 'i win' button.
step 1- watch local
step 2- when local spikes warp to safe spot
step 3- cloak
step 4- wait for them to leave
step 5- go back to ratting
repeat
Originally by: Darla Dawson
Quit, and go play wow
I slaughter the english language better than a isk farmer. I love you. |
Tiberius Maddox
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Posted - 2008.05.15 08:24:00 -
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Edited by: Tiberius Maddox on 15/05/2008 08:24:13
Originally by: Zurrar
it does... and its a 'i win' button.
step 1- watch local
step 2- when local spikes warp to safe spot
step 3- cloak
step 4- wait for them to leave
step 5- go back to ratting
repeat
That's why nobody's getting killed these days, in EVE. Right...
Sorry, the issue's a bit more complex than that.
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Zurrar
Gallente
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.05.15 08:25:00 -
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people die all the time. its the ones who farm and the nano ships that run with cloaks fit, warp off and hide until your vastly larger number of ships get bored and leave. ive seen that happen twice this last week.
Originally by: Darla Dawson
Quit, and go play wow
I slaughter the english language better than a isk farmer. I love you. |
Polcor Rodal
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.15 10:14:00 -
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I would be fine, with some kind of "Radar". Runs permanently, shows contact
in relation to my position, maybe an indicator which size (small medium large
capital). Make the range a bit (not much) bigger than now to provide some
"Warning time".
Optional a skill could be implemented that increase range, or enables you to determine
what class of ship you see on scanner (Frig, cruiser, HAC ..) If you want to know more
you have to use probes, and remove the char infos from local. This hunters get their
anon option, the prey still has a fair chance to escape (if they are paying attention).
Also it would make intel more important, and increases the imersion as well.
Pol
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qantua gnartians
Gallente
Parabolum Kumkvatum
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.05.15 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Futtbucker
Exus has a point.. What would be brainless about actualy having to be prepaired to fight an unexpected fight?
a rook a rapier and 2 BS with logistics means instant death for any solo ratter theres simply no realistic way to defend you against someone pulling numbers, SP and isk on you. Hence you need the option of running. It's just plain wrong to apply any fair dueling based logic to eve-o PvP.
PvP in eve dont mean counterstike like slugfest it means something more deceptive, it's just more of a chess game then a reaction time contest.
Every once in a while this comes up and it always ends with someone suggest a system that serves the exact same tactical purpose of local but without the added social side effect.
Local cloaks could be introduced to those that want to stay completely hidded but it would need some serious drawbacks to especially lock time, and combat efficiency, basicly making it useless for people just wanting to surprise ratters/miners.
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Julian Lynq
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Posted - 2008.05.15 13:54:00 -
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Local chat is...
an old forum topic
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Ataraxia.
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Posted - 2008.05.15 13:58:00 -
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Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 15/05/2008 13:58:44
I still don't see why the simple solution-only displaying local COUNT-is such an issue.
Seems a fair compromise.
**EDIT**Want to see who it is? Get eyeballs .
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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qantua gnartians
Gallente
Parabolum Kumkvatum
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.05.15 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: RuleoftheBone
Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 15/05/2008 13:58:44
I still don't see why the simple solution-only displaying local COUNT-is such an issue.
Seems a fair compromise.
**EDIT**Want to see who it is? Get eyeballs .
Because it disencourage chatting in local if the act of saying something is the sole trigger of your details being avaliable to the remaining local.
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