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Exuscon
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.14 00:08:00 -
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Edited by: Exuscon on 14/05/2008 00:10:22
Edited by: Exuscon on 14/05/2008 00:09:00
useless besides seeing what pilot and sp is in your zone.
This is same as Jedi hiding in house from BH all day in SWG.
People just go dock or a far away safe place and hide. Tired of people having access to my creation date everytime I enter a system.
Local chat is never used. It is like Kiddy Daycare until this is fixed or changed to make the PVP alot more interesting.
Flame away , make excuses. We all know this is true.
"Save the tree!
Wipe your arse with an owl instead."
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Niko medes
Gallente
T.E.C. Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.14 00:09:00 -
[2]
i actually agree with you ;]
makes pvp alot more interesting.
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Exuscon
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.14 00:14:00 -
[3]
 Originally by: Niko medes
i actually agree with you ;]
makes pvp alot more interesting.
exactly.. it is borring now cause when I go hunting noob pirates in low sectors they all go hide. Noob pirate = anything younger than early 05'
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Wipe your arse with an owl instead."
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Price Watcher
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Posted - 2008.05.14 00:20:00 -
[4]
Local chat is...
Holy, useful, sacred. CCP will never change or delete it. 
POST WITH YOUR ALT!
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.05.14 00:47:00 -
[5]
actually local is useful for smacking, which in turn makes people get upset which in turn causes them to make mistakes and lose ships
plenty useful (@'.')b
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Eve Players are not very smart.
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JamnOne
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.14 01:01:00 -
[6]
WoW - I leave for a couple of months come back and this topic is still alive.
Local is good for other things besides just seeing who is in area. Besides the spammers, it is also good to meet new people and get assistance against macro farmers, running missions, and surving pvp. (well at least trying)
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So, it's all my fault. 
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TempSniper
UnderDog Industries
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.05.14 01:04:00 -
[7]
Originally by: Exuscon
Edited by: Exuscon on 14/05/2008 00:10:22
Edited by: Exuscon on 14/05/2008 00:09:00
useless besides seeing what pilot and sp is in your zone.
This is same as Jedi hiding in house from BH all day in SWG.
People just go dock or a far away safe place and hide. Tired of people having access to my creation date everytime I enter a system.
Local chat is never used. It is like Kiddy Daycare until this is fixed or changed to make the PVP alot more interesting.
Flame away , make excuses. We all know this is true.
Seems like your whining cause your can't even catch some newb ratting or mining. Kinda sad what one must do to try to gain the upper hand eh?
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Armoured C
Gallente
Globaltech Industries
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.05.14 01:07:00 -
[8]
Edited by: Armoured C on 14/05/2008 01:07:36
Originally by: JamnOne
WoW - I leave for a couple of months come back and this topic is still alive.
you said a naughty word you must suffer the punishment of a 1000 Jita's
i think it should do like other channels and only show people that are talking as then you still get to see the smack of whiney whiney carebears but if you dont say anything nothing appears  including that EOS comming right behind you but dont look around as you will make it really angry 
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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.05.14 01:09:00 -
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I want a deployable module that acts as a placeholder for me in local chat.
Make it scannable and destroyable if you want.
If I anchor it, first you wouldn't notice anything different. But if I leave local chat, my char would still show in that system's localchat because of the place holder module. If I enter that system, people wouldn't notice any difference since it'll look like I was already there.
I want that.
Lets this be a punishment to the cowardly swine in 0.0.
If somebody is not willing to play the game when there's another face in localchat, they don't deserve to play - end of story.
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Depp Knight
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.14 01:18:00 -
[10]
Originally by: Ephemeron
I want a deployable module that acts as a placeholder for me in local chat.
Make it scannable and destroyable if you want.
If I anchor it, first you wouldn't notice anything different. But if I leave local chat, my char would still show in that system's localchat because of the place holder module. If I enter that system, people wouldn't notice any difference since it'll look like I was already there.
I want that.
Lets this be a punishment to the cowardly swine in 0.0.
If somebody is not willing to play the game when there's another face in localchat, they don't deserve to play - end of story.
Ephemeron, I like your idea. I also like the fact that you actually come to 0.0 for a fair fight. It is highly frustrating just to see ravens quickly hit warp and as soon as someone enters local. Then cloak at a safespot.
To add to that, now there is a program that warns you via sound if someone is in local.
Local and scanning needs to be relooked at. Or cloaking ships.
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JamnOne
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.14 01:18:00 -
[11]
Originally by: Armoured C
Edited by: Armoured C on 14/05/2008 01:07:36
Originally by: JamnOne
WoW - I leave for a couple of months come back and this topic is still alive.
you said a naughty word you must suffer the punishment of a 1000 Jita's
No - Not Jita, I promise not to do it again...Please forgive me.
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
So, it's all my fault.
Originally by: CCP Prism X
Hah! Vengeance is sweet!
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Gaiam
Gallente
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2008.05.14 01:41:00 -
[12]
dumb idea, poorly thought out. what the hell would eve be without local? a single player game.
eve is more than just some alliance gimps roaming 0.0 in blobs looking for easy, but wanting even easier, kills.
local chat is never used? do you even play eve?
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Monkey Saturday
SAS Elite Ops
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2008.05.14 01:43:00 -
[13]
LOCAL!
Carry on.
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ChickenOfDoom
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Posted - 2008.05.14 01:47:00 -
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If there was no local any dumbass with a rapier and a small gang backing him up could kill any ratter with no possible defense. Then he would alert everyone in the local defense channel, they would all cloak up, and whoever wasn't ratting would spend the next hour or so chasing around the nanoships until they get bored and leave (or, if they are penned off with a bubble, log off for a few hours).
In order to save everyone a whole lot of wasted time, I would propose the following alternate solution: once or twice a day, for every region in 0.0, an npc pirate version of concord warps in on a random, unsuspecting ship and omgwtfbbqpwns it. You get the exact same result and everyone on both sides spends a lot less time on pointless crap.
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Mavolio
White Nova Industries
Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.05.14 01:48:00 -
[15]
People rly dont think this though. Remove local and you will have to check every belt in every system you enter without even knowing if some 1 is even in that system. Which woudln't be too bad if there were like 2 belts per system but most are 10+ so bad idea in general.
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Orar Ironfist
Incarnation of Evil
Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.14 01:54:00 -
[16]
I really didnt read any responses so if it was said already then excuse me:
OP your ********. Just cause you are physically incapable of getting kills doesnt mean that you should blame it on local. Blame it instead on your shortcomings as a pilot.
Pirate for Life(no matter my sec)
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Exuscon
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.14 02:12:00 -
[17]
Edited by: Exuscon on 14/05/2008 02:15:07
You folks that are dependant on Local are the whiners.
If they added an anon feature would be great.
PVP would get real interesting without local. Until Local is fixed or gone you guys are the ones needing that handicap. The rest that do not depend on or could care less about it are far from being whiners.
Local chat is easymode for the unexpecting other wise it is useless.
"Save the tree!
Wipe your arse with an owl instead."
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BLACKSTONES
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Posted - 2008.05.14 02:15:00 -
[18]
well how about this. if u dont wont to use local minimize it. i know a wild and crazy thought.
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Faife
Noctiscion
Twilight Trade Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.14 02:16:00 -
[19]
you know what sounds like fun, OP? having a scanner open and clicking "scan" every second while ratting
that sounds like a giant failboat of fun. now you ponder this, while you go away.
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Exuscon
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.14 02:17:00 -
[20]
Edited by: Exuscon on 14/05/2008 02:19:26
Originally by: BLACKSTONES
well how about this. if u dont wont to use local minimize it. i know a wild and crazy thought.
I want the option of being anon in the game. I do not want you to see when I come into a system. This the only MMO without it. EVE is easymode PVP until people have that option!
I do not even want you seeing me when I come online.
"Save the tree!
Wipe your arse with an owl instead."
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Frug
Repo Industries
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.05.14 02:37:00 -
[21]
While i'm all for doing away with local, it sounds like you're just suggesting removing it without replacing it with some way for people to defend against being jumped, which is a pretty stupid suggestion.
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Exuscon
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.14 02:38:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Frug
While i'm all for doing away with local, it sounds like you're just suggesting removing it without replacing it with some way for people to defend against being jumped, which is a pretty stupid suggestion.
Being jumped?
Thats part of PVP right? You damn carebears make me sick.
"Save the tree!
Wipe your arse with an owl instead."
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Monkey Saturday
SAS Elite Ops
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2008.05.14 02:39:00 -
[23]
You do realize carebears fuel piracy right?
Without a viable substitute to local you're just shooting yourself in the foot.
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Faife
Noctiscion
Twilight Trade Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.14 02:43:00 -
[24]
Originally by: Monkey Saturday
You do realize carebears fuel piracy right?
Without a viable substitute to local you're just shooting yourself in the foot.
he's trolling, leave him alone.
partially my fault, i read first post and didnt catch on quick enough.
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Exuscon
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.14 03:32:00 -
[25]
Edited by: Exuscon on 14/05/2008 03:34:10
Originally by: Monkey Saturday
You do realize carebears fuel piracy right?
Without a viable substitute to local you're just shooting yourself in the foot.
substitute to Local?
Yeah leave it but, give folks the option of being anon if they wish.
Why so hardpressed to keep local and not allowing for anon?
"Save the tree!
Wipe your arse with an owl instead."
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Boran Tisk
Wise Guys
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Posted - 2008.05.14 03:42:00 -
[26]
Edited by: Boran Tisk on 14/05/2008 03:43:01
Whats stopping the ratters from keeping their scanner up?
You wouldn't be completely defenseless without local
I think it should be gonnneee
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Tequila Storm
Minmatar
30 ounces
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Posted - 2008.05.14 03:43:00 -
[27]
Edited by: Tequila Storm on 14/05/2008 03:45:19
Originally by: Exuscon
Edited by: Exuscon on 14/05/2008 00:10:22
Edited by: Exuscon on 14/05/2008 00:09:00
useless besides seeing what pilot and sp is in your zone.
This is same as Jedi hiding in house from BH all day in SWG.
People just go dock or a far away safe place and hide. Tired of people having access to my creation date everytime I enter a system.
Local chat is never used. It is like Kiddy Daycare until this is fixed or changed to make the PVP alot more interesting.
Flame away , make excuses. We all know this is true.
A player of your age should have worked away around it and past it by now, upset that you are foiled by "noobs"?...char birth date doesnt mean your any good or you wouldnt be posting here
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Isobe Mitsu
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Posted - 2008.05.14 04:22:00 -
[28]
"Local chat is"
Great! when people actually chat.
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Exuscon
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.14 04:23:00 -
[29]
Edited by: Exuscon on 14/05/2008 04:25:35
Originally by: Tequila Storm
Edited by: Tequila Storm on 14/05/2008 03:45:19
Originally by: Exuscon
Edited by: Exuscon on 14/05/2008 00:10:22
Edited by: Exuscon on 14/05/2008 00:09:00
useless besides seeing what pilot and sp is in your zone.
This is same as Jedi hiding in house from BH all day in SWG.
People just go dock or a far away safe place and hide. Tired of people having access to my creation date everytime I enter a system.
Local chat is never used. It is like Kiddy Daycare until this is fixed or changed to make the PVP alot more interesting.
Flame away , make excuses. We all know this is true.
A player of your age should have worked away around it and past it by now, upset that you are foiled by "noobs"?...char birth date doesnt mean your any good or you wouldnt be posting here
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Work my way around what? It's a tired old feature that takes away the element of suprise that is so common in most PVP games.
Like I said before and I will say it again.. Until people have option of being anonymus to other players if they wish is added ,this will remain a stale PVP game with no element suprise........
"Save the tree!
Wipe your arse with an owl instead."
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Adhamhnon
Grenadiers
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Posted - 2008.05.14 04:53:00 -
[30]
I figure life would be easier for you guys that like to spam the same old topics every week for years and years if I made you a simple form letter so you don't have to make another post that no one will ever read. Here you go, even filled in some of the blanks for you.
My Name Is:
[Excuson]
I am a/an:
PVPer [x]
Miner [ ]
Mission Runner [ ]
Other [ ]
I would like to complain about:
High Sec Ganking [ ]
Local Chat [x]
Blobs [ ]
Lag [ ]
Noobs [ ]
Veterans [ ]
Login Traps [ ]
Farmers [ ]
GTC for ISK [ ]
BoB [ ]
I would like to compare this problem in EVE to this other MMO
WoW [ ]
SWG [ ]
Other [ ]
Adjectives I'd like to apply to this issue
Lame [ ]
Exploit [ ]
Childish [x]
Mean [ ]
Unfair [x]
Other [ ] (please fill in the adjective you would like to use.)
There, that should make everyone's life much easier.
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KSUDruid stole my coffee table. :(
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Exuscon
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.14 05:07:00 -
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You just like to ignore it as most carebears would. When you get use to easymode for long enough you result to denial when a legitimate issue is brought up.
"Save the tree!
Wipe your arse with an owl instead."
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Adhamhnon
Grenadiers
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Posted - 2008.05.14 05:23:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Exuscon
You just like to ignore it as most carebears would. When you get use to easymode for long enough you result to denial when a legitimate issue is brought up.
lol, before you're slinging around "carebear", you may want to at least glance at Battleclinic or something... Mr. 1 kill to my 713. I'm just sick of seeing the same old crappy whining posts on here.
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KSUDruid stole my coffee table. :(
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Frug
Repo Industries
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.05.14 05:53:00 -
[33]
Edited by: Frug on 14/05/2008 05:53:31
Originally by: Exuscon
Originally by: Frug
While i'm all for doing away with local, it sounds like you're just suggesting removing it without replacing it with some way for people to defend against being jumped, which is a pretty stupid suggestion.
Being jumped?
Thats part of PVP right? You damn carebears make me sick.
You're an idiot. I don't mine, but I'm not stupid enough to suggest something that destroys the game for people who play differently than you do.
If you want a brainless game of running in and attacking, wow is that way -->
Your bland vision of eve is not something I share.
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Xtreem
Gallente
Knockaround Guys Inc.
Exxxotic
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Posted - 2008.05.14 06:05:00 -
[34]
i like local, leave it alone.
u wont get more targets with removing it, just less people going into 0.0 and EVEN less in low sec
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Futtbucker
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Posted - 2008.05.14 06:06:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Frug
Edited by: Frug on 14/05/2008 05:53:31
Originally by: Exuscon
Originally by: Frug
While i'm all for doing away with local, it sounds like you're just suggesting removing it without replacing it with some way for people to defend against being jumped, which is a pretty stupid suggestion.
Being jumped?
Thats part of PVP right? You damn carebears make me sick.
You're an idiot. I don't mine, but I'm not stupid enough to suggest something that destroys the game for people who play differently than you do.
If you want a brainless game of running in and attacking, wow is that way -->
Your bland vision of eve is not something I share.
Exus has a point.. What would be brainless about actualy having to be prepaired to fight an unexpected fight?
It is carebearish and easymode like he says when all you do is have to watch local to know if danger might be headed your way.
If you are in mining rig ,indy or just out of your sp security why should it be as easy as monitoring local and avoiding all risk?
He may have trouble finding people to kill but, by his age of char and his local issues, I would bet he works alot damn harder than any of you in PVP 1 kill only or not.
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Adhamhnon
Grenadiers
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Posted - 2008.05.14 06:30:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Adhamhnon on 14/05/2008 06:32:28
Originally by: Futtbucker
Exus has a point.. What would be brainless about actualy having to be prepaired to fight an unexpected fight?
It is carebearish and easymode like he says when all you do is have to watch local to know if danger might be headed your way.
If you are in mining rig ,indy or just out of your sp security why should it be as easy as monitoring local and avoiding all risk?
He may have trouble finding people to kill but, by his age of char and his local issues, I would bet he works alot damn harder than any of you in PVP 1 kill only or not.
And why should it be easymode to gank some guy ratting or a corp mining op because they don't have any warning? This logic always eluded me... easymode for them is bad, easy mode for us is ok. It's the exact same thing, only turned around. The only people removing local benefits are those that are looking for cheap easy "gank" type kills. I'd propose that the gank style of play is not more valid than the carebear style of play.
And your last point makes no sense at all... his char is over 3 years old, has 1 kill and is calling other people "carebear". I worked to get most of my kills, and a great majority of them weren't cheap ganks on ratters or miners, but real pvp versus other fleets and other people that are actually willing to fight.
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Futtbucker
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Posted - 2008.05.14 06:32:00 -
[37]
Edited by: Futtbucker on 14/05/2008 06:35:24
Edited by: Futtbucker on 14/05/2008 06:33:37
Originally by: Adhamhnon
Originally by: Futtbucker
Exus has a point.. What would be brainless about actualy having to be prepaired to fight an unexpected fight?
It is carebearish and easymode like he says when all you do is have to watch local to know if danger might be headed your way.
If you are in mining rig ,indy or just out of your sp security why should it be as easy as monitoring local and avoiding all risk?
He may have trouble finding people to kill but, by his age of char and his local issues, I would bet he works alot damn harder than any of you in PVP 1 kill only or not.
And why should it be easymode to gank some guy ratting or a corp mining op because they don't have any warning? This logic always eluded me... easymode for them is bad, easy mode for us is ok. It's the exact same thing, only turned around. The only people removing local benefits are those that are looking for cheap easy "gank" type kills. I'd propose that the gank style of play is no more valid than the carebear style of play.
And your last point makes no sense at all... his char is over 3 years old, has 1 kill and is calling other people "carebear". I worked to get most of my kills, and a great majority of them weren't cheap ganks on ratters or miners, but real pvp versus other fleets and other people that are actually willing to fight.
Whats not to expect from a blob?
Getting kills in 0.0 is about as easy as it gets. You do not really have to go looking for it either.
I wonder what kind of easymode we could discuss about 0.0? Whats FOTM/Y?
You guys love to spin the issue - topic at hand , but whats with other people liking solo and smaller scale battles? That are easier found in low sec and cost a hella lot less in cred?
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Adhamhnon
Grenadiers
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Posted - 2008.05.14 06:37:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Futtbucker
Edited by: Futtbucker on 14/05/2008 06:33:37
Originally by: Adhamhnon
And why should it be easymode to gank some guy ratting or a corp mining op because they don't have any warning? This logic always eluded me... easymode for them is bad, easy mode for us is ok. It's the exact same thing, only turned around. The only people removing local benefits are those that are looking for cheap easy "gank" type kills. I'd propose that the gank style of play is no more valid than the carebear style of play.
And your last point makes no sense at all... his char is over 3 years old, has 1 kill and is calling other people "carebear". I worked to get most of my kills, and a great majority of them weren't cheap ganks on ratters or miners, but real pvp versus other fleets and other people that are actually willing to fight.
Whats not to expect from a blob?
Getting kills in 0.0 is about as easy as it gets. You do not really have to go looking for it either.
I wonder what kind of easymode we could discuss about 0.0? Whats FOTM/Y?
A lot of the time you do have to go looking for fights in 0.0. And a lot of my kills aren't "blobs" they're small gang action, some 1 v 1, and some small fleet on small fleet, like 10 vs 10, 20 vs 20 type stuff.
I also have no idea what FOTM/Y means, so can't answer that.
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KSUDruid stole my coffee table. :(
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Frug
Repo Industries
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.05.14 06:40:00 -
[39]
Edited by: Frug on 14/05/2008 06:43:30
Originally by: Futtbucker
Exus has a point.. What would be brainless about actualy having to be prepaired to fight an unexpected fight?
It is carebearish and easymode like he says when all you do is have to watch local to know if danger might be headed your way.
If you are in mining rig ,indy or just out of your sp security why should it be as easy as monitoring local and avoiding all risk?
He may have trouble finding people to kill but, by his age of char and his local issues, I would bet he works alot damn harder than any of you in PVP 1 kill only or not.
BUCK FUTTER
No really, it's pretty noobish to think like just pulling out the only means of scouting beyond 2 AU from the game like that's going to make things better. There's a lot of people use local, and not all of us are carebears. I do NOT look forward to hunting war targets without being able to see who is where, for example. A LOT of pirates hate the idea too, because it means they have to scan every damn belt in every damn system instead of being able to ignore empty systems.
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Neat look what I found - Kreul
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Futtbucker
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Posted - 2008.05.14 06:42:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Frug
Originally by: Futtbucker
Exus has a point.. What would be brainless about actualy having to be prepaired to fight an unexpected fight?
It is carebearish and easymode like he says when all you do is have to watch local to know if danger might be headed your way.
If you are in mining rig ,indy or just out of your sp security why should it be as easy as monitoring local and avoiding all risk?
He may have trouble finding people to kill but, by his age of char and his local issues, I would bet he works alot damn harder than any of you in PVP 1 kill only or not.
BUCK FUTTER
No really, it's pretty stupid to think like just pulling out the only means of scouting beyond 2 AU from the game like that's going to make things better. There's a lot of people use local, and not all of us are carebears. I do NOT look forward to hunting war targets without being able to see who is where, for example. A LOT of pirates hate the idea too, because it means they have to scan every damn belt in every damn system instead of being able to ignore empty systems.
Exactly my point in the OP's defense. Most of you are lazy noobs
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Frug
Repo Industries
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.05.14 06:45:00 -
[41]
Yeah ok. Or I just really think that spamming a scan button on a directional scanner over and over is a pretty lame thing to have to do for any game, and don't want to force that upon miners, ratters and even other pvpers just so you can kill every single unsuspecting target you land on, rather than have to actually probe or chase them.
Which btw is pretty lazy on your part.
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Frug
Repo Industries
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.05.14 06:48:00 -
[42]
Futter. Buck Futter, I don't get it.
OOH I THINK YA DO TREBEK.
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If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO
BOOO!! - Ductoris
Neat look what I found - Kreul
Hey, my marbles |
Futtbucker
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Posted - 2008.05.14 06:50:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Frug
Futter. Buck Futter, I don't get it.
OOH I THINK YA DO TREBEK.
you are a tool! 
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Frug
Repo Industries
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.05.14 06:50:00 -
[44]
hahah
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If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO
BOOO!! - Ductoris
Neat look what I found - Kreul
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Achran Dexx
Caldari
CompleXion Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.14 07:02:00 -
[45]
PVP with the person who is engaged not being able to fend him or herself off in any way! Kudos to your idea!
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Futtbucker
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Posted - 2008.05.14 07:09:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Achran Dexx
PVP with the person who is engaged not being able to fend him or herself off in any way! Kudos to your idea!
Why don't we just move Concord into low sec space if there is to be no risk?
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TempSniper
UnderDog Industries
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.05.14 07:24:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Futtbucker
Originally by: Achran Dexx
PVP with the person who is engaged not being able to fend him or herself off in any way! Kudos to your idea!
Why don't we just move Concord into low sec space if there is to be no risk?
Why not stop posting with alts cause you want local gone? If you had any kills on say battleclinic I might stop and listen to the flith coming outta your mouth but your not even on battleclinic so stop crying like a 12 year old child.
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Frug
Repo Industries
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.05.14 07:25:00 -
[48]
Not being on battleclinic makes you 12
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If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO
BOOO!! - Ductoris
Neat look what I found - Kreul
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Dead6re
Amarr
The Kobayashi Maru
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.14 07:36:00 -
[49]
Okay, Yes you could remove local from all players but how would people be able to check who is in system? Those that PVP would lose all ability to see who is in a system. Great, lets add some scan tools and make everyone overload the server with requests. Every miner/ratter in 0.0 & low-sec would be pressing the button every 5-10 seconds. Local provides a way to reduce this load.
If you can propose some solution to this, that enables miners/ratters a fair chance to be able to defend themselves against any incoming threat but is cost-effective in terms of processing power and transfer. That maybe we can start looking and start an actual debate that is worthwhile.
Currently your posts are rubbish and provide no way to help CCP or provide ideas. You cannot change one thing without giving something else in its place.
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CCP Sharkbait: i'm using vista 3bit business and i have no problems at all with most things really, including Eve.
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2008.05.14 07:39:00 -
[50]
local chat is...
...LOCAL!!!
U GOT IT CPT OBVIOUS!!!!
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NeoNeTiC
Mortis Angelus
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.05.14 10:16:00 -
[51]
A few things come to mind:
It'd be possible to make local similar to cosmic anomalies. Means you have to scan 30 secs before you get a quote.
Also means you have to spam the button all the time or gatecamp 23/7 to get a fight/kill 
Another solution is to reduce local to a few AU around your ship - gives you enough time to align/warp in case someone tries to go after you. People docked / safespotted far off can't relay intel about people in system.
Forces you to warp from planet to planet to find a target though, in case there is one.
I'd personally like to see smaller systems and an improved onboard scanner since there's nothing more tedious to warp 90AU just to find out that NPCer in local cloaks once you appear on scan. :O
If you just remove local without a substitute you further encourage gatecamping and force people to go to empire to run missions to grind the ISK for PvP. ;_;
But that's all nothing new and I doubt we'll see a change :<
Enjoy pushing show-info,
NeoNeTiC
[MORTS]-Scout
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Euriti
Gallente
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.05.14 10:19:00 -
[52]
Make local like noob corp chat. You only show up when you talk.
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Niko medes
Gallente
T.E.C. Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.14 11:07:00 -
[53]
that'd be a good idea, but i still think pvp would be super fun if you took out local chat.
you wouldnt know what to expect, which is why it'd be alot more fun.
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Johnny Gurkha
Maleficus Cruentus Interfeci
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Posted - 2008.05.14 11:19:00 -
[54]
There was a patch sometime last year which removed local accidentally and it was the best day or two ingame I've had since I played...
Remove local listings and just have people ID'd if they type in local so people can at least spam their inane babble if they wish
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.05.14 11:33:00 -
[55]
perhaps a 10 minute delay to local.
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Matrixcvd
Caldari
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.05.14 12:15:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Callthetruth
perhaps a 10 minute delay to local.
sure, good compromise but it needs to go in its current state... its BS to know who comes into system, a jump counting device anchored or something you NEED to do to gather intelligence, instead of fryin BACON and your fail, make people pay attention to what they are doin
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Siddy
Minmatar
Art of War
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.14 12:18:00 -
[57]
I strongly object this!
Dont touh my 100% free, 100% accurate inttel tool!
Go greif people in Counnterstrike you Countterstrike Kiddie!!!113123412
Leave us players to deside for ourself wither we want or not fight you. Personaly i prefer sitting in station! And smack from there, and thats legimate tactic!
So big NO!
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GB Man
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Posted - 2008.05.14 13:00:00 -
[58]
...more than likely going to be revamped with the release of the next expansion.
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BiggestT
Caldari
Fun Inc
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.05.14 13:24:00 -
[59]
I reckon it shld be there for smack, and the number in local there but not name.
1) this will make it harder for isk farmers as they will need to log/cloak everytime someone -most likely running the pipe most days- enters loacl
2) The scanner will need to be used more, requiring more brain work and a little skill.
3) It will be great if say two gangs encounter in a system, and use local to try guess others numbers, but they can never be entirely sure because it may be just some random *yay* drama  imagine three gangs -tactical funfunfun-
"The assymetrical horrors of the motherland will rise,
the mechanical beasts will depart from the dark,
we will not perish, we will not fail.
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Rheddin
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Posted - 2008.05.14 13:32:00 -
[60]
ok, get rid of local chat & ability to info chars from it.
but not the fact that you can see who is in system. It's the equivalent of a long range scanner that just says there is someone about, without giving their location. - unless, if you do get rid of it, then replace it with a *****ble module instead?
Make people who cloak dissappear from the view of who is in system.
thats how I would do it.
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GB Man
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Posted - 2008.05.14 13:42:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Rheddin
ok, get rid of local chat & ability to info chars from it.
but not the fact that you can see who is in system. It's the equivalent of a long range scanner that just says there is someone about, without giving their location. - unless, if you do get rid of it, then replace it with a *****ble module instead?
Make people who cloak dissappear from the view of who is in system.
thats how I would do it.
The problem with being able to "see who is in system", is that this also includes their security status (Thanks to Bacon). Which can be more than enough of a warning about what's going to happen.
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Rheddin
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Posted - 2008.05.14 13:45:00 -
[62]
ah, I would also fix the logserver and prevent tools like bacon working.
I think being able to see even just a count of people in system would work for me, the main change I would like other than that is for claokers not to be in the count/on the list.
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Orin Valari
Caldari
The Sycorax Syndicate
The Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.05.14 14:18:00 -
[63]
If you get rid of local (or make it delayed or whatever), the scanner needs to be buffed a bit.
One easy buff would be to show ships that are currently un-manned in italics, and ships that are piloted in bold. That way systems that have a lot of ships parked at POSes don't clutter it up and make being aware of your surroundings a pain.
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Futtbucker
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Posted - 2008.05.14 14:53:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Orin Valari
If you get rid of local (or make it delayed or whatever), the scanner needs to be buffed a bit.
One easy buff would be to show ships that are currently un-manned in italics, and ships that are piloted in bold. That way systems that have a lot of ships parked at POSes don't clutter it up and make being aware of your surroundings a pain.
Anonymous ability works to!
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Isobe Mitsu
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Posted - 2008.05.14 16:03:00 -
[65]
Basically "Local Chat" isn't just "Local Chat", if it were just chat there would be no real need for every name to be listed. In other chat channels your name doesn't appear on the list until you speak. If local chat was like this then it would be more of a "Local Chat" rather than a tool used to know who is in the system.
Local chat is basically a meta game intelligence tool and appears to be used far more as "Local Intelligence" rather than "Local Chat" which is a bit unfortunate really as it gives an advantage that would otherwise require quite a bit of effort.
On another note look at the recent (Or maybe just recently exposed) Bacon software which is a blatant exploit taking "Local Intelligence" meta gaming to a whole new level.
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Futtbucker
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Posted - 2008.05.14 16:28:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Isobe Mitsu
Basically "Local Chat" isn't just "Local Chat", if it were just chat there would be no real need for every name to be listed. In other chat channels your name doesn't appear on the list until you speak. If local chat was like this then it would be more of a "Local Chat" rather than a tool used to know who is in the system.
Local chat is basically a meta game intelligence tool and appears to be used far more as "Local Intelligence" rather than "Local Chat" which is a bit unfortunate really as it gives an advantage that would otherwise require quite a bit of effort.
On another note look at the recent (Or maybe just recently exposed) Bacon software which is a blatant exploit taking "Local Intelligence" meta gaming to a whole new level.
yes it is unfortunate...
The negatives outweight the good of it.
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Faife
Noctiscion
Twilight Trade Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.14 16:35:00 -
[67]
Better idea: add a "kill" button to local. You right click the picture, click kill, and target dies.
Will remove that nasty safe gameplay problem right up.
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Mavolio
White Nova Industries
Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.05.14 16:47:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Exuscon
I do not want you to see when I come into a system. This the only MMO without it.
I can think of atleast 3 MMO's with this feature other than EvE, yet more proof that 90% of facts are made up on the spot.
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Isobe Mitsu
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Posted - 2008.05.14 16:51:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Mavolio
People rly dont think this though. Remove local and you will have to check every belt in every system you enter without even knowing if some 1 is even in that system. Which woudln't be too bad if there were like 2 belts per system but most are 10+ so bad idea in general.
Have you ever heard of something called a scanner? And there is this mysterious item called a recon probe launcher.
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Sylvia Lafayette
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Posted - 2008.05.14 17:02:00 -
[70]
observatorer deep space probe. its like a 60 second wait in a cov ops ships and gives you a readout of people in local and a decent idea of their location. getting rid of local would open a huge market for reconnaissance info.
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Futtbucker
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Posted - 2008.05.14 17:02:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Futtbucker on 14/05/2008 17:03:07
Originally by: Mavolio
Originally by: Exuscon
I do not want you to see when I come into a system. This the only MMO without it.
I can think of atleast 3 MMO's with this feature other than EvE, yet more proof that 90% of facts are made up on the spot.
Name me 1 PVP centric MMO where you have do not have the option of going anonymous from the playerbase besides EVE ?
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Faife
Noctiscion
Twilight Trade Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.14 17:18:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Futtbucker
Name me 1 PVP centric MMO where you have do not have the option of going anonymous from the playerbase besides EVE ?
team fortress 2.
let me guess, now that you're proven wrong you're gonna start squabbling over what exactly is massive and what isn't.
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Futtbucker
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Posted - 2008.05.14 17:50:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Faife
Originally by: Futtbucker
Name me 1 PVP centric MMO where you have do not have the option of going anonymous from the playerbase besides EVE ?
team fortress 2.
let me guess, now that you're proven wrong you're gonna start squabbling over what exactly is massive and what isn't.
TF2 is not a MMORPG
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Faife
Noctiscion
Twilight Trade Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.14 18:06:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Futtbucker
TF2 is not a MMORPG
called it
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Mavolio
White Nova Industries
Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.05.14 18:09:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Futtbucker
Name me 1 PVP centric MMO where you have do not have the option of going anonymous from the playerbase besides EVE ?
1) Armada online
2) In wow there are mods that let you track the health and who they are targetting from very far away
omg 2 and didn't even try.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.05.14 18:12:00 -
[76]
the simple fact that it's possible to macro-rat in 0.0 with 100% impunity against all players should say all that needs to be said about local...
...but whatever 
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Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.05.14 18:21:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Futtbucker
Name me 1 PVP centric MMORPG where you have do not have the option of going anonymous from the playerbase besides EVE ?
Planetside (for arbitrary values of "RPG"  )
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Mavolio
White Nova Industries
Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.05.14 18:42:00 -
[78]
Poeple just need to think of better ideas tbh, like making it so covert ops ships dont appear in local for 2 mins after they enter or some thing. Just saying REMOVE LOCAL!11oneoneeleven!! never was a good idea and no matter how many times people say it wont make it a better idea.
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Call'Da Poleece
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Posted - 2008.05.14 18:52:00 -
[79]
Another nerf local thread, who would have thought it.
All the people who say nerf local just want easy ganks of ratters and miners and industrials ... for some people this is the epitomy of PVP, for others it is lower than a slugs ass.
The thing is if people say local is an intel tool, all CCP has to do is make a special probe (or maybe a new bomb type) that temporarily makes local go empty, BUT you have to be in local to fire it so you will show in local for a bit. So for roaming gangs and up to fleet size you can hide your numbers....
dont go on about bacon, its in progress of being nerfed/already been nerfed according to CCP, just a matter of when it gets implemented in Tranquility. Dont try to talk people into long term game changing solutions to a problem that is short term. (talking about bacon for the dumbasses)
For the dudes looking for the cheap ganks, get some skills and find them faster. Others can do it, why cant you? you guys a bit slow or something so you need a big boost to catch that ratting raven?
In parting .... nerf cloaks so they use fuel, nerf snakes so they stack with speed mods/gang mods and nerf standings so people in alliances see alliance mates as blue, but EVERYONE else is neutral ... should stop those naptrains  |
Zurrar
Gallente
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.05.15 06:34:00 -
[80]
honestly, keep local. remove the player listing. problem solved. infact ill make a post on it :)
Originally by: Darla Dawson
Quit, and go play wow
I slaughter the english language better than a isk farmer. I love you. |
Divad Ginleek
Gallente
Gateway Industries
House of Mercury
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Posted - 2008.05.15 07:52:00 -
[81]
I believe the term "sandbox" is used to refer to EVE-online. not "PVP game". It just so happens that hardcore, always on PVP is part of that "sandbox", just the same as mining and ratting are. Keeps the possibilities open, unlike other games with safe zones or PVP flagging. thats all the PVP element in EVE does. Local chat is critical intelligence that balances those different play styles.
but if it really must changed, take it out, and add an implant that reads the systems jump gates and displays a list of names (and red/blue status) every 30 seconds. (tried to make it fit RP )
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Tiberius Maddox
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Posted - 2008.05.15 08:06:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Exuscon
Like I said before and I will say it again.. Until people have option of being anonymus to other players if they wish is added ,this will remain a stale PVP game with no element suprise........
Yeah, okay, fine. But you don't get something for nothing in EVE, as you are well aware. You want a super-duper wizbang cloaker 10,000 that hides your ship from everyone else? Sure thing, but it should carry the same kind of penalty as a warp core stabilizer. Fair enough?
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Zurrar
Gallente
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.05.15 08:21:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Tiberius Maddox
Originally by: Exuscon
Like I said before and I will say it again.. Until people have option of being anonymus to other players if they wish is added ,this will remain a stale PVP game with no element suprise........
Yeah, okay, fine. But you don't get something for nothing in EVE, as you are well aware. You want a super-duper wizbang cloaker 10,000 that hides your ship from everyone else? Sure thing, but it should carry the same kind of penalty as a warp core stabilizer. Fair enough?
it does... and its a 'i win' button.
step 1- watch local
step 2- when local spikes warp to safe spot
step 3- cloak
step 4- wait for them to leave
step 5- go back to ratting
repeat
Originally by: Darla Dawson
Quit, and go play wow
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Tiberius Maddox
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Posted - 2008.05.15 08:24:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Tiberius Maddox on 15/05/2008 08:24:13
Originally by: Zurrar
it does... and its a 'i win' button.
step 1- watch local
step 2- when local spikes warp to safe spot
step 3- cloak
step 4- wait for them to leave
step 5- go back to ratting
repeat
That's why nobody's getting killed these days, in EVE. Right...
Sorry, the issue's a bit more complex than that.
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Zurrar
Gallente
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.05.15 08:25:00 -
[85]
people die all the time. its the ones who farm and the nano ships that run with cloaks fit, warp off and hide until your vastly larger number of ships get bored and leave. ive seen that happen twice this last week.
Originally by: Darla Dawson
Quit, and go play wow
I slaughter the english language better than a isk farmer. I love you. |
Polcor Rodal
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.15 10:14:00 -
[86]
I would be fine, with some kind of "Radar". Runs permanently, shows contact
in relation to my position, maybe an indicator which size (small medium large
capital). Make the range a bit (not much) bigger than now to provide some
"Warning time".
Optional a skill could be implemented that increase range, or enables you to determine
what class of ship you see on scanner (Frig, cruiser, HAC ..) If you want to know more
you have to use probes, and remove the char infos from local. This hunters get their
anon option, the prey still has a fair chance to escape (if they are paying attention).
Also it would make intel more important, and increases the imersion as well.
Pol
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qantua gnartians
Gallente
Parabolum Kumkvatum
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.05.15 13:47:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Futtbucker
Exus has a point.. What would be brainless about actualy having to be prepaired to fight an unexpected fight?
a rook a rapier and 2 BS with logistics means instant death for any solo ratter theres simply no realistic way to defend you against someone pulling numbers, SP and isk on you. Hence you need the option of running. It's just plain wrong to apply any fair dueling based logic to eve-o PvP.
PvP in eve dont mean counterstike like slugfest it means something more deceptive, it's just more of a chess game then a reaction time contest.
Every once in a while this comes up and it always ends with someone suggest a system that serves the exact same tactical purpose of local but without the added social side effect.
Local cloaks could be introduced to those that want to stay completely hidded but it would need some serious drawbacks to especially lock time, and combat efficiency, basicly making it useless for people just wanting to surprise ratters/miners.
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Julian Lynq
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Posted - 2008.05.15 13:54:00 -
[88]
Local chat is...
an old forum topic
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Ataraxia.
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Posted - 2008.05.15 13:58:00 -
[89]
Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 15/05/2008 13:58:44
I still don't see why the simple solution-only displaying local COUNT-is such an issue.
Seems a fair compromise.
**EDIT**Want to see who it is? Get eyeballs .
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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qantua gnartians
Gallente
Parabolum Kumkvatum
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.05.15 15:41:00 -
[90]
Originally by: RuleoftheBone
Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 15/05/2008 13:58:44
I still don't see why the simple solution-only displaying local COUNT-is such an issue.
Seems a fair compromise.
**EDIT**Want to see who it is? Get eyeballs .
Because it disencourage chatting in local if the act of saying something is the sole trigger of your details being avaliable to the remaining local.
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