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Etho Demerzel Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone	Posted - 2008.05.18 04:37:00 - [181] Originally by: Zaran Darkstar Edited by: Zaran Darkstar on 18/05/2008 04:34:09 Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Zaran Darkstar The point is that with average price of 150M you get a ship that does at best 58 more dps (thats only 7% more dps) and a bit better tank to the Armageddon that costs around 52M average is faster a bit more agile can fire the guns for ever and is less likely to be set primary. I rest my case. Abaddon 8x MP II (AN Multi) 100mn MWD II, Hvy Cap Booster II, Warp Disruptor II, Fleeting Web 2x 1600 RT, 2x EANM II, DC II, 2x HS II 3x Trimark I 5x Hammerhead II -- 166K EHP -- 973 DPS @ 15km Geddon 7x MP II (AN Multi) 100mn MWD II, Hvy Cap Booster II, Faint Warp Disruptor 1600 RT, 2x EANM II, 2x ANP II, IFFA I, 2x HS II 3x Trimark I 5x Ogre II -- 101K EHP -- 1077 DPS @ 15km The Geddon may have more punch, but the Abaddon has far more EHP... and it can fit a point and scram. IMO, Abaddon > Geddon at plate ganking. That's not to say that the Geddon isn't pure pwnage, though. :p -Liang Well check this out then Armageddon Lows 2HSII,3 1600 plates tungsten,1 DCII,1 EANMII,1ANPII Meds 1 100MN MWD II,2 CRII Highs 7 MPLII (multi navy) 5 ogre II rigs 3 trimarks 132K EHP 1077 DPS (cap stable for 7 1/2 minutes) With one HSII less and a EAMNII more we get 152k EHP 953 DPS (cap stable for 10minutes) Not bad for a 52 million ship hehe Yes. You are right. The geddon should be nerfed ===== "If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs." - CCP kieron...
Zaran Darkstar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.05.18 05:11:00 - [182] Originally by: Etho Demerzel Yes. You are right. The geddon should be nerfed Hehe...how about give the artilleries some love instead _______________________________ Join the biggest Minmatar Corp! www.BrutorTribe.com
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.18 05:34:00 - [183] Originally by: Zaran Darkstar Originally by: Etho Demerzel Yes. You are right. The geddon should be nerfed Hehe...how about give the artilleries some love instead /signed. :p -Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.18 09:32:00 - [184] Originally by: Liang Nuren That's not to say that the Geddon isn't pure pwnage, though. :p -Liang That is a really terrible Geddon fit. Also, what does a Geddon have to do with artillery? Vote Goumindong for CSM
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.18 16:13:00 - [185] Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: Liang Nuren That's not to say that the Geddon isn't pure pwnage, though. :p -Liang That is a really terrible Geddon fit. Also, what does a Geddon have to do with artillery? It doesn't. I don't know why the last page of this thread was about the Geddon, except that someone said that the Abaddon sucks because the Geddon is a better ship. It seems as is everyone now agrees that artys suck, and wants to talk about something else. :) -Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved.
Jalif Minmatar	Posted - 2008.05.18 17:38:00 - [186] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: Liang Nuren That's not to say that the Geddon isn't pure pwnage, though. :p -Liang That is a really terrible Geddon fit. Also, what does a Geddon have to do with artillery? It doesn't. I don't know why the last page of this thread was about the Geddon, except that someone said that the Abaddon sucks because the Geddon is a better ship. It seems as is everyone now agrees that artys suck, and wants to talk about something else. :) -Liang So what could be the solution then? Can we sum up what is possible & what is not. Then leave that what CANNOT to the side so what we have the CAN. Then with the CAN we can find something new for minmatar that doesn't look tooo much on railguns for example.
Zaran Darkstar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.05.18 18:22:00 - [187] Edited by: Zaran Darkstar on 18/05/2008 18:30:54 Well i was thinking something else. Since i have heard people consider the Tempest an AC platform and Maelstorm a more artilelries oriented ship Double the Artillery clip size and set the Tempest bonuses as following 7,5% damage per lvl (for large projectiles) 7.5% Falloff per lvl (for large projectiles) While the Maelstorm can change the bonuses to 7,5% damage per lvl (for large projectiles) 7,5% optimal per lvl (for large projectiles) Thoughts?
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.05.18 18:36:00 - [188] Edited by: AstroPhobic on 18/05/2008 18:41:56 Originally by: Zaran Darkstar Originally by: AstroPhobic Just for giggles, if you replace the trimarks with CCCs, Sensor booster with a cap recharger, and your 3rd heatsink (Leaves you still over 1k DPS with 2 HS), 5 minutes, 18 seconds PLUS about 16 extra minutes when using cap boosters. Well... with max skills and navy multifrequency with 8 tachyons and 2 HSII the dps are 770. Keep in mind that the Armageddon with 7 tachyons 3 HSII navy multis reaches the 808 dps ,plus, it can fire for ever without cap booster. Quote: Leaving the trimarks, HS, and sensor booster in, 2 minutes, 11 seconds with no cap booster running, and 7 minutes with it running. 7 minutes = plenty of time to kill whatever you need to kill with 1k DPS... Yes but the DPS are 866 not 1000. Quote: The point is, it's not worthless, it doesn't suck, it's DEFINITELY not the worst ship in eve. Before you go running around whining about the abaddon, why don't you take a look at some of the more broken ships. The point is that with average price of 150M you get a ship that does at best 58 more dps (thats only 7% more dps) and a bit better tank to the Armageddon that costs around 52M average is faster a bit more agile can fire the guns for ever and is less likely to be set primary. I rest my case. I think its fair to count drone DPS at 15 km Plus, geddon less likely to be primaried than an abaddon? What region are you in, so I can visit? Edit: You seem to have forgotten your arguement. Yes, the geddon may be a better ship for the price, but abaddon is NOT a bad ship. Give me a minmatar ship that can do what the abaddon does and I'll stop posting forever... Astro
Jalif Minmatar	Posted - 2008.05.18 18:57:00 - [189] Edited by: Jalif on 18/05/2008 19:00:10 Edited by: Jalif on 18/05/2008 18:58:31 Originally by: Zaran Darkstar Edited by: Zaran Darkstar on 18/05/2008 18:30:54 Well i was thinking something else. Since i have heard people consider the Tempest an AC platform and Maelstorm a more artilelries oriented ship Double the Artillery clip size and set the Tempest bonuses as following 7,5% damage per lvl (for large projectiles) 7.5% Falloff per lvl (for large projectiles) While the Maelstorm can change the bonuses to 7,5% damage per lvl (for large projectiles) 7,5% optimal per lvl (for large projectiles) Thoughts? I'm just going to compare what the vargur has (ship bonus wise). I would like to see the see the falloff, but with 10%, Damage should stay the same. About the mealstrom, it should keep his 7.5% shield boost amount bonus. The second bonus should be availible for AC & Arty, & the ROF is already a nice bonus for that. Don't make ships specialized in one gun type. It should be still flexible to play aroud with. Apoc is maybe meaned for sniping, but it does also (to my opinion) a good job into pulses, just imagian what you could get as optimal with pulses! This same counts for megatron, it is a good amazing sniping ship, but it is also one of the most feared DPS wise. EDIT: what I just said, you could still fit an effective arty on a tempest, it will be mainly for Alpha volley's while the mealstrom goes for the DPS which is handy in fleets! EDIT2: Only the arty will have to be fixed a bit & it will give these 2 ships a whole new meaning to minmatar BS's.
Zaran Darkstar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:31:00 - [190] Edited by: Zaran Darkstar on 18/05/2008 19:33:17 Originally by: Jalif Originally by: Zaran Darkstar Well i was thinking something else. Since i have heard people consider the Tempest an AC platform and Maelstorm a more artilelries oriented ship Double the Artillery clip size and set the Tempest bonuses as following 7,5% damage per lvl (for large projectiles) 7.5% Falloff per lvl (for large projectiles) While the Maelstorm can change the bonuses to 7,5% damage per lvl (for large projectiles) 7,5% optimal per lvl (for large projectiles) Thoughts? I'm just going to compare what the vargur has (ship bonus wise). I would like to see the see the falloff, but with 10%, Damage should stay the same. Well if the clip size gets doubled i guess the current bonuses of the Tempest can keep as they are 5% to damage per lvl 5% to RoF per lvl and maybe on top of that we could add something that will help a bit more without having the rest of eve community hate us. Something like a 7,5% to falloff per lvl ? Quote: EDIT2: Only the arty will have to be fixed a bit & it will give these 2 ships a whole new meaning to minmatar BS's. Hm..agreed. Perhaps if the clip size gets doubled the Maelstorm bonuses shouldn't be changed. I don't know.What you guys think? _______________________________ Join the biggest Minmatar Corp! www.BrutorTribe.com
Jalif Minmatar	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:42:00 - [191] Refering to the last post. People should give their opinion about that. It is very important. Give your opinion, but constructive. About the Arty itself I just had an idea. But it can fall bad, but its maybe a direction -Increase the clip size & falloff & Damage modifier! -Decrease the The Optimal (yes I am serious!) -Then also buff the tracking computers, tracking enhancers & tracking links. I already made a post about that. I would advise to check the following topic http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=773930 (btw, excusse me about that little incident that I had with Marcus, my fault) This will make the Tempest an amazing sniper working in falloff (minmatar has something special now) & it will be there many for damage & still works as an AC's boat. This will make the Mealstrom an good fleet ship because of its rate of fire however its DPS isn't the highest & is also still function as AC ship!
Diomidis Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.19 12:08:00 - [192] Originally by: Jalif Refering to the last post. People should give their opinion about that. It is very important. Give your opinion, but constructive. About the Arty itself I just had an idea. But it can fall bad, but its maybe a direction -Increase the clip size & falloff & Damage modifier! -Decrease the The Optimal (yes I am serious!) -Then also buff the tracking computers, tracking enhancers & tracking links. I already made a post about that. I would advise to check the following topic http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=773930 (btw, excusse me about that little incident that I had with Marcus, my fault) This will make the Tempest an amazing sniper working in falloff (minmatar has something special now) & it will be there many for damage & still works as an AC's boat. This will make the Mealstrom an good fleet ship because of its rate of fire however its DPS isn't the highest & is also still function as AC ship! Making Arties more like ACs, aka Fall-off seriously longer than optimal, could help with your suggestions AND the "add to falloff" requests for TE / TCs. It would be fair(fairer). U could then increase dmg multiplier and clip sizes. Arguing around server lag and fall-off fights otherwise is a bit "off" IMHO: you will not "break" a module under normal circumstances just to "fix-it" under ab-normal ones. These are surely NOT balancing changes, but straight buffs. I like the Jalif approach way more, as I find it honest. Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game! Introduce HEAT EMMITERÖ for the Pilgrim
Blind Jhon	Posted - 2008.06.21 12:11:00 - [193] Originally by: Zaran Darkstar Edited by: Zaran Darkstar on 18/05/2008 18:30:54 Well i was thinking something else. Since i have heard people consider the Tempest an AC platform and Maelstorm a more artilelries oriented ship Double the Artillery clip size and set the Tempest bonuses as following 7,5% damage per lvl (for large projectiles) 7.5% Falloff per lvl (for large projectiles) While the Maelstorm can change the bonuses to 7,5% damage per lvl (for large projectiles) 7,5% optimal per lvl (for large projectiles) Thoughts? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! anyways apart NOT CHANGING SHIP'S BONUSES..... why not: rof 50%decrease so if 1400II is 23 it goes down to 12.5/13... same falloff same aplha same "short" range..... good damage so would be good risk = good damage ? @jalif good the fallof idea.. but you should add an ROF buff(not make it bigger) decrease it minimum 30%
Jalif Deviance Inc Nocturnal Legion	Posted - 2008.06.21 12:14:00 - [194] Originally by: Blind Jhon @jalif good the fallof idea.. but you should add an ROF buff(not make it bigger) decrease it minimum 30% Look at your own topic. I posted there the stats how it would be. If you want to increase ROF. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=769522&page=9 Originally by: CCP Dionysus We like to share the lub.

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