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Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:16:00 - [1] i know iam going to get this post closed and prolly banned as its what ccp like to do but iam going to do it anyway . this post is about a petition i believe has been unfinished first ill start at what i did Ok to start i was short on money and a friend said to me . Hey there is this guy who if you buy GTC's he will buy the 90 day off you for 500 - 600 mill isk each . so i thought great sounded to good to be true went to the EULA and had a read ok nothing that states it is illegal so i say fine no worries and go ahead with the trade it was unsecure ( ok now iam gunna get the THATS AGAINST THE RULES post ) if it is not in the EULA and is in a forum post in a VERY LARGE forum how can a new player expect to read that ? i read the EULA and it said nothing about non secure GTC trade . so this was probally about 6 months ago . now ccp reversed the transaction the otherday and put my wallet into - 4 bill meaning i cannot do nothing at all with this character it is now useless what you cant do with a - isk ballanced char * TRADE WITH OTHER CHARACTERS you cannot trade cause although you trade no money it says you need a 0 wallet * SELL ITEMS Need a broker fee to sell anything * MISSION if i loose a ship the character will then definatally be useless so to fix this i need to get another character OR buy thier game time codes and sell them on the forums which will cost me $400 now in my country i believe that to be as extortion i now know ive done something wrong and i requested ccp 0 my wallet and ban my account for a time they see fit . they said the money is due to isk sellers and there is no logs to verify my story i have the bank statement the paypal statemnet the email from the site i bought the gtc's hell i even have the codes still they have since then been used Sorry our logs dont show this so please CCP what do your logs show ? and sorry to the forum public as iam to enraged for grammar and spelling so i did what everyone does come to the forums
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:21:00 - [2] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain You sold a guy a GTC at twice the normal price and didnt think that was odd? Sucks to be you. Yes it does . and people do make mistakes and if you have never traded in GTC's or dealt with them before how are you meant to know what they sell for ? i heard about people doing it and i read the EULA so i thought it was a good idea
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:31:00 - [3] Originally by: sg3s There are no logs of you trading actualy timecards for ISK. Therefor they cannot confirm you received that money as a means of timecard trading... Ok they might be able to see the characters received timecards (becouse they got activated somewhere) but this is circomstancial and can be easily interpretated as something else. They need cold hard black on white logs that you traded x timecard for x isk. Thats why it is illigal. Also: it will only cost you about $250 if you are patient selling 90d gtc's, thats Ç100 if you pay in euros btw... ^_^ yes i agree on a hard stance if they have no logs and no proof that that acctually happened but i recieved the isk . as mistake was done on my part . i spose the point iam trying to make is - 4 billioning someones wallet is indeed way to harsh for a onetime mistake . i have the bank statement and the codes if the codes were not activated by me then wouldnt that clarify loosly on my story ? ive been with my corp for 2 years in a big alliance ( yes this is an alt ) if the codes were giving to 7 different people in 7 different alliances surely they couldnt all be my alts and i used them ?
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:36:00 - [4] Originally by: Akita T But yeah, adding the stuff about secure GTC trades and the harsh policy on non-secure GTC trades to the EULA might be a good idea. I agree completely and thanks navigator but to have something so harshly dealt with on something that is in a forum post on a very very large forum is harsh indeed as i stated i read the EULA and nothing being there continued with the trade
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:41:00 - [5] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Markousa i have the bank statement and the codes if the codes were not activated by me then wouldnt that clarify loosly on my story ? ive been with my corp for 2 years in a big alliance ( yes this is an alt ) if the codes were giving to 7 different people in 7 different alliances surely they couldnt all be my alts and i used them ? You might want to add to your petition the full, detailed list of the game codes you sold, that way at least they can be tracked (who used them, where did they buy them from, etc) to expose even more of the RMT chain... and who knows, maybe even get a chance to sell them for good this time, via the secure method (unlikely, and you'd be getting a lot less ISK anyway... but who knows). Still... for you to have a MINUS 4 bil wallet it would mean you managed to SPEND 4 bil of it already... what the heck ?!? I have already done all this how much i sold the codes for the exact codes sold the date the codes were both bought of the website and sold to this char i have all the statements and can send them to ccp on request i did not post them on the petition as copy and pasting could denote that i can change them to suit me . so i have the original mails sitting in my email address
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:43:00 - [6] Originally by: Norath84 Edited by: Norath84 on 14/05/2008 10:40:13 What the OP is posting might look like a troll and maybe it is BUT, 1. The EULA does not tell you the read the forms 2. Lots of people don't read forums 3. All GTC rules are on the forums This makes what CCP Navigator posted irrelevant until this is fixed Thank you i agree Norath I have even stated in the petiton that i know now that i did something wrong and if the account could be 0'ed and banned for a time they feel i should be punished
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:44:00 - [7] Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 14/05/2008 10:38:50 If the guy is your friend, you could ask him for the money back, or for buying you some GTC's back. After all, he is your friend right? my "friend" said to bad the guy i sold the codes to offered to buy more
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:55:00 - [8] Quote: the ISK you receive from the EULA violators will be removed and you may be assumed to be involved in EULA violations as well. There is is no reason for anyone to trade in timecodes in any fashion other than by the secure GTC trading." It is never a bad thing to remind all players of this rule as often as possible so he gets to still buy codes i dont get to play unless i give CCP a large amount of money so the same is done with market orders ? if someone buys your stuff through market orders then you also loose the isk ? i can verify those codes are mine but you {quote] assumed that was another word that was used ALOT in the petition so because you guys have a hunch that something is wrong you punish people sounds like American's stance on terrorism " they got em "
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 11:01:00 - [9] Originally by: Tiger313 Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 14/05/2008 10:38:50 If the guy is your friend, you could ask him for the money back, or for buying you some GTC's back. After all, he is your friend right? Had that happened to a friend of mine, after not informing him properly, then I would indeed have done so. (Mind you, I'm not said friend of OP.) after you fly with someone for a few years you assume they are your friend . but as i found out people are inherintly cruel
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 11:04:00 - [10] and on a note i dont believe i stated before . CCP have closed my petition saying problem resolved so i can no longer add to it
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 11:10:00 - [11] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Markousa and on a note i dont believe i stated before . CCP have closed my petition saying problem resolved so i can no longer add to it Well... sorry to say, but it IS resolved. Not the way you like it, but it is resolved : you so much as admitted you have sold GTCs unsecurely, and you have admited you did it because you didn't know it wasn't allowed. While unfortunate (and for the future, they might want to take some steps to make it more of a public knowledge that the ONLY allowed way of GTC trade is via the secure method), your situation was handled as best as it could have according to policies in place now. Sorry. And that is the responce i needed from ccp not too bad so sad . Thank you Akita . although iam still ****ed off with the outcome of this there is nothing more that i can do if possible i would also like to hear about other storys of people having ccp taking thier isk . even if they give it back .
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 11:14:00 - [12] Originally by: RaTTuS there is something you can do , - you gte 2 alt character - you can earn cash on them but as again stated that is still me giving more money to ccp they take my ingame money off me so i can give them more out of game . wait isnt that a EULA violation using real money to buy ingame things ?
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 11:24:00 - [13] Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban Originally by: CCP really need to put it in the EULA, until then things like this will keep happening. [/quote This is the point iam trying to get across .
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 11:26:00 - [14] When looking for the games EULA i looked under F.A.Q i also read under suspension and banning which had the link EULA http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/eula.asp
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 11:40:00 - [15] Originally by: Lord Zoran the logs are a lie Like the cake in Portal :(
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 11:51:00 - [16] i will give any information requested by ccp to ccp .. The char name was Likescookies anything else you want ?? i will learn i will recover . just lets see how happy you are if you happen to get hit by a ccp hammer 0'ed wallet and temp ban is just as sufficent of punishment as what they have done to me why i cant get that i will never know it would not hurt ccp in any way or the player base ? people get temp bans for far less and worse mistakes i did one mistake and my wallet shows that ONE mistake no more i only traded with that character once . and that was 6 months ago but i know this is not going to happen as CCP have not given any reason as to why the punishment can not be shifted SO WHAT I DO WANT ccp to ammend the EULA so other people who trade with this trader dont get duped into the same fate as i and have to play this game not for fun but to be able to play this game to much to ask maybe ?
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 11:57:00 - [17] Edited by: Markousa on 14/05/2008 11:58:58 Originally by: Carl Stihl Our logs! They do nothing! oh, and here's my fitting: HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I haha i know some good fittings . and thanks for yours but as stated if something were to happen to that one raven eg i get lagged and popped by the rats which mind you is another more common " Oh sorry our logs dont show that you lagged therefore we dont give you your ship back "i then have NO SHIPS at all and no way to mission other than to borrow MORE money to replace that ship digging me deaper into the -
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 12:12:00 - [18] yes had 4 bill being the sum of it . yeah which iam doing to do also IF i could sell assets .. oh wait cant do that because you cant sell items . so what i will end up doing is giving it to a friend buy some other method that i have yet to work out get them to sell it and give me the money wait then i have to make sure this "friend" gives me the money back cause if i was to give the item to someone else they sell it and keep the isk . iam sure ccp wont say yeah here you go heres your isk it will be " sorry our logs dont show this " i have probally 2 bill left worth of assets but with no way to liquidate them my biggest gripe right at this momment
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 12:14:00 - [19] Originally by: Kvirie Edited by: Kvirie on 14/05/2008 12:12:16 Send a list of names of the buyer to CCP, if nothing else you can probably get some farmers banned if they aren't already. i have given name to ccp in my prior petition if i wasent sure id get this topic deleted i would post the entire petition and every post here .
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 12:16:00 - [20] Originally by: Furb Killer Afaik contract system should do it. (never tried it myself with negative isk). Nope you have to front the broker fee .
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 12:43:00 - [21] Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 14/05/2008 12:24:02 Originally by: Markousa Originally by: Tiger313 Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 14/05/2008 10:38:50 If the guy is your friend, you could ask him for the money back, or for buying you some GTC's back. After all, he is your friend right? Had that happened to a friend of mine, after not informing him properly, then I would indeed have done so. (Mind you, I'm not said friend of OP.) after you fly with someone for a few years you assume they are your friend . but as i found out people are inherintly cruel This might be a solution. 1. Name and Shame your friend (optional, but please do it otherwise people will accuse you) 2. Find Recipt for GTC code in email or ask the people you bought the GTC from to prove purchase 3. Send CCP the evidence you bought the GTC and they can, I assume, verrifiy that your 'friend' used the same code that you bought (hence recipt so they can trace the code). 4. Ask them nicely if they can pass the debt to your friend, since the time you sent him the code and the time he sent your the isk is pretty close together. Again, dunno if that works, but might be a solution to at least passing the debt back. Either way, if your friend screwed you over, name and shame him before he screws other people over. Otherwise people will think you made up this "friend" who cheated you out of GTC's (as you claim). Thank you Lord. i have told everything to ccp that i know about this situation . the players involved even email addresses and what not . i have a log of the conversation by emails . and i have all statements and information ready to send to ccp . iam waiting on an Email address to send the information to . i know that i can prolly send it to thier main address but if ccp is a big company then chances are it will go to the wrong department and get lost so iam waiting for an email address from someone who has dealt with my petition but iam still waiting on CCP to give me one Navigator ? they dont want the information or they would have asked for it as i keep stating i have the bank details and all the logs even the email the GTC's came in . i have told my friends name who got me onto the GTC buyer also but have not named him here as that would reveal the corp iam in and drag thier name through this mud . which other than one bad apple these guys are good guys .. and even said they would help me with some isk
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 13:00:00 - [22] Originally by: Jimmae Originally by: Markousa i know iam going to get this post closed and prolly banned as its what ccp like to do but iam going to do it anyway . this post is about a petition i believe has been unfinished first ill start at what i did I ignored the message on the login screen about RMT trading being illegal and bought 4bil isk. CCP caught me and now I made up a lame story to backup my rant. fail and if i did i wouldnt be asking for a ban instead of - isk . i want a ban instead because i play the game maybe 3 hours a day . when ive finished work . the time it would take me to earn 4 bil would equate to years of just ratting / mining / missioning which as stated if i were to loose a ship to rats due to lag or any other unforseen game thing eg empire ganking i would have no ships and no other means to make money . a - isk is not a punishment its an execution
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 13:13:00 - [23] Edited by: Markousa on 14/05/2008 13:15:23 Originally by: CCP Navigator It is never a bad thing to remind all players of this rule as often as possible you wouldn't have to REMIND if you put them where people read . i haven't known any other MMO to put punishable rules anywhere other than the EULA or terms of use which as people have stated is not there .
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 13:14:00 - [24] Edited by: Markousa on 14/05/2008 13:15:54 nice fixed :)
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 13:34:00 - [25] Originally by: Saladin The logs are used by CCP customer service when they exchange e-mails with users. I doubt they exist, but next time I am told that their logs don't verify my version of the events I will ask to examine them myself. Its become one of those "proof or stfu" issues for me as of late. yes but how can you prove something when you have no one to give proof to ? i have bank statements and emails etc posting them on here means anyone who reads them is no bound by any act precventing the information to be used in a harmful way .
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 14:06:00 - [26] Originally by: Lord WarATron Nobody will think any less of your corp. If you care for your corp you then you would have no hesitation in naming and shaming the culprit who scammed you out of GTC's that you say you bought with real money? Because if you do not, then others might get scammed as well, or suspect your story is untrue. The guy who scammed out out of the GTC's is not in my corp . the guy i have already named him a few posts up but again i will say it "likescookies" the guy in my corp is the "friend" who recommended me to Likescookies and said he was legit and safe to trade with . If likescookies asks you to trade codes with him i would highly recommend against it tho i suspect since he hasent logged in in the past few days he must be banned so i dont know who he is trading through now all
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 14:20:00 - [27] anything can be read anyway you like there is no specific reference to me in that sentance on post 1 . maybe i should have posted it as if i couldnt find it how could a new player ? Originally by: Lord WarATron "likescookies" does not exist.[/quote or perhaps maybe likecookies ? i just logged on to double check that
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 15:26:00 - [28] yup iam over it now i vented . CCP are not listening and i suppose i've given them no reason to listen . they have said what they have to or want to on this matter and like every other eve citizen i have to bend over and take it . i have done everything i possibly can all i can say is CCP's rule kinda reminds me of china . one punishment for all thier proof is they just have to suspect you and you get executed . all i can say is i HOPE ccp modify thier EULA from this otherwise soon we will see another post of similar from another person . and lets just say if any other kewl spaceship games come out like eve iam going to give them ago might even give Wow a go and no you cant have my stuff .
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 16:51:00 - [29] Originally by: Agent Li Originally by: Markousa yup iam over it now i vented . CCP are not listening and i suppose i've given them no reason to listen . they have said what they have to or want to on this matter and like every other eve citizen i have to bend over and take it . i have done everything i possibly can all i can say is CCP's rule kinda reminds me of china . one punishment for all thier proof is they just have to suspect you and you get executed . all i can say is i HOPE ccp modify thier EULA from this otherwise soon we will see another post of similar from another person . and lets just say if any other kewl spaceship games come out like eve iam going to give them ago might even give Wow a go and no you cant have my stuff . You admitted yourself that you did a non-secure GTC transaction. That's all the proof they need - and it's against the rules. Making a comment that implies somehow that they don't have proof at this point makes you look rather silly. what rules please point me in the direction of these rules that is not the forums ??? i dont know any other MMO that posts its tules on the forums ? which if you read the full post you would see me also stating ?
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 23:36:00 - [30] Originally by: Ki Tarra Edited by: Ki Tarra on 14/05/2008 18:16:41 Originally by: Norath84 What the OP is posting might look like a troll and maybe it is BUT, 1. The EULA does not tell you the read the forms 2. Lots of people don't read forums 3. All GTC rules are on the forums This makes what CCP Navigator posted irrelevant until this is fixed Not quite. The EULA is not specific in any way with regards to allowing GTC trades in any form, secure or insecure. If you only read the EULA, you would not know that any GTC trades were an option. Now how could someone find out about GTC trading: - The forums provide a sticky outlining the rules - The Account Services page provides a link to those rules. - The player is told about GTC trades from another player and can't be bothered to verify the information provided to them. There is only so much that CCP can do to combat stupidity. I really don't think that there is more that they can be requested to do. I was told about GTC trading by word of mouth . how to do it by word of mouth . i had not done it before i heard about it so i decided to check what i thought were the rules of the game the Term of use and EULA not seeing anything there i decided to proceed with a transaction and yes it was `$270 dollar trade because not knowing i was going to loose the money 4 bil was an amount i thought that was going to allow me to never rat again for a very long time . if i knew i was doing something wrong i would not have spent that amount of money . i like eve alot its a fun game , but making money is a grinding process people say yea play eve you dont need alot of time to play it because there is no skilling up like bore killing . as this may be true you still have to do the bore killing but just in a different method and not for skill but for money you have no isk you cant do much
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.15 11:53:00 - [31] Originally by: Firebyrd i notice OP doesnt say when exactly he made this trade, so it must have been after the official post yes the codes were bought and sold to likecookies on 29th of january 2008
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.15 11:55:00 - [32] Originally by: Tortun Nahme you knew enough about the internet to find a GTC seller ignorance is no excuse i was playing in game . talking on vent said man it sucks having no money a corp guy said contract likecookies he buys 90 day codes for 500 - 600 mill each i asked how to do it . the rest is in the forums ..
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.15 11:56:00 - [33] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 15/05/2008 11:26:10 It's very true that CCP's EULA and TOS is waaaaaay out of date. If CCP haven't been so damn lazy, and then updated the EULA & TOS, i would believe many of the problems and stuffs like this thing here in this topic will disapear. And i mean ALOT of those problems would disapear. So i understand what Markousa is trying to say or tell here. Originally by: Manic Smile OPs point is Valid...CCP is just lazy...they know about this already. 10mins of work... It takes more than 10 mins of work to fix the EULA & TOS when you think about how much outdated they are now. But some hours of work is still not much for them to fix it. maybe instead of adding new ships / regions probally fix the long bugs first maybe ?
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:00:00 - [34] Originally by: Hllaxiu Edited by: Hllaxiu on 15/05/2008 11:57:00 Originally by: Markousa Originally by: Firebyrd i notice OP doesnt say when exactly he made this trade, so it must have been after the official post yes the codes were bought and sold to likecookies on 29th of january 2008 Wait, you traded 600mil worth of material with a week old character? yep . cause he sent the isk first . then once i had the isk i sent the codes . and yeah i know iam going to get a blah blah you deserve it .
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:10:00 - [35] Originally by: Lord WarATron Have you sent CCP a copy of your recipt or GTC code so they can trace the main of that character and give you your GTC's back since he basically defrauded you out of GTC's? CCP dont want nothing to do with that ive assumed i have the reciepts right here in my email . they closed my petition and i have no email address to send them to . anyone got a few dev emails addys ? ive already spent ~ $270 usd on GTC's only way i can fix my account is by buying more .. why would ccp refund me those ? they are a business
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:20:00 - [36] Edited by: Markousa on 15/05/2008 12:20:43 Originally by: Hllaxiu Originally by: Markousa Originally by: Lord WarATron Have you sent CCP a copy of your recipt or GTC code so they can trace the main of that character and give you your GTC's back since he basically defrauded you out of GTC's? CCP dont want nothing to do with that ive assumed i have the reciepts right here in my email . they closed my petition and i have no email address to send them to . anyone got a few dev emails addys ? ive already spent ~ $270 usd on GTC's only way i can fix my account is by buying more .. why would ccp refund me those ? they are a business Take it up with your credit card company? Thanks iam investigating my avenues not that i have much of a choice . and the credit card company would only go for the guys i bought the codes off not ccp IF they did anything , as much i hate to say it CCP have total rule over thier game . if they dont want you to play you aint playing . waiting for some replys from consumer protection but probally come back with nothing which i spose since its thier game they have that right
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.15 13:08:00 - [37] Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 15/05/2008 13:05:34 Originally by: Markousa Originally by: Lord WarATron Have you sent CCP a copy of your recipt or GTC code so they can trace the main of that character and give you your GTC's back since he basically defrauded you out of GTC's? CCP dont want nothing to do with that ive assumed i have the reciepts right here in my email . they closed my petition and i have no email address to send them to . anyone got a few dev emails addys ? ive already spent ~ $270 usd on GTC's only way i can fix my account is by buying more .. why would ccp refund me those ? they are a business At the bottom of this page, there is a contact option. I have linked it for your convenience. http://www.ccpgames.com/company/contact.asp At the bottom you can see the eve-online e-mail adresses. Hope you get it sorted because I can understand that CCP cannot really do anything if you closed the pettition yourself and have not re-sent them the codes. I personaly would re-open a pettion, explaining nicely what happened and enclosing the codes in the pettition so they can trace the main of the guy who scammed you out of $270 and pass the debt to them, or to even give you your GTC's back. all codes were given to ccp in the original post . i will contact them by that email . and they closed the petition not i
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.15 23:46:00 - [38] Originally by: Ki Tarra Originally by: Markousa Originally by: Tortun Nahme you knew enough about the internet to find a GTC seller ignorance is no excuse i was playing in game . talking on vent said man it sucks having no money a corp guy said contract likecookies he buys 90 day codes for 500 - 600 mill each i asked how to do it . the rest is in the forums .. Have you asked your corp mate why he recommended that you deal with a doggy dealer, and didn't bother to warn you that you need to use the secure GTC trade method? I would be directing my anger at him, after all, he is the one who ultimately set you up with the scam artist who ripped you off. It sounds like this is really a matter of trusting your corp mates. Would it make you feel better if your corp mate had simply stolen the 4 billion ISK at the start instead of set you up to lose it latter on? yeh was talking to my corp mate that recommended him the other day he said he was really sorry he recommended him . and that he was safe because he did trades with him for a while and was reliable
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.16 00:03:00 - [39] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Markousa Originally by: Agent Li Originally by: Markousa yup iam over it now i vented . CCP are not listening and i suppose i've given them no reason to listen . they have said what they have to or want to on this matter and like every other eve citizen i have to bend over and take it . i have done everything i possibly can all i can say is CCP's rule kinda reminds me of china . one punishment for all thier proof is they just have to suspect you and you get executed . all i can say is i HOPE ccp modify thier EULA from this otherwise soon we will see another post of similar from another person . and lets just say if any other kewl spaceship games come out like eve iam going to give them ago might even give Wow a go and no you cant have my stuff . You admitted yourself that you did a non-secure GTC transaction. That's all the proof they need - and it's against the rules. Making a comment that implies somehow that they don't have proof at this point makes you look rather silly. what rules please point me in the direction of these rules that is not the forums ??? i dont know any other MMO that posts its tules on the forums ? which if you read the full post you would see me also stating ? I'm sure someone as well versed in the law as yourself is familiar with that fundamental Western principle: Ignorance of the Law is no excuse Bluntly, your answers have become increasingly evasive and less credible as this thread has progressed. It's hard not to conclude that there's more to this incident than you are revealing. You are sticking doggedly to your "but it wasn't specifically forbidden in the EULA" thing, but that's starting to look pretty thin. You did break the rules; it's up to you show why you should not be punished. And you're failing to persaude many people here on the forum. More evidence, less evasiveness. After all if you're going to quit then it doesn't matter what you reveal, right? i dont believe i have been evasive ? anything anyone has asked i have posted . BUT You are right Malcanis i have less and less to say on the matter than i have already said here ive said everything there is to say on this matter that i have . and sick or repeating myself over and over . i supose in capital letters i should have posted something along the lines of my main reason for this post is so CCP change thier EULA to prevent a situation like this happening again i never said i should not be punished for doing something wrong . well atleast i dont think i did ill re-read but I DID SOMETHING WRONG AND I SHOULD SUFFER BECAUSE OF IT . i was more so stating in the severity of the penelty over something is not in something that i think MOST people would see as the RULES ( TOS and EULA ) As some people MAY agree a - isk wallet is something that should not be a punishment as ok say someone gets - isk say whats a megathron sell for ? 80 mill they get 80 mill of dirty money and go into -80 mil isk because they bought a megathron with it. i believe that ON THIER OWN , they should still be able to trade and sell this item to rectify the mistake that was made that way the dirty isk is out of the game and the player is penalized the ship or whatever he bought . not have to resort in "dodgey" methods where the player could suffer being scammed again i will also agree that this post has been drawn out as you could understand how angry i would be , which can be accounted for some inacurracy's in my post . date etc when i posted the first post i came onto the forums half*****ed because CCP had just closed my petiton and i apologise to the EVE community also for my lack of grammar and spelling
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.16 00:06:00 - [40] Originally by: Nielas Originally by: Holi CCP should really fix their EULA and at least apologize to the OP in private mail. Why? The prohibition against buying ISK for money is right there in the EULA. Yes it is . not my situation but thanks for your time
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.16 00:08:00 - [41] Originally by: NeedMoarIsk Markousa. Your fault. Go away. You bought a timecode, sold it in a way CCP has stated SO MANY times they do not support. Now you're on the forums *****ing because you were punished in the same way that so many others before you were. No exceptions. Your story doesn't match CCP's logs, and I am personally inclined to believe CCP: a company that has provided an amazing game to those of us who don't break the friggen rules. Suck it up princess. Quit, grind ISK, buy ISK legally, or make a new account. said where ? i have not seen that SECURE time code trading is the only way to trade GTC's anywhere . except now on the forums ?

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