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Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:16:00 - [1] i know iam going to get this post closed and prolly banned as its what ccp like to do but iam going to do it anyway . this post is about a petition i believe has been unfinished first ill start at what i did Ok to start i was short on money and a friend said to me . Hey there is this guy who if you buy GTC's he will buy the 90 day off you for 500 - 600 mill isk each . so i thought great sounded to good to be true went to the EULA and had a read ok nothing that states it is illegal so i say fine no worries and go ahead with the trade it was unsecure ( ok now iam gunna get the THATS AGAINST THE RULES post ) if it is not in the EULA and is in a forum post in a VERY LARGE forum how can a new player expect to read that ? i read the EULA and it said nothing about non secure GTC trade . so this was probally about 6 months ago . now ccp reversed the transaction the otherday and put my wallet into - 4 bill meaning i cannot do nothing at all with this character it is now useless what you cant do with a - isk ballanced char * TRADE WITH OTHER CHARACTERS you cannot trade cause although you trade no money it says you need a 0 wallet * SELL ITEMS Need a broker fee to sell anything * MISSION if i loose a ship the character will then definatally be useless so to fix this i need to get another character OR buy thier game time codes and sell them on the forums which will cost me $400 now in my country i believe that to be as extortion i now know ive done something wrong and i requested ccp 0 my wallet and ban my account for a time they see fit . they said the money is due to isk sellers and there is no logs to verify my story i have the bank statement the paypal statemnet the email from the site i bought the gtc's hell i even have the codes still they have since then been used Sorry our logs dont show this so please CCP what do your logs show ? and sorry to the forum public as iam to enraged for grammar and spelling so i did what everyone does come to the forums
Segge Bolled Caldari Dirty Sexy Pilots	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:18:00 - [2] Edited by: Segge Bolled on 14/05/2008 10:19:50 Yes, CCP has logs. They're made out of birch!
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:18:00 - [3] You sold a guy a GTC at twice the normal price and didnt think that was odd? Sucks to be you. -----
MorbidPenguin Hard Corp	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:21:00 - [4] Someone is going to do it, so I'll be the first: My Raven was equipped with the following: HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:21:00 - [5] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain You sold a guy a GTC at twice the normal price and didnt think that was odd? Sucks to be you. Yes it does . and people do make mistakes and if you have never traded in GTC's or dealt with them before how are you meant to know what they sell for ? i heard about people doing it and i read the EULA so i thought it was a good idea
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:22:00 - [6] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 14/05/2008 10:22:55 Originally by: MorbidPenguin 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS ARE THEY TECH LEVEL 1 OR TECH LEVEL 2 OR ARE THEY NAMED OR ARE THEY FACTION OR ARE THEY OFFICER, ARE THERE ACTUALLY OFFICER EXTENDERS? Originally by: Markousa if you have never traded in GTC's or dealt with them before how are you meant to know what they sell for ? You take a look in the GTC selling forum? -----
Segge Bolled Caldari Dirty Sexy Pilots	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:24:00 - [7] I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY OFFICER SHIELD EXTENDERS BUT WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE.
sg3s Caldari O.W.N. Corp United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:24:00 - [8] There are no logs of you trading actualy timecards for ISK. Therefor they cannot confirm you received that money as a means of timecard trading... Ok they might be able to see the characters received timecards (becouse they got activated somewhere) but this is circomstancial and can be easily interpretated as something else. They need cold hard black on white logs that you traded x timecard for x isk. Thats why it is illigal. Also: it will only cost you about $250 if you are patient selling 90d gtc's, thats €100 if you pay in euros btw... ^_^
RaTTuS BIG	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:25:00 - [9] Edited by: RaTTuS on 14/05/2008 10:27:23 the log show that you have not used the secure system edit... also if it was one GTC then it would be 500-600mil as you said but you must of sold 8 to him , .. OK what did you send the 4bil on in the 1st place.. if you have the ship then leave it in space and get an alt to pick it up and sell it for the 4bil you spent on it ... -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve 5th Anniversary Lottery
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:25:00 - [10] Originally by: Markousa Hey there is this guy who if you buy GTC's he will buy the 90 day off you for 500 - 600 mill isk each Also, did you use the secure system to sell them? -----

CCP Navigator C C P	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:25:00 - [11] The rules for GTC sales are very clearly defined Here by Wrangler and Here by GM Nova. The Timecode Bazaar should be relatvely easy to find by any player who wishes to sell a GTC. Navigator Community Representative CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang Get your voice heard! Vote in the CSM election!

Helplessandlost Minmatar Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:26:00 - [12] If it's too good to be true, it is... To find out if it is wrong you can: Ask Read, the big forum stickies in the timecode bazarr Use common sense - you knew you were selling them for too much. In Memory of Deacon Hasp
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:26:00 - [13] Originally by: CCP Navigator The Timecode Bazaar should be relatvely easy to find by any player who wishes to sell a GTC. Which is relevant how? You didn't read the OP did you? -----
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:28:00 - [14] Yes, CCP do have logs. While in iceland for Eve-TV I managed to get a Photo of them. \o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF THE YEAR! \o/ >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<

CCP Navigator C C P	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:30:00 - [15] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: CCP Navigator The Timecode Bazaar should be relatvely easy to find by any player who wishes to sell a GTC. Which is relevant how? You didn't read the OP did you? Well the Timecode Bazaar rules by GM Nova clearly state: "It is time to update these rules for some clarifications. We only support secure ETC trades and NOT insecure ones. I suggest you do not send codes via evemails or any other insecure method if you intend to sell them. If for example you are selling timecodes to EULA violators via evemails, the ISK you receive from the EULA violators will be removed and you may be assumed to be involved in EULA violations as well. There is is no reason for anyone to trade in timecodes in any fashion other than by the secure GTC trading." It is never a bad thing to remind all players of this rule as often as possible Navigator Community Representative CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang Get your voice heard! Vote in the CSM election!

Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:31:00 - [16] Originally by: sg3s There are no logs of you trading actualy timecards for ISK. Therefor they cannot confirm you received that money as a means of timecard trading... Ok they might be able to see the characters received timecards (becouse they got activated somewhere) but this is circomstancial and can be easily interpretated as something else. They need cold hard black on white logs that you traded x timecard for x isk. Thats why it is illigal. Also: it will only cost you about $250 if you are patient selling 90d gtc's, thats Ç100 if you pay in euros btw... ^_^ yes i agree on a hard stance if they have no logs and no proof that that acctually happened but i recieved the isk . as mistake was done on my part . i spose the point iam trying to make is - 4 billioning someones wallet is indeed way to harsh for a onetime mistake . i have the bank statement and the codes if the codes were not activated by me then wouldnt that clarify loosly on my story ? ive been with my corp for 2 years in a big alliance ( yes this is an alt ) if the codes were giving to 7 different people in 7 different alliances surely they couldnt all be my alts and i used them ?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:32:00 - [17] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Markousa Hey there is this guy who if you buy GTC's he will buy the 90 day off you for 500 - 600 mill isk each Also, did you use the secure system to sell them? Nope, he mentioned he sold it directly. That's basically screaming RMT... of course he'd be willing to pay top ISK for that, GTC is as good as cash for a RMTer. And, apparently, his "acquaintance" was already marked as a known RMTer and CCP just waited a while to see who's doing bussiness with him (or he was discovered to be one from looking at the logs and banned immediately, after having all transactions reversed). But yeah, adding the stuff about secure GTC trades and the harsh policy on non-secure GTC trades to the EULA might be a good idea. __ CSM candidates - quick reference cards (NEW: spreadsheet) Or just vote for LaVista Vista or Leandro Salazar like I did.
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:36:00 - [18] Originally by: Akita T But yeah, adding the stuff about secure GTC trades and the harsh policy on non-secure GTC trades to the EULA might be a good idea. I agree completely and thanks navigator but to have something so harshly dealt with on something that is in a forum post on a very very large forum is harsh indeed as i stated i read the EULA and nothing being there continued with the trade
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:37:00 - [19] Originally by: Markousa i have the bank statement and the codes if the codes were not activated by me then wouldnt that clarify loosly on my story ? ive been with my corp for 2 years in a big alliance ( yes this is an alt ) if the codes were giving to 7 different people in 7 different alliances surely they couldnt all be my alts and i used them ? You might want to add to your petition the full, detailed list of the game codes you sold, that way at least they can be tracked (who used them, where did they buy them from, etc) to expose even more of the RMT chain... and who knows, maybe even get a chance to sell them for good this time, via the secure method (unlikely, and you'd be getting a lot less ISK anyway... but who knows). Still... for you to have a MINUS 4 bil wallet it would mean you managed to SPEND 4 bil of it already... what the heck ?!? __ CSM candidates - quick reference cards (NEW: spreadsheet) Or just vote for LaVista Vista or Leandro Salazar like I did.
Norath84 Shadows of the Dead R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:38:00 - [20] Edited by: Norath84 on 14/05/2008 10:40:13 What the OP is posting might look like a troll and maybe it is BUT, 1. The EULA does not tell you the read the forms 2. Lots of people don't read forums 3. All GTC rules are on the forums This makes what CCP Navigator posted irrelevant until this is fixed
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:39:00 - [21] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 14/05/2008 10:38:50 If the guy is your friend, you could ask him for the money back, or for buying you some GTC's back. After all, he is your friend right? -- Billion Isk Mission
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:41:00 - [22] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Markousa i have the bank statement and the codes if the codes were not activated by me then wouldnt that clarify loosly on my story ? ive been with my corp for 2 years in a big alliance ( yes this is an alt ) if the codes were giving to 7 different people in 7 different alliances surely they couldnt all be my alts and i used them ? You might want to add to your petition the full, detailed list of the game codes you sold, that way at least they can be tracked (who used them, where did they buy them from, etc) to expose even more of the RMT chain... and who knows, maybe even get a chance to sell them for good this time, via the secure method (unlikely, and you'd be getting a lot less ISK anyway... but who knows). Still... for you to have a MINUS 4 bil wallet it would mean you managed to SPEND 4 bil of it already... what the heck ?!? I have already done all this how much i sold the codes for the exact codes sold the date the codes were both bought of the website and sold to this char i have all the statements and can send them to ccp on request i did not post them on the petition as copy and pasting could denote that i can change them to suit me . so i have the original mails sitting in my email address
sg3s Caldari O.W.N. Corp United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:41:00 - [23] Originally by: Markousa Originally by: sg3s stuff yes i agree on a hard stance if they have no logs and no proof that that acctually happened but i recieved the isk . as mistake was done on my part . i spose the point iam trying to make is - 4 billioning someones wallet is indeed way to harsh for a onetime mistake . i have the bank statement and the codes if the codes were not activated by me then wouldnt that clarify loosly on my story ? ive been with my corp for 2 years in a big alliance ( yes this is an alt ) if the codes were giving to 7 different people in 7 different alliances surely they couldnt all be my alts and i used them ? CCP has nothing to do with your financial data. If you had used the legal system in place there would have been no problem, I know why rmt'ers don't want to use that btw, becouse they like to activate it on other characters without any link to them... The EULA clearly states it is not allowed to trade GTCs trough other means than the legal system. If you do violate that rule it is only normal that you get punished by atleast removing the isk. BTW if you are part of a mayor alliance and a good member of your corp, you should be able to make a loan of 4 bill... I didn't think that was considdered alot in these times
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:43:00 - [24] Originally by: Norath84 Edited by: Norath84 on 14/05/2008 10:40:13 What the OP is posting might look like a troll and maybe it is BUT, 1. The EULA does not tell you the read the forms 2. Lots of people don't read forums 3. All GTC rules are on the forums This makes what CCP Navigator posted irrelevant until this is fixed Thank you i agree Norath I have even stated in the petiton that i know now that i did something wrong and if the account could be 0'ed and banned for a time they feel i should be punished
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:44:00 - [25] Edited by: Andrue on 14/05/2008 10:45:32 On the plus side the OP has been given a chance to learn the number one rule of life: Originally by: Markousa so i thought great sounded to good to be true ..in which case it probably is. Memorise that now and it will serve you well for the rest of your life. There is a corollary to that. ..if you read it in advert it certainly is. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:44:00 - [26] Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 14/05/2008 10:38:50 If the guy is your friend, you could ask him for the money back, or for buying you some GTC's back. After all, he is your friend right? my "friend" said to bad the guy i sold the codes to offered to buy more
edtheshed Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:54:00 - [27] Originally by: Markousa Originally by: Norath84 Edited by: Norath84 on 14/05/2008 10:40:13 What the OP is posting might look like a troll and maybe it is BUT, 1. The EULA does not tell you the read the forms 2. Lots of people don't read forums 3. All GTC rules are on the forums This makes what CCP Navigator posted irrelevant until this is fixed Thank you i agree Norath I have even stated in the petiton that i know now that i did something wrong and if the account could be 0'ed and banned for a time they feel i should be punished no it is relevant, the only place allowed to sell gtc's is thru the eve-o website, to find out about this, is either through word of mouth or forums. if you know no different and you've been told to sell direct, you shouldn't be buying gtc's
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:55:00 - [28] Quote: the ISK you receive from the EULA violators will be removed and you may be assumed to be involved in EULA violations as well. There is is no reason for anyone to trade in timecodes in any fashion other than by the secure GTC trading." It is never a bad thing to remind all players of this rule as often as possible so he gets to still buy codes i dont get to play unless i give CCP a large amount of money so the same is done with market orders ? if someone buys your stuff through market orders then you also loose the isk ? i can verify those codes are mine but you {quote] assumed that was another word that was used ALOT in the petition so because you guys have a hunch that something is wrong you punish people sounds like American's stance on terrorism " they got em "
Tiger313 313th Squadron	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:58:00 - [29] Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 14/05/2008 10:38:50 If the guy is your friend, you could ask him for the money back, or for buying you some GTC's back. After all, he is your friend right? Had that happened to a friend of mine, after not informing him properly, then I would indeed have done so. (Mind you, I'm not said friend of OP.)
Plave Okice Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:59:00 - [30] Of course CCP have server logs, they use them to study all reimbursement claims, here they are; 13.05.08 11.00 Server Shut Down 13.05.08 11.50 Server Start Up 13.05.08 12.00 Server Start Up Ok 14.05.08 11.00 Server Shut Down 14.05.08 11.50 Server Start Up 14.05.08 12.00 Server Start Up Ok Would you like to know more?

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