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Markousa
Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics
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Posted - 2008.05.14 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kvirie Edited by: Kvirie on 14/05/2008 12:12:16 Send a list of names of the buyer to CCP, if nothing else you can probably get some farmers banned if they aren't already.
i have given name to ccp in my prior petition if i wasent sure id get this topic deleted i would post the entire petition and every post here .
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Siddy
Minmatar Art of War Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.14 12:14:00 -
[62]
Unfortunatly, our logs show nothing abaut the logs you refer in here, so in other words logs didint show that logs that dont show abaut logs, actualy show anything at all. Ofcorse that culd mean that logs that logs logs that show what is logged didint show anything too.
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Markousa
Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics
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Posted - 2008.05.14 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer Afaik contract system should do it. (never tried it myself with negative isk).
Nope you have to front the broker fee .
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.14 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Markousa yeah which iam doing to do also IF i could sell assets .. oh wait cant do that because you cant sell items . so what i will end up doing is giving it to a friend buy some other method that i have yet to work out get them to sell it and give me the money
The only ways to transfer stuff to people when your balance is below 0 is trough the corp hangar or by undocking, ejecting it and having the other guy scoop it.
Trading, contract and the market require you to have a positive balance to them. -----
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.14 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Markousa yes had 4 bill being the sum of it .
yeah which iam doing to do also IF i could sell assets .. oh wait cant do that because you cant sell items . so what i will end up doing is giving it to a friend buy some other method that i have yet to work out get them to sell it and give me the money
wait then i have to make sure this "friend" gives me the money back cause if i was to give the item to someone else they sell it and keep the isk . iam sure ccp wont say yeah here you go heres your isk it will be " sorry our logs dont show this "
i have probally 2 bill left worth of assets but with no way to liquidate them my biggest gripe right at this momment
Have your friend open a direct trade window Put items in the trade window wait till ISK appears Accept trade
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caladron prime
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.05.14 12:18:00 -
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The EULA represents the agreement put in place between the subscriber and CCP. The forums are not any type of binding agreement, not is reading them and/or posting to them required by said EULA.
You ARE NOT REQUIRED to read the forums and acknowledge that you have read them prior to installation, configuration, or authentication. They are therefore NOT MANDATORY.
That there are derivative clauses and rules to which a user must adhere in the forums is misleading.
I would not presume innocence on the part of the OP based solely on the forum posting, but this raises a legitimate 'loophole', if you will, that I think gives the OP grounds on which to stand with regards to this issue.
Originally by: CCP Navigator
That long?
I would have nerfed it before it was created
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.14 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 14/05/2008 12:24:02
Originally by: Markousa
Originally by: Tiger313
Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 14/05/2008 10:38:50 If the guy is your friend, you could ask him for the money back, or for buying you some GTC's back. After all, he is your friend right?
Had that happened to a friend of mine, after not informing him properly, then I would indeed have done so. (Mind you, I'm not said friend of OP.)
after you fly with someone for a few years you assume they are your friend . but as i found out people are inherintly cruel
This might be a solution.
1. Name and Shame your friend (optional, but please do it otherwise people will accuse you) 2. Find Recipt for GTC code in email or ask the people you bought the GTC from to prove purchase 3. Send CCP the evidence you bought the GTC and they can, I assume, verrifiy that your 'friend' used the same code that you bought (hence recipt so they can trace the code). 4. Ask them nicely if they can pass the debt to your friend, since the time you sent him the code and the time he sent your the isk is pretty close together.
Again, dunno if that works, but might be a solution to at least passing the debt back.
Either way, if your friend screwed you over, name and shame him before he screws other people over. Otherwise people will think you made up this "friend" who cheated you out of GTC's (as you claim).
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Kappas.
Galaxy Punks Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.14 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: caladron prime The EULA represents the agreement put in place between the subscriber and CCP. The forums are not any type of binding agreement, not is reading them and/or posting to them required by said EULA.
You ARE NOT REQUIRED to read the forums and acknowledge that you have read them prior to installation, configuration, or authentication. They are therefore NOT MANDATORY.
That there are derivative clauses and rules to which a user must adhere in the forums is misleading.
I would not presume innocence on the part of the OP based solely on the forum posting, but this raises a legitimate 'loophole', if you will, that I think gives the OP grounds on which to stand with regards to this issue.
Still, correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the EULA basically say "we can do anything we want at any time to your account/characters"?
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caladron prime
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.05.14 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kappas.
Still, correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the EULA basically say "we can do anything we want at any time to your account/characters"?
I would agree to that-my point was merely that there would be no way for a user to know that this type of GTC activity was forbidden solely by the EULA, and therefore, would be infringing upon rules that were not agreed to as part of the act of subscription and authenticating.
Indeed, CCP can do whatever they please in this manner, and I would tend to lean toward the more restrictive and aggressive approach to ISK sellers and macro-bots. I do feel, however, that the EULA needs to be updated to reflect the entire body of rules to which CCP hold a player, so that there is no ambiguity.
Originally by: CCP Navigator
That long?
I would have nerfed it before it was created
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Hllaxiu
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.05.14 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kappas.
Originally by: caladron prime The EULA represents the agreement put in place between the subscriber and CCP. The forums are not any type of binding agreement, not is reading them and/or posting to them required by said EULA.
You ARE NOT REQUIRED to read the forums and acknowledge that you have read them prior to installation, configuration, or authentication. They are therefore NOT MANDATORY.
That there are derivative clauses and rules to which a user must adhere in the forums is misleading.
I would not presume innocence on the part of the OP based solely on the forum posting, but this raises a legitimate 'loophole', if you will, that I think gives the OP grounds on which to stand with regards to this issue.
Still, correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the EULA basically say "we can do anything we want at any time to your account/characters"?
Yes, thats why they're allowed to do it. Its more of a fairness issue. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.14 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: caladron prime You ARE NOT REQUIRED to read the forums and acknowledge that you have read them prior to installation, configuration, or authentication. They are therefore NOT MANDATORY.
The EULA does not cover everything, it only covers some basic agreement you made with CCP. (Which means absolutely nothing in the real world) Pretty much every gameplay related rule is found within the knowledge base instead and while its not mandatory for you to know them, CCP will punish for breaking them. -----
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caladron prime
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.05.14 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
The EULA does not cover everything, it only covers some basic agreement you made with CCP. (Which means absolutely nothing in the real world) Pretty much every gameplay related rule is found within the knowledge base instead and while its not mandatory for you to know them, CCP will punish for breaking them.
I think that this only reinforces the point.
Also, don't misunderstand-I have no problem with CCP's actions here. It is better to be tougher than weaker. A stronger EULA would give less 'wiggle room' and less room for doubt in these cases.
Originally by: CCP Navigator
That long?
I would have nerfed it before it was created
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Markousa
Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics
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Posted - 2008.05.14 12:43:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 14/05/2008 12:24:02
Originally by: Markousa
Originally by: Tiger313
Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 14/05/2008 10:38:50 If the guy is your friend, you could ask him for the money back, or for buying you some GTC's back. After all, he is your friend right?
Had that happened to a friend of mine, after not informing him properly, then I would indeed have done so. (Mind you, I'm not said friend of OP.)
after you fly with someone for a few years you assume they are your friend . but as i found out people are inherintly cruel
This might be a solution.
1. Name and Shame your friend (optional, but please do it otherwise people will accuse you) 2. Find Recipt for GTC code in email or ask the people you bought the GTC from to prove purchase 3. Send CCP the evidence you bought the GTC and they can, I assume, verrifiy that your 'friend' used the same code that you bought (hence recipt so they can trace the code). 4. Ask them nicely if they can pass the debt to your friend, since the time you sent him the code and the time he sent your the isk is pretty close together.
Again, dunno if that works, but might be a solution to at least passing the debt back.
Either way, if your friend screwed you over, name and shame him before he screws other people over. Otherwise people will think you made up this "friend" who cheated you out of GTC's (as you claim).
Thank you Lord. i have told everything to ccp that i know about this situation . the players involved even email addresses and what not . i have a log of the conversation by emails .
and i have all statements and information ready to send to ccp . iam waiting on an Email address to send the information to . i know that i can prolly send it to thier main address but if ccp is a big company then chances are it will go to the wrong department and get lost so iam waiting for an email address from someone who has dealt with my petition but iam still waiting on CCP to give me one Navigator ?
they dont want the information or they would have asked for it as i keep stating i have the bank details and all the logs even the email the GTC's came in .
i have told my friends name who got me onto the GTC buyer also but have not named him here as that would reveal the corp iam in and drag thier name through this mud . which other than one bad apple these guys are good guys .. and even said they would help me with some isk
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.14 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: caladron prime A stronger EULA would give less 'wiggle room' and less room for doubt in these cases.
There is no room for wiggling or doubt, the OP broke the rules by his own fault, CCP action, the end -----
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Jimmae
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Posted - 2008.05.14 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Markousa i know iam going to get this post closed and prolly banned as its what ccp like to do but iam going to do it anyway .
this post is about a petition i believe has been unfinished first ill start at what i did
I ignored the message on the login screen about RMT trading being illegal and bought 4bil isk. CCP caught me and now I made up a lame story to backup my rant.
fail
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Hllaxiu
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.05.14 12:47:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 14/05/2008 12:39:26
Originally by: caladron prime You ARE NOT REQUIRED to read the forums and acknowledge that you have read them prior to installation, configuration, or authentication. They are therefore NOT MANDATORY.
The EULA does not cover everything, it only covers some basic agreement you made with CCP. (Which means absolutely nothing in the real world) Pretty much every gameplay related rule is found within the knowledge base instead and while its not mandatory for you to know them, CCP will punish for breaking them.
Why isn't this rule in the "Suspension and Ban Policy" section under "Illegal Transfer of Game Items". This is an illegal transfer of game items, and it is not unreasonable to assume after reading that section that a transfer will not be made illegally in this case as GTC trading is explicitly allowed in the EULA, but no mechanism is required in that document. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
RaTTuS
BIG
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Posted - 2008.05.14 12:49:00 -
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you have 2 other characters that can sell | trade stuff .. use them - no need from friends [ha!]
-- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve 5th Anniversary Lottery
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Markousa
Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics
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Posted - 2008.05.14 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jimmae
Originally by: Markousa i know iam going to get this post closed and prolly banned as its what ccp like to do but iam going to do it anyway .
this post is about a petition i believe has been unfinished first ill start at what i did
I ignored the message on the login screen about RMT trading being illegal and bought 4bil isk. CCP caught me and now I made up a lame story to backup my rant.
fail
and if i did i wouldnt be asking for a ban instead of - isk . i want a ban instead because i play the game maybe 3 hours a day . when ive finished work . the time it would take me to earn 4 bil would equate to years of just ratting / mining / missioning
which as stated if i were to loose a ship to rats due to lag or any other unforseen game thing eg empire ganking i would have no ships and no other means to make money . a - isk is not a punishment its an execution
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Segge Bolled
Caldari Dirty Sexy Pilots
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Posted - 2008.05.14 13:07:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Verone
Yes, CCP do have logs.
While in iceland for Eve-TV I managed to get a Photo of them.
1) Interesting, can you confirm/deny their birch content, however?
2) How long have you been waiting to use that photo?
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Markousa
Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics
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Posted - 2008.05.14 13:13:00 -
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Edited by: Markousa on 14/05/2008 13:15:23
Originally by: CCP Navigator It is never a bad thing to remind all players of this rule as often as possible
you wouldn't have to REMIND if you put them where people read . i haven't known any other MMO to put punishable rules anywhere other than the EULA or terms of use which as people have stated is not there .
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Markousa
Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics
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Posted - 2008.05.14 13:14:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Markousa on 14/05/2008 13:15:54 nice fixed :)
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Adaris
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Posted - 2008.05.14 13:21:00 -
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ExcellciuM
Caldari The New Order. SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.14 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Miyamoto Shigesuke OFF Please, don't encourage bad fittings on the forums: Originally by: MorbidPenguin My Raven was equipped with the following: ... MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER
LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I
- ECM is worth nothing now on a non-dedicated ship - Don't use active and passive shield tanking at the same time - Don't use shield and armor tanking at the same time Tips: - Use the low slots for Power Diagnostics/Shield Power Relays and Ballistic controls - Use rigs that make your tank better (Cap or Shield recharge rigs) /OFF
JOKE >
YOU >
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Saladin
Minmatar Eternity INC.
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Posted - 2008.05.14 13:29:00 -
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The logs are used by CCP customer service when they exchange e-mails with users. I doubt they exist, but next time I am told that their logs don't verify my version of the events I will ask to examine them myself. Its become one of those "proof or stfu" issues for me as of late.
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Markousa
Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics
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Posted - 2008.05.14 13:34:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Saladin The logs are used by CCP customer service when they exchange e-mails with users. I doubt they exist, but next time I am told that their logs don't verify my version of the events I will ask to examine them myself. Its become one of those "proof or stfu" issues for me as of late.
yes but how can you prove something when you have no one to give proof to ? i have bank statements and emails etc posting them on here means anyone who reads them is no bound by any act precventing the information to be used in a harmful way .
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.14 13:51:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Markousa
Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 14/05/2008 12:24:02
Originally by: Markousa
Originally by: Tiger313
Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 14/05/2008 10:38:50 If the guy is your friend, you could ask him for the money back, or for buying you some GTC's back. After all, he is your friend right?
Had that happened to a friend of mine, after not informing him properly, then I would indeed have done so. (Mind you, I'm not said friend of OP.)
after you fly with someone for a few years you assume they are your friend . but as i found out people are inherintly cruel
This might be a solution.
1. Name and Shame your friend (optional, but please do it otherwise people will accuse you) 2. Find Recipt for GTC code in email or ask the people you bought the GTC from to prove purchase 3. Send CCP the evidence you bought the GTC and they can, I assume, verrifiy that your 'friend' used the same code that you bought (hence recipt so they can trace the code). 4. Ask them nicely if they can pass the debt to your friend, since the time you sent him the code and the time he sent your the isk is pretty close together.
Again, dunno if that works, but might be a solution to at least passing the debt back.
Either way, if your friend screwed you over, name and shame him before he screws other people over. Otherwise people will think you made up this "friend" who cheated you out of GTC's (as you claim).
Thank you Lord. i have told everything to ccp that i know about this situation . the players involved even email addresses and what not . i have a log of the conversation by emails .
and i have all statements and information ready to send to ccp . iam waiting on an Email address to send the information to . i know that i can prolly send it to thier main address but if ccp is a big company then chances are it will go to the wrong department and get lost so iam waiting for an email address from someone who has dealt with my petition but iam still waiting on CCP to give me one Navigator ?
they dont want the information or they would have asked for it as i keep stating i have the bank details and all the logs even the email the GTC's came in .
i have told my friends name who got me onto the GTC buyer also but have not named him here as that would reveal the corp iam in and drag thier name through this mud . which other than one bad apple these guys are good guys .. and even said they would help me with some isk
Nobody will think any less of your corp. If you care for your corp you then you would have no hesitation in naming and shaming the culprit who scammed you out of GTC's that you say you bought with real money? Because if you do not, then others might get scammed as well, or suspect your story is untrue.
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Markousa
Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics
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Posted - 2008.05.14 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron
Nobody will think any less of your corp. If you care for your corp you then you would have no hesitation in naming and shaming the culprit who scammed you out of GTC's that you say you bought with real money? Because if you do not, then others might get scammed as well, or suspect your story is untrue.
The guy who scammed out out of the GTC's is not in my corp . the guy i have already named him a few posts up but again i will say it "likescookies" the guy in my corp is the "friend" who recommended me to Likescookies and said he was legit and safe to trade with .
If likescookies asks you to trade codes with him i would highly recommend against it tho i suspect since he hasent logged in in the past few days he must be banned so i dont know who he is trading through now all
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.05.14 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Markousa [post 1] if it is not in the EULA and is in a forum post in a VERY LARGE forum how can a new player expect to read that ?
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[post 16] ive been with my corp for 2 years in a big alliance ( yes this is an alt ) if the codes were giving to 7 different people in 7 different alliances surely they couldnt all be my alts and i used them ?
So you are a new player or you have played for 2 years?
And after 2 years you have no idea that GTC sales outside the secure method was prohibited some time ago?
And no idea of the current price of GTC and didn't checked it before selling?
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.14 14:15:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 14/05/2008 14:16:01
Originally by: Markousa
Originally by: Lord WarATron
Nobody will think any less of your corp. If you care for your corp you then you would have no hesitation in naming and shaming the culprit who scammed you out of GTC's that you say you bought with real money? Because if you do not, then others might get scammed as well, or suspect your story is untrue.
The guy who scammed out out of the GTC's is not in my corp . the guy i have already named him a few posts up but again i will say it "likescookies" the guy in my corp is the "friend" who recommended me to Likescookies and said he was legit and safe to trade with .
If likescookies asks you to trade codes with him i would highly recommend against it tho i suspect since he hasent logged in in the past few days he must be banned so i dont know who he is trading through now all
"likescookies" does not exist. Might have been deleted or not who knows. Either way, Speak with CCP to trace who used the code you got scammed out of.
But he must be on test server since test server has a mirror from a while back and you mention that he last logged in a few days ago.
"likescookies" does not exist on test server either.
Of course, one can assume that this is made up. But people should always give benifit of the doubt so assuming that you are true that you got scammed, I can say only this with my sherlock hat on. Perhaps your Friend made up an alt called "likescookies" and scammed you then deleted the alt. That is the only logical conclusion of why your friend would reccomend a scam alt for you to give your GTC's to. --
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Hllaxiu
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.05.14 14:19:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 14/05/2008 14:17:09
Originally by: Markousa
Originally by: Lord WarATron
Nobody will think any less of your corp. If you care for your corp you then you would have no hesitation in naming and shaming the culprit who scammed you out of GTC's that you say you bought with real money? Because if you do not, then others might get scammed as well, or suspect your story is untrue.
The guy who scammed out out of the GTC's is not in my corp . the guy i have already named him a few posts up but again i will say it "likescookies" the guy in my corp is the "friend" who recommended me to Likescookies and said he was legit and safe to trade with .
If likescookies asks you to trade codes with him i would highly recommend against it tho i suspect since he hasent logged in in the past few days he must be banned so i dont know who he is trading through now all
"likescookies" does not exist. Might have been deleted or not who knows. Either way, Speak with CCP to trace who used the code you got scammed out of.
But he must be on test server since test server has a mirror from a while back and you mention that he last logged in a few days ago. Even if you delete a char today, he will still be on test server.
"likescookies" does not exist on test server either.
Of course, one can assume that this is made up. But people should always give benifit of the doubt so assuming that you are true that you got scammed, I can say only this with my sherlock hat on. Perhaps your Friend made up an alt called "likescookies" and scammed you then deleted the alt. That is the only logical conclusion of why your friend would reccomend a scam alt for you to give your GTC's to.
Maybe he means "likecookies" a member of state war academy for 3 months, 24 days? --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
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