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Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.05.15 03:46:00 - [1] Its time to celebrate!!!!! For five years the corporate interface has been a steaming pile of garbage. The kind of garbage that comes out of a chineese kitchen without a garbage disposal and in a hot summer sun with an insect problem. As a birthday gift I sentence CCP to unlock 465 bluepints which is the task that I am doing now. Those CCP people that have promised to fix the corp UI over the years get to unlock 500 blueprints in 4 stations and investigate which corporate member stole an item from a corp hangar (oh wait .. there is no UI to do that). But then I fear Im just peeing in the wind as there are enough CEOs and directors to ratchet up the issue to attract attention. We just dont have enough people to get sufficient GWL (General Whine Level).
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.15 03:49:00 - [2] Allow me: Rabble Rabble Rabble. I have never used the interface, but I've heard horror stories about it. -Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved.
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.05.15 03:50:00 - [3] Normally a lot of the *****/whine anti-CCP Crap is false - however I can't disagree on this one. It has always been a buggy annoying thing, even after 5 years it still needs a lot of work - despite what improvements were made. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu, the
Winterblink Body Count Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.15 04:06:00 - [4] Anyone who's ever had to do anything with the corporation interfaces wouldn't disagree with this. :) warp drive active \| nature vraie
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.05.15 04:40:00 - [5] Originally by: Winterblink Anyone who's ever had to do anything with the corporation interfaces wouldn't disagree with this. :) Definitely. Only 350 or so to go.
Daan Sai HAZCON Inc	Posted - 2008.05.15 05:11:00 - [6] Its bad if you know what you are doing, but if you are inexperienced, the corp interface is really hard to just figure out. eg: My CEO gave up and just gave me master wallet access (w00t!) so I could put a bpo in POS a lab for ME research. Now we know each other personally and were we each live IRL so worst comes to worst.. but this is madenning at times. I've thought of starting a small corp, but put it in the too hard bin.
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.05.15 05:17:00 - [7] Originally by: Winterblink Anyone who's ever had to do anything with the corporation interfaces wouldn't disagree with this. :) Ditto....
Mr Friendly	Posted - 2008.05.15 05:25:00 - [8] Rells, I actually agree with you. I see no posts from you in game dev nor in feature development though. Post again there and a dev might care... just sayin' Originally by: CCP Prism X Also, posting in a Jenny thread.
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.05.15 05:32:00 - [9] Originally by: Mr Friendly Rells, I actually agree with you. I see no posts from you in game dev nor in feature development though. Post again there and a dev might care... just sayin' Its been posted for 5 years. Im one of thep osters. There has been a corp UI wishlist around for years. CCP doest care. Every now and then they do lip service but they dont really care enough to do anything about it.
Lubomir Penev interimo	Posted - 2008.05.15 09:21:00 - [10] Originally by: Mr Friendly Rells, I actually agree with you. I see no posts from you in game dev nor in feature development though. Post again there and a dev might care... just sayin' I got a bad new. Sit down. Santa doesn't really exist. -- Heat, easy to burn your mods by mistake, hard to get it to work when you need it the most. Well designed interface CCP!
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.05.15 09:25:00 - [11] Leave alone the whole shares system being bugged to hell. Want to create shares? Put up the vote and hope it doesn't bug and show 0% voting having taken place "OUR LOGS SHOWS NO THING!"
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.05.15 09:26:00 - [12] Normally, I'd tend to flame the OP of such statements... ...but on this particular issue, I agree with the OP 100%. The corp interface... everything from voting, sanctionable actions, layout and functionality, rights and (lack of) explanation of said rights... EVERYTHING in the corp interface is a steaming pile of horse manure. __ CSM candidates - quick reference cards (NEW: spreadsheet) Or just vote for LaVista Vista or Leandro Salazar like I did.
Cadiz Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2008.05.15 09:28:00 - [13] The corp interface is indeed somewhere between "unpleasant to deal with" and "downright nightmarish". ------ CEO, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence."
thisiswrong	Posted - 2008.05.15 09:34:00 - [14] Yap-yap. Can I have your stuff before you go back to wow?
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.05.15 09:50:00 - [15] Running an almost 100 man corporation, I can safely say that the corp interface can be a nightmare to work with at times. Still it just takes patience and a bit of common sense to get what you need done. \o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF THE YEAR! \o/ >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.05.15 09:54:00 - [16] Originally by: Verone Still it just takes patience and a bit of common sense to get what you need done. That's exactly the feeling I get when I think of mining. ... ... I hate mining. __ CSM candidates - quick reference cards (NEW: spreadsheet) Or just vote for LaVista Vista or Leandro Salazar like I did.
fuze InfoMorph Services Ltd	Posted - 2008.05.15 10:35:00 - [17] Guess they'll fix this right after they fixed the lag issues. But srsly CCP should consider moving to the US if they wanna hire more devs.
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.05.15 10:37:00 - [18] Originally by: fuze But srsly CCP should consider moving to the US if they wanna hire more devs. No, for 1000000001 reasons I won't even bother going into. \o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF THE YEAR! \o/ >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
RaTTuS BIG	Posted - 2008.05.15 10:48:00 - [19] /me feels for you Rells... and when you have to do it all again because of failed votes and missed confirms , and then don't get me started on the locking problemss -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve 5th Anniversary Lottery
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.15 11:06:00 - [20] Originally by: Cadiz The corp interface is indeed somewhere between "unpleasant to deal with" and "downright nightmarish". I don't hold up much hope of improvement though. Look at how they implement the overview tabs and bracketing. Maybe it's an Icelandic thing -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Ivanna Logoffski	Posted - 2008.05.15 11:14:00 - [21] Originally by: Rells investigate which corporate member stole an item from a corp hangar Since that corp member must have been given access to said corp hangar in order to be able to take items from it, how can it be theft? By giving a corp member access to a corp hangar you grant him the right to take and use whatever he find in there. Don't give people rights unless you trust them not to abuse it. Problem solved. And also, why would CCP even want to investigate it or to help you investigate it? It's not against the EULA to use things you have been granted access to...
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2008.05.15 11:21:00 - [22] /signed. Originally by: Rachel Vend ... with 100% reliability in most cases ...
Stein Voorhees Caldari Ghost in the Machine Tygris Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.15 11:31:00 - [23] Signed 100%. Please improve it!!!
Kvirie Caldari Children of the Wind	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:08:00 - [24] Edited by: Kvirie on 15/05/2008 12:10:05 Originally by: Rells and investigate which corporate member stole an item from a corp hangar (oh wait .. there is no UI to do that). That sounds like an entirely different subject, and you could use the station containers that log everything going in and out. I think those can be locked down in a corp hangar (I have mine in personal hangars to sort stuff for production). Haven't made much use of the corp interface yet though so can't comment on it.
fuze InfoMorph Services Ltd	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:22:00 - [25] Originally by: Verone Originally by: fuze But srsly CCP should consider moving to the US if they wanna hire more devs. No, for 1000000001 reasons I won't even bother going into. Indulge me. I don't check the CCP job applications on a regular basis but the UI devs have been up there for a long time. Guess if they want to get those people on board they should at least train advanced recruitment.
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.05.15 16:02:00 - [26] Edited by: Rells on 15/05/2008 16:04:08 Originally by: RaTTuS /me feels for you Rells... and when you have to do it all again because of failed votes and missed confirms , and then don't get me started on the locking problemss Been there. Done that. We had 600 BPOs that were frozen. No Sanctionable actions would work. Through petitions it took us 3 MONTHS and tons of anger to get them unlocked. And just wait til your old sanctionable actions fills up and you click on it by accident and it freezes your entire UI for 30 minutes. Originally by: Kvirie Edited by: Kvirie on 15/05/2008 12:10:05 Originally by: Rells and investigate which corporate member stole an item from a corp hangar (oh wait .. there is no UI to do that). That sounds like an entirely different subject, and you could use the station containers that log everything going in and out. I think those can be locked down in a corp hangar (I have mine in personal hangars to sort stuff for production). Haven't made much use of the corp interface yet though so can't comment on it. This becomes a big issues when you have multiple builders that you need to know what they are drawing on in the materials hangar. Right now you either have to give them full, unrestricted, unloggable access or none at all. This isnt fair for builders in a corp because the CEO would have to be totally psychotic to grant that access to all potential builders. You cant set quotas or anything else.
Khwalik Ghetto Kings	Posted - 2008.05.15 17:08:00 - [27] i must say i'm thankful i run small oneman band/alt operation atm or i'd loose my mind running a large corp.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.15 17:27:00 - [28] Originally by: Rells Its time to celebrate!!!!! For five years the corporate interface has been a steaming pile of garbage. The kind of garbage that comes out of a kitchen without a garbage disposal and in a hot summer sun with an insect problem. As a birthday gift I sentence CCP to unlock 465 bluepints which is the task that I am doing now. Those CCP people that have promised to fix the corp UI over the years get to unlock 500 blueprints in 4 stations and investigate which corporate member stole an item from a corp hangar (oh wait .. there is no UI to do that). But then I fear Im just peeing in the wind as there are enough CEOs and directors to ratchet up the issue to attract attention. We just dont have enough people to get sufficient GWL (General Whine Level). I agree. the corp interface is horrible, and the sheer amount of pointless work it causes was the single biggest reason I wound up my corp. The corp interface needs re-working from scratch tbh. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2008.05.15 17:36:00 - [29] Not only has the corp interface been garbage for my entire eve career; they broke the ability to use audit containers in a such a way that giving someone access to the contents in the can automatically gives them access to take the can. And that was broken at least a year ago now. Absolute rubbish. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.05.15 17:48:00 - [30] hurray ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Guvante GALAXIAN	Posted - 2008.05.15 17:57:00 - [31] Originally by: Kale Kold Holy Hell, the corp interface is dire! And when i say dire i mean the so called designers should be shot. It is horrible! period! there is nothing even remotely nice to say about it! Have you used the corporate interface? Do you realize the flexibility and power it gives you? Sure it is a pain to use and buggy at times, but it definatly does a decent job of providing options. Not to say it doesn't need improvement, given there are only 7 hangars availible, you either have to give each produce the ability to steal billions in mats, or only build when a director is on. I don't know about anyone else but neither of those sounds like a good solution Additionally as others have said, what is up with no logging ability at all in hangars? There is the ability with Audit Log containers, but then again, even that is restrive (You can't actually log withdrawls, just unlocks, and having to lock and unlock every item in frequently used stations sucks) A nice check box and log window without logging that just logs every transaction for a month or so would pwn.
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.05.19 06:08:00 - [32] Originally by: Pwett Not only has the corp interface been garbage for my entire eve career; they broke the ability to use audit containers in a such a way that giving someone access to the contents in the can automatically gives them access to take the can. And that was broken at least a year ago now. Absolute rubbish. Not to mention the old concept of giving people take access to a hangar but not view access which allowed them to build for corp safely. Was a nice workaround. Broken since revelations. Broken "on purpose".
Caligulus Legion of Lost Souls Ivy League	Posted - 2008.05.19 07:51:00 - [33] Originally by: Rells Originally by: Pwett Not only has the corp interface been garbage for my entire eve career; they broke the ability to use audit containers in a such a way that giving someone access to the contents in the can automatically gives them access to take the can. And that was broken at least a year ago now. Absolute rubbish. Not to mention the old concept of giving people take access to a hangar but not view access which allowed them to build for corp safely. Was a nice workaround. Broken since revelations. Broken "on purpose". On that same topic, paying for corp jobs was simple. If it was in the corp hanger and you had manufacturing roles the cash would come out of the corp wallet to cover the installation fees without giving the member explicit take access to a wallet division. Who's ***** dumb idea was that? ------------------------------------------------- You're out of your mind! ** Well that's between me and my mind.
Jurgen Cartis Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.05.19 08:37:00 - [34] Look on the bright side: it means you never have to worry about mutiny, no one in their right mind would intentionally take the CEO job if they have any experience at the director level. But seriously, the all-or-nothing permissions (why do I have to give accountant jobs to people to let them pick up deliveries?!?) and general tendency to make things difficult is not fun. Not to mention the documentation. While they're at it they can work on the S&I interface too. . . -------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.05.19 09:25:00 - [35] Seconded. The BPO lockdown mechanism is poorly documented and buggy. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Ruah Piskonit Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.19 11:06:00 - [36] I miss old escrow? but ya, the corp interface is bad. . .but I have mastered it through blinf faith that its working. . .somewhere on the interweb. ----
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.05.19 15:01:00 - [37] I briefly though about banding all my alts into a corp over a year ago but after experimenting with the interface on a disposible alt I decided that pen 'n paper were superior. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Joe Starbreaker	Posted - 2008.05.19 15:19:00 - [38] Originally by: Zeba pen 'n paper were superior /me cries because it's true. The corp interface needs to be fixed. Action items: 1) allow us to create as many corp hangars as we need 2) allow us to fix station containers in a hangar so they can't be stolen, but can be accessed 3) allow us to make corp blueprints available for use by members to run personal jobs. that is they would use their own money and materials, and wouldn't have to be given the 'factory manager' role, access to corp materials, and wallet access. 4) make locking/unlocking blueprints easier. at the moment it takes at least a dozen clicks per blueprint (closer to 20 clicks i think) and half the time it fails due to a voting bug anyway. 5) fix shares, and enable share trading 6) document, document, document! ---------------- [insert signature here]

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