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Wren Alterana Minmatar The Baros Syndicate Kissaki Republic	Posted - 2008.05.15 20:00:00 - [1] Facts: Admiral Noir was a supporter of peaceful Caldari-Gallente relations A general alarm was sounded before the supercarrier hit, even before it began its approach The audio transmission was uncovered after the crash Tibus Heth has been actively trying to break down relations with the Gallente The most active speaker against Heth was Otro Gariushi, CEO of the Ishukone Corporation Gariushi, and many pro-gallente figures as well as a number of gallente politicians were aboard the station This paints an interesting picture. We have to seriously consider the fact that the Nyx was not being piloted by Admiral Noir, we don't even know he was aboard the ship. We need to consider the possibility that the attack was staged by Heth using a stolen Nyx. It would play right into his hands, not only would it implicate the Gallente in a horrible crime but it would take out Gariushi, his biggest threat. I urge you my fellow capsulers, don't assume the worst yet. _________ Dynamic Maps
MirrorGod Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.05.15 20:04:00 - [2] Let's break out the conspiracy theories and all the 5/15 numerical symbolic references, double-time people. Recruitment: [ANTI]
Liliann	Posted - 2008.05.15 20:09:00 - [3] Edited by: Liliann on 15/05/2008 20:09:30 (( damnit, stop forgetting my default char all the time, stupid forum system ))
Fox Vulcan Gallente LYF Naval Academy	Posted - 2008.05.15 20:09:00 - [4] Fact over falisy. Find the truth before you draw your battleplans. Such pleas for peace which was so close will be ignored. There are too many who wish now for blood, on both sides. Fools. Idiots inumberable. Those who would make war, prepare for war, and those who would have peace will be consumed by the flame... Im starting to sound like a religious type, and damnit all if this isnt an unholy mess... **************************** "For Honour and Glory."
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.05.15 20:10:00 - [5] While that theory immediately came to my mind, too, it seems quite unlikely to me that Heth would have gone against Ishukone in that manner, too. I believe Noir was possibly framed, but if so, not by Heth. Elsebeth -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Jayden13	Posted - 2008.05.15 20:12:00 - [6] Conspiracies, looks like fun. What if it was Rouge Drones, crudely slipping into the ships electronic systems and activiting a course into the station. Wouldn't the Rouge Drones as a whole benefit more from causing us to fight each-other rather than fighting all empires on thier own? As we destroy each other the drones will use our salvaged ships, stations and assets to create more of their own. Quick, everyone panic.
Elisa Coreli Gallente Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2008.05.15 20:28:00 - [7] Originally by: Jayden13 What if it was Rouge Drones, crudely slipping into the ships electronic systems and activiting a course into the station. I believe the rouge drones are too busy putting makeup on to worry about crashing motherships. --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Remus Navillum LEGION OF DEATHADDERS	Posted - 2008.05.15 20:55:00 - [8] Edited by: Remus Navillum on 15/05/2008 20:58:04 I too have difficulty swallowing the prospect of an admiral within the Federation Navy -- a highly accomplished officer with a track record of trying to promote peaceful relations between the Gallente and Caldari -- could secretly be harboring such mad, seething hatred that he would commit a suicidal atrocity such as this, knowing full well that it could be the catalyst for a war. Heth, though it seems unlikely that he was somehow able to take control of the navigation systems of a ship that is supposedly invulnerable to all forms of electronic warfare, remains a suspect as far as I'm concerned. It seems far too convenient that Heth's greatest wish should come true on the eve of this supposedly historical conference. [Edit] Call me a tinfoil-hat-wearing, babbling, delusional nitwit, but it dawned on me that we shouldn't rule out the potential influence of Sansha-produced implants in Admiral Noir's sudden snap. After all, didn't Naqam just recently start manufacturing within Gallente space?
Saloris Nighthawke Ryche's Aggressors Asylum	Posted - 2008.05.15 21:01:00 - [9] A consipracy theory put forth by a Matari? /ponder - sig was here
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.05.15 22:16:00 - [10] I would also be unsurprised if this was the work of Heth. For the first time in three years, I actually feel sympathy towards Ishukone. Ghost Festival is recruiting.
Savage Roar Minmatar	Posted - 2008.05.16 02:14:00 - [11] Originally by: Wren Alterana We need to consider the possibility that the attack was staged by Heth using a stolen Nyx. While I do not claim to know much about the workings of the Federation Navy, this raises a few questions. 1. How exactly does one steal a NYX?? An iconic flagship trumped only by an Erebus itself. 1a. Was it Admiral Noir's Nyx stolen or another one? 2. Assuming the Nyx was successfully commandeered. How did it ever manage to get within range of the station at Malk V - Moon 1? As for conspiracy theorists, ponder this: Why did the station's automated defences not activate a stasis webifier on the Nyx in question? I can understand that standard turrets would perhaps be ineffective against such a powerful ship, but at least the web might have decelerated it enough to decrease damage... odd indeed...
Eventy One Magellan Exploration and Survey Phoenix Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.16 02:38:00 - [12] Originally by: Remus Navillum [Edit] Call me a tinfoil-hat-wearing, babbling, delusional nitwit, but it dawned on me that we shouldn't rule out the potential influence of Sansha-produced implants in Admiral Noir's sudden snap. After all, didn't Naqam just recently start manufacturing within Gallente space? And what of the Enheduanni? We know they could have activated the good Admiral as a sleeper agent. Regardless of the truth of the matter, the Gallente and their corrupt society has long goaded the Caldari State for successfully evacuating Caldari Prime. Perhaps it is time to teach them a lesson.
Ereka Nihil Crux Offensive Systems	Posted - 2008.05.16 03:05:00 - [13] I still have a feeling this may have been a clonejack of the admiral. Another possibility that should be considered is Serpentis influence, as they have stolen super-capital class vessels before, even a Titan.
Emilly Marelor Caldari Federal European Industry Science and Research	Posted - 2008.05.16 03:07:00 - [14] What surprises me in all this is the lack of reaction of the Gallente Federation. One could say that it is either genuine or acted shock and disbelief at what one so respected among them did. But what I cannot figure out is the lack of following miliatry offensive. If that was a planed and deliberate action of the Federation as some point out, why do'nt they attack? The obvious thing after such a blow would be to deploy numerous fleets and commence with the war. Unless the did not know about what was about to happen in Malkalen. This leaves us with three solutions: 1) Admiral Noir was acting on his own or within some separatist movement against the Gallente Federation political stance, 2) the Gallente Federation for reasons unknown postpones the attack or waits for Caldari State to retaliate, 3) someone else is to blame. What will be crucial to figuring this out is the examination of the site and what remains of the Wandering Saint. Looking at the extent of damage and the chaos following the attack I doubt any evidence found there should be treated as valid beyond a great deal of doubt.
Wren Alterana Minmatar The Baros Syndicate Kissaki Republic	Posted - 2008.05.16 03:39:00 - [15] just wait, in a few days Heth will come on hooting and hollering for blood and the death to all Gallente. _________ Dynamic Maps
Stekanis Darkstar Minmatar SMCD	Posted - 2008.05.16 04:37:00 - [16] Originally by: Wren Alterana just wait, in a few days Heth will come on hooting and hollering for blood and the death to all Gallente. Of course he will. Not to support any theories out there - we still don't know enough to say the truth of the matter. This was the excuse he was looking for. After all, it's simply necessary to look at the situation to understand just how much of this is to his "benefit." In one fell swoop, two major obstacles have been removed from his path: 1) Otro Gariushi is currently out of the picture (alive or dead I don't know). 2) The Gallente man who did so much to patch the breach between the State and the Federation is the cause of the disaster, or so it seems. So Heth will take center stage, and whip the Caldari into a frenzy. The Gallente, horrified as they are, will be slow to respond to aggression by Caldari. Peace has, it seems, gone out the window now. Blood will be spilled in the name of this event. Only years later, when factions have beaten each other to exhaustion, will peace come again. It will be then when the truth can come out. Even so, it will be ignored by both sides, in all likelihood, because there will be horrific truths in both sides. I fear for the galaxy.
Neoptolomeus Caldari Aquila Victrix THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2008.05.16 05:19:00 - [17] My biggest concern about the event that followed today is that somehow, i fear for our childrens, for the future may be the most agressive as it could be. About the event itself, i have the following to declare: "Although my heart demands gallante blood splitted on the floor, justice, an deshonarable death to the ploters of this events, it is crucial, that at this time of pre-war, we should remain calm and patient. We cannot, and i repeat, we cannot for any reason make the use of actions according to gossip." Although the name of Tibus Heth has been used to call guilty, a traitor to the caldari state, i undoubetly believe that Tibus Heth would use to sacrifice so many caldari citizen¦s to have a war made with the gallente. But a question does ponder in my head. If it wasent Admiral Noir that did this, so where is he to declare a statement about this? If it wasent him the one to this this outrageous disaster, who could have done such trechary? If Admiral Noir didn¦t rammed his own mothership class vessel on Ishukone HQ¦s, then where is he? One thing is for sure. Rest assure that tomorrow can be the very last day of peace. Peace as we know it may cease to exist, and with it, the hope for a better future. May history mark this day, this event as the outbreak of things to come. Tomorrow, when i undock from my station, and see the sun, somehow, it ll just feel like a black sun has raised in the horizon of the future. A doomed sun, that will sprint death and destruction on its gaze. Whoever started this, may the beholder have mercy on its soul, for justice and death will be nothing compared to what he desearves. He, or them, surely dont know what they did. May our childrens forgive us for the actions that we are so sure that to happen. They, undoubtly, will feel the most of what these events will suceed into. May mercy, love and hope still beats their hearts. As for us, redemption for our future actions is all we can hope. Hope....as if we have any left. Best Regards, Fly Safe, GodSpeed or Happy Hunting, Neoptolomeus
Wren Alterana Minmatar The Baros Syndicate Kissaki Republic	Posted - 2008.05.16 05:30:00 - [18] he was probably clonejacked, his clone was stolen and another's mind was downloaded into his body. As for where the real Noir ended up, he could be held hostage in a generic clone body, he could ave lost a lot of memories, he could be dead. _________ Dynamic Maps
Neoptolomeus Caldari Aquila Victrix THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2008.05.16 05:35:00 - [19] If that is so, how did that came to happen? Explain to me HOW did a Admiral, veteran of the caldari-gallente war, ended up dead or hosteage? If such thing had happened, there would be such information. Plus, if it wasen¦t Admiral Noir, or the Gallente Federation that did this, why is the Gallente Federation so quiet? Why have they made no statement about what happened? Not even a "....it wasen¦t us." [as more stupid as it could sound] Im my opinion, thats a lot of conspiracy. Conspiracy that will surely have no meaning. Dosent matter if we are looking for it or not, war is upon us. Best Regards, Fly Safe, GodSpeed or Happy Hunting, Neoptolomeus
Furb Killer The Peacekeeper Core	Posted - 2008.05.16 08:21:00 - [20] The federation doesnt have anything to gain by starting a war. Our people are happy, economy is doing great and we are united. Meanwhile the caldari, and especially heth, got a lot to win by war. It is generally known war is usefull for uniting people, and right now caldari arent exactly united. With this attack he took down his greatest opponent, he got many more caldari behind him and the caldari wont care for their sucky economy and workers being threated as slaves for a while.
Hooch Flux Caldari	Posted - 2008.05.16 09:04:00 - [21] Since we all seem to have our tinfoil hats on I just thought I would add this; consider it food for thought! Heth is not the major player here, he is the pawn. We know he has some "backer" with some serious resourses. I personally want to know who or what that is. I think the answer lies along that track! I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit... Only way to be sure!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.16 09:17:00 - [22] It was inevitable that half-baked conspiracy theories regarding the Malkalen atrocity would appear before too long. However, let's consider what actually happened. A Federation Navy mothership, commanded by a Federation Navy Admiral and escorted by other Federation Navy warships rams a station. I think that it's clear who has some questions to answer. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Eleana Tomelac Gallente Through the Looking Glass	Posted - 2008.05.16 09:34:00 - [23] Originally by: Savage Roar 1. How exactly does one steal a NYX?? An iconic flagship trumped only by an Erebus itself. 1a. Was it Admiral Noir's Nyx stolen or another one? 2. Assuming the Nyx was successfully commandeered. How did it ever manage to get within range of the station at Malk V - Moon 1? 1/ Capital ship stealing happened before. Serpentis stole a carrier (Can't recall if it was a Thanatos or Nyx) once and jumped it out of its gallente base to PFP-GU. Capsuleers took care of this matter and destroyed the stolen ship. 1a/ If someone has been preparing this for enough time, he could have replaced the admiral by a clone for some time already and stopped playing the admiral usual behaviour when there was an opportunity. So, it could have been the admiral's Nyx. 2/ The Nyx, just as the other supercarriers and the titans are so huge that usual countermesures can't affect them. Stasis webifiers are inefficient. They would have needed to shoot it down before it hit the station, but nothing can shoot this kind of ship so fast, the station's turrets may have fire or not, there was no way to destroy it and avoid all this. I guess the full firepower of the Gallente escort and Caldari security teams wouldn't have been enough eve to get through the ship's shields before it hits the station. And missed shots would have damaged even more the station. They did all they could : try to evacuate. The Nyx didn't use much of its destructive power, I guess the replacement pilot was not trained enough to command such ship. So he could only set course to crash it and made no use of weapons against the station to open a breach in the hull and crash it inside for maximal damage. This leads me to think that it couldn't be the admiral Noir in command at that time, but someone else, a clone. If admiral Noir had prepared such a plan, the station wouldn't be in so 'good shape' right now, the damage would have been even higher. -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! Assault Frigates MK II
Janth Felan Amarr Error 4O4	Posted - 2008.05.16 09:37:00 - [24] your right, even it it was a set up, which it obviously wasn't, it is the federations fault for not paying attention or overseeing what was going on in possibly the most importnat peace talks since the ned of the war. They are to blame and lets see how well they cope when the caldari react. also to my disbelief how come the federation have not even replied to this devastation, no rally crys for them to help, they just up and left, but it does not suprise me nothing they do ever does
Kis Kecheri	Posted - 2008.05.16 09:38:00 - [25] Naturally anyone who is looking to benefit either directly or indirectly through a Gallente-Caldari War would bet on the fact that warmongers and simple minded people would look for the most direct scapegoats to turn their pitchforks on. The pre-written 'message', the dramatic televised ship-to-station ramming, all of it smells of a ploy by an outside force pulling the strings.
Emilly Marelor Caldari Federal European Industry Science and Research	Posted - 2008.05.16 10:13:00 - [26] Originally by: Eleana Tomelac The Nyx didn't use much of its destructive power, I guess the replacement pilot was not trained enough to command such ship. So he could only set course to crash it and made no use of weapons against the station to open a breach in the hull and crash it inside for maximal damage. Do we know whtether the Wandering Saint was armed at all? It's mission was a diplomatic one - a show that Caldari trust Gallente enough to allow their super-cap into their space. I would be very surprised if they allowed a fully armed super-cap though. The role of the Nyx was to look nice and that was it. The lack of weaponary systems on board is further reinforced by the fact that the Caldari did not bring any of their caps and super-caps to provide screening for armed escort. The way I see it the Nyx was not armed at all, thus posed no threat as seen by the hosts of the summit. We would have to wait for official statement by the Caldari Navy and/or Ishukone watch.
Hooch Flux Caldari	Posted - 2008.05.16 10:14:00 - [27] Originally by: Kis Kecheri Naturally anyone who is looking to benefit either directly or indirectly through a Gallente-Caldari War would bet on the fact that warmongers and simple minded people would look for the most direct scapegoats to turn their pitchforks on. The pre-written 'message', the dramatic televised ship-to-station ramming, all of it smells of a ploy by an outside force pulling the strings. Heth also makes a good "Patsy" if anything goes wrong with the aganda and they decide to break off! It's doubtful whether he even knows about the plan, he seems pretty genuine to me which suggests that whomever is behind this is playing on his feelings/beliefs! I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit... Only way to be sure!
Janth Felan Amarr Error 4O4	Posted - 2008.05.16 10:34:00 - [28] The nyx was unarmed, what boosters are you on, nyx is a supercapital ship, only a few in existance, its one of the most destructive vessels that can be commanded. why waste all the effort and time to move it if was not armed. The only thing they could do to trump that would be to throw a erebus on top and doomsday the station and ships around it. Stop trinyg ot shift the blame, the filthy godless federation are to blame and I hope the caldari show there true might, which i am sure they will. Tibius Heath might be a mad man, but he is someone who will do good for the caldari in these dark times, he may be a war monger but hes going to pe military and politicaly more adapt and solving this mess than anyone else. And to those who think its a coverup, why no word from the federation council, why no aid support, if it was a individual attack, then renownce it and lend some aid instead of doing well whatever your doing.
Atreides Horza Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.05.16 10:54:00 - [29] It's a hoax! All of it!!! If you look at the picture I linked, you'll see with your own eyes that it's all just a carefully constructed event for the government-pleasing media. Did the station blow up? It sure did! But from the footage available, it's easy to see that it's a controlled explosion coming from the INSIDE and OUT. Why? Because the caldari government has been secretly persecuting anyone who doesn't believe in passive shield tanking and mission running! Because the caldari government will stop at NOTHING before we all fly phat tank-no gank drakes and ravens with cloaks on! I call upon all caldari pilots and fellow fedophiles who prefer the sleek, slender, curve-shaped and slightly phallic gallente designs to the grey, post-modernistic, dead-tech, militant style of the caldari government! Expose the caldari government! Expose the lies! Fight for your freedom!!! To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; and where they make a wilderness, they call it peace. - Tacitus
Bartholomeus Crane	Posted - 2008.05.16 11:22:00 - [30] Those Intaki that beat the drum of war should heed their call. For if the Malkalen incident leads to war, Intaki will have to fight Intaki yet again. The prowess of the Legion is well known, but is none the less of those who fight for the forces of freedom and liberty for all. And war will only mean that the pacification of Placid and the liberation of the Intaki homeworld will be put off once again. I owe everything to the Federation, my education, my fortune, and not least the opportunities given to me as a pod-pilot. For this, the Federation owes my allegiance, and I will stand by her for good or for worse. Because even with all its faults, it will always remain my home in exile. As for the Malkalen incident, it is impossible for me to believe that the Federation, and it's foremost peace advocate Admiral Noir, can have committed this crime. A thorough investigation will show this to be true. It is only those that stand in the way of this investigation that will sound the trumpet of war. It is only then that the true perpetrators of this heinous act will show their face. And it is then, with heavy heart, that this Intaki will join the banner of freedom, liberty, and equal rights. And it is then that Intaki will show the galaxy that you don't need to be a mercenary or join a Legion to make a stand. -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

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