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RaWBLooD	Posted - 2008.05.18 03:42:00 - [1] I am a trader first. I am always looking around the market for bigger and better chances than what I am doing. I see a lot of chances I can take right now and so I want to get more capital to get the best out of everything. So I am getting a dutch auction going for a 8 billion isk loan. I will pay interest every two months. The interest rate would start at 16% and then you get to bid an amount of shares with the interest you want going lower in the process. I plan to keep this loan out for at least a year but I may honour individual withdrawals if due time is given of up two weeks in advance. I will only pay interest on entire months so for those knowing they might make withdrawals I suggest letting me know early. The risks for you include me running away with the isk or getting hit by a bus that both result in you seeing no returns. I would say that running away with isk would be pointless because I don't really spend isk on anything that doesn't make more isk. It is up to you to decide if this is worth your risk. If you have any questions please ask them in this thread and not in eve. I am not offering security. I will not divulge my trading methods. I will not post my api. I am not asking anyone I have done business with to vouch for me. This is a loan to me and my reputation not to someone that might vouch for me. I will have this thread open up to 8 days. I may choose to end it earlier and then counting from the last posts I will add up 8 billion and the highest rate is what everyone gets. I reserve the right to call off the auction. Don't send isk until the auction is over. miners-you can: switch, rob, wardec, nerf, scam them, buy below market, pirate them on their way to sell. mining < trading, ratting, manufacturing from market bought minerals,they still wont go away
Kwint Sommer Caldari Lothian Quay Industries	Posted - 2008.05.18 04:34:00 - [2] I see you had a previous public offering in which Ricdic appears to have bought all of the shares. I would appreciate him posting to confirm that things went well. Pending a positive response from Ricdic, I'll get you started at 16% for all 8B. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.05.18 18:53:00 - [3] I'll take 1bn isk at 15.9999%, or whatever the minimum bid decrement is supposed to be. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.05.18 18:55:00 - [4] Are you in family with rawcola? That would maybe increase trust!
RaWBLooD	Posted - 2008.05.19 01:01:00 - [5] In case anyone is unfamiliar with this type of auction , you can look here. The major differences are that you are bidding to give my the loan and that there are no shares or bonds to distribute. The minimum bid increment should be half a percent. If It wasn't clear the 16% interest is for two months because thats how often I will make payments. Yes I did make a thread asking for isk before and I don't know if Ricdic has time to reply. I don't know rawcola or anyone that spells their name like mine. Don't hesitate to post something even if you aren't bidding. miners-you can: switch, rob, wardec, nerf, scam them, buy below market, pirate them on their way to sell. mining < trading, ratting, manufacturing from market bought minerals,they still wont go away
Roguehalo Caldari RH Ship Brokers	Posted - 2008.05.19 01:09:00 - [6] "If you have any questions please ask them in this thread and not in eve. I am not offering security. I will not divulge my trading methods. I will not post my api. I am not asking anyone I have done business with to vouch for me. This is a loan to me and my reputation not to someone that might vouch for me" I don't know you and your attitude suggests you can get your investment from people who DO know you and therefore you could care less about what people who DON'T know you think. So guess I'm gonna pass on this
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans	Posted - 2008.05.19 02:16:00 - [7] Yep the OP has had previous investments and I have bought into or bought out most of them. He hasn't released any of this size before but I think I have dealt with him unsecured around the 1b mark. He has always made repayments on time and of the correct amounts. I didn't post it earlier as his post said he didn't want people to say anything about his previous business practices.
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans	Posted - 2008.05.19 02:16:00 - [8] To get the ball rolling I will put down 6b at 15%
RaWBLooD	Posted - 2008.05.19 02:24:00 - [9] Originally by: Roguehalo I don't know you and your attitude suggests you can get your investment from people who DO know you and therefore you could care less about what people who DON'T know you think. So guess I'm gonna pass on this There isn't much to think about here except if you trust me and the lowest rate you can handle. Originally by: EBANK Ricdic I didn't post it earlier as his post said he didn't want people to say anything about his previous business practices. Some feedback is a must if I want to be considered for my reputation but I don't expect or require anyone to post. miners-you can: switch, rob, wardec, nerf, scam them, buy below market, pirate them on their way to sell. mining < trading, ratting, manufacturing from market bought minerals,they still wont go away
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.05.19 09:21:00 - [10] Bid revision: 2bn @ 15% My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2008.05.19 10:02:00 - [11] Originally by: EBANK Ricdic [...]I didn't post it earlier as his post said he didn't want people to say anything about his previous business practices. this, so i will not go into detail, either. suffice to say i've dealt with rawcola in the 5 bil'ish area for count a little over nine months. the termination of our agreement had nothing to do with him - i've lost faith in the secondary market and/or MD and (re)started to put the stuff to work on my own. that's also why i'm not going to participate this time. that and i've been spoiled by last year's interest rates ^^ - putting the gist back into logistics
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2008.05.19 22:36:00 - [12] uhm... was it something i said...? - putting the gist back into logistics
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans	Posted - 2008.05.20 01:44:00 - [13] Originally by: Roemy Schneider uhm... was it something i said...? Yeh you kinda cleared this room out Roemy. Oh well, higher interests for me and Kaz
Amarr Citizen 155 Alternative Methods Research Group	Posted - 2008.05.20 03:38:00 - [14] Originally by: RaWBLooD Originally by: EBANK Ricdic I didn't post it earlier as his post said he didn't want people to say anything about his previous business practices. Some feedback is a must if I want to be considered for my reputation but I don't expect or require anyone to post. Ok, time to chime in. You want us to invest based only on your reputaton and you aren't willing to provide any other information BUT you don't care if those indiiduals who can speak on your behalf post here or not. I'm confused. Maybe you or someone else can clear this up for me. An investment based ONLY on your reputation, but you don't care if anyone comes forward to confirm or deny your reputation. So really you only want people to invest that have worked with or invested in you in the past?? ---------------------------------------------- Why do it the hard way when you can do it the AMARR way.
Kwint Sommer Caldari Lothian Quay Industries	Posted - 2008.05.20 04:33:00 - [15] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Originally by: RaWBLooD Originally by: EBANK Ricdic I didn't post it earlier as his post said he didn't want people to say anything about his previous business practices. Some feedback is a must if I want to be considered for my reputation but I don't expect or require anyone to post. Ok, time to chime in. You want us to invest based only on your reputaton and you aren't willing to provide any other information BUT you don't care if those indiiduals who can speak on your behalf post here or not. I'm confused. Maybe you or someone else can clear this up for me. An investment based ONLY on your reputation, but you don't care if anyone comes forward to confirm or deny your reputation. So really you only want people to invest that have worked with or invested in you in the past?? I think what he meant was, "I'm trading on my own name here. I have friends that are respected but I don't want them to vouch for me because then I'd be trading on their name." However, he still needs and wants people whom he has done business with to confirm his reputation. Personally, I respect this. It might cost him a point or two now but he'll be beholden to no one. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
Meg Powers	Posted - 2008.05.20 09:36:00 - [16] Well it look slike the 8b required has gone to ric, kwint et al. Rawl: Any more isk required or is this opportunity now closed? I show 16%, 15.5% and a 15% interest rate gone atm, this correct?
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans	Posted - 2008.05.20 10:19:00 - [17] Edited by: EBANK Ricdic on 20/05/2008 10:19:28 It's a dutch auction so you can bid at any percent you like. IE you could bid 8b @ 14% and that would mean you would be beating both Kazuo and me
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.05.20 10:21:00 - [18] I'd like to revise my bid to 15.5%, since no-one else seems to be interested. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
MilowFV Echo Heavy Industries	Posted - 2008.05.20 11:27:00 - [19] I like to bid 200 million @ 15 percent.
flakeys Manu Armata	Posted - 2008.05.20 13:56:00 - [20] 1 Billion at 14.5 % please
Kwint Sommer Caldari Lothian Quay Industries	Posted - 2008.05.20 19:09:00 - [21] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro I'd like to revise my bid to 15.5%, since no-one else seems to be interested. Nothing personal, but that's really poor form. At least you did it several days before th close of that auction but a bid is still considered binding and that's a really crappy reason to change it. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.05.20 21:46:00 - [22] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 20/05/2008 21:46:36 It was a request, nothing more. It's up to the OP to decide on what's binding and what's not, and I'd have understood perfectly well if he'd decided not to accept the retraction. Anyway, since I've been outbid (or is that underbid?), my new offer is 1bn at 14.5% My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
flakeys Manu Armata	Posted - 2008.05.21 09:15:00 - [23] Originally by: Kwint Sommer Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro I'd like to revise my bid to 15.5%, since no-one else seems to be interested. Nothing personal, but that's really poor form. At least you did it several days before th close of that auction but a bid is still considered binding and that's a really crappy reason to change it. As long as it ain't closed i'd say he can change it at any time and the OP can make his own choice.He took a risk and in this case got me coming in and profiting from his change.He took a risk by changing his original bid.I do not see anything wrong with that tbh.Happens a lot in here that people bid 2 bille for example and change it before the end to only 1 bille or completely retract their offer.
Demtalin le'Mercennaire The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.21 14:15:00 - [24] I'm kind of confused what the current situation is. Is it 6bil @ 15% 1bil @ 15% 1bil @ 14.5% ???? If so can I put in 100mil @ 14.5% Note: I'm not fully sure how dutch auctions work, sorry if I got it wrong. -------- Billy Jean is not my lover
flakeys Manu Armata	Posted - 2008.05.21 14:42:00 - [25] Edited by: flakeys on 21/05/2008 14:46:01 To say it simple your bidding down instead of up.So at the end of the auction he will take the 8 bille of the people who bid the lowest percentage. SO for example the lowest is 1bille at 14% then 3bille at 14.5% then 4bille at 15% Keep in mind that the ones who for example posted the 15% first will get it first. SO if you and i both bid 2.5 bille at 15% but i was the first to make this bid then i will get my cut in first then what's left is your cut.Since there was only 4 bille left and 2.5 + 2.5 is still 5bille.So you could invest 1.5bille instead of 2 as your original bid was. Anyone correct me if i am wrong though but this is how i see it. So it's 1 bille at 14.5% 200 mille at 15% by MilowFV 6 bille at 15% for ricdic 1.8bille at 15% is left for me See my 2 bille bid only has 1.8 left since milowfv and ricdic posted that bid sooner
RaWBLooD	Posted - 2008.05.23 02:58:00 - [26] Quote: Ok, time to chime in. You want us to invest based only on your reputaton Yes. Quote: So really you only want people to invest that have worked with or invested in you in the past?? No. I posted here to give everyone an opportunity. Originally by: Meg Powers Well it look slike the 8b required has gone to ric, kwint et al. Rawl: Any more isk required or is this opportunity now closed? I show 16%, 15.5% and a 15% interest rate gone atm, this correct? The dutch auction system works so that you can bid at 1% and that assures you will get a peace of the pie while you will probably be getting much more than 1%. You can bid at the same rates and you should probably bid lower to make sure you get in. Thanks to everyone who has placed a bid. Small bids are welcome and have better chances than in a traditional offering because of the nature of this auction. Again, I would like to refer everyone to wikipedia for a good explanation of how it works in detail. In short it allows you to get some of the offering by placing a low interest bid and then get paid a far higher interest. miners-you can: switch, rob, wardec, nerf, scam them, buy below market, pirate them on their way to sell. mining < trading, ratting, manufacturing from market bought minerals,they still wont go away
Lo Lightshard Insurrection Inc	Posted - 2008.05.23 04:18:00 - [27] 500M @ 14% Cheers, [IMA6E REMOVED]
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.05.23 07:49:00 - [28] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 23/05/2008 07:49:47 Bid summary (including my own latest bid as of this post): Kwint Sommer: 8bn @ 16% EBANK Ricdic: 6bn @ 15% Kazuo Ishiguro: 1bn @ 14% Flakeys: 1bn @ 15% Demtalin: 100m @ 14.5% Lo Lightshard: 500m @ 14% My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Calgorac The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.23 09:26:00 - [29] Ive delt with rawblood before thru one of my other mains "Sixta" for a loan of under 500m . The loan terms were fairly steep and he repaid ontime and fully. that said I have liquidity problems so cant invest... For Buy back option Contact "James Omerand" ingame.24 billion under Management
Roguehalo RH Ship Brokers	Posted - 2008.05.23 09:42:00 - [30] hmm I've reconsidered and I bid 1b @14.9%
Dranakolys Theurgy	Posted - 2008.05.23 10:27:00 - [31] 500m @ 14.5% _______________ Amused to Death
Havok Pierce D00M.	Posted - 2008.05.23 15:46:00 - [32] 300m @ 14% Originally by: CCP Wrangler There's a Community petition category??
Amrumm	Posted - 2008.05.23 17:13:00 - [33] 400m at 14%
MilowFV Echo Heavy Industries	Posted - 2008.05.23 18:07:00 - [34] Fairly sure I got out bid so will go again with 200 million at 14.5 percent.
flakeys The Love Factory	Posted - 2008.05.23 18:23:00 - [35] Originally by: MilowFV Fairly sure I got out bid so will go again with 200 million at 14.5 percent. Same here but i'll look for another investment.Good luck to all involved though
MilowFV Echo Heavy Industries	Posted - 2008.05.23 19:46:00 - [36] Flakeys you can just put a new bid in if you want unless the rate is getting to low for you. Right now the rate is still 15 percent though. Everyone gets the highest rate basically and I am not sure I ve seen 8 billion bid below 15 percent yet.
flakeys The Love Factory	Posted - 2008.05.23 19:51:00 - [37] Originally by: MilowFV Flakeys you can just put a new bid in if you want unless the rate is getting to low for you. Right now the rate is still 15 percent though. Everyone gets the highest rate basically and I am not sure I ve seen 8 billion bid below 15 percent yet. Below 15% is too low for me on this one .And if i am counting right the last bit of the 15% will not go to me since others have bid the 15% before me thus making the total amount fullfilled allready. Thx for saying so though
MilowFV Echo Heavy Industries	Posted - 2008.05.23 20:18:00 - [38] What I was trying to say is that if only 7.9 billion gets bid at a rate lower then the current high interest rate bid of 15% then everyone will be getting 15%. Though your right if 15% is what your cut off is and you did bid 14.5% and 8 billion got bid at 14.5% or lower then everyone would be getting that rate and not the current 15%. Does that even make sense. Anyway I was just trying to make sure you knew how that works and I am guessing you do so will stop making more post just to see my typing when I read the forums later.
Asaru Lyra	Posted - 2008.05.24 08:17:00 - [39] 300m at 14%
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans	Posted - 2008.05.24 09:52:00 - [40] 6b at 13.5%
Roguehalo RH Ship Brokers	Posted - 2008.05.24 10:00:00 - [41] 1b @ 13.9%
flakeys The Love Factory	Posted - 2008.05.24 12:22:00 - [42] Originally by: Roguehalo 1b @ 13.9% Think he said in the original post it's a 0.5% bidding.So it would be either 14% or 13.5%.
Kwint Sommer Lothian Quay Industries	Posted - 2008.05.24 12:46:00 - [43] Originally by: flakeys Originally by: Roguehalo 1b @ 13.9% Think he said in the original post it's a 0.5% bidding.So it would be either 14% or 13.5%. I think you mean, "in the 5th post." He should really do something about that or he's going to continue getting other increments. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
Roguehalo RH Ship Brokers	Posted - 2008.05.24 13:06:00 - [44] Ok I updated my bid, but Kwint is right. The bid 'increment' stipulation is rather buried in the small print atm
MilowFV Echo Heavy Industries	Posted - 2008.05.24 15:32:00 - [45] 200 Million @ 13.5%
Demtalin le'Mercennaire The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.24 17:21:00 - [46] Can I modify mine to 100mil at 13.5% -------- Billy Jean is not my lover
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.05.24 17:30:00 - [47] 1bn @ 10% My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
MilowFV Echo Heavy Industries	Posted - 2008.05.24 17:55:00 - [48] It would seem my 13.5% bid isnt any good so my new bid is 200 million @ 13% .
Havok Pierce D00M.	Posted - 2008.05.25 03:04:00 - [49] Edited by: Havok Pierce on 25/05/2008 03:04:09 New bid: 300m @ 13% Edit: typo on the value Originally by: CCP Wrangler There's a Community petition category??
RaWBLooD	Posted - 2008.05.25 20:49:00 - [50] Originally by: Havok Pierce Edit: This is assuming he's counting any bids past 2008.05.24 03:42:00 (exactly 8 days from his original post time). That would be in about five hours. I will be ready to receive the isk 24 hours after the auction ends. The rate will be set but those who bid and do not make the final 8 billion may still have a shot if anyone pulls out or is not available to loan. miners-you can: switch, rob, wardec, nerf, scam them, buy below market, pirate them on their way to sell. mining < trading, ratting, manufacturing from market bought minerals,they still wont go away
Roguehalo RH Ship Brokers	Posted - 2008.05.25 22:46:00 - [51] I decided to pull out of this bond and I have cancelled my bid...... On reflection it seems that the only reason I was thinking of investing in this is cos Ricdic is willing to throw 6b at it for reasons best known to himself That's not enought info for me
RaWBLooD	Posted - 2008.05.26 00:07:00 - [52] Originally by: Roguehalo I decided to pull out of this bond and I have cancelled my bid...... On reflection it seems that the only reason I was thinking of investing in this is cos Ricdic is willing to throw 6b at it for reasons best known to himself That's not enought info for me Alright. The auction is still open for over three hours. I did say five in the last post because I will be without distractions then, but it should run until the full 8 days have passed. miners-you can: switch, rob, wardec, nerf, scam them, buy below market, pirate them on their way to sell. mining < trading, ratting, manufacturing from market bought minerals,they still wont go away
RaWBLooD	Posted - 2008.05.27 03:39:00 - [53] These bids were close to winning and should be ready to fill the spot of anyone that doesn't honour their full bid. Lo Lightshard 500M @ 14% Dranakolys 500m @ 14.5% Amrumm 400m at 14% These bids won. Amrumm if someone doesn't honour their bid you may have a chance to get your full bid. Amrumm 100m at 14% Asaru Lyra 300m at 14% Ebank 6b at 13.5% Demtalin le'Mercennaire 100mil at 13.5% Kazuo Ishiguro 1bn @ 10% MilowFV 200 million @ 13% Havok Pierce 300m @ 13% The auction was over yesterday but the forums were down for several hours and it was only fair to make sure no one got locked out. Send the isk now by player donation to RaWBLooD, please avoid any other form of sending the isk because the postal service tends to avoid my house. miners-you can: switch, rob, wardec, nerf, scam them, buy below market, pirate them on their way to sell. mining < trading, ratting, manufacturing from market bought minerals,they still wont go away
Amrumm	Posted - 2008.05.27 08:26:00 - [54] 100m transferred.
Demtalin le'Mercennaire The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.27 08:27:00 - [55] My isk should be in, in the next 5 hours, but please allow up to 24 hours. -------- Billy Jean is not my lover
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.05.27 10:07:00 - [56] Isk sent. Thanks for the notification. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
MilowFV Echo Heavy Industries	Posted - 2008.05.27 10:09:00 - [57] 200 million transfered
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans	Posted - 2008.05.27 10:48:00 - [58] Paid
Demtalin le'Mercennaire The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.27 11:01:00 - [59] Paid. (yay my first ever loan/IPO/bond/whatever investment) -------- Billy Jean is not my lover
Fira Valkyrie	Posted - 2008.05.27 13:56:00 - [60] (Confirming that Fira is an alt of Havok Pierce)
RaWBLooD	Posted - 2008.05.27 23:27:00 - [61] All the transfers were received except from Asaru Lyra for 300m. If there is no response in about a day then these people may get a chance in this order: Lo Lightshard 500M @ 14% Amrumm 300m at 14% Dranakolys 500m @ 14.5% To make things clear since most of the isk was received today then this will be the date of the first interest payment in two months. The interest for everyone will be at 14%. miners-you can: switch, rob, wardec, nerf, scam them, buy below market, pirate them on their way to sell. mining < trading, ratting, manufacturing from market bought minerals,they still wont go away
Lo Lightshard Insurrection Inc	Posted - 2008.05.31 00:56:00 - [62] 300M sent. [IMA6E REMOVED]
RaWBLooD	Posted - 2008.07.25 06:10:00 - [63] Edited by: RaWBLooD on 25/07/2008 06:12:09 I am offering a limited buyback. This means if you have sent me a loan you may ask for your isk back for the next five days. You will get your isk by the time I pay the interest or within 24 hours after that. You won't get any interest other than the 14% if you do ask for your money back before Tuesday. For anyone unaware Wikipedia explains a buyback well. After that the standard rules apply where you must ask in advance and I may not be able to pay you back until the next interest payment or later. The payment will come on the 28th. I may resell any loans that have been cashed in at a 102% value to those who may be interested. miners-you can: switch, rob, wardec, nerf, scam them, buy below market, pirate them on their way to sell. mining < trading, ratting, manufacturing from market bought minerals,they still wont go away
RaWBLooD	Posted - 2008.07.29 04:47:00 - [64] Everyone should feel better now. The minor postponement of payment has been sent out. Only one buyback was made matching the expectations. The creditor may want to keep it personal for now. The next payment will be this autumn. I don't frequent many regions so I would like to share that there is a demand out there that can't be tapped into through the forums. miners-you can: switch, rob, wardec, nerf, scam them, buy below market, pirate them on their way to sell. mining < trading, ratting, manufacturing from market bought minerals,they still wont go away
Amrumm Rhetorical Devices	Posted - 2008.07.29 10:01:00 - [65] Confirm ISK received.
RaWBLooD	Posted - 2008.10.05 19:26:00 - [66] Edited by: RaWBLooD on 05/10/2008 19:28:52 Interest was paid, and I have noticed some regional differences in lp produced items. Hopefully no one has lost their house yet. miners-you can: switch, rob, wardec, nerf, scam them, buy below market, pirate them on their way to sell. mining < trading, ratting, manufacturing from market bought minerals,they still wont go away
RaWBLooD	Posted - 2008.12.01 23:06:00 - [67] Edited by: RaWBLooD on 01/12/2008 23:07:15 Don't buy datacores because they are not worth the money. Interest has been paid and evemails sent. Everyone should invent afterburners. miners-you can: switch, rob, wardec, nerf, scam them, buy below market, pirate them on their way to sell. mining < trading, ratting, manufacturing from market bought minerals,they still wont go away
Lo Lightshard Insurrection Inc Tygris Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.01 23:49:00 - [68] But you need datacores to invent afterburners... Confirming dividend and principal repayment received. Thanks RaWBLooD. [IMA6E REMOVED]
Amrumm Rhetorical Devices	Posted - 2008.12.31 14:09:00 - [69] Used the early buyout option. ISK received. Happy investor.
RaWBLooD	Posted - 2009.02.01 22:21:00 - [70] Implants are looking real good right now, +5 are really jumpy. Interest was sent. Standard rules apply as at the start of the thread. There will be more downs before any big ups. Hope for change. miners-you can: switch, rob, wardec, nerf, scam them, buy below market, pirate them on their way to sell. mining < trading, ratting, manufacturing from market bought minerals,they still wont go away
Astarte Nosferatu Abrivianius Manufacturing Corporation	Posted - 2009.02.02 15:36:00 - [71] Originally by: RaWBLooD Implants are looking real good right now, +5 are really jumpy. Indeed they are. I have been telling people Implants are going to spike for a while now, but nobody seemed to believe it. Oh well, at least our wallet is blinking from selling Implants with a good mark up .
RaWBLooD	Posted - 2009.03.31 07:51:00 - [72] Recently there have been some fluctuations all over the market. Rigs and rigged ships can be traded in some interesting ways. Trading requires trying new ideas all the time. Isk has been sent out. miners-you can: switch, rob, wardec, nerf, scam them, buy below market, pirate them on their way to sell. mining < trading, ratting, manufacturing from market bought minerals,they still wont go away

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