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Karanth Gallente Eve's Brothers of Destiny FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.05.18 05:36:00 - [1] Now, normally I wouldn't gloat over the deaths of hundreds of thousands. In this case, I'll make an exception. The only reason for the delay was a personal matter, that has since been resolved. An Admiral of yours crashed a Carrier into our homeworld, killing thousands. An Admiral of ours just returned the favor by crashing into one of you headquarters with a Mothership, and killed hundreds of thousands. I consider the extra to be the interest we owe you. I expect that the totals will climb higher, until your little rebel faction drowns in its' own blood, and chokes on the smoldering ruins of a nation that never deserved the existence it has had. There have been other times I have supported the State and its citizens in times of crisis. Not this time. You deserved every single death you reaped from your betrayals, and your atrocities. My heart leaps knowing that my great-grandmother has been avenged, and that, even in mass murder, the Gallente Federation is still better than the Caldari State. We have the better economy, the better society, and now, we have shown that we will have the last laugh. After all, he who laughs last, laughs hardest. You called us soft, weak, and self-absorbed. I call you failures, traitors, and not deserving of life. The first war was entirely the fault of the State. Every step of the war, you elevated the conflict with a new level of vile acts, and we have responded in kind. Oh, and Luminaire VII? You are welcome to try and take it. Just remember the fate that traitors suffer. We are stronger, we have avenged your betrayal, and we will obliterate you. My only regret is that proud Gallente citizens died in this attack, but they helped make it possible, and ensure that it could succeed. My thoughts are with them, and if their families need any help in this time, they need ask, and I will do what I can, little consolation it may be.
Sakura Nihil Stimulus	Posted - 2008.05.18 07:14:00 - [2] I hope your little Federation and State destroy each other. With you out of the way, maybe our galaxy can make some real progress towards freedom. Goal Line Blitz, an American Football MMO Vote Jade for CSM.
Dengen Krastinov	Posted - 2008.05.18 07:17:00 - [3] Edited by: Dengen Krastinov on 18/05/2008 07:17:07 Originally by: Sakura Nihil I hope your little Federation and State destroy each other. With you out of the way, maybe our galaxy can make some real progress towards freedom. The removal of liberalism and nationalism are steps on the way to true faith in God and his messenger.
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.05.18 07:19:00 - [4] Thanks for fanning the fire, bigot.
Thorradin State War Academy	Posted - 2008.05.18 07:22:00 - [5] Originally by: Karanth An Admiral of yours crashed a Carrier into our homeworld, killing thousands. An Admiral of ours just returned the favor by crashing into one of you headquarters with a Mothership, and killed hundreds of thousands. I consider the extra to be the interest we owe you. I expect that the totals will climb higher, until your little rebel faction drowns in its' own blood, and chokes on the smoldering ruins of a nation that never deserved the existence it has had. I'll be sure to quote these words back to you when we bombard your homeworld and reduce it to lifeless ruin. Consider the little extra to be interest we owe you.
Dengen Krastinov	Posted - 2008.05.18 07:33:00 - [6] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Thanks for fanning the fire, bigot. All believers are 'bigots', as you graciously stated, because we know that there is only one true belief and God. Any other positions or ideals are false and heresy.
Karanth Gallente Eve's Brothers of Destiny FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.05.18 07:36:00 - [7] Originally by: Thorradin Originally by: Karanth An Admiral of yours crashed a Carrier into our homeworld, killing thousands. An Admiral of ours just returned the favor by crashing into one of you headquarters with a Mothership, and killed hundreds of thousands. I consider the extra to be the interest we owe you. I expect that the totals will climb higher, until your little rebel faction drowns in its' own blood, and chokes on the smoldering ruins of a nation that never deserved the existence it has had. I'll be sure to quote these words back to you when we bombard your homeworld and reduce it to lifeless ruin. Consider the little extra to be interest we owe you. Your people know the path back, after all, who could forget such a humiliating loss? I will die as many times as needed to make sure that you and your "people" understand what you did. We trusted you, and you betrayed us. Now, now is the time to show you what that means.
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.05.18 07:38:00 - [8] Originally by: Dengen Krastinov Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Thanks for fanning the fire, bigot. All believers are 'bigots', as you graciously stated, because we know that there is only one true belief and God. Any other positions or ideals are false and heresy. Apologies. I was not actually speaking to you, Mr. Krastinov. However, I'm glad you can self-critique your religion in such a way. Ghost Festival is recruiting.
Karanth Gallente Eve's Brothers of Destiny FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.05.18 07:48:00 - [9] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Thanks for fanning the fire, bigot. I meant to address this point. Any Caldari that decides to surrender, or declare their neutrality, and abide by it, is free to do so, in my books. Any that fight beside the Federation, and for its' ideals, will have an ally in me. Those who oppose us, though, I will not show mercy to. Does this help clarify my position?
Blackjack OMalley Caldari Blackjack Security Services	Posted - 2008.05.18 08:15:00 - [10] The most tragic fact of all in this drama of yours is that Tovil-Toba didn't drop his carrier on your great-grandmother before she had children... -------------------------------------------- Wait... what?
Isilwen Nightfall Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.	Posted - 2008.05.18 09:32:00 - [11] Edited by: Isilwen Nightfall on 18/05/2008 09:35:21 Our beloved Admiral Tovil-Toba did that in order to ensure the evacuation of Caldari Prime. Praise his memory, he was a -true- hero. Do not even compare his actions to those of your "Admiral Terrorist", who had no reason to slaughter thousands of innocents. You look like a bunch of kids. "Oh, he did that to me! I'm going to do it to him too!" Come on, Gallenteans. Try to grow up.
DeadRow Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.05.18 10:18:00 - [12] Originally by: Isilwen Nightfall Do not even compare his actions to those of your "Admiral Terrorist", who had no reason to slaughter thousands of innocents. Killing innocents is killing innocents, Admiral Tovil-Toba is just as bad as Admiral Noir. Quote: Iz in ur base, implanting ur dudes
Fox Vulcan Gallente LYF Naval Academy	Posted - 2008.05.18 10:21:00 - [13] Seconded. Just because idiots fan the fires of war does not mena, by any long shot, that everyone supports these actions. So much for peace... **************************** "For Honour and Glory."
Stitcher Caldari Rin-Ruuka Kyun	Posted - 2008.05.18 10:32:00 - [14] Edited by: Stitcher on 18/05/2008 10:33:01 I can see that for bigots such as yourself, there can be no reasoning. No argument will cure your bloodlust. If you really must give in to the same rage that consumed us all a century ago, then you will find that the Caldari have learned the lesson you ignored. If you come, you will break upon our shield wall. - Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Xavian Vaar Amarr Vaar Stock Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.18 10:44:00 - [15] According to our historical records, Tovil-Toba did what was necessary as an act of absolute desperation. At the time of his action, the Caldari were attempting to evacuate civilians Caldari Prime, which was under orbital bombardment from the Federation Navy. The Federation Navy were targeting and destroying civilian transports - refugees - as they broke atmosphere attempting to leave the warzone. Admiral Tovil-Toba weighed his own life, and that of his crew, and that of the city he hit against the millions of innocent Caldari on the surface and in unarmed transports who would never have stood a chance against the blockading Federal fleet. He weighed it against the very survival of the Caldari people. In his position, what sane individual would not make the same decision? We shall carry the Word. We shall correct and unify.
BloodBird Gallente Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.18 10:46:00 - [16] Originally by: DeadRow Originally by: Isilwen Nightfall Do not even compare his actions to those of your "Admiral Terrorist", who had no reason to slaughter thousands of innocents. Killing innocents is killing innocents, Admiral Tovil-Toba is just as bad as Admiral Noir. Glad to see that not all Caldari praise Tovil-Toba for his act of mass-murder, makes me glad. People of the like of Miss. Karanth sickens me. To think anyone can be so ignorant, hateful, short-sighted and foolish. I fear however, that Mister Sticher is correct: Reaching this delusional woman with words would likely be a waste of time. It don't make her statement any more sad though. That I'm used to her kind by now don't make it any less a negative experiance. Sig source
Seetesh Caldari Pixels Docks	Posted - 2008.05.18 11:25:00 - [17] Edited by: Seetesh on 18/05/2008 11:26:13 Tovil-Toba was a hero of war, he brought us time to evacuate our homeworld and save million's, He did what war demanded of him and nothing less. It was war and their is a difference. Your admiral however is nothing more than a terrorist and your heads and the heads of other gallente shall adore the hulls of our ships as we lay siege to gallente prime and crush you into the dirt.
BloodBird Gallente Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.18 11:39:00 - [18] Says the blind warmongerer. Such a result will require far more than hot air in these channels pilot - far more. By the way, for your information, by the time your beloved admiral's carrier crashed into a plant, his efforts to hold the Gallente away had long since been acomplished. Also, most of the atrocities commited on Caldari prime by te Federation was ordered by a short-sighted, hateful right-winged facist regime. Their blind hate and actions as a result of this should serve as a warning to all of us not to be as blind as they were. A shame it is, that people don't seem to learn. Sig source
Amoun Ra Caldari Caldari Assault Fleet	Posted - 2008.05.18 12:15:00 - [19] Well it seems those right-winged fascists still hold power within your precious senate. Your federation lust for power and wealth, is the main reason you couldn't stand the sight of the economic power and wealth the caldari megacorporations had and not sharing them with your fat senators. The way i see it is you still can't get over how superior the caldari state is compared to the federation economically and militarily but you will understand when you see our great fleets orbit your precious gallente prime right before we annihilate it. And don't ever mention the name Tovil-Toba gallente you are not worthy of that honor.
DeadRow Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.05.18 18:01:00 - [20] Originally by: Stitcher Yakil Tovil-Toba sacrificed himself to buy time for an entire civilization to survive. Alexander Noir sacrificed himself to try and spark the fire that would destroy one. There were most likely more targets of opportunity than a city full of civilians, he choose it because it would have the biggest impact on the Gallente. Admiral Noir choose it for the same reasons- but like I said Im not praises either, but I notice how the State is all up in arms when it happens to them, but if they do it to others, or it doesn't impact them they shrug it off. Originally by: BloodBird Glad to see that not all Caldari praise Tovil-Toba for his act of mass-murder, makes me glad. Although Caldari by blood, I was born on Gallente Prime and as such was a Federation Citizen before joining the Nation. Quote: Iz in ur base, implanting ur dudes
Stitcher Caldari Rin-Ruuka Kyun	Posted - 2008.05.18 18:23:00 - [21] Originally by: DeadRow There were most likely more targets of opportunity than a city full of civilians, he choose it because it would have the biggest impact on the Gallente. Exactly. The idea was to throw the Federation into turmoil long enough to effect a complete escape. No other target would have sufficed. The ethics of war are different to the ethics of peace. In wartime, actions that would qualify as "monstrous" during times of peace are necessary. Yakil Tovil-Toba did what needed to be done, and thus should be commended. Alexander Noir attacked without necessity or provocation, and thus should be be reviled. If the Federation has any sense at all, they will declare his actions traitorous, denounce them, and make reparations to the State. I fear that too much time has passed for any such words to be entirely convincing, however. - Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Eventy One Magellan Exploration and Survey Phoenix Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.18 18:38:00 - [22] By your same logic then you us a home world. I expect all Gallente to be off Caldari Prime in one weeks time (that how long we had to evacuate it according to the original Gallente ultimatum).
Ladel Teravada Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.05.18 23:19:00 - [23] Karanth? Is this the view of you, your corporation or your alliance? Think through your answer as I don't want you to change your mind after the consequences hit. Commodore Ladel Teravada Executive Officer, Fleet Operations
Vieve Tisserand Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.05.19 02:59:00 - [24] If you would prefer Commodore Teravada's question phrased another way, Captain Karanth -- there is some question whether you are the lone frothing lunatic behind your words, or if your opinion was crafted by consensus. Please consider my curiosity about the answer as both individual and morbid. I am having the most horrid difficulty recognizing you as a whole person: from here it seems too reasonable that there might be a hand sized hole in your back.
Danae Melios Notorious Legion	Posted - 2008.05.19 03:38:00 - [25] It is because of idiots like you that people like me are going to get pulled into the war. Not because we want to kill, but because we want to keep our people from being killed. I'm keeping a nice list of all the instigators of this, and when everything from the war is settled I'm going to take my self-made fortune and spread enough ISK around to have your clones permanently erased. Whoever gave you your pilots license should be shot. This isn't going to be some little war between shooting parties, or people playing undocking games. Because people like you took off the kid gloves, there will be no boundaries and everyone will try to wipe the other off the face of the universe, not just try to conquer them. And that will mean the end of pod pilots, because we rely on the goodwill of the governments to maintain us. That won't be possible when everyone is dead and when someone crashes capital ships into every inhabited place they can find. Look at the ease with which the pirate groups get into highsec space. Look at how many unlicensed stargates and jumpgates there are throughouth empire space that we have to clean up already. There won't be a front line if everyone goes to war. Space isn't a barrier anymore, it is a highway to all other places. And that is if the Jovians don't simply fry our weapons before we can actually shoot each other, leaving us even madder and even more impotent. I'll put my Domi into the service of the Federation, but there's going to be a reckoning for the instigators after everything is said and done. Originally by: game box Conceive a new life without boundaries, where murder, plunder, betrayal, and delusions of grandeur will lead you to boundless glory or to the brink of ruin.
Natalcya Katla Astropolitan Front	Posted - 2008.05.19 04:14:00 - [26] People need to stop using the word "fascist" as a collective term describing any idiot waving a flag and a gun about. Being a fascist, as I freely admit that I am, means taking an active interest in the welfare of one's people. It means working in the service of unity, order, stability, peace and civilization, and to defend these ideals from any who would threaten them. It means following orders, unless those orders themselves threaten the aforementioned ideals. It means toeing the line, it means making sacrifices, it means demanding of one's fellow citizens that they make the same sacrifices, and it means keeping a close eye on each other so that those who stray from the path of order can be brought back into line as quickly and as smoothly as possible. If anything, the danger of the Federation's government of today is that there is far too little fascism in it - nobody's working together, nobody has anything but their own interests at heart, and nobody seems to have an interest in the enforcement of order. And if the Federal government back in the day had been anything like true fascists, they would have kept a much closer eye on their entire society and put the entire "rogue colonies" and secession issue down before it even had the chance to blossom into a civil war. Caldari administration tends to be a bit closer to fascism as a rule, although it suffers from the lack of a true central government, and its citizens are still on a whole too preoccupied with self-destructive frivolities such as gambling. Summa summarum: The last war didn't have anything to do with fascism, Admiral Noir's selfish act of murder had nothing to do with fascism, and the sabre-rattling capsuleers on these boards are not fascists, only rich dilettantes looking for their next thrill.
Dengen Krastinov	Posted - 2008.05.19 04:55:00 - [27] Originally by: Natalcya Katla People need to stop using the word "fascist" as a collective term describing any idiot waving a flag and a gun about. Being a fascist, as I freely admit that I am, means taking an active interest in the welfare of one's people. It means working in the service of unity, order, stability, peace and civilization, and to defend these ideals from any who would threaten them. It means following orders, unless those orders themselves threaten the aforementioned ideals. It means toeing the line, it means making sacrifices, it means demanding of one's fellow citizens that they make the same sacrifices, and it means keeping a close eye on each other so that those who stray from the path of order can be brought back into line as quickly and as smoothly as possible. If anything, the danger of the Federation's government of today is that there is far too little fascism in it - nobody's working together, nobody has anything but their own interests at heart, and nobody seems to have an interest in the enforcement of order. And if the Federal government back in the day had been anything like true fascists, they would have kept a much closer eye on their entire society and put the entire "rogue colonies" and secession issue down before it even had the chance to blossom into a civil war. Caldari administration tends to be a bit closer to fascism as a rule, although it suffers from the lack of a true central government, and its citizens are still on a whole too preoccupied with self-destructive frivolities such as gambling. Summa summarum: The last war didn't have anything to do with fascism, Admiral Noir's selfish act of murder had nothing to do with fascism, and the sabre-rattling capsuleers on these boards are not fascists, only rich dilettantes looking for their next thrill. Brilliant words. I completely agree.
Stitcher Caldari Rin-Ruuka Kyun	Posted - 2008.05.19 08:03:00 - [28] Originally by: Natalcya Katla Caldari administration tends to be a bit closer to fascism as a rule, although it suffers from the lack of a true central government, and its citizens are still on a whole too preoccupied with self-destructive frivolities such as gambling. Closer, but fortunately not quite there. Pure fascism is too harsh - noble in principle, dangerous and destructive in practice. As with all things in the cosmos, a balance must be struck - Fascism and Liberalism must temper each other, Passion and Control must be present in roughly equal amounts. An excessively liberal society, ruled by unrestrained passion, is an "anarchy", and will shoot off spontaneously to self-destructive ends. Conversely, a fascist society devoid of liberal ideals will choke on its own systems of control, grinding to a fatal halt. There is a large grey area in the middle, of balanced societies that successfully blend the two extremes into something productive. Personally, I believe that the State occupies a good position in that scale - the more fascist side of our nature is sufficiently well-expressed that our society is efficient and well-ordered, but at the same time is not so restrictive that the spirit of our culture is suffocated. No society is perfect, however. Perfection would be a government able to operate at one extreme or the other without suffering from the downsides of its own form. Such a government cannot exist however, so instead we must temper one with the other, and that generates its own conflicts. The State has its problems, just like any other culture. Tibus Heth has at least done a very good job of exposing them. I just wish he'd been smart enough to correctly place the blame where it belonged - on the Caldari people ourselves - rather than trying to blame the Gallente, and thus starting a chain reaction that resulted to 5/15. - Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Karanth Gallente Eve's Brothers of Destiny FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.05.19 08:20:00 - [29] Originally by: Vieve Tisserand If you would prefer Commodore Teravada's question phrased another way, Captain Karanth -- there is some question whether you are the lone frothing lunatic behind your words, or if your opinion was crafted by consensus. Please consider my curiosity about the answer as both individual and morbid. I am having the most horrid difficulty recognizing you as a whole person: from here it seems too reasonable that there might be a hand sized hole in your back. I've been busy making some... preparations, so forgive my delay in answering. The first, about who my words speak for. Unless I have received some sort of promotion I was not aware of, my words would not be able to speak for any other member of my corporation or alliance. As to your question- given your choices, which I view as woefully lacking, I would be forced to choose the former. A more correct statement would be "a lone pilot ready to die for a cause, and not afraid of telling it how it is." In contrast, you fight for the Federation; I fight against the State. I do find the question of puppetry somewhat insulting. To myself, anyway, I have more than justifiable cause, and now a catalyst that will transform the State into what it should have been long ago.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.05.19 09:26:00 - [30] When the time comes I hope our Caldari allies remember that orbital bombardement is an Amarrian specialty. Now recruiting!

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