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loony thezoon
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Posted - 2008.05.18 22:16:00 -
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raincoats>cloaks
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Syniztur
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.05.19 01:05:00 -
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Wren Alterana
Minmatar
The Baros Syndicate
Kissaki Republic
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Posted - 2008.05.19 01:21:00 -
[33]
too read didn't long
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ChickenOfDoom
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Posted - 2008.05.19 04:06:00 -
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If you jump into a bubble in anything bigger than a frigate and you don't have a cloak, chances are you're 100% ******. With a cloak, you probably have a 30% chance, depending on how many people are there and whether you have backup on the way. Without cloaks, bubbles become win buttons for ganking solitary targets (non nano).
As for ratting, the difference is in convenience. Without a cloak, you would have to ss and log every time someone shows up in local and check back every 5 minutes to see if they're gone. Cloaks eliminate that need.
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Grapez
Sky Net Industries
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.05.19 04:28:00 -
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How about this:
When the cloak is active, you cannot see local. The chat channel is closed until you uncloak.
For cloaking ratters, it means they cannot see when it is safe to uncloak. For scouts/recon pilots, it means they have to warp somewhere safe while cloaked and then momentarily uncloak to see who's in local. For people that sit AFK cloaked all day, it means that they cannot gather any useful information.
The cloak still maintains the 'safety' aspect that is has now, but loses a large portion of it's metagaming potential. |
Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.05.19 04:39:00 -
[36]
 Originally by: Futtbucker
Edited by: Futtbucker on 18/05/2008 18:21:11
seriously....
kiss my ass troll
thread over
cloaking stays, futtbucker leaves. Everyone wins.
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PwnzDeLeOwnz
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.19 05:15:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Shadow Joy
If only I had a raven setup to post....
My Raven was equipped with the following:
HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I
MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER
LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I
DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES
UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I
01 x HYDRAULIC BAY THRUSTER I
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Zurrar
Gallente
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.05.19 06:07:00 -
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im still selling foil hats, 15 isk... i have like, all the ones i started out with still...
Originally by: Darla Dawson
Quit, and go play wow
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Leora Nomen
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.19 07:36:00 -
[39]
so ... how seriously are we talking about here?
it all depends on how serious you are here, because if you aren't very serious i think that cloaking should stay
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SCSPOOK
Caldari
16th Interspacial Dynasty
The 11th Hour
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Posted - 2008.05.19 11:46:00 -
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Cloaking should stay. Pirates should go.
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Braaage
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.05.19 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Futtbucker
Edited by: Futtbucker on 18/05/2008 18:21:11
seriously....
Your arguement for removing cloaking is overwhelming so I must obviously agree.
Next time if you want a serious debate at least put in some content.
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Johnny Gurkha
Maleficus Cruentus Interfeci
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Posted - 2008.05.19 11:50:00 -
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Cloaking is already nerfed... anything fitting one other than Cov Ops/Recon needs a sensor booster to be able lock something before they MWD and warp
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annoing
Amarr
MisFunk Inc.
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.05.19 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Infected Cure
tl;dr
Originally by: EncyclopediaDramatica
"After the 12th paragraph, I started getting light-headed, and had to stop and set up a base camp to rest while the Sherpas went ahead to scout out the rest of the post. But after a long nap and some serious re-hydration, I was able to push through and finish my ascent. I donÆt know that IÆve ever been more proud of myself."
Dwi Cymraig
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KillinVillin
Gallente
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.05.19 12:01:00 -
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Ahh the age old question of whats good for me is good for you.
Personally I think they should nerf cloaks even more. Make it where your ship has to be 0.0 ms to even turn it on.(excluding cov op's and cloak ships)
Imagine somone goes to a safe spot and has to slow down all the way. (Ample ammount of time to scan him down)
slowly removes the (iwin) button.
What you think?
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Karentaki
Gallente
Edyta Enterprises
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.19 12:01:00 -
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Yeah - non-cloaking-specialised ships should be stopped from going afk for hours cloaked, but covert ops/ stealth bombers/ force recons/ black ops SHOULD NOT be nerfed. A good solution would be to make non-covert ops cloaks probeble, but just make it harder to probe them (like finding mission runners but harder). Cloaking-specific ships should get bonuses that stop them from being probed while cloaked.
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.05.19 12:04:00 -
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2 options here where soviengty is owned the ability for the owner to find clokaed ships
Otherwise a novel solution is the cloaker has a timer - 60 minutes max, afer 60 minutes u are uncloaked for 10-15 minutes either 1/6/ or 1/4 the time the cloaker was on think of it as a cooldown timer. if youre in a cooldown period and u log off u remain in space for 5 minutes rather than 2 or if aggressed until the cooldown period expires
Thoughts ?
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Zaerlorth Maelkor
The Maverick Navy
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.19 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Grapez
How about this:
When the cloak is active, you cannot see local. The chat channel is closed until you uncloak.
For cloaking ratters, it means they cannot see when it is safe to uncloak. For scouts/recon pilots, it means they have to warp somewhere safe while cloaked and then momentarily uncloak to see who's in local. For people that sit AFK cloaked all day, it means that they cannot gather any useful information.
The cloak still maintains the 'safety' aspect that is has now, but loses a large portion of it's metagaming potential.
This is actually a very interesting idea. Make covert ops cloak excempt from this, but normal cloaks on regular ships should have this drawback.
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KillinVillin
Gallente
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.05.19 12:12:00 -
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Finding a cloaker, hmm let's think, isnt there a pos module that scan's down ship's?
They (CCP) could implment a skill that allows you to remotely use that module (if you have the right's to use it for your corp)
The skill would allow you to find a cloaked ship with a % of decloaking it, the module would allow you to scan down ships that don't use Cov ops's cloak period.
Even go to the point of when it finds it it's can be seen in the solar system map(f10 sloarsystem map see target warp to) open up the scanner and (add a button to decloak or target ship) so it looses cloak and can't recloak.
Call the skill Advanced Scan Warefare
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Edwardteach
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Posted - 2008.05.19 12:16:00 -
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my titan would be worthless(dead) with out a cloak 
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Drizit
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.19 12:18:00 -
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Edited by: Drizit on 19/05/2008 12:18:39
I presume the OP can't find that elusive ratter that hides under cloak every time the OP enters the system 
Removing cloaks will really choke Empire space. It's the only way half the highsec players will go to lowsec or nullsec.
Also, you kill off Stealth Bombers unless you propose to allow them to use Covert cloaks and warp while cloaked which would be appropriate since they are classified under the listing of Covert ships.
NO... SERIOUSLY!
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KillinVillin
Gallente
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.05.19 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Edwardteach
my titan would be worthless(dead) with out a cloak
If your outa your element,(your home system with sov) or in enemy systems you should be able to get scaned down.
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Baron Erique
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.05.19 12:28:00 -
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I want a little boost for my Helios, actually. I'm tired of not being able to change probes while cloaked. How does that even make sense? It's like a submarine not being able to change torpedoes while submerged. |
Seph Res
PPN United
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.05.19 12:29:00 -
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tbh:
cloakings are ok on their dedicated roles of ships like : stealthbombers, recons, covops, blackops
probably i would allow cloaks on capitals too,
but today everyone and their mothers fit cloaks even on ceptors, noobships, bs, hacs, usw.
suggestion: cpu penalty, make ships that are not intended to cloak able to fit it, but reduce the overall cpu output from the ship to 50% of its original value, problem solved 
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Ordon Gundar
Caldari
Kingfisher Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.19 12:49:00 -
[54]
Just sounds like "Waa Waa..ships I cant see keep hurting me..waa waa!"
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Jack Gilligan
Caldari
Dragon's Rage
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.05.19 13:01:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Jack Gilligan on 19/05/2008 13:02:17
Simply put, cloaking should have a high cost when used on ships not meant to fit them.
On non purpose built cloakers they should have a cycle time and cap cost that scales up to the size of the ship, so that it's not possible to remain cloaked more than a few minutes at MOST. Furthermore, a battleship that remains cloaked will decloak with no cap, thus rendering it defenseless.
Stealth bombers, recons, covert ops, black ops would be exempt from this cap drain as their power systems/structures are designed to minimize cloaking power use.
I do fly bombers and covert ops, but with good cloaking skills (and the T2 cloak) it's kind of ridiculous how easy it is to throw one on a Raven or Drake and use effectively.
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b1zz
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Posted - 2008.05.19 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Seph Res
but today everyone and their mothers fit cloaks even on ceptors, noobships, bs, hacs, usw.
And that's the problem. The question is, does anyone not have a cloak? The stealth/recon career is meaningless because everyone is stealthed. CCP needs to compensate for the popularity by bumping up the requirements or something. There's a stealthed Caldari around every corner, or there would be if they weren't all invisible  .
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OffBeaT
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Posted - 2008.05.19 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: PwnzDeLeOwnz
Originally by: Shadow Joy
If only I had a raven setup to post....
My Raven was equipped with the following:
HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I
MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER
LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I
DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES
UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I
01 x HYDRAULIC BAY THRUSTER I
this setup is for what again.. combat?
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NeoNeTiC
Mortis Angelus
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.05.19 13:27:00 -
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Can't be bothered to read any replies but I agree with the OP.
I don't want to see perma-cloaking NPCers anymore, unless they fly a Cov-Ops or a Recon.
Heavily penalize cloaks on non-cloaking-bonussed ships or simply add a 90% penalty to scan-resolution and locking-range for all cloaks but the cov-ops ones. :O
Wanna go afk? Go safespot and hope they don't probe. Or log.
The agression timer is still running and you have to emergency log because your daughter had an accident? You're a sick **** for worrying about losing a virtual asset instead of just running the **** to where you're really needed.
This concludes my opinion on this matter.
Happy hiding,
NeoNeTiC
[MORTS]-Prober
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Ipos
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Posted - 2008.05.19 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Dramatisation : " tl;dr "
Haha, thanks .. I needed that ^^
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Syniztur
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.05.19 13:54:00 -
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Ok, explain how 'someone going into cloak and then going AFK for hours' actually affects you?
I mean WTF people? You are really crying for a nerf on cloaks because somebody went AFK? Are your serious? That is the most stupid thing I've ever heard!
"seriously...."
What basis have you for any of this? I hope you have a glass belly button so you can see where you are going, because your head is obviously so far up your arse!
LOCK this stupid thread. This is ridiculous.
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