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Futtbucker	Posted - 2008.05.18 18:21:00 - [1] Edited by: Futtbucker on 18/05/2008 18:21:11 seriously....
Infected Cure	Posted - 2008.05.18 18:21:00 - [2] tl;dr
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.05.18 18:33:00 - [3] Originally by: Infected Cure tl;dr wall of text oh and locked for rant/spam reasons
Kil'Roy Minmatar The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2008.05.18 18:36:00 - [4] Normally due to the title I would expect to see a firestorm not see since the end of the Dinosaurs, but after looking at the content of the OP, I would expect a laughing fit not see since... Well, I can't come up with anything. Sorry.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.05.18 18:39:00 - [5] Originally by: Futtbucker Edited by: Futtbucker on 18/05/2008 18:21:11 seriously.... Nope! Seriously! Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Riho Gallente Mercenary Forces Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.18 18:44:00 - [6] no thx... i like my anathema/helios/arazu/rapier/pilgrim (lol) ---------------------------------- Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
DroneCommander Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.18 18:47:00 - [7] Originally by: Infected Cure tl;dr ------------- Now I'm sad...
Apoctasy The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.18 18:56:00 - [8] Originally by: Futtbucker Edited by: Futtbucker on 18/05/2008 18:21:11 seriously.... Use some PUNCTUATION and maybe some COHERENT SENTENCE STRUCTURE before I read that jumbled paragraph
Zurrar Gallente Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2008.05.18 18:57:00 - [9] removing cloaks from ships that shouldnt have them. or making it so they cant lock anything *WHILE THEY HAVE THE MODULE ONLINE* Originally by: Darla Dawson Quit, and go play wow I slaughter the english language better than a isk farmer. I love you.
Gwendion Gallente No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2008.05.18 18:59:00 - [10] Originally by: Zurrar removing cloaks from ships that shouldnt have them. or making it so they cant lock anything *WHILE THEY HAVE THE MODULE ONLINE* Never used a cloak have you? Please, cloaking is this games least worries. It provides safety where there normally wouldn't be any.
Hannobaal Gallente Shadow Forces Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:01:00 - [11] Originally by: Infected Cure tl;dr Indeed.
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:08:00 - [12] Cloaking needs to be fixed in regards to turd-brains who stay in local all day cloaked in their Raven. Make it difficult to just AFK in a ratter with a cloak on. Cloaking needs to be fixed in regards to Back Ops. Battleships - give them ability to fit Covert Ops cloaking device. And tweak a few other things, making them a true front line Battleship rather than a joke they are now. Other than that - rest of cloaking mechanic works just fine.
Kil'Roy Minmatar The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:11:00 - [13] Originally by: Jinx Barker Cloaking needs to be fixed in regards to turd-brains who stay in local all day cloaked in their Raven. Make it difficult to just AFK in a ratter with a cloak on. Cloaking needs to be fixed in regards to Back Ops. Battleships - give them ability to fit Covert Ops cloaking device. And tweak a few other things, making them a true front line Battleship rather than a joke they are now. Other than that - rest of cloaking mechanic works just fine. Black Ops were never meant to be front line BS,and if you give them the CovOps Cloak, the will be the gankers dream. Are you a Ganker? I have been from time to time and think that would be overkill.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:14:00 - [14] Time to end nonsense posts, not even making a case for itself. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Haraldhardrade Amarr Pax Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:14:00 - [15] Give klingon Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
Arvald Caldari The School 0f Fine Arts	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:16:00 - [16] Originally by: Futtbucker Edited by: Futtbucker on 18/05/2008 18:21:11 seriously.... your name, it makes me giggle like a little school girl Originally by: Liang Nuren There are no dangerous ships, there are dangerous people. IIRC, you are one of them.
Mrsticks Minmatar RNCGM Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:18:00 - [17] Originally by: Jinx Barker Cloaking needs to be fixed in regards to turd-brains who stay in local all day cloaked in their Raven. Make it difficult to just AFK in a ratter with a cloak on. Quick Nerf local thatill Fix it!! Long Live TEXAS! Texans join the Texas channel in game plz.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:35:00 - [18] Too short, didn't read __ CSM candidates - quick reference cards (NEW: spreadsheet) Or just vote for LaVista Vista or Leandro Salazar like I did.
Alyth Gallente Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:42:00 - [19] Originally by: Gwendion Originally by: Zurrar removing cloaks from ships that shouldnt have them. or making it so they cant lock anything *WHILE THEY HAVE THE MODULE ONLINE* Never used a cloak have you? Please, cloaking is this games least worries. It provides safety where there normally wouldn't be any. Which is exactly the problem, nothing in EVE should provided 100% safety. Ships without a cloak bonus should be penalised (more, lets face it a sig res penalty for invincibility in a safe is hardly a penalty) while using them. For example make them scannable albeit with a greatly reduced chance of finding them with that chance increasing the longer they stay cloaked
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:46:00 - [20] Originally by: Futtbucker Edited by: Futtbucker on 18/05/2008 18:21:11 seriously.... () () (â;..;)â (")(")
Juin Dar	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:47:00 - [21] What does tl;dr mean?
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:48:00 - [22] Originally by: Juin Dar What does tl;dr mean? Yea, I want to know too.... "srsly"
Shadow Joy	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:52:00 - [23] If only I had a raven setup to post....
SiJira	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:54:00 - [24] Originally by: Alyth For example make them scannable albeit with a greatly reduced chance of finding them with that chance stupid example that will never work - read the other cloak threads Quote: increasing the longer they stay cloaked lol Trashed sig, Shark was here
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:57:00 - [25] Originally by: Jinx Barker Originally by: Juin Dar What does tl;dr mean? Yea, I want to know too.... "srsly" Dramatisation : " tl;dr " __ CSM candidates - quick reference cards (NEW: spreadsheet) Or just vote for LaVista Vista or Leandro Salazar like I did.
Juin Dar	Posted - 2008.05.18 20:02:00 - [26] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Jinx Barker Originally by: Juin Dar What does tl;dr mean? Yea, I want to know too.... "srsly" Dramatisation : " tl;dr " Thanks, I didn't what that coffee anyways, but now I coffee dripping out my nose.
SCSPOOK Caldari 16th Interspacial Dynasty The 11th Hour	Posted - 2008.05.18 20:41:00 - [27] Originally by: Futtbucker Edited by: Futtbucker on 18/05/2008 18:21:11 seriously.... ..........no.................
Joe Starbreaker	Posted - 2008.05.18 20:42:00 - [28] Too long; didn't read. I have also seen it as TL;DNR (too long; did not read). ---------------- [insert signature here]
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.05.18 22:06:00 - [29] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Too long; didn't read. I have also seen it as TL;DNR (too long; did not read). tsoiwtldr aka that second one is way too long didn't read
Armoured C Gallente Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.05.18 22:14:00 - [30] what the point of having a cloak if it can be found the idea of a cloaking device is that you are invisable ... i dont want my covert op / recon ship still being able to be found with the top of the line cloaking device that would completly negate a few entire lines of ship including : stealth bombers covert op frigates recons black op ships all these types of ships require special cloaking devices just waving around with no other alternative you just made 20 ships completly useless op need to srly futt his own buck (get it that his name lol ... well it made me laugh)
loony thezoon	Posted - 2008.05.18 22:16:00 - [31] raincoats>cloaks
Syniztur Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.19 01:05:00 - [32] ╔═╦═╦╦═╗ ║═╣═║║╔╝ ║═╣╔╣║╚╗ ╚═╩╝╚╩═╝ ╔═╦══╦╦╗ ║╔╣╔╗║║║ ║╚╣╚╝║║║ ║╔╣╔╗║║╚╗ ╚╝╚╝╚╩╩═╝ -------------------------------------------------- \| Do unto others, before they can do unto you! \| --------------------------------------------------
Wren Alterana Minmatar The Baros Syndicate Kissaki Republic	Posted - 2008.05.19 01:21:00 - [33] too read didn't long _________ Dynamic Maps
ChickenOfDoom	Posted - 2008.05.19 04:06:00 - [34] If you jump into a bubble in anything bigger than a frigate and you don't have a cloak, chances are you're 100% ******. With a cloak, you probably have a 30% chance, depending on how many people are there and whether you have backup on the way. Without cloaks, bubbles become win buttons for ganking solitary targets (non nano). As for ratting, the difference is in convenience. Without a cloak, you would have to ss and log every time someone shows up in local and check back every 5 minutes to see if they're gone. Cloaks eliminate that need.
Grapez Sky Net Industries Pure.	Posted - 2008.05.19 04:28:00 - [35] How about this: When the cloak is active, you cannot see local. The chat channel is closed until you uncloak. For cloaking ratters, it means they cannot see when it is safe to uncloak. For scouts/recon pilots, it means they have to warp somewhere safe while cloaked and then momentarily uncloak to see who's in local. For people that sit AFK cloaked all day, it means that they cannot gather any useful information. The cloak still maintains the 'safety' aspect that is has now, but loses a large portion of it's metagaming potential.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.05.19 04:39:00 - [36] Originally by: Futtbucker Edited by: Futtbucker on 18/05/2008 18:21:11 seriously.... kiss my ass troll thread over cloaking stays, futtbucker leaves. Everyone wins.
PwnzDeLeOwnz Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.05.19 05:15:00 - [37] Originally by: Shadow Joy If only I had a raven setup to post.... My Raven was equipped with the following: HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I 01 x HYDRAULIC BAY THRUSTER I
Zurrar Gallente Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2008.05.19 06:07:00 - [38] im still selling foil hats, 15 isk... i have like, all the ones i started out with still... Originally by: Darla Dawson Quit, and go play wow I slaughter the english language better than a isk farmer. I love you.
Leora Nomen Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.19 07:36:00 - [39] so ... how seriously are we talking about here? it all depends on how serious you are here, because if you aren't very serious i think that cloaking should stay guide to game time codes
SCSPOOK Caldari 16th Interspacial Dynasty The 11th Hour	Posted - 2008.05.19 11:46:00 - [40] Cloaking should stay. Pirates should go.
Braaage eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.05.19 11:49:00 - [41] Originally by: Futtbucker Edited by: Futtbucker on 18/05/2008 18:21:11 seriously.... Your arguement for removing cloaking is overwhelming so I must obviously agree. Next time if you want a serious debate at least put in some content. -- All about POSs, Outposts, Exploration, Mining, Invention, EVE Database + much more!!
Johnny Gurkha Maleficus Cruentus Interfeci	Posted - 2008.05.19 11:50:00 - [42] Cloaking is already nerfed... anything fitting one other than Cov Ops/Recon needs a sensor booster to be able lock something before they MWD and warp MCI Recruitment
annoing Amarr MisFunk Inc. Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2008.05.19 11:53:00 - [43] Originally by: Infected Cure tl;dr Originally by: EncyclopediaDramatica "After the 12th paragraph, I started getting light-headed, and had to stop and set up a base camp to rest while the Sherpas went ahead to scout out the rest of the post. But after a long nap and some serious re-hydration, I was able to push through and finish my ascent. I donÆt know that IÆve ever been more proud of myself." Dwi Cymraig
KillinVillin Gallente Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.05.19 12:01:00 - [44] Ahh the age old question of whats good for me is good for you. Personally I think they should nerf cloaks even more. Make it where your ship has to be 0.0 ms to even turn it on.(excluding cov op's and cloak ships) Imagine somone goes to a safe spot and has to slow down all the way. (Ample ammount of time to scan him down) slowly removes the (iwin) button. What you think?
Karentaki Gallente Edyta Enterprises Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.19 12:01:00 - [45] Yeah - non-cloaking-specialised ships should be stopped from going afk for hours cloaked, but covert ops/ stealth bombers/ force recons/ black ops SHOULD NOT be nerfed. A good solution would be to make non-covert ops cloaks probeble, but just make it harder to probe them (like finding mission runners but harder). Cloaking-specific ships should get bonuses that stop them from being probed while cloaked. ========== This is a signature, a cunning ploy used by forum warriors!
Callthetruth Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.05.19 12:04:00 - [46] 2 options here where soviengty is owned the ability for the owner to find clokaed ships Otherwise a novel solution is the cloaker has a timer - 60 minutes max, afer 60 minutes u are uncloaked for 10-15 minutes either 1/6/ or 1/4 the time the cloaker was on think of it as a cooldown timer. if youre in a cooldown period and u log off u remain in space for 5 minutes rather than 2 or if aggressed until the cooldown period expires Thoughts ?
Zaerlorth Maelkor The Maverick Navy Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.05.19 12:06:00 - [47] Originally by: Grapez How about this: When the cloak is active, you cannot see local. The chat channel is closed until you uncloak. For cloaking ratters, it means they cannot see when it is safe to uncloak. For scouts/recon pilots, it means they have to warp somewhere safe while cloaked and then momentarily uncloak to see who's in local. For people that sit AFK cloaked all day, it means that they cannot gather any useful information. The cloak still maintains the 'safety' aspect that is has now, but loses a large portion of it's metagaming potential. This is actually a very interesting idea. Make covert ops cloak excempt from this, but normal cloaks on regular ships should have this drawback. ================================================== I should really get a sig.
KillinVillin Gallente Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.05.19 12:12:00 - [48] Finding a cloaker, hmm let's think, isnt there a pos module that scan's down ship's? They (CCP) could implment a skill that allows you to remotely use that module (if you have the right's to use it for your corp) The skill would allow you to find a cloaked ship with a % of decloaking it, the module would allow you to scan down ships that don't use Cov ops's cloak period. Even go to the point of when it finds it it's can be seen in the solar system map(f10 sloarsystem map see target warp to) open up the scanner and (add a button to decloak or target ship) so it looses cloak and can't recloak. Call the skill Advanced Scan Warefare
Edwardteach	Posted - 2008.05.19 12:16:00 - [49] my titan would be worthless(dead) with out a cloak
Drizit Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.19 12:18:00 - [50] Edited by: Drizit on 19/05/2008 12:18:39 I presume the OP can't find that elusive ratter that hides under cloak every time the OP enters the system Removing cloaks will really choke Empire space. It's the only way half the highsec players will go to lowsec or nullsec. Also, you kill off Stealth Bombers unless you propose to allow them to use Covert cloaks and warp while cloaked which would be appropriate since they are classified under the listing of Covert ships. NO... SERIOUSLY! -- Freighters need a tank
KillinVillin Gallente Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.05.19 12:24:00 - [51] Originally by: Edwardteach my titan would be worthless(dead) with out a cloak If your outa your element,(your home system with sov) or in enemy systems you should be able to get scaned down.
Baron Erique Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.05.19 12:28:00 - [52] I want a little boost for my Helios, actually. I'm tired of not being able to change probes while cloaked. How does that even make sense? It's like a submarine not being able to change torpedoes while submerged.
Seph Res PPN United Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.05.19 12:29:00 - [53] tbh: cloakings are ok on their dedicated roles of ships like : stealthbombers, recons, covops, blackops probably i would allow cloaks on capitals too, but today everyone and their mothers fit cloaks even on ceptors, noobships, bs, hacs, usw. suggestion: cpu penalty, make ships that are not intended to cloak able to fit it, but reduce the overall cpu output from the ship to 50% of its original value, problem solved
Ordon Gundar Caldari Kingfisher Industries	Posted - 2008.05.19 12:49:00 - [54] Just sounds like "Waa Waa..ships I cant see keep hurting me..waa waa!" Fly fast..Rats Die..Buy Low..Sell High
Jack Gilligan Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.05.19 13:01:00 - [55] Edited by: Jack Gilligan on 19/05/2008 13:02:17 Simply put, cloaking should have a high cost when used on ships not meant to fit them. On non purpose built cloakers they should have a cycle time and cap cost that scales up to the size of the ship, so that it's not possible to remain cloaked more than a few minutes at MOST. Furthermore, a battleship that remains cloaked will decloak with no cap, thus rendering it defenseless. Stealth bombers, recons, covert ops, black ops would be exempt from this cap drain as their power systems/structures are designed to minimize cloaking power use. I do fly bombers and covert ops, but with good cloaking skills (and the T2 cloak) it's kind of ridiculous how easy it is to throw one on a Raven or Drake and use effectively. My opinions are my own and do not reflect those of my corporation or alliance.
b1zz	Posted - 2008.05.19 13:07:00 - [56] Originally by: Seph Res but today everyone and their mothers fit cloaks even on ceptors, noobships, bs, hacs, usw. And that's the problem. The question is, does anyone not have a cloak? The stealth/recon career is meaningless because everyone is stealthed. CCP needs to compensate for the popularity by bumping up the requirements or something. There's a stealthed Caldari around every corner, or there would be if they weren't all invisible .
OffBeaT	Posted - 2008.05.19 13:17:00 - [57] Originally by: PwnzDeLeOwnz Originally by: Shadow Joy If only I had a raven setup to post.... My Raven was equipped with the following: HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I 01 x HYDRAULIC BAY THRUSTER I this setup is for what again.. combat?
NeoNeTiC Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.05.19 13:27:00 - [58] Can't be bothered to read any replies but I agree with the OP. I don't want to see perma-cloaking NPCers anymore, unless they fly a Cov-Ops or a Recon. Heavily penalize cloaks on non-cloaking-bonussed ships or simply add a 90% penalty to scan-resolution and locking-range for all cloaks but the cov-ops ones. :O Wanna go afk? Go safespot and hope they don't probe. Or log. The agression timer is still running and you have to emergency log because your daughter had an accident? You're a sick ** for worrying about losing a virtual asset instead of just running the ** to where you're really needed. This concludes my opinion on this matter. Happy hiding, NeoNeTiC [MORTS]-Prober
Ipos	Posted - 2008.05.19 13:40:00 - [59] Originally by: Akita T Dramatisation : " tl;dr " Haha, thanks .. I needed that ^^
Syniztur Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.19 13:54:00 - [60] Ok, explain how 'someone going into cloak and then going AFK for hours' actually affects you? I mean WTF people? You are really crying for a nerf on cloaks because somebody went AFK? Are your serious? That is the most stupid thing I've ever heard! "seriously...." What basis have you for any of this? I hope you have a glass belly button so you can see where you are going, because your head is obviously so far up your arse! LOCK this stupid thread. This is ridiculous. -------------------------------------------------- \| Do unto others, before they can do unto you! \| --------------------------------------------------

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