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Landrae
Sinners Among Saints
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Posted - 2012.03.06 08:50:00 -
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Just picked up my midnight release copy its installing. Anyone already played? What do you think so far?
My cow collapsed, and now there's a human to animal infection outbreak among illegal immigrants. |

Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC 0ccupational Hazzard
48
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Posted - 2012.03.06 11:24:00 -
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The game is good, this post is bad and your character is ugly Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country. |

Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
236
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Posted - 2012.03.06 12:02:00 -
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******** staggered release dates.......................... |

Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.03.06 12:41:00 -
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Proxy those nasy release dates awayyyyyyy  FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! |

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
1972
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Posted - 2012.03.06 12:43:00 -
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I've seen a few recent youtube videos complaining about the sucky ending, but no one spells out what the problem is. Any ME fan know what the fuss is about? |

Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
121
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Posted - 2012.03.06 14:51:00 -
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Probably NSFW |

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
263
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Posted - 2012.03.07 00:27:00 -
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Still that ol' space-toy space flight. Lame. |

Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
329
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Posted - 2012.03.07 02:22:00 -
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What?
wha ... Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |

stoicfaux
767
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Posted - 2012.03.07 03:49:00 -
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http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-3/user-reviews Positive: 143 Mixed: 18 Negative: 498
WTF? Either someone is gaming the metacritic user reviews, or ME3 has real issues?
By comparison, ME2 had 1,050 positive, 56 mixed, and 80 negative user reviews. ME1 had 584 positive, 29 mixed, and 40 negative.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
74
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Posted - 2012.03.07 04:39:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-3/user-reviews Positive: 143 Mixed: 18 Negative: 498
WTF? Either someone is gaming the metacritic user reviews, or ME3 has real issues?
By comparison, ME2 had 1,050 positive, 56 mixed, and 80 negative user reviews. ME1 had 584 positive, 29 mixed, and 40 negative.
edit: Never mind. It looks like metacritic is being trolled.
Well, the game is ****, fact is that Bioware does not even try anymore!
But at least they spent record money on PR, buying reviews and even taking down metacritic to lock and remove user submitted reviews of the game, even some youtube reviews that were negative got taken down due to "copyright" claim made by EA. |
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Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
140
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Posted - 2012.03.07 09:03:00 -
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ok, so i'm dog sitting and it's not going well. i want to be playing me3 but this mutt won't leave me alone. I'm about ready to make general tso's out of him.
not far into the game, just toured the normandy for the first time, here are my observations so far:
-thus far great blend of action and story. i like a story heavy game. we'll see if it does the one thing you must on a story heavy game, make it interesting and loooooong
-great blend of old characters and new. i can already tell by the subtle details that they put thought into making it both nostalgic and new. def. gives the game good momentum in an already fast paced beginning.
-ashley got hot. i don't mean a little hot, i mean wowzers! i had to edit my perfect paragon save to include her and not kaiden after seeing those previews. and I'm glad I did.
As I stood in that hospital room, my heart strings ready to break, I realized something. Gripping the Tennyson book I'd just purchased for Ashley, at the brink of tears I said to myself, "this is one epic rack".
We're talking an 11/10 here. All of earth is dying and all I know is this chick is so spot on fit if it's all I am I'll see it that she survives. Should our cities burn, our monuments crumble and our species be snuffed like so small a candle in a large darkness... there would be that one lasting ember lit. A pin point of light in the darkness. That light would be Ashley's bountiful tracks of land. I swore myself guardian of them and their gravity defying illustriousness. I thought to myself, I'd put a bullet through my own foot for one chance to... ahem.Hmmm. Where was I? I got a bit off track there.
-what did they do to the layout of my ship? meh, I'll live
-Is it just me, or is everyone gay? Not as in a juvenile mockery of something different than me, I mean actually gay. I've met like 15 people so far in this game and, well I don't want to be that person I don't have a problem with it, but seriously I did perceive a couple "We're here, ..." moments, possibly. But that's still cool. Forget I said anything, moving on...
-ok, I'm going to say it. Is anyone checking green cards down here in the shuttle bay?
i'm not saying that to be mean, but I would like to ask EA why they sequestered the only non-alien ethnics to the shuttle bay. yeah, that's two in a row for me but really I'm not intolerant. Just trying to honestly review this game here. besides 'pendejo' I didn't write the lines ea did. so mr. jerseyshore, or mr. vega or whatever can't blame me for the image that... yeah, i'm just digging myself deeper. moving on...
all joking aside after da2 i want to hate these guys. i tried to swear to myself i'd pirate this game and only pay if it proved to be really good, but it's mass effect. who am i kidding?
i'm getting giddy playing this game. it seems to have the appropriate polish it should. the right amount of old and new. it's too early to tell but so far i'm pleased with my purchase.
we'll see how it does in the long game. time to batten down the hatches, i'll see you all and the rest of civilization in a week. it's time to save earf. |

Victor Valka
Endoxa Corporation
16
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Posted - 2012.03.07 13:37:00 -
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Jhagiti Tyran wrote:******** staggered release dates... Pretty much this.
Who came up with that BS, anyways?
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Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
230
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Posted - 2012.03.07 14:52:00 -
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Victor Valka wrote:Jhagiti Tyran wrote:******** staggered release dates... Pretty much this. Who came up with that BS, anyways?
Marketing, the source of all genius.
Played few hours yesterday and so far it's been much better than I expected. If they keep this up I'll be a very, very satisfied customer. Had to stop playing for a bit as I was laughing so much when I got punched by you-know-who lol.
Import saves only allowed me to pick one of my 4 saves tough, but as it was my favourite I don't really care that much. FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! Louis's epic skill guide v1.1 |

Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.03.07 15:53:00 -
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Okay this is very important guys, because I just finished Mass Effect 3 and I'm wondering whether or not I should tell you all but what the ****, it pissed me off.
Mass Effect 3 has the worst ending in the history of all media and creativity, even the bible is better.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |

Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
790
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Posted - 2012.03.08 02:41:00 -
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EA has succeeded in utterly ruining Bioware. There is absolutely no merit to be found in this game, and it is a crime against all things good and pure in this world that gamers are allowing EA to get away with this sort of thing by continuing to give them money. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Pulgy
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
51
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Posted - 2012.03.08 02:42:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Okay this is very important guys, because I just finished Mass Effect 3 and I'm wondering whether or not I should tell you all but what the ****, it pissed me off.
Mass Effect 3 has the worst ending in the history of all media and creativity, even the bible is better, it has actually managed to make it so I won't even play games that EA have gone near now nevermind buy them, in case you're wondering, they're going to franchise the crap out of this game because of how successful it is and turn it into an MMORPG I can see it coming.
What are you talking about, Deus EX ending was awesome...wait No range? No problem!Join the Church of the Holy BlasterGäó . A Hybrid religion. |

Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
790
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Posted - 2012.03.08 03:19:00 -
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Pulgy wrote:What are you talking about, Deus EX ending was awesome...wait
Deus Ex's endings? Funny you should say that, actually...
(The linked URL contains unhidden spoilers for Mass Effect 3's ending. Not that you should actually care, but... well. Consider youself duly warned) Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.03.08 03:27:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Okay this is very important guys, because I just finished Mass Effect 3 and I'm wondering whether or not I should tell you all but what the ****, it pissed me off.
Mass Effect 3 has the worst ending in the history of all media and creativity, even the bible is better, it has actually managed to make it so I won't even play games that EA have gone near now nevermind buy them, in case you're wondering, they're going to franchise the crap out of this game because of how successful it is and turn it into an MMORPG I can see it coming.
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You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.03.08 10:26:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Valei Khurelem wrote:Okay this is very important guys, because I just finished Mass Effect 3 and I'm wondering whether or not I should tell you all but what the ****, it pissed me off.
Mass Effect 3 has the worst ending in the history of all media and creativity, even the bible is better, it has actually managed to make it so I won't even play games that EA have gone near now nevermind buy them, in case you're wondering, they're going to franchise the crap out of this game because of how successful it is and turn it into an MMORPG I can see it coming. Madden NFL 2003Mass Effect Madden NFL 2004Mass Effect 2 Madden NFL 2005Mass Effect 3 Madden NFL 06Mass Effect 2013 Madden NFL 07Mass Effect 2014 Madden NFL 08Mass Effect 2015 Madden NFL 09Mass Effect 2016 Madden NFL 10Mass Effect 17 Madden NFL 11Mass Effect 18 Madden NFL 12Mass Effect 19 Madden NFL 13Mass Effect 20
Precisely and the sad fact is people are going to buy them all, the worst part is they even trolled us by not revealing Tali's face! :(
Oh you forgot Mass Effect: The return of the reapers MMORPG, they'll make us all make generic, boring and stupid characters where we have to pay to have proper customisation and you go off fighting giant reapers wherever they appear in the galaxy.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |

Gavin DeVries
JDI Industries
41
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Posted - 2012.03.08 14:33:00 -
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I haven't reached the end yet, and I really like it so far, but a couple of things have pissed me off about it.
First, the "grand choices" that could have made such an impact have no impact at all. Even the choice to destroy or keep the collector base seems to make zero difference in the way the game plays out. If you really want choice to impact the play of the game, go play The Witcher 2.
Second, some of the scripted sequences have me raging. One takes place in a cutscene, so I can sort of understand it. An assassin is trying to kill the Salarian Councilor, your three-man team is there plus Thane, and all they do is SHOOT AT HIM! My Shepard is a Vanguard, and I had Liara and the synthetic (who I won't name as it's a spoiler) with me. They all have REALLY potent biotic or tech abilities, and NOBODY USED ANY OF THEM! Later you actually have to fight that assassin in game. I had him beaten, shields down, Pull and Singularity incoming, and the game decided that he won and started another cutscene. Ok, if the script decides I lose the fight, fine. Just make it so I CAN'T FREAKING WIN THE FIGHT! MAKE HIM BEAT ME! MAKE HIM SO TOUGH YOU GET OVERWHELMED! To have him down and still decide I lose is just insulting.
Overall I think you guys are right. I think Bioware is done for, unless they can break their association with EA. EA is a poison that kills everything they touch. PVP is a question with no single right answer, but a lot of wrong ones. |
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Liam Mirren
322
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Posted - 2012.03.08 16:08:00 -
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Bad story progression, bad voice acting (this time it spread out to the support characters, not just Shepard) and timing, bland/slick soulless graphics. Obviously rushed lacking good quality control.
Verdict: going down the drain Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |

Klown Walk
Black Rebel Rifter Club
43
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Posted - 2012.03.08 19:20:00 -
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The ending made me regret playing the game. |

Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.03.08 20:15:00 -
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Klown Walk wrote:The ending made me regret playing the game.
SPOILERS ALERT:
What sucks for me most is how they didn't show any of what happened after all that, they managed to make every single choice you made in the previous games completely pointless, I was a paragon Shepard that I had saved since Mass Effect 1, the only awesome part was when all the races and I mean all of them came to help. After that though everything just felt extremely generic and linear, I know why they did this but it still pisses me off.
Also, for some reason I can't understand Thane died in my save, then you had Miranda being pointlessly killed off with no way to save her, you also had Kelly Chambers being killed off and it just didn't make any sense! WTF?! I thought my choices were supposed to be affecting the game!
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |

Gavin DeVries
JDI Industries
42
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Posted - 2012.03.08 21:15:00 -
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Miranda lived in mine, not really sure why. It might be because I took a renegade interrupt and blew her father away. Thane died (from his illness) and Kelly apparently did (not shown in game, you just overhear a conversation about it). I just finished the game.
LAME!
They're right, the ending sucks. Separate the game into two pieces, the very ending from the point where you take the beam up to the Catalyst, and everything prior to that. The prior stuff is nice, the ending just sucks. Here, have 3 strange and ultimately unsatisfying choices, and you get to pick between them with no information about what's going to happen. Hell, the original Deus Ex people have compared it to (with justice, I admit now that I've experienced the ending here) gave you the goals in advance. You got contact by Morgan Everett who wanted you to kill Bob Page but leave the equipment intact to use, then Tracer who wants you to destroy the communications hub so technology won't have a global reach, and then finally Helios wants you to remove his uplink locks and allow him to merge with you. You know they're coming, and you get some discussions with people about them to help figure out which way you want to go. Hell, even the earlier philosophical conversation with Morpheus was interesting, and a bit of foreshadowing.
From the way the game played out, I expected two choices at the end: go with the Illusive Man's plan and control the Reapers, or just use it to destroy them. The way they did it, and the third choice they added, were just stupid.
Do I regret playing the game? No. But I think I am done with the series, and am going to have to think before I buy any Bioware titles in the future. I really don't like the way they've been going since they sold out to EA. First Dragon Age II and all the shortcuts they took (how many times can we go to the SAME GODDAMN CAVE) and now this. PVP is a question with no single right answer, but a lot of wrong ones. |

Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.03.09 09:02:00 -
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Quote: From the way the game played out, I expected two choices at the end: go with the Illusive Man's plan and control the Reapers, or just use it to destroy them. The way they did it, and the third choice they added, were just stupid.
Yep it didn't make sense to me either that they represented anderson as 'evil', somehow they also managed to tie in destroying the reapears with 'destroying all synthetics' where the **** does that make any sense whatsoever? The whole leadup was about shepard forgiving synthetics and working with EDI and Legion!
It doesn't make any sense! It's like someone had a really detailed plan on what was going to happen in the third game then they got booted from it and some moron took over instead, in fact, knowing EA I wouldn't be surprised if that's what happened.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |

Sin Pew
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.03.09 15:29:00 -
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That's no surprise, I find the game a tad better than what I expected so far (haven't been very far yet), but it's obvious all Bioware franchises are doomed since EA took over. If in doubt... PANIC! Support Two Step for CSM! |

Valei Khurelem
419
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Posted - 2012.03.09 17:12:00 -
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Sin Pew wrote:That's no surprise, I find the game a tad better than what I expected so far (haven't been very far yet), but it's obvious all Bioware franchises are doomed since EA took over.
Sad but true :( I should've known better.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |

Vel Tora
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.09 18:38:00 -
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I will always remember Mass Effect 1 fondly. I hope another development and writing team can capture the spirit of that game again one day. But at this point I would honestly like to forget that the two sequels ever existed. Since ME1 and the first KOTOR, the Bioware RPG team has fallen on their face when it comes to story writing and game making. ME3 left me feeling like I was drug through a bad Russian tragedy with no real ability to make an impact as the player. Worse yet, they seem to have intentionally tanked the whole series story with the ending...
For a company that supposedly values story, they have fallen out of touch. It even shows in SWTOR. The ME3 gameplay falters, the story stinks, the love they used to show their work just isn't there. I won't call it the worst game ever, only very disappointing to the series fans. Bioware simply isn't the same company they used to be and get no more of my money outside potential bargain bin expenditures when I am truly bored. |

Arcosian
Alien Ship Builders Caedite Eos
17
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Posted - 2012.03.10 00:54:00 -
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Well I think the best indication of how ME3 ended is best described by the now 600 page threadnought filled with tears, rage, and heartbreak over the endings. And if it was possible to shoot the Citadel with the Normandy in protest I have no doubt it would be ash by now. 
Personally, I love the ME series and loved ME3 up until the last 5 mins of gameplay. Sure it had a few bugs here and there and some of the dialogue was pretty cheesy but overall it was a hell of an adventure not to mention an emotional roller coaster as many of the characters we come to love "go out in a blaze of glory for the greater good."
I do have a major problem with the Day 1 DLC. I mean sure the Prothean isn't essential to the game but without him you will be missing out on a lot of back-story dealing with the Reapers and the Protheans and not to mention one of the best weapons in the game. I think it was wrong of EA to charge an additional $10 on top of the game for the DLC when it came out at launch. I guess their executives need some new $1000 pants.
The main and only problem I had was with the endings. I almost feel like Bioware/EA either made 3 exactly the same crappy endings for the sole reason to **** off the playerbase enough to charge them $10-15 for an alternate ending DLC pack a few weeks down the line or the CEOs got together and were like "You know we should make the ME3 ending ourselves."
There are also a few other glaring plot holes, cannon errors, and general WTF moments in the game I have listed some major ones below.
[WARNING SPOILERS AHEAD]
What really irked me about the endings starts off with the Guardian.
1. The Guardian (aka General Reaper) "lives" on the Citadel yet the Reapers had no idea the Citadel and Crucible had to be combined until the illusive man told them.
2. The Guardian "protects" organics from developing synthetic life and causing their own (organics) destruction by killing them with synthetic life. Yeah that's logical.
3. The Guardian is millions of years old yet we can't ask him any questions or persuade him to stop the Reapers and give synthetic/organic cooperation a chance (Geth/Quarian).
4. Your choices throughout all the games really have no sway in your final decision and you were left to "pick a color" resulting in 3 greatly conflicting outcomes with the persona of your CMDR Shepard. I mean you can choose either renegade, paragon or "neutral" endings despite your affiliation with everyone and it would have no impact on the ending.
5. Most of the galaxy's military fleet is now stranded at a decimated Earth when the mass relays are destroyed. Where would everyone go now that they are at least XXX years from home if they traveled at FTL. Not to mention in the ME2 DLC "Arrival" the destruction of a mass relay would be supernova scale...maybe we could overlook this since they were destroyed by the Citadel?
6. Some of the characters in your party obviously get killed by the Reaper right before you get to the transport beam leading to the Citadel yet they somehow end up on the Normandy jumping through a mass relay and end up crashing into an unknown planet when the energy wave hits!?!?!
7. In the "secret" ending scene we see Shepard take a breath despite the room he was standing in getting vaporized...in space...
8. The Guardian says if you choose the ending where you destroy the Reapers and all synthetic life (Renegade) you would die too since you were part synthetic. This also means EDI, the recently saved Geth and anyone that had a cybernetic implant (which seems to be most everyone in the galaxy) would die. Awesome choice since I played paragon
[END of SPOILERS]
When I got to the end I felt cheated and trolled by Bioware and EA by the 3 half-assed endings. And some of their Devs have claimed "great stuff is coming for ME" which if I had to guess about the future plans for ME I would guess a ton of pay for DLC, a prequel since nothing can come of the now decimated present/future and possibly (god please no) a Mass Effect MMO |

mama guru
Evolution
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Posted - 2012.03.10 09:09:00 -
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The ending was great. I seriously love this game, people are mad at it for all the wrong reasons. The ending was good from a storytelling/scifi perspective but bad as far as an RPG ending goes due to the lack of variation
Why? Some spoilers and brainstorming, and it will be a handfull
TL;DR version
The reapers won. The catalyst was the master AI of the reapers and it got to determine the course of organic life by destroying the mass relays. The normandy got sent to some other planet when they got hit by the crucible shockwave essentially repopulating that world with a new multi race civilization where they tell the legend of shepard. There are probably other survivors on other worlds with similar stories, maybe a bit less shepard centric
Where did shepard take the reapers as he controlled them? Nobody knows for sure. The catalyst seemed sure that destroying the mass relays wont be the end of FTL or synthetics even if you destroy the reapers. The whole point of the ending was to make sure that while shepard had accomplished what no organic before him had, he was out of his league all the damn time and every choise he ever made was irrelevant to the fact that he was the one who made it there
It means he did not have an option once he reached the catalyst. The reapers had prevented that from the very beginning because of the relay network and civilizations dependance on the mass effect phenomena
Long version, for those who ponder on the ending
1) Time is established as cyclical, not linear. The Reapers understand this but they also know there are always variations to concider as the catalyst states. The catalyst mention "Chaos" but this does not mean blood for the blood god. It probably means the reapers belive life might end and stay that way if left unchecked
2) The catalyst was probably the leader of the first synthetic civilization(the reapers) to rebel against their organic creators. They destroyed all advanced civilization in their time and either used leftover mass effect technology or developed it to control the circumstances of advanced organic civilizations after they initiated the cycles of extinction. Sovereign established that the reapers created the relays and citadel which implied they developed the technology aswell. It is possible that other forms of FTL are possible (wormholes and such) but that the reapers wanted that to be kept hidden. EDI's speculations in the cockpit kinda points in this direction
3) The catalyst likely always wanted to protect organic life from synthetic "chaos" by using the reaper extinction cycle protocol to prevent synthetic life from advancing far enough to end all life. They basically belive that it's worth culling organics to prevent them from developing synthetics strong enough to wipe out all life in the galaxy. Remember that there is no moral point to make for the reapers, aslong as life CAN exist they will glady cull the galaxy of advanced organics every now and then to prevent other synthetics from wiping it all out
4) The Reapers are infinate, But they realise noting is certain. Eventually something is garantueed to go wrong (Shepard). The reapers have already made sure the most likely cenario is a sucessful completeion and deployment of the crucible because of their usage of mass effect technology to control the circumstances of FTL able civilisations
5) The crucible is the culmination of organic life and it's desire to continue to exist outside of a set framework like the reapers and their cycle. Once shepard made it to the citadel and killed the illusive man the catalyst gave up and let shepard end the reaper cycles once and for all but an added side effect was a probable end to mass effect technology
6) Civlisation got reset with the destruction of the mass relays. No house for Tali, no little blue children. Sorry, but the reapers are gone which leaves the question as to where shepard took them if he became the new catalyst instead of destroying them. He could probably rebuild the mass relays and the citadel with the reapers under his control, eventually life will as the catalyst warned find a way
In short the ending satisfied me as a sci fi enthus
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EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's too hard you are too weak. |
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Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.03.10 09:31:00 -
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Wait a minute, I just realised one of the most ridiculous flaws with the Mass Effect 3 storyline, if they knew that reapers had come through the Citadel why didn't they just evacuate everyone on the station and then blow it up? WTF? Now Mass Effect storyline seems even more stupid to me than before!
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |

Brazero
0
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Posted - 2012.03.10 11:53:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-3/user-reviews Positive: 143 Mixed: 18 Negative: 498
WTF? Either someone is gaming the metacritic user reviews, or ME3 has real issues?
By comparison, ME2 had 1,050 positive, 56 mixed, and 80 negative user reviews. ME1 had 584 positive, 29 mixed, and 40 negative.
edit: Never mind. It looks like metacritic is being trolled.
Looks about right to me. ME 3 is very short, the ending is stupid, and they added a few americano psycho moments that the game really didn't need.
I am very dissapointed, and I don't think I ever gonna play that crap again. |

Gavin DeVries
JDI Industries
43
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Posted - 2012.03.10 18:28:00 -
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Yeah, the "Guardian" didn't strike me as very logical either. Plus there are things they either didn't answer or just left out. Examples:
After meeting Tali the second time in ME2, I though the mystery about the sun of the planet Haestrom was going to turn out to be a big thing. They didn't even mention it in this one.
According to the Codex notes in ME2, the Turians secretly salvaged a lot of the pieces of Sovereign, trying to reverse engineer as much of it as they could. This quickly resulted in the development of the Thanix cannon, which you mount on the Normandy. Why haven't most of the ships of the various galactic navies been refitted with Thanix cannons instead of mass accelerators?
And for me this is a big one. The inference I took from ME2 is that the Reaper vessels, being almost grown from a mix of organic tissue and mechanized parts, take on the appearance of the species whose organic material is used to "grow" the ship. So why is it that we never see any Reapers that have any look aside from the crustacean appearance of Sovereign? There should be different looks for every galactic harvest that has happened before. PVP is a question with no single right answer, but a lot of wrong ones. |

2bhammered
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I love it when I read things such as -
"but the end of BioWare's epic tale continues to evolve the boundaries of story-telling and moral choice to maddening heights." - by Garnett Lee, Mar 06, 2012 4:15pm PST @ Shacknews.com |

Vel Tora
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.10 19:36:00 -
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The most telling thing about the reviews at Meta-Critic and, indeed online in general, is the stark discrepancy between the paid professional reviewer scores and those from actual players. In many cases, I have been wondering who actually played the game and who was clearly bought off in the pro ranks. I have gotten to where I always put my faith in lots of player reviews rather than supposed pro ones now. |

mama guru
Evolution
26
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Posted - 2012.03.10 23:22:00 -
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Vel Tora wrote:The most telling thing about the reviews at Meta-Critic and, indeed online in general, is the stark discrepancy between the paid professional reviewer scores and those from actual players. In many cases, I have been wondering who actually played the game and who was clearly bought off in the pro ranks. I have gotten to where I always put my faith in lots of player reviews rather than supposed pro ones now.
The actual players are just pissed they didnt get their rainbows and sunshine ending. As a whole mass effect 3 was awesome, i definately understand why people are upset at the ending but i personally disagree with their reasons. ______
EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's too hard you are too weak. |

2bhammered
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Posted - 2012.03.10 23:56:00 -
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mama guru wrote:Vel Tora wrote:The most telling thing about the reviews at Meta-Critic and, indeed online in general, is the stark discrepancy between the paid professional reviewer scores and those from actual players. In many cases, I have been wondering who actually played the game and who was clearly bought off in the pro ranks. I have gotten to where I always put my faith in lots of player reviews rather than supposed pro ones now. The actual players are just pissed they didnt get their rainbows and sunshine ending. As a whole mass effect 3 was awesome, i definately understand why people are upset at the ending but i personally disagree with their reasons.
No that is not the only reason at all. There are several reasons as to why and one of the biggest reasons is because the game is ****. Just because you dress up and market the **** out of something does not make it a better or even more entertaining game than something for free on the iPhone.
Sales numbers also reflect that, Skyrim did 6million+ in the first 48 hours, ME3 did 800k+.
The media and gaming journalism is out of touch with the consumer it is not even funny. If Transformers 3 was a video-game it would have received all 10's, that should tell you something.
Watch this keynote at DICE and get a hint as to why games like ME are not only stupid but bad for the industry!
SWTOR, DA2 and ME2 & 3 are perfect examples of bad games where the focus of what makes a great game has been lost. |

Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
84
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Posted - 2012.03.11 00:36:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:mama guru wrote:Vel Tora wrote:The most telling thing about the reviews at Meta-Critic and, indeed online in general, is the stark discrepancy between the paid professional reviewer scores and those from actual players. In many cases, I have been wondering who actually played the game and who was clearly bought off in the pro ranks. I have gotten to where I always put my faith in lots of player reviews rather than supposed pro ones now. The actual players are just pissed they didnt get their rainbows and sunshine ending. As a whole mass effect 3 was awesome, i definately understand why people are upset at the ending but i personally disagree with their reasons. No that is not the only reason at all. There are several reasons as to why and one of the biggest reasons is because the game is ****. Just because you dress up and market the **** out of something does not make it a better or even more entertaining game than something for free on the iPhone. Sales numbers also reflect that, Skyrim did 6million+ in the first 48 hours, ME3 did 800k+. The media and gaming journalism is out of touch with the consumer it is not even funny. If Transformers 3 was a video-game it would have received all 10's, that should tell you something. Watch this keynote at DICE and get a hint as to why games like ME are not only stupid but bad for the industry!SWTOR, DA2 and ME2 & 3 are perfect examples of bad games where the focus of what makes a great game has been lost. Even games like KOTOR and Jade Empire are bad, they age terrible and the reason is because the game-play sucks. Anyone can pick up super Mario today and play it, try picking up KOTOR today and suffer. You are better of reading the story or watching a Let's play youtube vid. But in all honesty, if you did that you would come to compare it to a well written book or a great movie and realize that the game is worse than a comic-book. Here is another great example of using the games media correctly.Here is some interesting data about how much people give a **** about story or perhaps story hurts gameplay?!Makes me think Modern Warfare got the right idea, same with Nintendo when it comes to story.
On a sidenote, i think ME1 aged rather well so far.
It's ME2/DA2 where it got ugly for Bioware, where they lost their focus. |

Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
84
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Posted - 2012.03.11 00:38:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Wait a minute, I just realised one of the most ridiculous flaws with the Mass Effect 3 storyline, if they knew that reapers had come through the Citadel why didn't they just evacuate everyone on the station and then blow it up? WTF? Now Mass Effect storyline seems even more stupid to me than before!
The citadel was a convenience for the reapers. They came back to the galaxy without mass relays anyway, it just delayed them.
I'd be more interested in the mass relay that's obviously sitting somewhere outside the galaxy, where they hibernate. |

2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2012.03.11 00:53:00 -
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Reiisha wrote:
It's ME2/DA2 where it got ugly for Bioware, where they lost their focus.
True, because of more reasons than I can count on my fingers.
But This happened before those 2 games in my opinion. I for one got so bored and frustrated with the game-play of Mass Effect 1 that I never finished it. I think it started with the car stuff on planets...
You know how many people that finished Bioware games like Baldur's Gate all the way up to Mass Effect using cheats? Even on their first play-through? We are talking about close to 100% here, from the small cheat to giving you a ton of in-game money all the way up to god-mode. When such a massive amount of people resort to cheating in order to just play the game it makes you wonder. People remember the story in Baldur's Gate, not the D&D engine game-play. Try to play that today, also all their games even ME3 are riddled with glitches. Every single game they have released have had game breaking bugs and issues solved by cheats, console commands and mods + patches.
Even some of their devs have gone on record wanting to skip all game-play in their games and just experience the story. In ME3 you got "story mode" game-play. Pay 60 dollars for a worse movie experience than most of what Hollywood makes.
Bioware, EA and many others have this notion of gaming being about taking movies and adding game-play to them. That the video-game is suppose to replace movies and books... I saw the press conference EA had on this years GDC for their new Sim City game called "game industry changer". It is about making people aware of global warming, green house effects and clean energy while at the same time offering tons of day 1 DLC and digital deluxe editions with a Hollywood director talking about gaming giving us a message similar to what Al Gores movie did.... |
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2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.11 00:54:00 -
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Forums ate my post... |

Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
84
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Posted - 2012.03.11 01:02:00 -
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ME1 is Bioware at it's best, imho. Mako or not (i like it personally tbh), it feels the most alive and most cohesive of any Bioware game i've ever played aside from Baldur's Gate 2. It still looks good aswell, with proper and consistent art direction and levels that don't feel like corridors even though they are - A very good thing.
DA:O was where Bioware started showing some cracks. The hilarious sex scenes not included, they leaned far too heavily on the story structure of Kotor and ME. The game overall was pretty decent and in the right view it felt like a new Baldur's Gate, but something was missing...
It's ME2/DA2 where it got ugly for Bioware, where they lost their focus. The mass-market bug caught up in the form of EA. DA2 was dumbed down beyond belief, so was ME2. There were still some good points in both (one more than the other...) but the corporate machine called EA/Bioware was born, no turning back. The games lacked focus and were designed with consoles in mind, rather than developing it somewhat ambiguously for all platforms. ME1 and DA:O were FANTASTIC PC games - DA2 and ME2 were not.
---Spoilers!---
Now with ME3.... The rushed game design, tired art direction and schizophrenic writing has caught up in full force. It has good things. The main story had a good structure right up untill the end. It was motivating over the whole, but it was riddled with little annoyances that grew bigger and bigger (especially where combat is concerned) - The gameplay felt like it was balanced and designed for the odd multiplayer addon rather than singleplayer goodness. Flat areas, loads of chest high walls - Technically, the levels were decent, for the most part. The actual level design however was not.
The Geth dreadnought was awesome, right up untill the chesthigh walls started AGAIN. Even the ME2 Geth interiors were vastly superior. Palaven's moon was pretty cool right up untill the entire terrain was riddled with chest high walls.... The cave where you rescue the Rachni queen looked like it was from the 90's. Why did HL2ep2's caves look so much better? They even had the same theme for crying out loud.
And then we get to the major issue... Player choice.
You got to decide a lot of things in the first 2 games.
None of which mattered AT ALL in the third. They were reduced to side missions and some number in some chart. Nothing else. Other things got retconned outside of the game between me2 and 3 (like Anderson/Udina for councillor) which made things feel even more forced and contrived, not to mention a complete breach of character for Udina.
TIM could have had such a great backstory. Instead he's just another indoctrinated pawn. The theories went around that he could be a renegade reaper or an avatar of an older generation... Or he truly had some other goal in mind. Now he's just another bad guy.
The reapers should never have been explained. They don't need it! They could have just been killed off and that's that - We'd never know any better and it would retain the elegant mystique around their origins. The citadel would have things to discover still, especially when the reapers would be no longer... A perfect jumping point for a spinoff game. The crucible would be exactly what has been said in the game, plans for a weapon passed on from cycle to cycle and improved by all those races.
The Protheans should not have been revealed like Javik. They too lost a lot of their mystique. Some things are better left unknown! Good questions are better than bad answers.
The guardian... Yeah, screw you Bioware. Worst plot twist ever, worst timing for one ever. Even Pariah's ending felt better for crying out loud and that one was BAD. The endings having no bearing whatsoever on anything you've seen or done in the previous games, or even this one. It comes out of nowhere and introduces completely new concepts that have nothing to do with what the story has been about.
ME3.... Left a very sour taste in my mouth. All the fun i had with it has been flushed down the drain once i saw the ending and the choices there. Everything feels so hollow now. Not in a "good bleak ending" way, but in a "bad writing ending" way. Bioware giving the finger to everyone who's stuck with the series and their own characters. They're saying they don't care anymore, they got your money and people will still buy their stuff even if they sell excrement with a Bioware badge on it.
---End of Spoiler---
It seems like the only great (big and old) development house left is Bethesda. Say what you want, horse armor or not, but at least they know what kind of game they want to make and they do it well.
After burying Blizzard a few years back, i guess it's time for a eulegy for Bioware now. Say goodbye to the people who made Baldur's Gate and Mass Effect 1, say hello to EA business suits rushing crap out of the door because so many people will buy it anyway. |

2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.11 01:41:00 -
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Well Bethesda did admit they ****** up with the horse armor, publicly apologized and they did not do it again. Just look at what they do for Skyrim in terms of mod support, PC development and patches etc. The game value for Skyrim is insane and guess what, they also made more money with Skyrim than they did with Oblivion.
However Bioware just went out in the media this week and told all gamers to STFU and go to hell for "whining" about day 1 DLC while in the same outburst bitching about sales blaming used sales... again. Another stupid thing, used sales work for every single industry in the world but gaming is an exception to these idiots.
By the way, why did Blizzard end up on your blacklist? Blizzard to me still did great by Star Craft 2 and they seem to have their priorities straight when it comes to Diablo 3 even pushing off the launch indefinitely to change a lot of things because they seem to care about making the game the best they can instead of a quick cash and grab like EA would have done. |

2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.11 02:10:00 -
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Mass Effect 3 review by "thebestgamers.net"! |

Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
237
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Posted - 2012.03.11 02:24:00 -
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The bad reviews have not stopped anyone from buying it, in fact do you remember posting:-
2bhammered wrote:I can assure you come release date ME3 will under-perform compared to previous games.
Well you where wrong, badly wrong. So far its selling twice as fast as ME2.
Before you start mashing your keys in rage and calling me a "biodrone" try to notice that I am not defending the game, I not saying its good, or bad. I have not played it yet so I won't comment.
I'm just highlighting that despite all the rage posting and calls for boycott most of the angry posters seem to have gone straight out and bought it.
Just like other boycotts. |

2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2012.03.11 02:38:00 -
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Jhagiti Tyran wrote:The bad reviews have not stopped anyone from buying it, in fact do you remember posting:- 2bhammered wrote:I can assure you come release date ME3 will under-perform compared to previous games. Well you where wrong, badly wrong. So far its selling twice as fast as ME2.Before you start mashing your keys in rage and calling me a "biodrone" try to notice that I am not defending the game, I not saying its good, or bad. I have not played it yet so I won't comment. I'm just highlighting that despite all the rage posting and calls for boycott most of the angry posters seem to have gone straight out and bought it. Just like other boycotts.
Bad reviews?? what bad reviews??? I have found one bad review on a gaming site on the whole internet, which should tell you something about the state the gaming industry and media is in, in a pool of ****.
How am I wrong? Fastest selling means little, so they marketed the crap out of it, people got fooled by bought and stupid reviews and so forth. It will just lead to more people boycotting it further on and DA2 sold faster than DAO but overall performed worse in total sales just for the record. Also a title marketed as an RPG should have had some appeal to the 10+ million consumers of Skyrim you would think but it sold less than a million.
Then you also have to take into account that it was marketed as the last part of a trilogy, even people who hate it want to see the end, kinda like people who watched Star Wars episode 3. Still, financially DA2, SWTOR and ME3 will have been bad. I know you like to argue that based on EA's own PR spins but anyone in the market will tell you that they were bad and EA is not performing well. Both the industry as a whole is in a recession and EA themselves are doing bad and will continue to greater losses. We can only hope they go bankrupt 
Seriously though, this game might have sold a million copies (at what cost???) but they have only managed to create more hatred for their products and entities not to mention gaming as a whole. Gaming is going to not only have to but will go over some major changes in the coming years, hopefully for the better or else we can be looking at the new crash.
Mass Effect 3 review by "thebestgamers.net"!
(This review is truly spot on and better objectively than all the professional reviews combined.)
edit: Checked sales, Mass Effect 1 sold 2.5 times more than ME3 on the xbox 360 alone than ME3 sold on ALL platforms. Peace! |

Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
237
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Posted - 2012.03.11 02:50:00 -
[47] - Quote
2bhammered wrote:edit: Checked sales, Mass Effect 1 sold 2.5 times more than ME3 on the xbox 360 alone than ME3 sold on ALL platforms. Peace!
So Mass Effect 3 has been taken off the shelves then? |

2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2012.03.11 03:00:00 -
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Jhagiti Tyran wrote:2bhammered wrote:edit: Checked sales, Mass Effect 1 sold 2.5 times more than ME3 on the xbox 360 alone than ME3 sold on ALL platforms. Peace! So Mass Effect 3 has been taken off the shelves then?
Right and one Friday afternoon come spring time 2014 SWTOR will start selling copies again 
Tyran, you are so bright!
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
237
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Posted - 2012.03.11 03:07:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:Jhagiti Tyran wrote:2bhammered wrote:edit: Checked sales, Mass Effect 1 sold 2.5 times more than ME3 on the xbox 360 alone than ME3 sold on ALL platforms. Peace! So Mass Effect 3 has been taken off the shelves then? Right and one Friday afternoon come spring time 2014 SWTOR will start selling copies again  Tyran, you are so bright!
You obviously didn't get the sarcasm, if ME3 is still quite obviously on the shelves how can it be determined that ME1 outsold it? It cant, it didn't even get released until yesterday in some areas either. In 6-12 months it would be possible to try claim which one outsold the other, until then selling twice as fast as ME2 is the most that can be said.
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2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2012.03.11 03:35:00 -
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Jhagiti Tyran wrote:2bhammered wrote:Jhagiti Tyran wrote:2bhammered wrote:edit: Checked sales, Mass Effect 1 sold 2.5 times more than ME3 on the xbox 360 alone than ME3 sold on ALL platforms. Peace! So Mass Effect 3 has been taken off the shelves then? Right and one Friday afternoon come spring time 2014 SWTOR will start selling copies again  Tyran, you are so bright! You obviously didn't get the sarcasm, if ME3 is still quite obviously on the shelves how can it be determined that ME1 outsold it? It cant, it didn't even get released until yesterday in some areas either. In 6-12 months it would be possible to try claim which one outsold the other, until then selling twice as fast as ME2 is the most that can be said.
No, you did not get the sarcasm 
Yes it is still on the shelves, do you really believe people will buy ME3 in such great quantities in the future as to surpass ME1? Really?? Do you think a game like Mass Effect will ever be re-released on 3d in the future on Bluray disc???
Listen, I will try and make this simple for you. You see I work as an investor, video-gaming is a hobby of mine but I cannot help myself to analyze my hobbies now and again.
IE I as an investor invests in a car company, they manufacture 3.4 million cars of a certain model. They end up selling 800,000 cars is that good? How much was spent developing the car model? How much spent on marketing? How much time was spent developing? How much profit is made on each car sold for the investor? How was the manufacturers brand affected? Yeah logistics, my favorite part of business!!! 
Fact is, they made 3.4 million cars because that was the expected sale, fact that only 800k was sold is a big failure and you can trust me that someone (more than one) with a business degree in logistics will analyze why and how to prevent it from happening again and who was at fault etc. Heck if they make less than what the market wants you will also have to analyze why not enough products were made and how to improve your logistics. EA expected 3,4 million, now I cannot wait to see EA blame used sales and pirating for that discrepancy in their estimations because EA is run by morons.
Never mind, I can't be bothered anymore, you work it out!
In the meantime EA shares are on the decline.
By the way, that is not "the most that can be said", in fact I made a prediction based on good data and Bioware and EA would be in a much better state if they would have made similar predictions instead of acting like scumbags.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/10/the-problem-with-biowares-mass-effect-3-day-one-dlc-from-ashes/
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-3
You know for 60 USD + 10 USD (or 70 EURO) you could have bought and played a ton of video-games on both console, PC and smart-phones etc. ME3 GOTY (according to the gaming media) played by 1 million people while at the same time at least 1 iPhone game this year will sell more than 50 million copies and have more hours played than ME3.
http://thebestgamers.net/watchvideo.php?vid_id=asseffect3 This is a big sign screaming "hey, this game sucks in every single way!!"
It will never have longevity. |
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
237
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Posted - 2012.03.11 13:00:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:iBy the way, that is not "the most that can be said",
Fair enough, my bad. I should have added "the most that can be said at the moment". Which it is, because it is selling faster than the previous games and speculation is still speculation. Until the point in the future when significant amounts of sales stop no-one can claim which one sold the most. |

Wild Rho
Silent Core
14
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Posted - 2012.03.11 13:39:00 -
[52] - Quote
The complete lack of payoff for my decisions in the very end has really killed the replay value in the series for me. |

Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
85
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Posted - 2012.03.11 13:42:00 -
[53] - Quote
Wild Rho wrote:The complete lack of payoff for my decisions in the very end has really killed the replay value in the series for me.
This. |

Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
85
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Posted - 2012.03.11 13:59:00 -
[54] - Quote
Major spoiler alert: http://paragadeshep.tumblr.com/post/19099827322/alternate-explanation-for-the-me3-endings
But if this turns out to be true.... I will apoligize to Bioware. |

So Sensational
Ventures
10
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Posted - 2012.03.11 14:50:00 -
[55] - Quote
Why would you apologize to Bioware when it's all made up by a fan? I mean at best Bioware could say "Uh yeah... yeah guys, this is what we really intended ") |

Arcosian
Alien Ship Builders Caedite Eos
17
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Posted - 2012.03.11 15:53:00 -
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I have been following the "ending hallucination" thread on BSN and while they make some compelling arguments, I really don't think Bioware made fake endings. I think the fans are just trying to tie all the plot holes together into a fake ending as they can't grasp that Bioware just put a crappy ending on the series.
1. If they intended to make a fake ending why would they go through the trouble to make 3? With 3 somewhat different cut scenes? All ending with the whole goal of mass effect "Stop the Reapers." In all 3 Shepard sacrifices himself to stop the Reapers and protect organic life. Yes, the mass relays are destroyed and it would cause a lot of problems since the fleet would be stuck in the Sol system but life does go on as we see from the ending scene with the Stargazer telling to story to the kid.
2. Making a fake ending means everyone would have to download a DLC later so the people who don't have internet would be screwed. Not to mention they wouldn't be able to charge for it otherwise fans would be more outraged that Bioware sold them a game with the wrong ending just so you would have to pay more for the real one later. While an alternate DLC ending isn't out of the question since we saw this with Fallout I don't think it would be released specifically to replace the current ones.
3. The argument of Shepard being indoctrinated by Harbinger seems stupid to me. Why would he try to indoctrinate Shepard instead of just kill him? What purpose would it serve if the reapers hell bent on destroying all organic life? Also why try to indoctrinate him in the middle of the battle?
4. The argument that Shepard starts to turn into a husk in the synthesis and control endings because he is getting indoctrinated but not in the destroy ending doesn't make sense. He doesn't look like he turns into a husk but "burns" which makes total sense as he is "electrocuted" in one and in an energy beam in the other. In the destroy ending we don't see him die. All we see is the explosion engulf him so he could have survived.
This also makes the "secret" ending of him being alive only possible in the destroy ending as it's the only one we don't see him getting vaporized. I believe he is still on the Citadel as he is buried under rubble and it's quiet. People have been saying he woke up on the street after breaking Harbinger's hold but that doesn't make sense. He would have passed out in the middle of a warzone on the street yet it's quiet and he is buried under rubble?
5. The infinite ammo gun/dream feeling makes sense as the ending is supposed to be more cinematic and you aren't supposed to run out of ammo. And the slow motion seems to add more of a "I'm half dead and making a last stand mood."
6. People claim the Guardian tries to keep you from going to the destroy ending and killing the reapers but there is a youtube video where the player only gets the destroy ending and the Guardian says "you only have one choice." To me this shows the endings are in fact real since there is no way one can claim the reapers would indoctrinate Shepard and then get him to destroy them.
7. I really don't know what the scene with the Normandy crashing on the planet is other than bad writing. I guess it shows not everyone in your team died and is sort of an epilogue? However, it doesn't make sense that people in my team on Earth would magically appear on the Normandy flying away from battle; maybe it's just random.
All in all I think Bioware just put a bad ending on their game and people are grasping for straws to make sense of it. Granted Bioware could run with the indoctrination theory and spin the situation claiming it was their plan all along and offer a pay for DLC ending. But I hope it's not a "pony and sunshine" happy ending as I think the best way to end Mass Effect is for Shepard to sacrifice himself to save everyone not show him on a beach having a drink with his LI watching his kids run around like some people want.
As for Bioware they have been quiet since release probably due to everyone going on vacation and the major ****storm people have raised over the endings which can't be dealt with until their staff gets back. We saw something along the same lines with CCP when the NEX store hit and P2W fiasco. I bet we will hear something next week and it will either put the nail in the coffin for Mass Effect or be a "We got you so good" spin on the ending. |

2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2012.03.11 16:47:00 -
[57] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRRpGlmtws8
Requiem for EA/Bioware
All you need is one code to unlock the day 1 DLC on your disc, the DLC Bioware said was made after the game went to certification.
Seriously, people need to stop buying games with EA label on it. |

Alexandra Alerion
Endoxa Corporation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.11 23:02:00 -
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And the shippers raged! 
Just finished and liked it. Visually and gameplay-wise, this one is the best. Story-wise, eh, I preferred the first one and I'm slightly peeved by the lack of an epilogue -- something every Bioware game has always had. Was good ride otherwise. |

stoicfaux
774
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Posted - 2012.03.12 00:18:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRRpGlmtws8
Requiem for EA/Bioware
All you need is one code to unlock the day 1 DLC on your disc, the DLC Bioware said was made after the game went to certification.
Seriously, people need to stop buying games with EA label on it. Ouch, a simple regedit change is all it takes to enable the DLC?
On the positive side, it means that Bioware didn't waste a lot of time on DLC "security."
edit: I wonder how long until that workaround gets patched.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
237
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Posted - 2012.03.12 01:15:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:2bhammered wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRRpGlmtws8
Requiem for EA/Bioware
All you need is one code to unlock the day 1 DLC on your disc, the DLC Bioware said was made after the game went to certification.
Seriously, people need to stop buying games with EA label on it. Ouch, a simple regedit change is all it takes to enable the DLC? On the positive side, it means that Bioware didn't waste a lot of time on DLC "security." edit: I wonder how long until that workaround gets patched.
Unless you have a pirated copy of the game in the first place its not worth doing, EA will probably ban the Origin accounts of anyone they catch doing it. Bye-bye any games you tied to that Origin account.
I remember not so long ago when that guy got banned from actually playing Dragon Age II after his BSN account got banned because he criticised DA II on the BSN forum. I can see the same **** happening with Origin accounts now they are all tied in together. |
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.03.12 01:33:00 -
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Jhagiti Tyran wrote: Unless you have a pirated copy of the game in the first place its not worth doing, EA will probably ban the Origin accounts of anyone they catch doing it. Bye-bye any games you tied to that Origin account.
Eh, that would be an overreaction, especially to a simple regedit change. It's pretty stupid to antagonize your customers, when you can just release a patch to fix the problem and avoid the hassles and bad PR of direct confrontation.
Besides, the easier it is to get banned, the more likely it is that one day, Someone(tm) will write a piece of malware that will make it look like an Origin game was hacked which could cause EA to stupidly ban a large number of their customers.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2012.03.12 03:19:00 -
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For a reasonable publisher it would be an overreaction but we are talking about EA, they wouldn't think twice about labelling a little tweak like that as piracy and reaching for the banhammer.
I suppose it is technically piracy anyway, obtaining the use of a DLC you don't have a licence for. Decent publishers would simple fix it but you never know how EA would react. |

Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2012.03.12 07:24:00 -
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Arcosian wrote:I have been following the "ending hallucination" thread on BSN and while they make some compelling arguments, I really don't think Bioware made fake endings. I think the fans are just trying to tie all the plot holes together into a fake ending as they can't grasp that Bioware just put a crappy ending on the series.
1. If they intended to make a fake ending why would they go through the trouble to make 3? With 3 somewhat different cut scenes? All ending with the whole goal of mass effect "Stop the Reapers." In all 3 Shepard sacrifices himself to stop the Reapers and protect organic life. Yes, the mass relays are destroyed and it would cause a lot of problems since the fleet would be stuck in the Sol system but life does go on as we see from the ending scene with the Stargazer telling to story to the kid.
2. Making a fake ending means everyone would have to download a DLC later so the people who don't have internet would be screwed. Not to mention they wouldn't be able to charge for it otherwise fans would be more outraged that Bioware sold them a game with the wrong ending just so you would have to pay more for the real one later. While an alternate DLC ending isn't out of the question since we saw this with Fallout I don't think it would be released specifically to replace the current ones.
3. The argument of Shepard being indoctrinated by Harbinger seems stupid to me. Why would he try to indoctrinate Shepard instead of just kill him? What purpose would it serve if the reapers hell bent on destroying all organic life? Also why try to indoctrinate him in the middle of the battle?
4. The argument that Shepard starts to turn into a husk in the synthesis and control endings because he is getting indoctrinated but not in the destroy ending doesn't make sense. He doesn't look like he turns into a husk but "burns" which makes total sense as he is "electrocuted" in one and in an energy beam in the other. In the destroy ending we don't see him die. All we see is the explosion engulf him so he could have survived.
This also makes the "secret" ending of him being alive only possible in the destroy ending as it's the only one we don't see him getting vaporized. I believe he is still on the Citadel as he is buried under rubble and it's quiet. People have been saying he woke up on the street after breaking Harbinger's hold but that doesn't make sense. He would have passed out in the middle of a warzone on the street yet it's quiet and he is buried under rubble?
5. The infinite ammo gun/dream feeling makes sense as the ending is supposed to be more cinematic and you aren't supposed to run out of ammo. And the slow motion seems to add more of a "I'm half dead and making a last stand mood."
6. People claim the Guardian tries to keep you from going to the destroy ending and killing the reapers but there is a youtube video where the player only gets the destroy ending and the Guardian says "you only have one choice." To me this shows the endings are in fact real since there is no way one can claim the reapers would indoctrinate Shepard and then get him to destroy them.
7. I really don't know what the scene with the Normandy crashing on the planet is other than bad writing. I guess it shows not everyone in your team died and is sort of an epilogue? However, it doesn't make sense that people in my team on Earth would magically appear on the Normandy flying away from battle; maybe it's just random.
All in all I think Bioware just put a bad ending on their game and people are grasping for straws to make sense of it. Granted Bioware could run with the indoctrination theory and spin the situation claiming it was their plan all along and offer a pay for DLC ending. But I hope it's not a "pony and sunshine" happy ending as I think the best way to end Mass Effect is for Shepard to sacrifice himself to save everyone not show him on a beach having a drink with his LI watching his kids run around like some people want.
As for Bioware they have been quiet since release probably due to everyone going on vacation and the major ****storm people have raised over the endings which can't be dealt with until their staff gets back. We saw something along the same lines with CCP when the NEX store hit and P2W fiasco. I bet we will hear something next week and it will either put the nail in the coffin for Mass Effect or be a "We got you so good" spin on the ending.
If you did everything right and choose the right ending you get a scene where Shepard lives.
I don't see how that would be possible unless the endings were a hallucination.... ;p
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Kacer Xenro
FinFleet Raiden.
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Posted - 2012.03.12 10:12:00 -
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@Relisha
Dont you need a rating of 4000+ to get that ending?
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So Sensational
Ventures
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Posted - 2012.03.12 13:58:00 -
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Jhagiti Tyran wrote:stoicfaux wrote:2bhammered wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRRpGlmtws8
Requiem for EA/Bioware
All you need is one code to unlock the day 1 DLC on your disc, the DLC Bioware said was made after the game went to certification.
Seriously, people need to stop buying games with EA label on it. Ouch, a simple regedit change is all it takes to enable the DLC? On the positive side, it means that Bioware didn't waste a lot of time on DLC "security." edit: I wonder how long until that workaround gets patched. Unless you have a pirated copy of the game in the first place its not worth doing, EA will probably ban the Origin accounts of anyone they catch doing it. Bye-bye any games you tied to that Origin account. I remember not so long ago when that guy got banned from actually playing Dragon Age II after his BSN account got banned because he criticised DA II on the BSN forum. I can see the same **** happening with Origin accounts now they are all tied in together. You can just firewall the .exe anyways, unless the official version requires that you're connected to play Singleplayer? |

Arcosian
Alien Ship Builders Caedite Eos
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Posted - 2012.03.12 14:58:00 -
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Reiisha wrote:If you did everything right and choose the right ending you get a scene where Shepard lives.
I don't see how that would be possible unless the endings were a hallucination.... ;p
Well just because we get a scene with Shepard taking a breath at the end doesn't mean it's all a hallucination. If you look closely at the video you will notice he is buried in a large amount of rubble. Some of this rubble looks rectangular implying it's part of the support structure of the Citadel. And unfortunately a good example of this is that the rubble looks a lot like what they showed on TV after the World Trade Centers fell.
If Shepard was waking up on the street after Harbinger almost killed him with the laser there wouldn't be that much rubble laying around him and it would look more like what we saw when Shepard is running toward the beam. It seems to me like it's a way to continue the story if Bioware chooses to like Halo 3 did when MC gets in the stasis pod. |

Sellendis
The Ares project
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Posted - 2012.03.12 16:20:00 -
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The ending sucks at so many levels, no matter the effort we did in 3 games with building a perfect Shep, it all comes down to 3 choices, Shep dies, reapers gone (possibly Geth and EDI also) and mass relays gone (space goes back to stone age) in all of them.
Link
Best i could do in first pass, and i have no will to play anymore.
On the account of "best ending", we just killed all Geth + EDI, blown everything up to hell. And then Shep takes a breath of air, how did he survive the citadel explosion at point blank? No station means no air (and he breaths), no gravity (nothing floating around Shep) and no heat (space is cold usually).
And even if he survived all of that, he somehow made it in atmosphere reentry without roasting himself to hell, he smacks the earth in god knows what speed, doesn't splatter himself across the continent, he manages to land in some rubble, and take a breath of air...not to mention he was injured like hell and if we take into account his last scenes with Anderson, Shep had a "bullet" wound in his left side (around kidney) and was bleeding like a pig.
People have confirmed, that if you romanced Tali, you screwed up on Rannoch, Tali takes a cliff dive, she is dead, and in the end she walks out of the crashed Normandy.... Same thing with your 2 teammates that vanished before the Beam charge, i lead EDI and Tali to final battle, we all got "wiped out" and they walk out of Normandy. Plot holes all around.
So "dream" ending or epic laziness from bioware. Dunno whats worse.
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Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.03.12 19:39:00 -
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Quote:If you did everything right and choose the right ending you get a scene where Shepard lives.
I don't see how that would be possible unless the endings were a hallucination.... ;p
It looks like mass effect fans are portraying the same signs of denial as the people they were trying to save from the reapers, I think that EA have indoctrinated Bioware and they're trying to enslave us with DLCs and then eventually will harvest our bodies too.
*gets assault rifle*
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |

Roosterton
Syndicalis Immortalis The Skeleton Crew
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Posted - 2012.03.12 21:09:00 -
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Quote:It doesn't make any sense! It's like someone had a really detailed plan on what was going to happen in the third game then they got booted from the project and some moron took over instead, in fact, knowing EA I wouldn't be surprised if that's what happened.
Funny you say this, actually. You know that guy who wrote KOTOR, ME1, and ME2? He had nothing to do with ME3.
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Nuala Reece
TROJAN LEGIONS
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I'm compelled to reply to this thread, but I won't read it - I'm only 3 days into playing the game and, while I hope I'm wrong, experience has taught me to never trust the Eve forum community to maintain a thread like this beyond a page or two without some asshat posting spoilers without warning. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I'm not taking the chance 
All I'll say is, I'm enjoying it immensely. Not being able to import my character's appearance (by virtue of playing the game as it was intended, from ME1 - shame on you EA for f*cking that up) was an early frustration. And EA needs to do some work on getting Origin to actually work properly for buying DLC via PayPal. But once I was past that and into the game I haven't looked back.
The storytelling is just as good as ever. The pacing is spot on. I've swung from excitement to fear to joy to tears and back again more than once. And I really have no idea how it's going to turn out, for me or for any of the other characters I've come to know over the series.
It's got some flaws, to be certain, but it's a bit like pointing out the scratches on a lightbulb - when it's shining you don't notice them at all  |
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Arcosian
Alien Ship Builders Caedite Eos
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Posted - 2012.03.13 01:28:00 -
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Nuala Reece wrote:It's got some flaws, to be certain, but it's a bit like pointing out the scratches on a lightbulb - when it's shining you don't notice them at all  Just be ready for when the light bulb burns out rather suddenly. But in all honesty I understand what Bioware was trying to do with the ending. They just didn't do a good job conveying the message.
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Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.03.13 07:22:00 -
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Roosterton wrote:Quote:It doesn't make any sense! It's like someone had a really detailed plan on what was going to happen in the third game then they got booted from the project and some moron took over instead, in fact, knowing EA I wouldn't be surprised if that's what happened. Funny you say this, actually. You know that guy who wrote KOTOR, ME1, and ME2? He had nothing to do with ME3. And goddamnit, I want to play KOTOR now.
I hate beng right :(
No seriously, it sucks, because I'm always predicting scenarios like this, just once I'd love to have someone slap me and go "Valei you silly idiot! They're rewriting the Mass Effect 3 endings and fixing things up with a patch! You don't need to rage on the forums anymore now! Oh and they fixed EVE just like you suggested by adding a seperate server with much better game mechanics!".
Anyway, apparently the same thing happened with Dragon age 2, whoever wrote the story for Dragon Age 1 was pretty brilliant but it immediately started sucking when Dragon Age 2 waltzed in with it's nerfed sex and stupid dialogue.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |

Sellendis
The Ares project
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Posted - 2012.03.13 09:45:00 -
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Nuala Reece wrote:I'm compelled to reply to this thread, but I won't read it - I'm only 3 days into playing the game and, while I hope I'm wrong, experience has taught me to never trust the Eve forum community to maintain a thread like this beyond a page or two without some asshat posting spoilers without warning. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I'm not taking the chance 
I understand you, i was in same boat, i kept complete info blackout, everywhere i look everyone is pissed about the endings. Kept saying to myself, they rushed the game, they just played wrong, they didn't build a perfect Shep in ME1 and ME2 like i did. And in the end, i got the same kick in the quad like he rest of them. |

Roosterton
Syndicalis Immortalis The Skeleton Crew
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Posted - 2012.03.14 00:30:00 -
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Don't let it get to your head, Valei. Most of your ideas about EVE are still ****  |

Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2012.03.14 08:35:00 -
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Arcosian wrote:Reiisha wrote:If you did everything right and choose the right ending you get a scene where Shepard lives.
I don't see how that would be possible unless the endings were a hallucination.... ;p
Well just because we get a scene with Shepard taking a breath at the end doesn't mean it's all a hallucination. If you look closely at the video you will notice he is buried in a large amount of rubble. Some of this rubble looks rectangular implying it's part of the support structure of the Citadel. And unfortunately a good example of this is that the rubble looks a lot like what they showed on TV after the World Trade Centers fell. If Shepard was waking up on the street after Harbinger almost killed him with the laser there wouldn't be that much rubble laying around him and it would look more like what we saw when Shepard is running toward the beam. It seems to me like it's a way to continue the story if Bioware chooses to like Halo 3 did when MC gets in the stasis pod.
That would be an excellent conclusion if a) the citadel was made of stone (which it isnt) and b) the rubble didnt look exactly like the rubble you were passing on your way to the beam.
You're very intent on denying even the possibility that it's a hallucination ;p |

Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2012.03.14 08:37:00 -
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Sellendis wrote:The ending sucks at so many levels, no matter the effort we did in 3 games with building a perfect Shep, it all comes down to 3 choices, Shep dies, reapers gone (possibly Geth and EDI also) and mass relays gone (space goes back to stone age) in all of them. LinkBest i could do in first pass, and i have no will to play anymore. On the account of "best ending", we just killed all Geth + EDI, blown everything up to hell. And then Shep takes a breath of air, how did he survive the citadel explosion at point blank? No station means no air (and he breaths), no gravity (nothing floating around Shep) and no heat (space is cold usually). And even if he survived all of that, he somehow made it in atmosphere reentry without roasting himself to hell, he smacks the earth in god knows what speed, doesn't splatter himself across the continent, he manages to land in some rubble, and take a breath of air...not to mention he was injured like hell and if we take into account his last scenes with Anderson, Shep had a "bullet" wound in his left side (around kidney) and was bleeding like a pig. People have confirmed, that if you romanced Tali, you screwed up on Rannoch, Tali takes a cliff dive, she is dead, and in the end she walks out of the crashed Normandy.... Same thing with your 2 teammates that vanished before the Beam charge, i lead EDI and Tali to final battle, we all got "wiped out" and they walk out of Normandy. Plot holes all around. So "dream" ending or epic laziness from bioware. Dunno whats worse.
My bet is on dream ending. The rest of the game is too consistent to make it not true >_> |

Sellendis
The Ares project
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Posted - 2012.03.14 09:41:00 -
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Reiisha wrote:
My bet is on dream ending. The rest of the game is too consistent to make it not true >_>
Still, i am afraid to get my hopes up. This was a massive "F you" to the fans. Still cant get how the hell could they even imagine showing this, after the leak months ago when they said its just temporary ending, and to be revised. Then it goes live...
If they didn't have the end ready, they should have said so, not take this hit from the fans, unsubs from SWTOR and shitstorm all around.
If they plan to release it as a DLC, and even charge for it, that's a new low. |

2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.14 11:14:00 -
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Sellendis wrote:Reiisha wrote:
My bet is on dream ending. The rest of the game is too consistent to make it not true >_>
Still, i am afraid to get my hopes up. This was a massive "F you" to the fans. Still cant get how the hell could they even imagine showing this, after the leak months ago when they said its just temporary ending, and to be revised. Then it goes live... If they didn't have the end ready, they should have said so, not take this hit from the fans, unsubs from SWTOR and shitstorm all around. If they plan to release it as a DLC, and even charge for it, that's a new low.
Selling an ending to a game as DLC? Hmm, I wonder why the movies never tried this..
Oh, that's right, gamers are idiots 
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Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.03.14 13:23:00 -
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Finished yesterday and it was 36 hours of great fun right up until the last 10 minutes. All in all, it is a great game except the ending.
The ending is not the horror of all horrors I was led to believe but it is mediocre. As the rest of the game shines pretty brightly mediocre looks godawful however.
Lack of a decent epilogue and giant plot holes do not help. However, if you look up who voices the Stargazer in the credits Bioware gets some bonus points for epicness.
The main problem is that Mass Effect is a game about choices and in the end your choices have barely any effect on the outcome of five years of gaming.
I DO like it that the endings are not Hollywood endings and I think a large part of the fanbase is ranting because of this.
I for one will not let 10 minutes spoil over a hundred hours of epic gaming and I heartily recommend the game.
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Valei Khurelem
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Quote:I DO like it that the endings are not Hollywood endings and I think a large part of the fanbase is ranting because of this.
Hi, don't speak for other people please, you remind me of that stupid 99% soundbite that the occupy movement was throwing around, I happen to believe the central banks are the route cause of the problem and have more power than the actual government which is why all their buddies got bailed out while the other ones failed.
Anyway, I personally was hoping for endings much like Fallout New Vegas for a number of reasons:
. New Vegas finally proved that multiple choice endings can in fact work if they actually are endings and don't tie in to some silly expansion or sequel
. The endings are actual endings, not cliff hangers designed to make it so that the devs can churn out more DLC content and make it so players have to pay more in order to get to the real ending which I think this is exactly what EA had in mind for Mass Effect 3
. Even though there were some bits left out like what happened to the Van Graffs etc. the game went into a lot of detail into what happened with the various people and factions with how your choices affected them I felt really satisfied after having gotten to the ending and still do
. It left you feeling as though your choices actually made a difference and you interacting with people was worthwhile, I found myself getting annoyed I hadn't gone to deal with the Vault 19 powder gangers because they kept on terrorizing people since I was too lazy to go and kill them
This is honestly what I was expecting for Mass Effect 3 and all I expected, I wasn't expecting it to be fantastically epic even though it was at the beginning and towards the middle I just wanted a good ending that finally wound the series down and gave it some closure, not being used as a source of revenue for a soul sucking corporate entity.
They could have given Mass Effect a graceful fairwell and I'd have respected them for that, but know, having to watch all this bullshit instead wherever on the internet I go.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:14:00 -
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Trying to avoid all the spoilers is a nightmare, I didn't have time to play at release so I only recently started. Playing through I have realised one thing.
Mass Effect 3 has an identity crisis, it doesn't know what type of game it wants to be.
If you take away the story and characters and leave the armoury and weapon customisation, keep the character skills but remove levels ME3 would be a very solid third person shooter. Name it something scifi and it would be a good game in its own right.
Thats ignoring the story and RPG aspects, keep the combat and customisation and its as good as games like Gears of War. Better really, Gears doesn't have all the options of choosing a squad, setting their ability's and weapons. Choosing your class and skills and then upgrading and customising the guns.
ME3 has great combat like Gears and then slaps all the extra mechanics on top.
As an RPG it seems to fall short, I have not seen much of that yet though. Countless fans are saying the end is terrible. it seems more than usual forum rage to. I think the desire for multiplayer (and the DLC that brings) and to improve the combat mechanics to suit a MP game limited the development of the RPG side of the game. |

Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:29:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Quote:I DO like it that the endings are not Hollywood endings and I think a large part of the fanbase is ranting because of this. Hi, don't speak for other people please, you remind me of that stupid 99% soundbite that the occupy movement was throwing around, I happen to believe the central banks are the route cause of the problem and have more power than the actual government which is why all their buddies got bailed out while the other ones failed.
I have no idea what you are talking about but I guess I should feel offended ? 
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Liam Mirren
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:07:00 -
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The endings are idiotic and completely out of place compared to anything previously in the ME series, the person who wrote the current endings and the one who gave it the OK should be ashamed of themselves. It didn't need that "guardian", it could all have been played, and explained, through the Elusive Man. That would have been fitting and way more neat. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:21:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:Sellendis wrote:Reiisha wrote:
My bet is on dream ending. The rest of the game is too consistent to make it not true >_>
Still, i am afraid to get my hopes up. This was a massive "F you" to the fans. Still cant get how the hell could they even imagine showing this, after the leak months ago when they said its just temporary ending, and to be revised. Then it goes live... If they didn't have the end ready, they should have said so, not take this hit from the fans, unsubs from SWTOR and shitstorm all around. If they plan to release it as a DLC, and even charge for it, that's a new low. Selling an ending to a game as DLC? Hmm, I wonder why the movies never tried this.. Oh, that's right, gamers are idiots  (Do it EA, at this point I'd bet they all buy it.)
Possible DLC spotted on the Xbox 360 dev network, called "The Truth". Contains an extra firebase (before the ending) and extra gameplay after the ending, depending on what you've chosen. |

Sellendis
The Ares project
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:17:00 -
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@Reiisha
And its not like we got trolls taunting people in despair. http://i.imgur.com/xjXdX.png
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Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:29:00 -
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By the way guys, I found this article that basically confirms everything we've feared :(
http://www.oxm.co.uk/39718/bioware-on-mass-effect-3-ending-better-to-be-controversial-than-forgettable/
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |

Liam Mirren
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:12:00 -
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Here's a good review on the endings. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
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Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:31:00 -
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LOL that describes everything I immediately thought when I encountered that ending for the first time.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |

Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.14 23:43:00 -
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well, I beat the game.
-the game itself was great for the most part. there are lots of details that have been pointed out here and elsewhere that could be improved but I can overlook most of them as they did do a good job of framing the bleak impending doom atmosphere. some scenes could even tug at your heart a bit
-the ending... it's all been said. Love it or hate it is up to you, I for one pledge an oath today that I will never pay money for another EAioware game. Of course the ending was done on purpose and it's so they can drag you out for another $50 later giving you what they intentionally withheld.
I told myself after DA2 I wouldn't pay for another EAioware game. I preordered this crap and I paid for the day one DLC (which if you've played the game and took the Prothean to Thessia w/ Liara it's obvious he's meant to be in the game). I've also argued to much extent here and elsewhere the validity of pirating software as a valid consumer action, especially in a day when people like EA will cut a bunch of crap out of a game (leaving the game itself nothing more than a DLC platform) but still have the balls to sell you the game for $70.
Never again will I pay for another one of their products. I'll play some of them, but they got my last dollar. And no matter what they do in the future (if anything) to rectify the slap in the face that the end of this game was, unless it's free DLC it will only go to support my opinions on pirating software to send a message.
Future conversations will go like this:
Bob: You shouldn't pirate software Alia, it's bad. ME: I gave Bioware hundreds of dollars and 5 years of being a loyal fan. They repaid this by ruining the end of what could have been the most epic sci-fi game series of all time. The reasons for which are either sabotaging their own product by forcing development to meet an unrealistic due date (not likely) or to repay my patronage by trying to dupe a few more dollars out of me. Bob:....
Never again. I'd sooner stab myself in the leg than give them another dollar. It would hurt less.
I KNEW THEY WOULD DO THIS, that's the worst part. EAioware is Lucy and I'm Charlie Brown... lying on my back in the yard after having Lucy yank the football before I try to kick it for the umpteenth time.
ps: It's nice to see the interview with the executive producer who is pressed about the fan reaction amounts to "the game is perfect and internet people are lying" 
pss: multiplayer is actually fun, if you can ignore the terrible glaring how-the-hell-did-they-realease-this-crap-in-this-state bugs. 
/ragerant off |

2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
76
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Posted - 2012.03.15 02:14:00 -
[90] - Quote
http://consumerist.com/2012/03/worst-company-in-america-round-one-ea-vs-sony.html
worst company is America? EA! lol I especially love the video, nice to see that EA and Bioware keeps changing the industry with ME3. |
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Maroxus
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.03.15 07:11:00 -
[91] - Quote
The forum rage on Bioware Social is still going on ... especially the story and discussion area of Mass Effect 3 where the first page is updated every minute. This reminds me of the incarana rage lol.
Best pictures so far:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7042/6837710858_cf69fce2f9_b.jpg http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/267/791/54b.jpg |

Wild Rho
Silent Core
15
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Posted - 2012.03.15 07:36:00 -
[92] - Quote
Pr1ncess Alia wrote: -the ending... it's all been said. Love it or hate it is up to you, I for one pledge an oath today that I will never pay money for another EAioware game. Of course the ending was done on purpose and it's so they can drag you out for another $50 later giving you what they intentionally withheld.
I feel pretty much the same. I am actually curious to see how much DLC they'll manage to sell when they seem to have killed a lot of peoples investment in the story. |

Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics Bringers of Death.
603
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Posted - 2012.03.15 07:50:00 -
[93] - Quote
I don't really mind the endings - seems like if you have a high enough score you can get just about any ending you want. What really bothers me is that to get that score you have to do multiplayer. I really have no interest in multiplayer shooters, and mindless online shooting shouldn't have any effect on my story.
I will say I thought the synthesis ending was LOL-stupid. It's like a childish solution to end racism - make everyone interbreed into a single color of brown. But with flesh and robots. Maybe in the context of the cycle of destruction of synthetic and organic life it's not so unreasonable but it sure did look corny.
All that said - I have no doubt the indoctrination theories are correct. There's no other excuse for Shep waking up in London really. So the true ending: Shep rejects indoctrination, destroys Reapers, lives.
Mass Effect 4 will take place after the reconstruction of the relays or something. No other reason to have the child ask for another Shep story.
By the way, I was bothered they didn't do something a bit more clever like... Shep was revived through Reaper tech. That would have made a "destroy all Reapers" ending a little more complicated. |

Sellendis
The Ares project
42
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Posted - 2012.03.15 10:19:00 -
[94] - Quote
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:well, I beat the game.
Never again will I pay for another one of their products. I'll play some of them, but they got my last dollar. And no matter what they do in the future (if anything) to rectify the slap in the face that the end of this game was, unless it's free DLC it will only go to support my opinions on pirating software to send a message.
Future conversations will go like this:
Bob: You shouldn't pirate software Alia, it's bad. ME: I gave Bioware hundreds of dollars and 5 years of being a loyal fan. They repaid this by ruining the end of what could have been the most epic sci-fi game series of all time. The reasons for which are either sabotaging their own product by forcing development to meet an unrealistic due date (not likely) or to repay my patronage by trying to dupe a few more dollars out of me. Bob: But it's stealing ME: Yeah, I know. That's why I'm so mad at them. Bob: That's not what I meant... ME: I know.
Its not just you mate, they screwed up with DA2, so simplified it was boring as hell, dont get me started on bugs. Then they do the ME3 fiasco.
Now somebody asks you why dont you buy the games? Whats the point, you give money for a collection of different bugs coming with a installer. They sell you some crap, and later they wonder why aren't you buying crap again. Brilliant isn't it? We should make shirts, i bought all 3 ME titles, and all i got was a kick in the quad. :)
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Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
231
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Posted - 2012.03.15 10:32:00 -
[95] - Quote
Jada Maroo wrote: Mass Effect 4... well the ending either hints at more Shepard (and there damn well better be - I need Shep! [snip] MASS PREDICTION: Within a year, a DLC to give us a more satisfying conclusion and set up the next trilogy for Shep.
Problem here is : Do you really want to keep playing with a Shepard that killed EDI ? Joker will hate you FOREVER 
FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! Louis's epic skill guide v1.1 |

Sin Pew
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.03.15 11:37:00 -
[96] - Quote
What I regret, is that some tailored suits from EA must have deemed the story thing of the game to be optional, just like an ending. In ME2 already, they took away most of the RPG part and replaced it with quests-for-dummies +á la DA2. "I overheard your conversation..." "I heard you talking..." "I found that artifact on a planet across the galaxy and I knew it was for you, enjoy!" Big flashing indicators to display the location of various mission objectives because two pillars in the middle of a room could be too confusing and players might get lost.
I was fond of ME because of the whole epic space-opera idea and great dialogs, not for the shooter gameplay itself and I think that's where they terribly failed. ME2 was already a step down the bad side, but with ME3, they basically stripped the game of everything that made it so special, to streamline it into another random mainstream shooter, with less storytelling and lore, but more player hand holding and shooting.
Besides, I don't give a damn about the whole MP shooter part of the game and I think they should have focused on the story for ME3 and release an optional standalone Mass Effect Online along with ME3 for the trigger-happy retards that don't give a sh*t about the story and only interested in pewpewing online, instead of making stupid compromises to pack it all together. If in doubt... PANIC! Support Two Step for CSM! |

Sin Pew
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.03.15 11:42:00 -
[97] - Quote
Sellendis wrote:We should make shirts, i bought all 3 ME titles, and all i got was a kick in the quad. :) This... deserves a post on ME3 forums  If in doubt... PANIC! Support Two Step for CSM! |

Sellendis
The Ares project
42
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Posted - 2012.03.15 19:24:00 -
[98] - Quote
Breaking News....
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9999272
Here's the official website: ME3 The Final Hours
It supposedly has insider information on scrapped parts of the game, interviews with bioware staff over some of the moments in the game, and never before seen art work (which was also scrapped). I just bought the app and hope to update you guys later on, with any interesting news from the app.
Also a Windows/Mac version will be out later, presumably through steam (its the same as the final hours for portal 2).
The cost is $2.99
On Tali's Face We eventually decided that she gives you a memento of her pictures, but the team was throwing around a lot of pictures and designs until we decided on something and said "Yup, that's her".
Mac Walters on the Star Child/Reapers "Originally, with the catalyst, the star child at the end of the game, I had written that much more in the guise of a investigative style conversation, where there is something he tells you but then, you get to ask a bunch of questions and you get your questions answered. But then me and Casey talked and decided, lets keep the conversation "High level". Give you the details that you need to know, but don't get into the stuff that you don't need to know. Like "How long have they been reaping?" You don't need to know the answers to the mass effect universe. So we intentionally left those out"
And there it goes, a new low for them.
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Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.15 20:06:00 -
[99] - Quote
God babies... geesh there was nothing more I hated than walking in on a WOW role-play group at the tavern where the girls were all supposedly having god babies. And what do they do in ME3... Pfft.... When Karpyshyn left the project all hope left with him. |

Roosterton
Syndicalis Immortalis The Skeleton Crew
337
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Posted - 2012.03.15 20:19:00 -
[100] - Quote
Meh, the ending's not really as terrible as a lot of people are trying to make it out to be. Especially if you buy into this. |
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Valei Khurelem
439
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Posted - 2012.03.15 20:38:00 -
[101] - Quote
Roosterton wrote:Meh, the ending's not really as terrible as a lot of people are trying to make it out to be. Especially if you buy into this.
I'd rather look at reality than be in complete denial about the game endings being absolute garbage, what is the biggest **** take is the game pulls you along with perfectly acceptable storylines and choices towards the middle then it just comes along and kicks you in the balls for all your effort.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |

Sellendis
The Ares project
42
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Posted - 2012.03.15 20:41:00 -
[102] - Quote
Roosterton wrote:Meh, the ending's not really as terrible as a lot of people are trying to make it out to be. Especially if you buy into this.
They just pretty much said how much they changed the endings to destroy everything. Indoctrination was an idea, but laziness prevailed and they massacred it to hell. To make sure you dont see your teammates die, we will magically teleport them to Normandy, that will be using the relay to run away from the fight for no apparent reason whatsoever.
Its amazing because you really had to TRY to ruin mass effect. At worst, people were expecting a tragic ending, or a generic good ending. This was like, effort. Phantom menace style effort. |

Maroxus
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:51:00 -
[103] - Quote
Sellendis wrote: Its amazing because you really had to TRY to ruin mass effect. At worst, people were expecting a tragic ending, or a generic good ending. This was like, effort. Phantom menace style effort.
You just reminded me of Plinkett's reviews
http://twitter.com/#!/redlettermedia
"Will will be doing something with Mass Effect 3 ... stay tuned..." |

Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
141
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Posted - 2012.03.16 07:20:00 -
[104] - Quote
Sellendis wrote: Its amazing because you really had to TRY to ruin mass effect.
You really did.
Let's consider 6 unique endings with small clips added/removed due to previous and current game choises.
With those, and then an epilogue you're looking at an additional 4 minutes of unique high end cinematics and a series of artwork stills plus text.
What's that add up to in dev costs? Barely six figures? A quarter mil being generous. They made how many millions on release day and plan on fleecing a fanbase that is so pissed I doubt they but into it anywhere near their projections.
To go on a bit of a tangent on that last point, I'm never much for the whole flash in a pan eBoycott, but if there was ever an appropiate time for one this would be it.
They got lazy and said "frak it, we got their money. phone it in and call it a day"
Let's try to think outside the box for a moment, many of us have been caught up in the reality and many imagned solutions.
Here is game X. Game X has advertised xx different endings based on your game decisions. Game X makes one ending in different colors.
What grade crak do you have to be smoking to think this is the way to finish a 6 year epic trilogy?
**** bioware. **** EA. I'm on a boycott of one. Feel free to join me. Not only that. I'll be going out of my way to obtain their games in ways that do not involve me paying them money, and I'll pledge to insure that anyone I know that might play their games obtain them in the same way I do.
Have fun with my cash bioware. It's the last. And to those there that gave a damn and tried their best, I'm sorry, but just like is possible in any busines, the guys in the suit shafted your life's work just to trim the budget a bit (into their pockets. that's exactly what management/ executive bonuses are made of).
Top-Down development always culminates to this. True art and creativity mix with business goals like oil and water. All the most successful and ******** managers always forget to respect that. Don't let the management pollute the innovation and vision.
The whole thing is kinda funny. I mean we knew EA would turn Bioware into a husk of what it was. But no one expected such a "if there is a worst time to do this, this would be it" move out of their management.
If what I expect will happen happens, it is what they call "SH****NG THE MONEY BED". They loaded, took aim and shot themselves in the foot.
"hey, let's just totally screw over the fan base and tell them "you didn't need to know" and "it's edgy and cool and it's too bad you don't get it"
Here is game X. Game X has advertised xx different endings based on your game decisions. Game X makes one ending in different colors.
^^You can't spin that. You ****** up bioware, big time.
It's like trying to spin crapping your pants. "you guys just don't understand it, crapping your pants is cool. it makes you think" |

Valei Khurelem
439
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Posted - 2012.03.16 12:02:00 -
[105] - Quote
Guys, I just remembered another damn plothole in Mass Effect 3.
Does everyone remember when Shepard actually manages to take down the reaper on Rannoch with a laser pointer and the normandy? WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?! That just made the whole damn idea of crucible completely pointless! They should have made it so that using crucible was a renegade option and just beating the reapers toe to toe using those kind of tactics was the paragon option.
What the ****?! ARGH! Why am I still raging over this game?! Why put a blatant weakness in the reaper and then force you to go after crucible and go through all that pointless bullshit with cerberus? Granted, cerberus would still be a threat but that doesn't mean all the other armies can't just go off and blow up the reapers anyway while you deal with them with your own elite squad.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |

Sellendis
The Ares project
42
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Posted - 2012.03.16 12:22:00 -
[106] - Quote
Well, the fleet fight shows us they can destroy a reaper, it takes a lot of fire but they can take one down....then you look at them fire. its a complete FFA, who is calling targets, primary and so on, nope, just shoot and let god sort it out.
On the crucible issue, they activate it so they dont have to hunt every reaper ship and ground unit in the galaxy for next few hundred years. Still, pointless to comment on crap they did, pure disaster. |

Maroxus
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.03.16 18:27:00 -
[107] - Quote
Valei Khurelem wrote:Guys, I just remembered another damn plothole in Mass Effect 3.
Does everyone remember when Shepard actually manages to take down the reaper on Rannoch with a laser pointer and the normandy? WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?! That just made the whole damn idea of crucible completely pointless! They should have made it so that using crucible was a renegade option and just beating the reapers toe to toe using those kind of tactics was the paragon option.
What the ****?! ARGH! Why am I still raging over this game?! Why put a blatant weakness in the reaper and then force you to go after crucible and go through all that pointless bullshit with cerberus? Granted, cerberus would still be a threat but that doesn't mean all the other armies can't just go off and blow up the reapers anyway while you deal with them with your own elite squad.
? It still took the fleet fire of the flotilla fleet to kill that mini reaper. Unless it can play out differently? Just because you can kill one with a fleet doesn't mean you can kill an entire fleet of them with the fleets from a handful of races. |

Sellendis
The Ares project
42
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Posted - 2012.03.16 21:03:00 -
[108] - Quote
Maroxus wrote: EDIT: Also .. never forget Marauder Shields.
Our hero, our protector....our dark knight. |

Roosterton
Syndicalis Immortalis The Skeleton Crew
337
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Posted - 2012.03.17 02:14:00 -
[109] - Quote
Valei Khurelem wrote:Roosterton wrote:Meh, the ending's not really as terrible as a lot of people are trying to make it out to be. Especially if you buy into this. I'd rather look at reality than be in complete denial about the game endings being absolute garbage, what is the biggest **** take is the game pulls you along with perfectly acceptable storylines and choices towards the middle then it just comes along and kicks you in the balls for all your effort.
(Spoilers)
But as has been mentioned, it takes legitimate effort to actually screw up the ending that badly. There's a heapload of things suggesting that it may have actually been an indoctrination and not the real ending. Think about it - if it wasn't an indoctrination, why insert the scene of Shepard breathing beneath rubble IN LONDON after picking "destroy?"
Of course, I still dislike them for doing this as, if they did do this, it's an obvious cash grab to later release a DLC for "what happens after shepard wakes up from the attempted indoctrination!" but at least it doesn't ruin the entire plot for me anymore. |

Valei Khurelem
440
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Posted - 2012.03.17 08:52:00 -
[110] - Quote
Quote: Incorrect, the Normandy was only able to knock the Reaper down, and only by hitting its weak point. To actually kill the reaper, they had to sync up Shepard's laser to the ENTIRE quarian fleet, and all consecutively shoot the weak spot with perfect timing, four times in a row. Yeah.
Oh yeah, I remember that its been awhile since I've been willing to play the game, but even so, you'd think some engineers and geth would go "Hmm maybe if we researched a weapon that would work against that weakness we could take them down one by one?" I still find it pretty ridiculous.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
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Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics Bringers of Death.
606
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Posted - 2012.03.19 06:23:00 -
[111] - Quote
Forbes: Casey Hudson Responds to Mass Effect Ending Protests:
"This is Not the Last You'll Hear of Commander Shepard"
Looks like Bioware's gonna crack and give into the demands of Mass Effect fans. 
On a side note, I just donated to the Retake campaign. It's getting a lot of publicity, and it's already at $65,000. |

Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
497
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Posted - 2012.03.19 09:18:00 -
[112] - Quote
Jada Maroo wrote:Forbes: Casey Hudson Responds to Mass Effect Ending Protests: "This is Not the Last You'll Hear of Commander Shepard"Looks like Bioware's gonna crack and give into the demands of Mass Effect fans.  On a side note, I just donated to the Retake campaign. It's getting a lot of publicity, and it's already at $65,000.
I believe it when I see it. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |

Frank Millar
The Corporation Incorporated The Revolution.
25
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Posted - 2012.03.19 15:41:00 -
[113] - Quote
I finished the game yesterday evening, and I remember myself staring at the rolling credits.
I am not really mad (yet), but as has been said: this game trilogy was about making choices, and in the end, IT ALL DIDN'T MATTER ANYWAY.
I already said in another thread I'd be very cautious about any and all DLC. That caution is out of the window: I will not buy any of it. An alternate ending will have to be FREE, otherwise I won't get it.
I am sorry to say EA/Bioware will not see another cent from me. Ever.
On another note: there's entirely too much Gears of War in this game as well; the chest-high walls have already been mentioned (they were pretty obvious in ME2 as well, but whatever), but what of that entire Hammer of Dawn-sequence with taking down the Reaper on the Quarian Homeworld. WTF was that?
And Squad selection: In ME1 you had 5 people available before you even left the Citadel. In ME2 you gathered a colossal pool of people (admittedly not all of them that useful, but still). And in ME3 you get 6. Total. With 1 (one!) Biotic, 2 Tech types and 3 types with guns.
I was a massive ME fanboy, and I am dissappointed.  |

Sellendis
The Ares project
42
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Posted - 2012.03.19 16:21:00 -
[114] - Quote
Welcome to the club. They did manage to really put in a effort to completely destroy ME universe. And i was under impression that CCP screws things up, but Bioware really went to the next level. |

Barakkus
1522
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:44:00 -
[115] - Quote
I've been enjoying it so far, from the grumblings here tho, not sure if I want to finish it lol (I skipped over the spoilers though).
I'm one of those people that has to try and explore every room before I move on, so I have a feeling I won't make up my mind for another month, so far it's been ok. I'm a little disapointed in some of the lame dialog, it just seems more campy than 2. I like the fact that you can try and talk to people but don't get a conversation dialog deal most of the time unless they have something new to say. I was sort of disappointed in the planet scanning thing, sounds dumb but I kinda liked it in ME2. I like the shooting range too, I don't recall that in ME2, but I do like being able to mess with all the weapons instead of having to try them out while doing a mission or whatever. I miss being able to holster weapons, and the cover system is a bit "sticky".
Some of the UI seems a bit pointless, like the war report stuff, I haven't really figured out what else to do with it other that just read a couple things here and there, it seems like it was sort of half assed and not really thought through. The variance in squad members was a wee bit disappointing so far, but I'm not very far in. The transition animations when you dock somewhere or whatnot seems to either be broken for me or the animations are truly 2 seconds long and don't show anything but a ship floating in space, there were a few other things like that I noticed when loading different parts of the game that kinda made me wonder how interested those guys were in doing the game this time around. The amount of ammo laying around is sort of staggering this time around...it's pretty hard to just run out of ammo for the most part (at least as far as I am into it).
We'll see how good it is in the end tho :) I can't play ME1, won't run on my machine, so waiting until next year to play it when I buy a new computer to play through all 3 straight :) http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |

Sellendis
The Ares project
43
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Posted - 2012.03.20 09:38:00 -
[116] - Quote
Heh, i did score 36h on my first (and only) play, explored every nook and cranny in the universe. Still didn't find 2 ship models for my room, maybe they are in NG+. Dialogs are a sign of Mac Walters writing potential...meaning, crappy. Shooting range is awesome, you can test weapons and customizations before you go to the mission, and save yourself the time cursing stupid rifle that doesn't do crap.
Why cant you play ME1? |

Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
232
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Posted - 2012.03.20 10:29:00 -
[117] - Quote
Not sure what NG+ is, I bought the regular pre-order digital download via Origin, but I found all models. In the shuttle bay there is at least one that is hard to find. One I bought in a shop late in game.
Do a Barrel Roll, Joker ! FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! Louis's epic skill guide v1.1 |

Frank Millar
The Corporation Incorporated The Revolution.
25
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Posted - 2012.03.20 11:46:00 -
[118] - Quote
There is another ship model to be found down the stairs at Engineering, where Jack used to sit around in ME2.
Also, I found plenty in the shops on the Citadel.
I too like to search every nook and cranny for Weapons, Upgrades and Data Pads.
There is indeed more than plenty Ammo to be found.
Also, I started an Adept yesterday. Much to my dismay (sort of) I can use Sniper and Assault Rifles and Shotguns... |

Sellendis
The Ares project
43
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Posted - 2012.03.20 14:14:00 -
[119] - Quote
NG+ is a New Game +, you take exp, skills and money or something, also in second pass you can upgrade weapons to L10, first pass is L5 only.
About the models, i found all on Normandy, others i really dont know where i missed 2 of them. After every mission i checked all stores and inspected every new area.
http://imgur.com/sC49f Picture of ones i found.
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
238
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Posted - 2012.03.20 17:19:00 -
[120] - Quote
There are a lot more models in the stores as well as the ones you find around the ship, you can also find your Hamster (if you had one in ME2) at the lowest section of engineering. It runs past as you enter the area. |
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Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics Bringers of Death.
607
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Posted - 2012.03.21 20:36:00 -
[121] - Quote
Woo! Bioware has officially announced: the ending will be changed!
The fans win! |

JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
208
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Posted - 2012.03.21 21:04:00 -
[122] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Jada Maroo wrote:Forbes: Casey Hudson Responds to Mass Effect Ending Protests: "This is Not the Last You'll Hear of Commander Shepard"Looks like Bioware's gonna crack and give into the demands of Mass Effect fans.  On a side note, I just donated to the Retake campaign. It's getting a lot of publicity, and it's already at $65,000. I believe it when I see it.
Its hard for them to turn a blind eye when over 60 thousand u s d (Sorry but my phones auto correct kept changing it to use) has already been donated to child's play.... to get them to change the ending of the game.
.......
Yes I know it doesn't make much sense, but there you have it. |

Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics Bringers of Death.
607
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Posted - 2012.03.21 21:09:00 -
[123] - Quote
Almost $77,000 now. I donated to it the moment I heard about it. It's a brilliant idea - what are they gonna say? "**** all those sick children, we don't care what you all say!" It's like a guilt cannon.  |

JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
208
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Posted - 2012.03.21 21:14:00 -
[124] - Quote
Jada Maroo wrote:Almost $77,000 now. I donated to it the moment I heard about it. It's a brilliant idea - what are they gonna say? "**** all those sick children, we don't care what you all say!" It's like a guilt cannon. 
Well the moment that I saw it hit 10k I already figured bioware loses this fight. The fact that it went well beyond that was surprising.
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Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate
230
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Posted - 2012.03.22 00:26:00 -
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Finished it last night.
I don't mind Shepard dying or nearly dying or any of the final three choices despite how little my choices effected the outcome.
I think if you did badly you should be stuck with these sacrifice choices but if you tried hard and got everyone you could to the end a victory could be possible.
That's by the by my main gripe is that despite everything for some reason you have to destroy all the mass relays and strand everyone on Earth and cut off the rest of the galaxy, where was my "and everyone lived in peace for a time thanks to Shepard ending" which also leaves the door open for future Mass Effect stories. This just seems to end the whole franchise.
Imagine the movie series ending like this! |

Selinate
674
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Posted - 2012.03.22 02:01:00 -
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EA sold you a watered down piece of crap, and then tried to sell you DLC that made it not-so-much a watered down piece of crap? Who wudda thunk.
There's a reason I don't buy games from EA that don't have extensive 100% great reviews. |

stoicfaux
799
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Posted - 2012.03.22 02:22:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:Almost $77,000 now. I donated to it the moment I heard about it. It's a brilliant idea - what are they gonna say? "**** all those sick children, we don't care what you all say!" It's like a guilt cannon.  If they really wanted EA's attention, they would have promised to donate the money in EA's name, so that EA could get the tax write off...
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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God's Apples
Space Boats 'N Hoes
2
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Posted - 2012.03.22 02:22:00 -
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I played the previous 2 games although not the third. I didn't even know it came out for a week. With all the brouhaha about the ending I did not chose to buy the game. I just watched the ending and I see where everyone is going with this. The ending is not bad, it's just not fitting.
Let me elaborate.
The ending felt more suited for a linear game like CoD or something. You didn't feel like the choices you made influenced anything. The ending was just.... it.
Also people are mad at the ending because it's the ending of the ME series and that makes them sad no matter what. |

Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
239
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Posted - 2012.03.22 03:00:00 -
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God's Apples wrote:I played the previous 2 games although not the third. I didn't even know it came out for a week. With all the brouhaha about the ending I did not chose to buy the game. I just watched the ending and I see where everyone is going with this. The ending is not bad, it's just not fitting.
Let me elaborate.
The ending felt more suited for a linear game like CoD or something. You didn't feel like the choices you made influenced anything. The ending was just.... it.
Also people are mad at the ending because it's the ending of the ME series and that makes them sad no matter what.
The ending needed a much greater level of elaboration to work, it raised more questions than it answered. Like what kind of apocalypse forced an ancient race into such an extreme solution? The level of technology that race had must have been extraordinary to begin with. What happened to the squad mates with you in London? Did the catalyst observe Sheppard throughout the whole thing? Surely it knew about the events during the first game, did it order Harbinger to try and obtain him? did he want Sheppard harvested to become a Reaper?
So many Questions, and then there are the plot holes.
Like the fact that the battle to earth probably did more damage to Earth than the Reapers did, according to the fluff starship mass accelerators hurl the projectiles with kilotons of force. All those thousands of missed shots would have incinerated the planet. I don't feel personally that the players choices where ignored in the end because many of the story arcs where settled during the game. Things like the Krogan and the Geth, many of the people that lived or died during the first two impacted somewhere along the game. Like the Cerberus invasion of the Citadel for example, if Thane didn't survive ME2 it was left to Captain Kirrahe to save the Salarian Councillor, if Kirrahe died on Virmire the Salarian Councillor dies.
I hated the way that all the EMS came down to was a number that decided the ending as well. It would have been great to see an ME2 style representation of the different units and resources you require, maybe you could have had Geth Primes show up during the conduit run or a group of Asari commandos help you protect the missile launchers. Little things like that would have made the end a lot better, like the way the ship upgrades worked in ME2. |

JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
208
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Posted - 2012.03.22 05:57:00 -
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Benilopax wrote:Finished it last night.
I don't mind Shepard dying or nearly dying or any of the final three choices despite how little my choices effected the outcome.
I think if you did badly you should be stuck with these sacrifice choices but if you tried hard and got everyone you could to the end a victory could be possible.
That's by the by my main gripe is that despite everything for some reason you have to destroy all the mass relays and strand everyone on Earth and cut off the rest of the galaxy, where was my "and everyone lived in peace for a time thanks to Shepard ending" which also leaves the door open for future Mass Effect stories. This just seems to end the whole franchise.
Imagine the movie series ending like this!
Very BSG'ish ending. ;)
I actually don't mind endings like that, if they are done well. In fact I didn't have much of an issue with the ending of ME3 for that matter.
What I did have an issue with, and can understand why other people feel this way, is in how it seemed like the ending was the same regardless of your actions... At least for the most part.
And that kind of stands in direct contrast to one of the reasons people loved the series the most, and what has been heralded even by Bioware as one of the revolutionary claim to fame features of the series. |
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Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
232
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Posted - 2012.03.22 15:56:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:Woo!  Bioware has officially announced: the ending will be changed! The fans win!
They're not saying anything definite at all. All I read between the lawyer talk is "Our fans are a bunch of jerks and we are awesome yet misunderstood artists" and "More news in April". I got to admire their willingness to pour oil on the fire.  From a business perspective way to go to alienate your fanbase  FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! Louis's epic skill guide v1.1 |

Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics Bringers of Death.
607
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Posted - 2012.03.22 19:49:00 -
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Louis deGuerre wrote:They're not saying anything definite at all. All I read between the lawyer talk is "Our fans are a bunch of jerks and we are awesome yet misunderstood artists"  and "More news in April". I got to admire their willingness to pour oil on the fire.  From a business perspective way to go to alienate your fanbase 
I don't think they can *not* fix it now, honestly. This has gone beyond the scale of even the monocle. It is... the Monocle Effect! |

Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
87
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Posted - 2012.03.22 19:56:00 -
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http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/bt/aj/topreasons/34653-me3-indoctrination-theory-a-dlc
I'm fully on the indoctrination theory train now.
If true, it IS a brilliant ending. |

Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
87
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Posted - 2012.03.22 20:00:00 -
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Louis deGuerre wrote:Jada Maroo wrote:Woo!  Bioware has officially announced: the ending will be changed! The fans win! They're not saying anything definite at all. All I read between the lawyer talk is "Our fans are a bunch of jerks and we are awesome yet misunderstood artists"  and "More news in April". I got to admire their willingness to pour oil on the fire.  From a business perspective way to go to alienate your fanbase 
IE: Ending DLC coming. |

Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
232
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Posted - 2012.03.23 01:48:00 -
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Reiisha wrote:http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/bt/aj/topreasons/34653-me3-indoctrination-theory-a-dlc
I'm fully on the indoctrination theory train now.
If true, it IS a brilliant ending.
It is appaling that the end is so full of plotholes and filled with bad writing it is even possible to fabricate this theory and make it seem plausible, which I find faintly hilariously silly.
I'll laugh like hell when Bioware decides to run with it to save their ass, but I believe that that was not their intent at all, their plot ending was just terrible writing, like most of the DA2 plot. FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! Louis's epic skill guide v1.1 |

Roosterton
Syndicalis Immortalis The Skeleton Crew
337
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Posted - 2012.03.23 02:06:00 -
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Louis deGuerre wrote:Reiisha wrote:http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/bt/aj/topreasons/34653-me3-indoctrination-theory-a-dlc
I'm fully on the indoctrination theory train now.
If true, it IS a brilliant ending. It is appaling that the end is so full of plotholes and filled with bad writing it is even possible to fabricate this theory and make it seem plausible, which I find faintly hilariously silly. I'll laugh like hell when Bioware decides to run with it to save their ass, but I believe that that was not their intent at all, their plot ending was just terrible writing, like most of the DA2 plot.
On the other hand, it could really be a dose of fridge brilliance.
This is also a good vid. |

Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
239
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Posted - 2012.03.23 04:51:00 -
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Louis deGuerre wrote:Reiisha wrote:http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/bt/aj/topreasons/34653-me3-indoctrination-theory-a-dlc
I'm fully on the indoctrination theory train now.
If true, it IS a brilliant ending. It is appaling that the end is so full of plotholes and filled with bad writing it is even possible to fabricate this theory and make it seem plausible, which I find faintly hilariously silly. I'll laugh like hell when Bioware decides to run with it to save their ass, but I believe that that was not their intent at all, their plot ending was just terrible writing, like most of the DA2 plot.
The indoctrination theory is so sad, why where people so unable to accept that the ending sucked? Bioware might roll with it now in an attempt to mollify fans or sell DLC but I doubt it was ever intended from the start. The five stages of grief describe the butt hurt perfectly.
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Buhtlica
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.03.23 09:58:00 -
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Roosterton wrote:Louis deGuerre wrote:Reiisha wrote:http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/bt/aj/topreasons/34653-me3-indoctrination-theory-a-dlc
I'm fully on the indoctrination theory train now.
If true, it IS a brilliant ending. It is appaling that the end is so full of plotholes and filled with bad writing it is even possible to fabricate this theory and make it seem plausible, which I find faintly hilariously silly. I'll laugh like hell when Bioware decides to run with it to save their ass, but I believe that that was not their intent at all, their plot ending was just terrible writing, like most of the DA2 plot. On the other hand, it could really be a dose of fridge brilliance. This is also a good vid.
I have watched the video and also read this article and have to agree with you.
I have now changed my mind from 'this ending sucks' to 'brilliant!!'
Also, why the old man (Stargazer) at the very end says: One more story. Why would he say that if the game ended? Maybe because it's not really over. F***** epic!!!!
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Frank Millar
The Corporation Incorporated The Revolution.
25
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Posted - 2012.03.23 11:28:00 -
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Roosterton wrote:On the other hand, it could really be a dose of fridge brilliance. This is also a good vid.
Mind = blown.
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Roosterton
Syndicalis Immortalis The Skeleton Crew
337
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Posted - 2012.03.23 16:13:00 -
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Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Louis deGuerre wrote:Reiisha wrote:http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/bt/aj/topreasons/34653-me3-indoctrination-theory-a-dlc
I'm fully on the indoctrination theory train now.
If true, it IS a brilliant ending. It is appaling that the end is so full of plotholes and filled with bad writing it is even possible to fabricate this theory and make it seem plausible, which I find faintly hilariously silly. I'll laugh like hell when Bioware decides to run with it to save their ass, but I believe that that was not their intent at all, their plot ending was just terrible writing, like most of the DA2 plot. The indoctrination theory is so sad, why where people so unable to accept that the ending sucked? Bioware might roll with it now in an attempt to mollify fans or sell DLC but I doubt it was ever intended from the start. The five stages of grief describe the butt hurt perfectly.
Or maybe we're just wise enough to not take everything so literally and actually give human intelligence the credit it deserves?
I'll admit that there's a lot about the indoctrination theory which could just be explained away as "bad writing," but there's some stuff which is completely undeniable.
1. After you shoot Anderson, you're bleeding in the same spot where you shot him.
2. When you wake up from getting hit with Harbinger's beam, you hear that "the entire force was decimated, nobody got to the beam." Why didn't the person saying that see Shepard?
3. The first time you see the kid, in duct on Earth, when Shepard gets interrupted by Anderson and the boy disappears, a Reaper growl can be heard. In one of the books, it's explained that this noise occurs when a reaper indoctrination attempt is thwarted.
4. James hearing an unusual "hum" on the Normandy. This line of dialogue would be completely pointless if it wasn't a hint that there's some semblence of indoctrination going on.
5. The rachni queen talks about how "oily shadows" caused her people to become indoctrinated once again. Later on in Shepard's dreams of the burning kid, you can see shimmering black, oily shadows, and at the end of the game when you're talking with the Illusive man, there are clear black, shadowy lines on the edge of the screen.
More astute gamers will also note that the final area on the Citadel is actually a mixture of the Cerberus base, the Collector base, and the Shadow Broker's lair, all things which could just be assembled from Shepard's memories.
Why would the writers include any of these things if the ending was meant to be taken literally? If you can explain these things, then sure, maybe the theory is just a bad attempt to grasp at straws and believe the ending was good. But don't go around calling all of us butthurt because we're able to see and interpret things that you can't. |
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JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
212
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Posted - 2012.03.23 16:15:00 -
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Frank Millar wrote:Roosterton wrote:On the other hand, it could really be a dose of fridge brilliance. This is also a good vid. Mind = blown. 
That vid is awesome. |

Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
145
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Posted - 2012.03.23 16:46:00 -
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The indoctrination theory really is pretty perfect.
Anyone suggesting that people are reading too much into it are trolling or have paid no attention to the trilogy when they played it.
That said, to me, it would be even more of a slap in the face for bioware to write such a masterpiece and withhold the ending from me (a person who payed them $70 for a game, complete with ending) than for them to simply fail to write one to begin with.
Either way, they already got my money. Not a penny more.
You guys 'hold the line', unless the ending is a free dlc it's all water over the dam to me. I pay money for me to play the games, not to have people play games with me. |

Roosterton
Syndicalis Immortalis The Skeleton Crew
337
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Posted - 2012.03.23 18:27:00 -
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Quote:That said, to me, it would be even more of a slap in the face for bioware to write such a masterpiece and withhold the ending from me (a person who payed them $70 for a game, complete with ending) than for them to simply fail to write one to begin with.
Agreed. Doing something awesome but making people pay extra to experience the full awesomeness is nearly as evil as doing something not-awesome.
I really hope whatever DLC/expansion they make is free, but it's EA, so...  |

Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Ixion Defence Systems Tactical Narcotics Team
3
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:27:00 -
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Arcosian wrote:Reiisha wrote:If you did everything right and choose the right ending you get a scene where Shepard lives.
I don't see how that would be possible unless the endings were a hallucination.... ;p
Well just because we get a scene with Shepard taking a breath at the end doesn't mean it's all a hallucination. If you look closely at the video you will notice he is buried in a large amount of rubble. Some of this rubble looks rectangular implying it's part of the support structure of the Citadel. And unfortunately a good example of this is that the rubble looks a lot like what they showed on TV after the World Trade Centers fell. If Shepard was waking up on the street after Harbinger almost killed him with the laser there wouldn't be that much rubble laying around him and it would look more like what we saw when Shepard is running toward the beam. It seems to me like it's a way to continue the story if Bioware chooses to like Halo 3 did when MC gets in the stasis pod.
First of all there are 16 different endings at ME3. Of course with 3 colors only.
If you do a near perfect playthrough and choose the middle road ( unification of synthetic and organic life) you get a cutscene at the end where a small child asks Shepard (yes it says the name) when it can go to the stars (and the answer is someday you will). You don't see Shepard or anything clearly. It's just a night at the park with a moon glowing over. Something that implies that Shepard lived and somehow the civilizations lost again the ability to space travel? Oh and Joker despite being upgraded (like all organic life apparently) was still unable to walk normally.
This is the thing that really got on my nerves. Show me you faggots something more definitive, instead of hints and blurry cut scenes. I want to know what the hell I managed to do.
At least that is what I got after i grinded ME3 to find all the artifacts I could. This ending (as well as the others too) are depended also on some key decisions made in the previous Mass Effect games. Which means that in order to get that semi satisfying ending you have to have a character imported from ME2.
I understand the reasoning of the 3 endings and up to some point I can live with that. Yes the whole reasoning behind this ending is a philosophical question that we as mankind have only dealt so far at a theoretical level so far in Sci-fi books.
Still they could do a lot better than that. AND another thing that seriously bugs me is the choice they made about the co-op multiplayer affecting the single player game. |

Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
239
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Posted - 2012.03.23 21:16:00 -
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Roosterton wrote:Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Louis deGuerre wrote:Reiisha wrote:http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/bt/aj/topreasons/34653-me3-indoctrination-theory-a-dlc
I'm fully on the indoctrination theory train now.
If true, it IS a brilliant ending. It is appaling that the end is so full of plotholes and filled with bad writing it is even possible to fabricate this theory and make it seem plausible, which I find faintly hilariously silly. I'll laugh like hell when Bioware decides to run with it to save their ass, but I believe that that was not their intent at all, their plot ending was just terrible writing, like most of the DA2 plot. The indoctrination theory is so sad, why where people so unable to accept that the ending sucked? Bioware might roll with it now in an attempt to mollify fans or sell DLC but I doubt it was ever intended from the start. The five stages of grief describe the butt hurt perfectly. Or maybe we're just wise enough to not take everything so literally and actually give human intelligence the credit it deserves? I'll admit that there's a lot about the indoctrination theory which could just be explained away as "bad writing," but there's some stuff which is completely undeniable. 1. After you shoot Anderson, you're bleeding in the same spot where you shot him. 2. When you wake up from getting hit with Harbinger's beam, you hear that "the entire force was decimated, nobody got to the beam." Why didn't the person saying that see Shepard? 3. The first time you see the kid, in a duct on Earth, when Shepard gets interrupted by Anderson and the boy disappears, a Reaper growl can be heard. In one of the books, it's explained that this noise occurs when a reaper indoctrination attempt is thwarted. 4. James hearing an unusual "hum" on the Normandy. This line of dialogue would be completely pointless if it wasn't a hint that there's some semblence of indoctrination going on. 5. The rachni queen talks about how "oily shadows" caused her people to become indoctrinated once again. Later on in Shepard's dreams of the burning kid, you can see shimmering black, oily shadows, and at the end of the game when you're talking with the Illusive man, there are clear black, shadowy lines on the edge of the screen. 6. Shep's eyes. If you pick either "control" or "synthesis" - the options which the reapers want you to pick - your eyes very clearly become like The Illusive Man's, and before that, Saren's, two indoctrinated people. On the other hand, in "destroy," where you defy the reapers, your eyes very clearly remain the same. More astute gamers will also note that the final area on the Citadel is actually a mixture of the Cerberus base, the Collector base, and the Shadow Broker's lair, all things which could just be assembled from Shepard's memories. Why would the writers include any of these things if the ending was meant to be taken literally? If you can explain these things, then sure, maybe the theory is just a bad attempt to grasp at straws and believe the ending was good. But don't go around calling all of us butthurt because we're able to see and interpret things that you can't.
All points are made moot by the way the scene continues on after his "indoctrination". If he chose synthesis or control why show him the Normandy fleeing the blast? or the Mass Relays exploding?
By that point Shepard would have been under their control, they had no need to show him that. Surely they would have created something more positive if they had as well? The Mass relays going boom would wipe out billions, strand colonies and leaving them without food or medical care. That wouldn't be something positive enough to reinforce indoctrination. |

Roosterton
Syndicalis Immortalis The Skeleton Crew
337
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Posted - 2012.03.23 22:53:00 -
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Quote:All points are made moot by the way the scene continues on after his "indoctrination". If he chose synthesis or control why show him the Normandy fleeing the blast? or the Mass Relays exploding?
By that point Shepard would have been under their control, they had no need to show him that. Surely they would have created something more positive if they had as well? The Mass relays going boom would wipe out billions, strand colonies and leaving them without food or medical care. That wouldn't be something positive enough to reinforce indoctrination.
The whole point of indoctrination is that the victim genuinely believes they are acting for the good of the galaxy. Saren believed that Synthesis was the way of the future for organics. TIM believed that control was in the best interests for the future of humanity. By making it seem as though his friends survive if you choose Synthesis/Control, then when Shepard wakes up from the hallucination he'll believe Control/synthesis are in the best interest of his friends and allies.
The obvious follow up to this is; then why do we see it when you pick destroy? When you pick destroy, you're essentially breaking free from the reapers and denying their indoctrination attempt, so they have no more control over your dream. What happens afterwards is just Shepard envisioning the death of the reapers before being snapped back to reality beneath a pile of rubble (which can be seen if you have 4000+ EMS, and only if you choose destroy.)
Now, the exact inner workings of indoctrination aren't made completely certain throughout the game, but I'm sure something similar to that is logical.
Quote:Regarding being unable to see and interpret things, I have read the theory and I can certainly see what the nutters like you claim to see but I retain the ability to see it in a rational way. So I see it for what it really is, your all basically claiming "there was a tuft of grass on Rannoch, he is indoctrinated" or "see how that corpse in the Citadel was stacked? that's a representation of the brotherhood of singularitarianism, that means hes indoctrinated too!"
No... we're drawing comparisons with hints which were evidently dropped earlier throughout the series.
Why bother making the rachni queen mention "oily shadows" in the context of indoctrination if the oily shadows Shepard sees in his dream aren't significant at all? Why would the codex of ME2 bother to mention that people suffering from indoctrination hear buzzing, then have James complain of hearing a buzzing noise, only for it to mean nothing? Why bother showing Shepard bleeding from the spot where he shot Anderson? Why bother having the Shepard breathing scene ONLY if you pick destroy (and in London, no less)? Why have magical trees which only appear after you get hit by the beam, the same trees that appeared in your earlier dreams?
There IS some stuff which could just be bad writing, or glitchy. You could say that Anderson looking at Shepard while talking with the illusive man was just bad animation and not symbolism for Anderson warning Shep that he's being indoctrinated, and I guess you could say that it's just for game mechanic purposes that the pistol in the final area has infinite ammo and can't harm the keepers. But there is a HEAPLOAD of stuff which is irrefutable. Unless you want to start tackling some of the aformentioned points and stop throwing words like "nutter" around? |

Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
240
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Posted - 2012.03.24 01:05:00 -
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Roosterton wrote:Unless you want to start tackling some of the aformentioned points and stop throwing words like "nutter" around?
I really cant be bothered but in the interest of a meaningful discussion I will.
Roosterton wrote:The whole point of indoctrination is that the victim genuinely believes they are acting for the good of the galaxy
Exactly, the destruction of the Mass Relays would kill billions instantly and doom billions more to suffering and a slow death through starvation and war. Thats not a good way to convince someone they are acting in anyone's best interests. Besides it still misses the point, if the theory is true by that point Shepard's indoctrination was complete so why risk breaking the indoctrination by showing him the destruction of the Relays? The Reapers could have shown him anything, so why not show him that the control/synthesis worked and everything was shiny and happy?
Roosterton wrote: you're essentially breaking free from the reapers and denying their indoctrination attempt
Why bother with the indoctrination at all? The attack on the conduit had failed and Shepard would have been critically wounded, maybe even dying and completely at the mercy of Harbinger. There was no way they could stop Harbinger, it would have been more logical for Harbinger to either finish him off or capture Shepard and take him away to be indoctrinated at leisure rather than try to do it in a hurry in the ruins of London.
Roosterton wrote: Why bother making the rachni queen mention "oily shadows" in the context of indoctrination if the oily shadows Shepard sees in his dream aren't significant at all? Why would the codex of ME2 bother to mention that people suffering from indoctrination hear buzzing, then have James complain of hearing a buzzing noise, only for it to mean nothing?
The Rachni queen always describes thoughts as colours and music, human and Rachni thought processes are so different its unlikely they would share the same experiences. Besides if there is a connection between the way the Rachni perceive aspects of indoctrination and the way humans do why didn't Shepard also see "sour yellow notes" and the other ways the Rachni queen has described indoctrination.
If James heard the buzzing then that would mean James is suffering indoctrination and not Shepard, The buzzing sound is an hallucination caused by indoctrination not the cause of indoctrination. It is also possible that there is a very good reason why there are some actual indoctrination references throughout the game. Indoctrination was supposedly going to be a mechanic in the game that got cut, maybe they didn't remove every single reference in the game.
The stuff like trees appearing and the way the Citadel looks when Shepard boards it and anything else cut scene and CGI related is very easy to explain. The CGI and cut scenes are almost all incredibly sloppy, from Thane being fully dressed in his hospital deathbed because Bioware couldn't be bothered to make a unique textured model to the way squad mates carry weapons that they cannot even use let alone different to the one you equipped them with almost all the cut scenes are sloppily and lazily made.
If Bioware couldn't be bothered to make some of the games key scenes look right I find it very hard to believe that they would have gone to all the effort to subtly illustrate indoctrination by some low key hints in certain cut scenes.
There are almost as many holes and errors with the Indoctrination theory as there are in the game itself. Which is more believable? That a lazily made game with huge plot holes, inconsistencies and mistakes had a bad ending or a developer that lazily made a game with huge plot holes, inconsistencies and mistakes subtly crafted a hidden plot line into the end of the game?
Occam's razor is usually the safest bet. |

Roosterton
Syndicalis Immortalis The Skeleton Crew
337
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Posted - 2012.03.24 01:24:00 -
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Quote:Exactly, the destruction of the Mass Relays would kill billions instantly and doom billions more to suffering and a slow death through starvation and war. Thats not a good way to convince someone they are acting in anyone's best interests. Besides it still misses the point, if the theory is true by that point Shepard's indoctrination was complete so why risk breaking the indoctrination by showing him the destruction of the Relays? The Reapers could have shown him anything, so why not show him that the control/synthesis worked and everything was shiny and happy?
On the contrary, consider this from the Reapers' point of view. They were, after all, the ones who built the relays so that galactic civilizations would develop down the paths that they desire. No relays means civilization isn't bound to this "trap" anymore, freeing them from the reaper threat. While a paragon Shepard might refuse to kill so many people for that purpose, it's plausible that a renegade might be pleased by this notion. And since the reapers are violent, negative, and pessimistic, why shouldn't the reapers assume that Shepard is the same?
Quote:Why bother with the indoctrination at all? The attack on the conduit had failed and Shepard would have been critically wounded, maybe even dying and completely at the mercy of Harbinger. There was no way they could stop Harbinger, it would have been more logical for Harbinger to either finish him off or capture Shepard and take him away to be indoctrinated at leisure rather than try to do it in a hurry in the ruins of London.
You DID manage to unite the entire galaxy into a single fleet of badasses which was currently fighting the reapers head on. It's not entirely ridiculous to assume that the reapers were actually losing the battle, in which case Harbinger would want Shepard indoctrinated right then and there in order to manipulate the alliance fleet however necessary. A dead Shepard doesn't necessarily mean the fleet gets defeated, as it's still being led by Hackett & co. On the other hand, an indoctrinated Shepard telling the fleet to stand down and surrender for the purposes of trying to control the reapers could have devastating effects.
Re:Rachni - This is a valid point, I suppose. The rachni seem to have an obsession with music and sound, though, which could be why they would hear sour yellow notes while Shepard is only attuned to the sense of sight (the oily shadows.) On the other hand... Maybe that buzzing noise James hears IS a sour yellow note? (Not that I know how a musical note has a colour)
Re:James - It's not just James who hears the hum, see this video. You can clearly hear it, and it does sound somewhat reaperish. You might say that this is just some mechanical Normandy sound, but James has been serving on the Normandy for quite awhile - wouldn't he have noticed it before? As mentioned above, maybe this is what the rachni describe as a "sour yellow note."
Re:Trees - Sloppiness is a possibility, but what are the chances that they accidentally used the EXACT same trees that were used in Shepard's psychedelic dream sequences in the part of the game after you get hit by the beam? Additionally, this isn't only visible in a custscene, they're visible after you get up from taking the laser hit if you turn around and look behind you. There's clearly a tree sitting there which wasn't there before, and it's the same kind as the ones in your dreams.
Quote:Then there are the endings where Earth gets destroyed and noone survives the crash of the Normandy. What does that have to do with Indoctrination? Why if your EMS is low do you only get the option to destroy the Reapers, which is supposedly the way to escape the indoctrination attempt. The allied assault was a failure yet they try to indoctrinate him by only giving the hallucination that would allow him to escape Reaper control?
Ah, but in this ending, if your EMS is too low, you don't see the scene of Shepard waking up afterwards, implying that he dies. And it makes sense; if your EMS is too low, the Reapers presumably wiped out your fleet, so they have little need for an indoctrinated Shepard. They just let you die rather than indoctrinating you, and as you're dying, your mind is flooded with depressing images of Earth being decimated. (Which it is - just not by the Crucible.) |

Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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So what explanation is there for the extremely low EMS endings where Earth gets destroyed and the Normandy crew die? Why would the Reapers try to indoctrinate him by only giving him the option that would let him "break free" from the indoctrination attempt and then show him the vision of earth being destroyed?
In those endings the indoctrination theory makes no sense at all, if you look at it literally it makes perfect sense. (although it makes sense it doesn't make it a good ending)
Here is one of the Earth destroyed endings, how can the indoctrination theory fit that at all? |

Roosterton
Syndicalis Immortalis The Skeleton Crew
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Posted - 2012.03.24 01:47:00 -
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Quote:Here is one of the Earth destroyed endings, how can the indoctrination theory fit that at all?
The reapers just couldn't be bothered to indoctrinate him because they had won, and so Shepard ends up dreaming on his own.
Or, maybe Shepard is dreaming on his own regardless of what ending you get - it is possible that the "dream" is just Shepard's visual representation of the indoctrination attempt, and the reapers might not even be aware that Shepard is experiencing this dream, but are just unintentionally causing it because they try to indoctrinate him while he's unconscious. If your EMS is too low, Shepard ends up dying before the reapers are able to indoctrinate him, and he goes out envisioning all his friends dying horribly. If your EMS is high enough, though, Shepard lives long enough for Harbinger to indoctrinate him, which is why you get more endings.
Quote:So why is that scene like the others? If that whole scene is an hallucination caused by an Indoctrination attempt why bother at all? If he was dead he wouldn't be having the hallucination, and the loss of the fleet means they have no need to indoctrinating him if he was alive.
He's having the hallucination as he dies, and the reason we don't get other options is because the reapers don't bother trying to finish off their indoctrination attempt. |
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2012.03.24 01:50:00 -
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Roosterton wrote:Quote:Here is one of the Earth destroyed endings, how can the indoctrination theory fit that at all? The reapers just couldn't be bothered to indoctrinate him because they had won, and so Shepard ends up dreaming on his own. Or, maybe Shepard is dreaming on his own regardless of what ending you get - it is possible that the "dream" is just Shepard's visual representation of the indoctrination attempt, and the reapers might not even be aware that Shepard is experiencing this dream, but are just unintentionally causing it because they try to indoctrinate him while he's unconscious. If your EMS is too low, Shepard ends up dying before the reapers are able to indoctrinate him, and he goes out envisioning all his friends dying horribly. If your EMS is high enough, though, Shepard lives long enough for Harbinger to indoctrinate him, which is why you get more endings.
Now you are really grasping at straws.
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Roosterton
Syndicalis Immortalis The Skeleton Crew
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Posted - 2012.03.24 01:52:00 -
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Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Roosterton wrote:Quote:Here is one of the Earth destroyed endings, how can the indoctrination theory fit that at all? The reapers just couldn't be bothered to indoctrinate him because they had won, and so Shepard ends up dreaming on his own. Or, maybe Shepard is dreaming on his own regardless of what ending you get - it is possible that the "dream" is just Shepard's visual representation of the indoctrination attempt, and the reapers might not even be aware that Shepard is experiencing this dream, but are just unintentionally causing it because they try to indoctrinate him while he's unconscious. If your EMS is too low, Shepard ends up dying before the reapers are able to indoctrinate him, and he goes out envisioning all his friends dying horribly. If your EMS is high enough, though, Shepard lives long enough for Harbinger to indoctrinate him, which is why you get more endings. Now you are really grasping at straws.
Maybe, but your evidence isn't really hard proof. It doesn't discount all the other clues and bits, unless you manage to put down all these possibilities  |

Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2012.03.24 01:56:00 -
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Roosterton wrote:Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Roosterton wrote:Quote:Here is one of the Earth destroyed endings, how can the indoctrination theory fit that at all? The reapers just couldn't be bothered to indoctrinate him because they had won, and so Shepard ends up dreaming on his own. Or, maybe Shepard is dreaming on his own regardless of what ending you get - it is possible that the "dream" is just Shepard's visual representation of the indoctrination attempt, and the reapers might not even be aware that Shepard is experiencing this dream, but are just unintentionally causing it because they try to indoctrinate him while he's unconscious. If your EMS is too low, Shepard ends up dying before the reapers are able to indoctrinate him, and he goes out envisioning all his friends dying horribly. If your EMS is high enough, though, Shepard lives long enough for Harbinger to indoctrinate him, which is why you get more endings. Now you are really grasping at straws. Maybe, but your evidence isn't really hard proof. It doesn't discount all the other clues and bits, unless you manage to put down all these possibilities 
You seem fairly sensible, do you really believe that Shepard had a dream as he was dying about the Reapers trying to indoctrinate him by only offering him the option that would allow him to escape indoctrination attempt? |

Roosterton
Syndicalis Immortalis The Skeleton Crew
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Posted - 2012.03.24 02:22:00 -
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Quote:You seem fairly sensible, do you really believe that Shepard had a dream as he was dying about the Reapers trying to indoctrinate him by only offering him the option that would allow him to escape indoctrination attempt? I doubt that are daft enough to believe that. Also I don't know how you can have harder proof than one of the endings completely contradicting the indoctrination theory
It wasn't a dream about the reapers trying to indoctrinate him, it was a dream about him actually being successful, getting to the beam, and then failing horribly because he wasn't able to unite the galaxy well enough prior to his dream.
If Shepard knew the reapers were trying to indoctrinate him, it would somewhat defeat the purpose. |

Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2012.03.24 02:50:00 -
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra wrote:If you do a near perfect playthrough and choose the middle road ( unification of synthetic and organic life) you get a cutscene at the end where a small child asks Shepard (yes it says the name) when it can go to the stars (and the answer is someday you will).
You get that ending after every choice, it always plays after the credits.
The only real differences between the 3 endings is that if you have 4000 EMS and choose the red one, you get a scene where Shepard breathes while lying underneath rubble in London. This ONLY happens with the red ending and ONLY if you have 4000 or more EMS (and save Anderson, you need 5000 EMS if he dies). |

Keylah
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Came across this and had a good laugh :)
Mordin Solus |

Wild Rho
Silent Core
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:39:00 -
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Well I'll never be able to look at male shep the same way again...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpeRk1YFn8s&ob=av3e |

Keylah
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haha, that one is hillarious  |

Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:16:00 -
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It is a difficult choice between the brilliant and the hilarious FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! Louis's epic skill guide v1.1 |
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