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Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.20 01:04:00 - [31] Originally by: Lord Evangelian Originally by: Death4free oh noes an idiot got scammed in an internets spaceship game call the internet spaceships police SHUDDUP TROL! To Op: badluck for your loss, and thanks for letting us know... How quickly you are duped by an obvious attempt at a smear campaign. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y Owing to lack of Eve-related content, signature removed. If you would like to discuss this, please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Fofalus Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.05.20 01:05:00 - [32] Originally by: Zurrar oh, another thing. this is valuable information i posted in another post. 1. use a scout 2. use a scout 3. use a scout 4. use 5. a (refer to 4,6) 6. scout in lowsec/nullsec Refer to op that states it was all highsec.
Sidewayzracer Caldari Murder Training Facilites	Posted - 2008.05.20 01:22:00 - [33] Originally by: Xaeon Oh god, tinfoil-hat-time! 1. I killed you, it wasn't a scam you just happened to be in the right place at the right time. 2. Why carry more than 1bn of rigs in a T1 hauler? 3. As you clearly weren't afk, why were you auto-piloting? 4. The fact that they all died makes me sad This..... Hai Xaeon i see you are back too the old tricks of bringing pain and suffering to EVE. <3's welcome back!!
Ballistic CEO The Ballistic Corporation	Posted - 2008.05.20 01:22:00 - [34] Edited by: Ballistic CEO on 20/05/2008 01:22:54 on a semi serious note heres a few things: If you had put that $200 into your gametime it would have functioned correctly. The fact of the matter is you chose to sell them to other players for ISK, this also functioned correctly as you definately had some ISK. At that point it stopped being anyones problem but your own. The fact that you then dropped a billion in rigs into a very flimsy ship only serves to demonstrate why you should have just taken the game time tbh. but please, dont let this stop your rant its vastly entertaining
ikoban Amarr Scarlet Scourge Society	Posted - 2008.05.20 01:23:00 - [35] Well, seems fairly obvious. Whoa. Wait a minute. The words. Right, right, right. Say the words. Clatto! Verata! Nn... Necktie, necturn, nickle... noob... noobster... It's an 'n' word. It's definitely an 'n' word. It was definatly an 'n' word! Clatto! Verata! Nn(coughcough).
Marlenus Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage	Posted - 2008.05.20 01:32:00 - [36] I'm still imagining the conversation as legal affairs and the commanding officer begin to realize just how badly their valuable time has been wasted: "So, letÆs see if IÆve got this straight. You used real money to buy some kind of Monopoly money, or something like that, from some people in, where was it again, Iceland? And then you used this electronic Monopoly money to play a spaceship game, and to buy, what was it again? Brain implants? I can see why you might think you need them. And so then, you put these electronic brain implants -- that don't really exist -- into the cargo hold of a computer game spaceship, right? And went and flew it, and got caught by internet pirates? And thatÆs like, what the game is for, right? So now, you think, the people who run the game should give your money back? Why donÆt you run that by me again, I still think IÆm missing a step. And once weÆre done with this conversation ù which had better be soon ù IÆll see if we still have a Navy base in the Aleutian Islands where I can get you transferred." ------------------ Ironfleet.com
Orin Valari Caldari The Sycorax Syndicate The Cooperative	Posted - 2008.05.20 01:37:00 - [37] ahahahahahahahahahahaha This guy's military career just came to a screeching halt! I'm sure a re-read of the EULA is in order here :) Plus, why hold CCP accountable?
Divad Ginleek Gallente Gateway Industries House of Mercury	Posted - 2008.05.20 01:39:00 - [38] I feel sorry for your loss. But as the saying goes: Welcome to EVE! Since scamming, supported by game mechanics, is not against the EULA or TOS, as it is on some other games. There is little you can do legally... Also... the US military has little civilian legal authority to do anything to a non-contractor company based in the US, nevermind Iceland. So I doubt your actions will do any good. Let me explain it this way: CCP sold you GTC, which you then sold for isk. Isk is property of CCP, just like the items you were transporting, and the ship of the player that blew you up. Now, CCP sold you game time codes, not ISK. it was your choice to sell the GTC for isk, which you then put up as collateral on a contract, and got killed on the way to deliver it (surprise? no). How is this any fault of CCP? And how do you think a court will rule? (based on the fact that everything that was lost was property of CCP, and not yours in the first place.) Again, I do empathize with your loss, the total lack of morals this game supports sickens me at some times. But it's the almost total freedom, and infinite play-styles of EVE that makes this the best game ever created. This is a harsh, hardcore game world, you should always be looking over your shoulder and thinking of the worst possible scenario of any course of action before acting. Risk vs. reward. if its too good to be true, it probably is. and any number of other buyer beware sayings... ::insert witty signature here::
Bad Harlequin Minmatar Chiroptera Factor	Posted - 2008.05.20 01:42:00 - [39] Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 20/05/2008 01:43:41 Originally by: Death4free call the internet spaceships police um. what do you think 'ee just did here? edit: the rest of the thread is fail, but i hadda point that out. Of course, if you cry wolf, it tends to backfire quickly... Bottom line, being attacked in lowsec is um. Well. Like complaining you can't see the other side of the gate before you jump... Zleip > very, and this is more or less a post of humor that seriousness =)
Kyuzo Takeda Minmatar Black Dragon Crime Syndicate	Posted - 2008.05.20 01:44:00 - [40] Edited by: Kyuzo Takeda on 20/05/2008 01:45:41 To everyone who came up with random stories about what I was hauling: I was doing a courrier contract. I have no idea what was in the cargo. All I know is the collateral for it was 2billion isk. But that's besides the point. To everyone who thought it was low sec: Everything happened in high sec.
Orin Valari Caldari The Sycorax Syndicate The Cooperative	Posted - 2008.05.20 02:24:00 - [41] I am gonna sue CCP because a ship I was flying got blown up! isk has a real world value, someone destroyed my personal property! "thank you for coming to the law offices of Allen, Allen, Allen, & Allen how can we help you?" "Well see I was playing EVE and I had a space ship" "Eve is a game? You play on the internets?" "yes sir, anyways my spaceship was blown up by another player..." "Allen, Allen, and allen come listen to this guy's story" (suppressing laughter) "erm... yeah... well anyways see these isk... the in game currency-" "pretend money?" "yeah... well it has real world value and someone blew up my spaceship... I wanna sue" (uncontrollable laughter)
Xaeon Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2008.05.20 02:29:00 - [42] Oh it makes me feel a little warmer inside the longer this thread gets. Still wish it had dropped Chapter VIII 14/11/07
Skorgan Shard Caldari Mad Jester Mining	Posted - 2008.05.20 02:35:00 - [43] Originally by: Kyuzo Takeda Or how about a more serious situation. you go to an arcade. Buy some tokens with real life money. you go and try your tokens in various machines, you get to play, but you are so horrible that you die in 10 seconds. I go to the manager and say "Help I don't know how to play any of these games" the manager says: LOL, you got ganked! Fixed for you.
Avaricia The Accursed	Posted - 2008.05.20 02:54:00 - [44] Edited by: Avaricia on 20/05/2008 02:54:47 this has to be a troll. nobody could be this stupid. nobody. not even lord evangelion and his cloaking dominix. reign of terror griefmatic
Barsexual Caldari Castle Greyskull	Posted - 2008.05.20 02:55:00 - [45] Is this the kill? lol http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Kyuzo+Takeda&id=3372973&page=1&filter=losses#mail
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.20 02:59:00 - [46] Originally by: Kyuzo Takeda At this point it doesn't matter what any of you think though. I've taken this to a higher level than just a forum alert. I've already filed a formal complaint with IC3 and NW3C. As well as reporting it to my commanding officer in my chain of command. (i'm in the military). Hahaha thanks for the laugh. I hope you are not serious and that its just an attempt at trolling.
Biffidus Rex Australia and New Zealand Eve Corp	Posted - 2008.05.20 03:11:00 - [47] This guy will stop posting when his "chain of command" realises that he spent $200 on imaginary money which he used as collateral for a contract that he then failed to complete. He gambled his money and lost, how is this CCP's fault?
Gerber Baby	Posted - 2008.05.20 03:13:00 - [48] Originally by: Kyuzo Takeda Not when the situation is worded ever so carefully, by stating basic facts on the situation. They don't view it any different than if someone credit card scammed you on the internet. To put it in your language: "Sir, this company in Europe stole $200.00 from me." Either way, I gave him all of CCP's contact information and he told me he would take care of it personally, and also contact the legal branch here on base. Either way, CCP can expect some phone calls from several United States military officers; and perhaps even some people from IC3, if they accept my case as well. I'm holding CCP at fault here and accusing CCP of stealing $200.00 from me if isk is not returned. 2 things. 1. CCP did not steal 200 dollars from you. You bought the gtc's from some other company, then sold them through an allowed system. You do not have to use this system, you just wanted quick isk. Fine, so you used that isk, like anyone else would use that isk, and accepted a contract. It turns out that the contract was a trick to snag 2 billion from you. You didn't (seem) to consider 2 billion as an outrageous sum to move some items in empire, and you took it in a weak t1 hauler. You died to game mechanics that are allowed by CCP. CCP's game has nothing to do with real life, and as such, what is allowed in game has no moral connections with what real life, unless you want to think it does. To top if off, if you read the EULA, it states that all things in game belong to CCP. SO.... ... basically, you traded your game time codes you bought, for in game money, which is then under the ownership of CCP. You are simply allowed to do what you want in game with that money, as it is ccp's property. Sorry, but you got ganked, and I'm laughing my ass off. 2. I bet your Commanding Officer laughed after you left the room.
Wu Jiun State War Academy	Posted - 2008.05.20 03:16:00 - [49] And some people wonder why the iraq war turned out to be such a mess... Anyway nice troll but a little too far fetched. The killmail also doesn't fit the story.
Kyuzo Takeda Minmatar Black Dragon Crime Syndicate	Posted - 2008.05.20 04:43:00 - [50] Since CCP supports, sponsors, and condones the selling of gtc's for isk, to in affect, gain them more revenue, it is infact their responsibility (even more so) that they ensure players are not scammed or stolen from.
Billy Sastard Amarr Life. Universe. Everything.	Posted - 2008.05.20 04:49:00 - [51] Originally by: Kyuzo Takeda Since CCP supports, sponsors, and condones the selling of gtc's for isk, to in affect, gain them more revenue, it is infact their responsibility (even more so) that they ensure players are not scammed or stolen from. Obvious troll is obvious. -=^=- My views do not represent my alliance. TBH, my posts do not even represent my own views...I am posting while asleep.
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.05.20 04:52:00 - [52] EVE requires thinking.... I have done currier missions a number of time... and I never use the same character to carry the package, as the one who accepts it. I remember how people tried to pull same thing on me, and were baffled why I am in a Crow... and the package is 10,000 M3. ... figure it out...
Sidewayzracer Caldari Murder Training Facilites	Posted - 2008.05.20 04:54:00 - [53] OP you're a idiot tbh. my lover gheyeon here ganked you while you were on autopilot as niarja is a well know suicide spot. He did scam you, you scammed yourself. GL and have fun playing WOW because EVE just isnt for you.
Lana Tsipar Caldari Life. Universe. Everything.	Posted - 2008.05.20 05:03:00 - [54] Originally by: Sidewayzracer OP you're a idiot tbh. my lover gheyeon here ganked you while you were on autopilot as niarja is a well know suicide spot. He did scam you, you scammed yourself. GL and have fun playing WOW because EVE just isnt for you. now is that pronounced "*** on" ?
Gerber Baby	Posted - 2008.05.20 05:03:00 - [55] Originally by: Kyuzo Takeda Since CCP supports, sponsors, and condones the selling of gtc's for isk, to in affect, gain them more revenue, it is infact their responsibility (even more so) that they ensure players are not scammed or stolen from. Except.. that what you do in game with your isk, regardless of how you get it, is to follow rules set by ccp. Those rules involve the fact that you can be bbq'ed and lose it, have it stolen through means you agree to in part (scams), and other such trickery. You lost your isk through means that ccp allows. Its like saying you bought a battleship, got ganked in empire, and went to ccp saying that you bought a gtc for the isk to buy the battleship, and since it got ganked without your consent they should reimburse you. How you lost your isk is a tactic allowed by cpp, and regardless of how you got the isk it is up to ccp to decide what happens to it IN THEIR GAME, as after all, it IS THEIR PROPERTY. To top it off, because that isk is their property, and their choice what can be done with it, your argument that they stole 200 dollars is moot. I dont feel like explaining it again, so if you think otherwise, I'm afraid any case you place against CCP will fail as you are trying to tell them that what they did with their property is not allowed. You pay to play the game that they define, by paying you do not own any of it. You are only allowed to use it. So... in short, GTFOI - Get the F*** Over It, you got scammed, sucks to be you!
Tiirae The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.05.20 05:24:00 - [56] I don't know which is more ridiculous; the idea of somebody suing CCP for money lost as isk in-game, or the idea of somebody suing anybody over $200. I would say it's a troll but the guy posted with his main. Could anyone be this stupid? I certainly hope so :) OP, just to make this clear: It doesn't matter what you think, there is no court in the world that could examine the situation and find in your favour. End of story.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.05.20 05:36:00 - [57] Originally by: Kyuzo Takeda It's not right because real stealing is not right. That isk I used as collateral was isk I paid for using the legal time-code selling market that CCP sponsers and supports. So either Baronsold stole real money from me or CCP did. Either way, if you have any morals, you would see it's not right. Flawed game mechanics cost me real money. And this, kids, is why BUYING ISK is bad. Let's see... Was this your first courier contract ever ? Are you SURE it was a scam ? Was this your first time hauling valuable stuff around ? To put it in not so many words, you were hauling 1 bil worth of goods in an eggshell. Would have they been YOUR goods, not somebody else's courier, they would have STILL suicide-ganked you. It wasn't a scam, it was YOUR lack of experience that caused the loss. The fact that you somehow think paying real-life cash for that ISK entitles you to some protection... laughable ! 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Gerber Baby	Posted - 2008.05.20 06:00:00 - [58] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 20/05/2008 05:43:19 Originally by: Kyuzo Takeda It's not right because real stealing is not right. That isk I used as collateral was isk I paid for using the legal time-code selling market that CCP sponsers and supports. So either Baronsold stole real money from me or CCP did. Either way, if you have any morals, you would see it's not right. Flawed game mechanics cost me real money. And this, kids, is why BUYING ISK is bad. It makes you stupid. Let's see... Was this your first courier contract ever ? Are you SURE it was a scam ? Was this your first time hauling valuable stuff around ? To put it in not so many words, you were hauling 1 bil worth of goods in an eggshell. Would have they been YOUR goods, not somebody else's courier, they would have STILL suicide-ganked you. It wasn't a scam, it was YOUR lack of experience that caused the loss. The fact that you somehow think paying real-life cash for that ISK entitles you to some protection... laughable ! You get treated EXACTLY THE SAME as each and every other player who's ever been suicide-ganked. It was YOUR choice to haul such a valuable cargo in such a dinghy boat. YOUR stupidity, YOUR loss, NONE of CCP's concern. HOW you got that ISK to begin with ? IRRELEVANT ! The fact you actually paid money to buy GTCs to sell for ISK makes it even worse... for YOU. Besides, you didn't buy the ISK from CCP anyway... you paid another player's subscription so he would give you that ISK. I love it when Akita flames people. It makes me feel good knowing Akita can say it 100x better than I can, and with style. The best part of the flames from Akita? They are true!
Billy Sastard Amarr Life. Universe. Everything.	Posted - 2008.05.20 06:16:00 - [59] Originally by: Gerber Baby I love it when Akita flames people. It makes me feel good knowing Akita can say it 100x better than I can, and with style. The best part of the flames from Akita? They are true! The best flames always are -=^=- My views do not represent my alliance. TBH, my posts do not even represent my own views...I am posting while asleep.
Sidewayzracer Caldari Murder Training Facilites	Posted - 2008.05.20 07:00:00 - [60] Originally by: Lana Tsipar Originally by: Sidewayzracer OP you're a idiot tbh. my lover gheyeon here ganked you while you were on autopilot as niarja is a well know suicide spot. He did scam you, you scammed yourself. GL and have fun playing WOW because EVE just isnt for you. now is that pronounced "*** on" ? no its spelled right gheyeon = xaeon w/ more man love

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