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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.03.06 19:05:00 -
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Little more Dev Info.
CCP Ytterbium wrote:The skill requirement changes for destroyers and battlecruisers is very tricky to tackle indeed. We fully acknowledge having to re-train for ships you can already fly is not appealing at all.
As said in the blog, nothing is set in stone yet, we are considering various reimbursement options as this is still quite a high level change.
EDIT SO PEOPLE CAN SEE IT:
New destroyer and battlecruiser skills would be same rank than existing ones
We have a "if you could fly it before, you can fly it now" philosophy, that means properly reimbursing/giving skills not to leave people stranded in ships they could fly before the change. Again, nothing is fixed yet.
So you don't have to search the Threadnaught.
Pr0 Tip: Devs have been talking about this so the Dev Finder has all their recent posts at the top. |
Jame Jarl Retief
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.06 19:14:00 -
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On one hand, I like it. Never did make sense to me how you could just skip Destroyers (and Battlecruisers, if you wanted to). Also anything that makes it easier for them to balance ships is a good thing. Because, let's face it, after 9 years the game is still far, far, FAR from balanced. One look at "preferred" ships for various activities shows this in all its gory glory.
On the other hand, they need to think some major reimbursement. For example, what happens to people who have all four factions trained up to Battleship? Will we lose access to our current Battleships because we don't have high enough Battlecruiser skill? No big deal, but annoying.
Similarly, what happens if you like to fly Battlecruisers of each race? Currently, a single skill allows it. After the change, training three skills up to level 4 just to unlock Battleships you used to be able to fly? Brrr!
Bottom line, sounds very, very messy. Not the change itself, but rather the transition. If I were doing it, I would remove ALL ship skills and reimburse people with the points and let them figure out what they want.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
842
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Posted - 2012.03.06 19:14:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Little more Dev Info. CCP Ytterbium wrote:The skill requirement changes for destroyers and battlecruisers is very tricky to tackle indeed. We fully acknowledge having to re-train for ships you can already fly is not appealing at all.
As said in the blog, nothing is set in stone yet, we are considering various reimbursement options as this is still quite a high level change.
EDIT SO PEOPLE CAN SEE IT:
New destroyer and battlecruiser skills would be same rank than existing ones
We have a "if you could fly it before, you can fly it now" philosophy, that means properly reimbursing/giving skills not to leave people stranded in ships they could fly before the change. Again, nothing is fixed yet. So you don't have to search the Threadnaught. Pr0 Tip: Devs have been talking about this so the Dev Finder has all their recent posts at the top.
Search the threadnaught? LOL
It's post 13.
Mr Epeen 
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Trainwreck McGee
Ghost Ship Inc.
231
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Posted - 2012.03.06 19:15:00 -
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TBH i think its in general its a good idea.
To people who have not been playing this game for a long time and ignorant vets stop saying its dumbing down EVE......ffs the way CCP poorly implemented MOST things WAS DUMB and should be fixed.....
CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.03.06 19:16:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Search the threadnaught? LOL It's post 13. Mr Epeen
I don't know the number I have just been pulling them from the Dev Finder.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2012.03.06 19:23:00 -
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Dumbing down eve?
More like making it more complicated.
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
150
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Posted - 2012.03.06 19:29:00 -
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So, let's see...cap ships much easier to get into.
Time to start hoarding minerals and cranking out caps.
Less requirements = less game experienced (not the same as ingame skills) players in caps = more losses = greater demand for caps = greater sale of plexes in game as the kiddies can't wait to grind ISK for shiny = more ISK in game = inflation = everything costs more.
Brilliant CCP. Someone can turn the key on a carrier faster than they can pilot a T2 cruiser. It is of course a completely different thing about flying the ship WELL, but that is irrelevant. The marketing geniuses that thought this up know that a 13 year old kid will not care about getting the proper skills to fly one well, as opposed to flying one quickly.
Going to be pretty dumb indeed.
Recruiter: Do you have advanced weapons upgrade V and are you able to use T2 medium guns?
6 month old char: No, but I can climb into a Nyx. |
Malken
bucket of crAp
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Posted - 2012.03.06 19:30:00 -
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im interested in how the split of lets say the Battlecruiser skill to racial will work out.
i got all races frig/cruiser/BS to 5 and Battlecruiser skill.
would i be forced to have caldari only at 5?, and then buy and train up the other races again??
wondering since im slightly overqualified in the racial game since way back when CCP fubared my amarr ships.
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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
186
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Posted - 2012.03.06 19:30:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Dumbing down eve?
More like making it more complicated.
eves always been about specalisation etc and this makes alot of sense. While im not super chuffed about learnign the new stuff, its more about removing unessery tedious stuff for the new players.
I wish everything eve is now, was like it when i joined because id be doing way better for it overall by now thats for sure.
As long as im not robbed of any ships i fly, which the devs say is their goal, free sp to fill the gap or whatever is doable to make the game that much more solid overall for the future. |
Jett0
Team Kitty Choke Slam
71
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Posted - 2012.03.06 19:31:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Dumbing down eve?
More like making it more complicated.
Agreed.
If this works as intended, we might see as much as double the number of hulls commonly seen. Maybe I'll actually have a reason to fly a Prophecy after this. |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
370
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Posted - 2012.03.06 19:36:00 -
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Caps a and Tech 3s for everyone!!!
you win a cap!
and you win a cap!
You all win caps!!!!
/Oprah meme |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3379
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Posted - 2012.03.06 19:37:00 -
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Becuase they're not just screwing trees up.
They are going to go in and hamemr alot of ships back out.
No more frigates with 4 slots total becuase its a 'tier 2'
No more cruisers that make you go wtf are you flying that for?
I mean overall people who enjoy flying tech 1's should celebrate this is the buff they're looking for.
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.03.06 19:39:00 -
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Dbars Grinding wrote:Caps a and Tech 3s for everyone!!!
you win a cap!
and you win a cap!
You all win caps!!!!
Best reaction yet.
I would like an Archon with a Bumper Sticker that says I am to Sexy for this Thread.
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Jame Jarl Retief
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.06 19:40:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:
No more frigates with 4 slots total becuase its a 'tier 2'
No more cruisers that make you go wtf are you flying that for?
Honestly, this. This is all I'm asking for.
I told a buddy I'm training for a Nemesis, and he said "Dear god, why?! Go Hound or Manticore." If they fix this stuff, I don't care what I have to train for it, I'll be one happy camper.
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Alara IonStorm
1732
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Posted - 2012.03.06 19:42:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Becuase they're not just screwing trees up.
They are going to go in and hamemr alot of ships back out.
No more frigates with 4 slots total becuase its a 'tier 2'
No more cruisers that make you go wtf are you flying that for?
I mean overall people who enjoy flying tech 1's should celebrate this is the buff they're looking for.
As an RvB'er who enjoys using those crap ships and has a front row seat to their terribleness I am very happy.
Might even see them flying around outside of RvB.  |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3379
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Posted - 2012.03.06 19:43:00 -
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Predicts market crash in 3 months as suddenly useless ships become suddenly useful? :D
I am seriously thinking about sitting down and making a thought out post concerning this that will hopefully hush some people up.
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FeralShadow
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
68
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Posted - 2012.03.06 19:48:00 -
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Honestly I think it's long overdue. There is no dumbing down, simply removing artificial barriers to ship balancing. Sure, no tiers are a "scary proposition" because we're so used to them ,but we really do need rebalancing on a lot of ships. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
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Posted - 2012.03.06 19:50:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Predicts market crash in 3 months as suddenly useless ships become suddenly useful? :D
I am seriously thinking about sitting down and making a thought out post concerning this that will hopefully hush some people up.
My you sure are an optimist. Are you sure you're on the right forums? |
Nikodiemus
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:20:00 -
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The changes are not to dumb down Eve and it's simply stupid to think as such. The changes are to remove the barriers to balance and make all ships useful again. If anyone out there thinks it's a move to "dumb down" Eve, what do you call the current status quo with homogenous drake fleets and most of the ships existent completely useless?
And the argument that reducing capital training time will increase the number of capitals is the same faulty logic that CCP adopted by making Titans so expensive and difficult to produce so it would limit their numbers. The players will always find a way.
I applaud at least the general direction the changes are going and look forward to flying ships I don't for more reasons than a novelty factor. |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
163
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:24:00 -
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Time to train up so I can fly BCs (BC to V) and Destroyers (to V) of all races and then buy one of each so I can petition CCP to give my the SP to cover the sudden loss of ability? No way that kind of thing won't cause ripples.
I don't mind them doing it, but I am not sure how they are going to do it fairly.
I don't always finish my commentary, but when I do |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:33:00 -
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MadMuppet wrote:Time to train up so I can fly BCs (BC to V) and Destroyers (to V) of all races and then buy one of each so I can petition CCP to give my the SP to cover the sudden loss of ability? No way that kind of thing won't cause ripples.
I don't mind them doing it, but I am not sure how they are going to do it fairly.
They haven't said how they will do it but they have said this.
CCP Soundwave wrote:No one is saying you have to retrain them. Our principle for the reimbursement here will be "if you could fly it yesterday, you can still fly it today". Ytterbium will post the further details of this once it's written up. |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:36:00 -
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Having generic Battle Cruiser and Destroyer Skills always seemed wrong with every other ships having racial I-V... But I really don't care in the long run... |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
163
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:51:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:MadMuppet wrote:Time to train up so I can fly BCs (BC to V) and Destroyers (to V) of all races and then buy one of each so I can petition CCP to give my the SP to cover the sudden loss of ability? No way that kind of thing won't cause ripples.
I don't mind them doing it, but I am not sure how they are going to do it fairly. They haven't said how they will do it but they have said this. CCP Soundwave wrote:No one is saying you have to retrain them. Our principle for the reimbursement here will be "if you could fly it yesterday, you can still fly it today". Ytterbium will post the further details of this once it's written up.
And I did read this as well. I am not posting a 'sky is falling' comment, but a potential abuse of the system. As it stands right now, you would potentially benefit hugely if you have Destroyer to V (500,000 SP) and Battlecruiser to V (1.5 million SP) done now because to 'make it fair and flyable' you would suddenly have to be given four Racial Destroyer to V and four Racial Battlecruiser to V or a bonus of potentially 6million SP under the current system. So long as I had the required skills to fly all four races I could lay claim to such a thing, and that only requires a day of training for per race to claim. But failure to plan such a thing ahead of time could mean the potential of having to train that same six million SP in the future if you wanted it.
The people in the middle are the ones who are going to be pissed off.
I don't always finish my commentary, but when I do |
Mister Alt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:53:00 -
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If they do as they say and let you fly everything you can now then there's going to be some major SP whorage.
Either:
1) They look at which cruisers you have to 3 and give you enough SP to get the racial battlecruiser skills to whatever you ahve battlecruisers at now, at which point everyone and their ****** cousin trains every cruiser to 3 for more remappable SP, regardless of whether they put it into that racial BC.
Or, well... I dont know.
What I do know is someone shouldnt let their cousin do game design.
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Avid Bumhumper
Furian Necromongers
24
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:55:00 -
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Cyrus Deacon wrote:Jesus christ... Is this the prelude to "press a button and something awesome should happen" ?
Decreasing capital train time is the stupidest ******* idea since WiS
Due to an increase in the availability of "Super Coffins" They need some really dumb noobs to train it up really fast to get the market moving again....
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:56:00 -
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MadMuppet wrote:
The people in the middle are the ones who are going to be pissed off.
And the rest after that because they are increasing training time. Yes their will be a cut off sure and some people will beo n the wrong side of that and have to train like every new player.
It would not surprise me if the lowered SP Requirements on ships to cover the new skills. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic
Tragedy.
1179
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Posted - 2012.03.06 21:02:00 -
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Read the Devblog 3 times...I fail to see where they say they are killing the Tier system.
EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
845
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Posted - 2012.03.06 21:05:00 -
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Avid Bumhumper wrote:Cyrus Deacon wrote:Jesus christ... Is this the prelude to "press a button and something awesome should happen" ?
Decreasing capital train time is the stupidest ******* idea since WiS Due to an increase in the availability of "Super Coffins" They need some really dumb noobs to train it up really fast to get the market moving again....
That would be fukin' hilarious if this was all because there were more Supers than pilots to fly them.
Tin foil time.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Alara IonStorm
1742
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Posted - 2012.03.06 21:07:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Read the Devblog 3 times...I fail to see where they say they are killing the Tier system.
It is right here.
Dev Blog wrote:Introducing ship lines
That is why we want to remove ship tiers altogether, then refocus our balancing philosophy to be based on role. That means finding common themes, or lines that fit ships with the same purpose, then adjusting slot layout, HP and fittings within each class to support this goal. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3381
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Posted - 2012.03.06 21:09:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Nova Fox wrote:Predicts market crash in 3 months as suddenly useless ships become suddenly useful? :D
I am seriously thinking about sitting down and making a thought out post concerning this that will hopefully hush some people up. My you sure are an optimist. Are you sure you're on the right forums?
yes but I am going to address this to the masses not ccp this time.
Still cost of the books will still get in the way of people sitting in caps. Then supporting skills...
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