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Buzzmong Aliastra Gallente Federation 152	Posted - 2012.03.07 00:37:00 - [91] - Quote Masamune Dekoro wrote: Meh, Skills are skills... Training time is merely an inconvenience. "That is why we want to remove ship tiers altogether, then refocus our balancing philosophy to be based on role. That means finding common themes, or lines that fit ships with the same purpose, then adjusting slot layout, HP and fittings within each class to support this goal." This is the most important thing in the dev blog, imo. Long overdue, and will breath new life back into a helluva lot of ships if they can pull it off. Here's hoping. Some of us have been asking for tiericide for ages. Glad it's finally happening. Hopefully it will mean half the T1 ships are no longer useless.
Dumgard Sigma Dynamics 14	Posted - 2012.03.07 00:41:00 - [92] - Quote Are you serious, CCP? Stop messing EVE up, and do something constructive. You keep ruining my EVE. You are acting like a bunch of politicians. When one idea gets shot down from the community, you back down a little bit and then come out with another stupid idea a week later!
Nephilius Grey Legionaires 327	Posted - 2012.03.07 00:54:00 - [93] - Quote Hanakar wrote: If this goes live, they just need to reset everyone's skill points and let us decide how to respend it. I'm down for this. To stand before a man at an inquisition, knowing that he will rejoice when we die, knowing that he will commit us to the stake and its horrors without a moment's hesitation or remorse if we do not satisfy him, is not an experience much less cruel because our inquisitor does not whip us or rack us or shout at us.
Ayuren Aakiwa Wyvern Operations 14	Posted - 2012.03.07 00:55:00 - [94] - Quote This is a good idea, besides the whole capital ships thing...
Aqriue Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 485	Posted - 2012.03.07 01:24:00 - [95] - Quote Good reason to get into a cap quicker Holding alt for another account. watches walls get sucked in from the massive intake of breath Yes, thats a good reason. Cause now CCP will make more money with people making secondary accounts to hold cap ships while the main still flys around until the cap is needed. You don't need perfect skills to sit in one, just use it in combat. Which makes for other people who don't fly caps able to steal them easier, then jump out and log until its sold/transfered/what ever. Oh wait...seems to go in a good direction any way you look at it . Only a tool flys a cap with crap skills, his alliance is full of idiots for not checking to see its not properly skilled, and the bad guys...don't ******* care cause it just pads the KB.
Sasha Azala Blood and Decay 57	Posted - 2012.03.07 01:43:00 - [96] - Quote Doc Severide wrote: Having generic Battle Cruiser and Destroyer Skills always seemed wrong with every other ships having racial I-V... But I really don't care in the long run... I think it's a bad idea where this is concerned, it means that it'll take longer to get into a BS for starters, it takes long enough when you consider all the other skills you need as well. So I don't see the point making it longer. I don't see any reason to split destroyers and BCs up after all they're only really larger frigates and cruisers. It's just adding training for the sake of training. Like a lot of others I also don't see the point of shortening the time to get into capitals. Making the ships more useful is one thing, but making it longer to train for some smaller ships is pointless. Reducing what's available to use ingame by increasing the time to use them is the wrong way to go, especially with BS and smaller ships.
Digital Messiah Heroic Era 138	Posted - 2012.03.07 01:53:00 - [97] - Quote Giving roles to lower tier ships, reworking and balancing ships, adding new specializations, and breathing new life into this old universe! I can't see anything wrong here. For those worried about the skill reimbursement. Think of how much better the game will be after everything is said and done? I am to lazy to do any theory crafting on how much sp will need to be dished out to make this work. But not so much that it will break the game. "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" Enter a Heroic Era Today
Keen Fallsword Billionaires Club BLACK-MARK 33	Posted - 2012.03.07 02:30:00 - [98] - Quote AT FIRST PLACE CCP YOU SHOULD MAKE ALL RACES PLAYABLE !!!! YOU HAVE SO UNBALNACED RACES AND WANT TO MAKE THIS GAME EVEN WORST ? YOU ARE REBALANCING GALLENTE (and you cant even done this fu...ing simple thing) AND THEY STILL SUCKS. AND NOW YOU WANT ADD RACIALS SKILLS ??? THINK YOU MORRONS !!! You cant balance this game as it is now and you just started another stupid idea ... you are stupid ... I will quit this game if this happen. F U Very Much no comments ....
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 851	Posted - 2012.03.07 02:35:00 - [99] - Quote Keen Fallsword wrote: AYOU WANT ADD RACIALS SKILLS ??? THINK YOU MORRONS !!! Humor? Or irony? vOv Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too!
Shogun Archer Phoenix Rise Industries 2	Posted - 2012.03.07 02:40:00 - [100] - Quote Keen Fallsword wrote: I will quit this game if this happen. F U Very Much no comments .... Oh the power the whiners wield. This is a new tactic...
Nick Bison Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd 16	Posted - 2012.03.07 02:55:00 - [101] - Quote Shogun Archer wrote: Keen Fallsword wrote: I will quit this game if this happen. F U Very Much no comments .... Oh the power the whiners wield. This is a new tactic... Just once I wish all these "whine first, think later" people would really ragequit !
Soporo 19	Posted - 2012.03.07 02:55:00 - [102] - Quote Quote: Giving roles to lower tier ships, reworking and balancing ships, adding new specializations, and breathing new life into this old universe! I can't see anything wrong here. Yeah, this sounds great, let's see what the implementation is like. Edit: new life would better served by more space, more npc space, bettter and more LowSuck, etc.,imo. As for the other... YOU WANT TO MAKE CAPITALS EASIER TO GET INTO AND SUBCAPS HARDER TO GET INTO?! ROFL! Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - H.L. Mencken
Docter Daniel Jackson The Scope Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2012.03.07 03:00:00 - [103] - Quote Keen Fallsword wrote: AT FIRST PLACE CCP YOU SHOULD MAKE ALL RACES PLAYABLE !!!! YOU HAVE SO UNBALNACED RACES AND WANT TO MAKE THIS GAME EVEN WORST ? YOU ARE REBALANCING GALLENTE (and you cant even done this fu...ing simple thing) AND THEY STILL SUCKS. AND NOW YOU WANT ADD RACIALS SKILLS ??? THINK YOU MORRONS !!! You cant balance this game as it is now and you just started another stupid idea ... you are stupid ... I will quit this game if this happen. F U Very Much no comments .... If your that unhappy, why dont u leave right now? ow wait because ur like ever other gamer ur cry but never leave.
Keen Fallsword Billionaires Club BLACK-MARK 33	Posted - 2012.03.07 03:03:00 - [104] - Quote Docter Daniel Jackson wrote: Keen Fallsword wrote: AT FIRST PLACE CCP YOU SHOULD MAKE ALL RACES PLAYABLE !!!! YOU HAVE SO UNBALNACED RACES AND WANT TO MAKE THIS GAME EVEN WORST ? YOU ARE REBALANCING GALLENTE (and you cant even done this fu...ing simple thing) AND THEY STILL SUCKS. AND NOW YOU WANT ADD RACIALS SKILLS ??? THINK YOU MORRONS !!! You cant balance this game as it is now and you just started another stupid idea ... you are stupid ... I will quit this game if this happen. F U Very Much no comments .... If your that unhappy, why dont u leave right now? ow wait because ur like ever other gamer ur cry but never leave. Well not really i had break 7 m Im back few months now.
Keen Fallsword Billionaires Club BLACK-MARK 33	Posted - 2012.03.07 03:06:00 - [105] - Quote Nick Bison wrote: Shogun Archer wrote: Keen Fallsword wrote: I will quit this game if this happen. F U Very Much no comments .... Oh the power the whiners wield. This is a new tactic... Just once I wish all these "whine first, think later" people would really ragequit ! You will see another wave soon. No worries ! Just chill and be ready all world will be yours !!
Shogun Archer Phoenix Rise Industries 2	Posted - 2012.03.07 03:15:00 - [106] - Quote Keen Fallsword wrote: Nick Bison wrote: Shogun Archer wrote: Keen Fallsword wrote: I will quit this game if this happen. F U Very Much no comments .... Oh the power the whiners wield. This is a new tactic... Just once I wish all these "whine first, think later" people would really ragequit ! You will see another wave soon. No worries ! Just chill and be ready all world will be yours !! Awesome !
Roll Sizzle Beef Space Mutiny 86	Posted - 2012.03.07 03:15:00 - [107] - Quote Soporo wrote: YOU WANT TO MAKE CAPITALS EASIER TO GET INTO AND SUBCAPS HARDER TO GET INTO?! ROFL! Yeah because they wont add shield skills to increase that lost training time... Or have skills to make the old subcaps useful for bitter vets... oh wait... CCP Ytterbium wrote: reducing training requirements for various ship classes is not a side-effect we are necessarily happy with. That is why we want to introduce new skills, tied with the new concept of ship lines... Removing the tier system makes it significantly easier for us to balance ships, as there is no more artificial barrier dictating ship attributes... ...groups vessels into easily identifiable lines for each race and allow us to add new skills to support them.
Ariel Dawn F9X 741	Posted - 2012.03.07 03:18:00 - [108] - Quote These changes by CPP make sense. Removing tiers is a great thing and will bring lots of new options to EVE if done properly. I don't understand why people complain; there's plenty of opportunity to train up BC/Destroyer to 5 should you want to do so. CCP said you'll be able to fly every ship you can fly currently anyway. Having 5 steps (Frig Dest Cruiser BC BS) instead of 3 gives CCP room to significantly flesh out Destroyers and BCs, especially with the abolishment of tiers. AKA probably more ships to come in the future.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 5276	Posted - 2012.03.07 03:19:00 - [109] - Quote Excellent change. A move away from the brainless GÇ£durrGÇª bigger is betterGÇ¥ and towards a more intelligent selection of ships where you pick the right ship for the task, even among the T1s. The transition will be messy, sure, but it will be for the better (and I'm not being affected in any wayGÇª so yay for being nerf-proof ). This will smarten up the game considerably. The only ever-so-slight worry is the reduced requirement for caps, but the only real change this will make is that it will be a bit easier to create a supercap-parking alt. Big deal. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Soporo 19	Posted - 2012.03.07 03:31:00 - [110] - Quote The Ship Lines idea sounds interesting, but... GÇóBombardment ships: provide heavy fire support to pin the enemy down with constant barrage of ordnance. Have great damage and range, average defense and mobility. Can be compared to artillery. EVE examples: Raven, Drake, caracal. That statement makes no sense to me. How do you "pin down" someone with delayed damage dps, or any kinda dps for that matter, in EVE? True, irl artillery tends to pin down units in land warfare because, well: painfull, hot, sharp, flying sh*t and concussions are wreaking havoc all over. In EVE though? PS: No one (with a clue) ever called Cruise great damage or even very good damage, but maybe that will change, eh? Feel free to halve Cruise range and add some more dps+ expl velocity and radius, we won't mind. Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - H.L. Mencken
Stella SGP 58	Posted - 2012.03.07 03:35:00 - [111] - Quote The changes does not have to happen all at once. When CCP has finalized the changes, assuming it is whats been said in the Dev Blog, then - Step 1 - Release new skill several months in advance while giving out 1 free remap. This gives players the option to start training them early. Step 2 - On release day, reduce the skills requirements and bonus for T2 Destroyers and T2 Battlecruisers to Racial Frigate 5 and Racial Cruiser 5 respectively, previously requiring Destroyers and Battlecruisers Level 5. Leaving Command Ships and Interdictors skill bonus as it is. While reimbursing trained SPs in Destroyers and Battlecruisers skill. Step 3 - After several more months, then finalize the proposed changes to the new skill requirements for T2 Destroyers and T2 Battlecruisers, requiring level 5 in the new Racial Destroyers and Racial Battlecruisers skill. This method maybe a long drawn one, but CCP does not have to give out any free SPs, which I'm totally against. Also, I'm not too concerned about T1 Destroyers or T1 Battlecruisers as training the new Racial skills to level 4 doesn't take long anyway.
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 500	Posted - 2012.03.07 03:36:00 - [112] - Quote Tippia wrote: Excellent change. A move away from the brainless GÇ£durrGÇª bigger is betterGÇ¥ and towards a more intelligent selection of ships where you pick the right ship for the task, even among the T1s. The transition will be messy, sure, but it will be for the better (and I'm not being affected in any wayGÇª so yay for being nerf-proof ). This will smarten up the game considerably. The only ever-so-slight worry is the reduced requirement for caps, but the only real change this will make is that it will be a bit easier to create a supercap-parking alt. Big deal. Now that more specific info from CCP has come out, I am warming-up to this, I recant my original "dumbing down" statement . I don't like the reduced requirements for caps, but I stay out of those parades :Capitals Online: . We'll see how messy the transition is, I can't wrap my head around exactly how to make that entirely fair, but I will be training up any deficient alts in the meantime, "just in case". The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1767	Posted - 2012.03.07 03:50:00 - [113] - Quote Tippia wrote: The only ever-so-slight worry is the reduced requirement for caps, but the only real change this will make is that it will be a bit easier to create a supercap-parking alt. Big deal. Regular caps are awesome and I'd love to see it made easier for newer people to get into them. Hopefully the balance that out by making supercaps harder to get into (or just remove them). The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Grey Stormshadow draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 1031	Posted - 2012.03.07 04:02:00 - [114] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: Tippia wrote: The only ever-so-slight worry is the reduced requirement for caps, but the only real change this will make is that it will be a bit easier to create a supercap-parking alt. Big deal. Regular caps are awesome and I'd love to see it made easier for newer people to get into them. Hopefully the balance that out by making supercaps harder to get into (or just remove them). Woot... you just poasted non Anti-WIS related comment. Thumbs! Get
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1767	Posted - 2012.03.07 04:10:00 - [115] - Quote Grey Stormshadow wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: Tippia wrote: The only ever-so-slight worry is the reduced requirement for caps, but the only real change this will make is that it will be a bit easier to create a supercap-parking alt. Big deal. Regular caps are awesome and I'd love to see it made easier for newer people to get into them. Hopefully the balance that out by making supercaps harder to get into (or just remove them). Woot... you just poasted non Anti-WIS related comment. Thumbs! I post about a lot things that aren't related to WiS. It just seems like I post a lot about Space Barbies because they need so much more guidance than most of the other populations within Eve. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Jeyne Nhidar 1	Posted - 2012.03.07 04:57:00 - [116] - Quote Looks to me like the ones who are complaining about this are similar to the type of people who complained about switching from the horse-and-carriage to the automobile. Or from lanterns to light bulbs. Or from dail-up to cable/broadband. Okay, maybe not the last one. It is an improvement, accept it and move on. Alt.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 5283	Posted - 2012.03.07 04:58:00 - [117] - Quote GÇªalso, I can't help noticing (and laughing at) how many people in the feedback thread seem to have completely forgotten about these things called GÇ£support skillsGÇ¥ and GÇ£secondary prerequisitesGÇ¥. The last five pages (at the time of reading) are full of GÇ£onoz, new players have to train for 4+ù as long as vets! unfair!GÇ¥, never mind that the bulk of the training time is not in the ship skills but inGÇª wellGÇª everything else, and that some of that GÇ£everything elseGÇ¥ is actually being removed. Eg, removing the redundant prereqs (such as spaceship command appearing multiple times all over the place) on the trusty old Nighthawk we have the following prereq list: Caldari Cruiser V (+ù5) -á-á-á-á-áCaldari Frigate IV (+ù2) Command Ships I (+ù8) -á-á-á-á-áBattlecruisers V (+ù6) -á-á-á-á-áWarfare Link Specialist IV (+ù6) -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áLeadership V (+ù1) -á-á-á-á-áSpaceship Command V (+ù1) Heavy Assault Ship IV (+ù6) -á-á-á-á-áAssault Ships IV (+ù4) -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áEngineering V (+ù1) -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áMechanic V (+ù1) -á-á-á-á-áWeapon Upgrades V (+ù2) -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áGunnery II (+ù1) Under the new scheme, the [racial] battlecruisers skill will replace the [racial] cruiser skill, and you will have to train four of them (rank 6 skills, ogosh) to get all field CSes GÇö onoz! Or is itGÇª? What will the new prereq tree look like? Caldari Battlecruiser V (+ù6) -á-á-á-á-áCaldari Cruiser IV (+ù5) -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áCaldari Frigate IV (+ù2) Command Ships I (+ù6) -á-á-á-á-áWarfare Link Specialist IV (+ù6) -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áLeadership V (+ù1) -á-á-á-á-áSpaceship Command V (+ù1) GÇªand that's it. The key part of the prereq shuffle that seems to be overlooked by many is the removal of those cross-tier prerequisites GÇö HACs no longer nead assault frigates; CSes no longer need HACs and Logi. So the poor newbie who now has to to train four battlecruiser skills instead of one, (that's 3 rank-6 skills or 4.6M SP) also doesn't have to train four cruiser skills to V (saving 3.3M SP by just taking them to lvl IV), and doesn't have to train HACs IV, AS IV, Engy V, Mech V, WU V (saving another 1.9M SP). All in all, those chunks cut out saves the new player 5,661,360 SP that he doesn't have to train compared to the current system, in exchange for having to train an additional 4,608,000 SP to get all four battlecruiser skills. It's been a while since I took a maths class, but I don't recall ever seeing GÇ£one million lessGÇ¥ be the same as GÇ£four times moreGÇ¥. And that's just for the field command ship side GÇö never mind what happens if we include the fleet command bit and have to include all the Logi skills. The buff to the old adage of GÇ£specialise to catch up fasterGÇ¥ is quite significantGÇª GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Thorn Galen Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact 428	Posted - 2012.03.07 05:12:00 - [118] - Quote Tippia wrote: Excellent change. A move away from the brainless GÇ£durrGÇª bigger is betterGÇ¥ and towards a more intelligent selection of ships where you pick the right ship for the task, even among the T1s. The transition will be messy, sure, but it will be for the better (and I'm not being affected in any wayGÇª so yay for being nerf-proof ). This will smarten up the game considerably. The only ever-so-slight worry is the reduced requirement for caps, but the only real change this will make is that it will be a bit easier to create a supercap-parking alt. Big deal. Sums up my own sentiments perfectly. Not sure about the transition being too messy though, if and when this happens there should be well-advertised, functional plans in place to smooth the transition. o/ The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars.
Akrasjel Lanate Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 637	Posted - 2012.03.07 09:22:00 - [119] - Quote Ok but where is thee problem
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide. 97	Posted - 2012.03.07 09:25:00 - [120] - Quote Akrasjel Lanate wrote: Ok but where is thee problem If you currently have BC5 it will take you 3 months to get back unless they give you all 4 racial BC5, which they have said they will do but :cpp:

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