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Waterfowl Democracy
The Ministry of Indigenous Affairs GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: Maor Raor
So you can hunt me in game for trying to have a disccussion about tact and credibility? Lets not and say we did.
No, so that people's agendas are not hidden and we can discuss things openly. It's only fair considering that everyone else here is willing to show who they are for better or worse.
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arghy steelwill
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 07:46:00 -
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Why are you
useing
so
many
linebreaks? i know a fellar who uses lotsa line breaks.
You cant yell at others for not following your system when you refuse to follow it yourself.
Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Navigator ([email protected]) |
Brachis
Eve Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.05.22 07:59:00 -
[33]
Wow, what a great way to start off the CSM discussions.
Mudslinging and factioning? There's no reason for people to act in this way during what should be a time of celebration for the victorious parties. Bickering about the first actions of the CSM in such petty manner... both sides of these arguments should be ashamed.
"I do this with but one small ship and I am called a terrorist... you do it with an entire fleet and are called an Emperor." |
Trupplupagus
Settling Tank
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: Brachis Wow, what a great way to start off the CSM discussions.
Mudslinging and factioning? There's no reason for people to act in this way during what should be a time of celebration for the victorious parties. Bickering about the first actions of the CSM in such petty manner... both sides of these arguments should be ashamed.
Agreed- ******** faction **** should be put aside in favor of Jade answering why he's reneging on campaign promises.
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LASER WATCHER
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: Brachis Wow, what a great way to start off the CSM discussions.
Mudslinging and factioning? There's no reason for people to act in this way during what should be a time of celebration for the victorious parties. Bickering about the first actions of the CSM in such petty manner... both sides of these arguments should be ashamed.
One side was attacked and they defended, why would they be at fault? _____
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Ankhesentapemkah
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:04:00 -
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Proof or it's a load of bull. Most of the vent conversations were logged and publiced, so without a direct quote I'm not going to believe any of this.
And until there's a direct quote, my vote stands for Jade anyway, so two more council members in here please to deal with these trolling tramps. ---
Consider voting for me in the CSM elections. Click the banner to watch the campaign movie.
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LASER WATCHER
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Proof or it's a load of bull. Most of the vent conversations were logged and publiced,
So you are saying that the proof is available? _____
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:06:00 -
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Edited by: LaVista Vista on 22/05/2008 08:06:39
Originally by: Trupplupagus
Agreed- ******** faction **** should be put aside in favor of Jade answering why he's reneging on campaign promises.
Again, we need proof Jade said that.
The claim was put forward by a goon that Jade said it during the VT session. But from what I hear about what happened at that session, a bunch of goons came onto the server and started acting ********.
So where is the proof? I'm not saying it didn't happen. But unless Jade can indeed confirm he said that, I doubt the claim.
And either way, I think Jade is the best possible chairman. I do think vice-chairman needs to be neutral, alliance wise, in order to prevent alliance discussion-bull****. Hence why I volunteered.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: LASER WATCHER
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Proof or it's a load of bull. Most of the vent conversations were logged and publiced,
So you are saying that the proof is available?
I'm saying that the burden of proof is on you guys. |
LASER WATCHER
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:15:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: LASER WATCHER
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Proof or it's a load of bull. Most of the vent conversations were logged and publiced,
So you are saying that the proof is available?
I'm saying that the burden of proof is on you guys.
You said the proof is public. Show us. |
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hammyhamm
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:16:00 -
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Edited by: hammyhamm on 22/05/2008 08:16:27
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Proof or it's a load of bull. Most of the vent conversations were logged and publiced, so without a direct quote I'm not going to believe any of this.
And until there's a direct quote, my vote stands for Jade anyway, so two more council members in here please to deal with these trolling tramps.
Jade Constantine held an open ventrilo session on the Star Fraction teamspeak (See this thread).
While I was there (I briefly discussed with Jade about nanoship issues, destructable stations and how he would see CSM working), and to paraphrase: he stated to the others present in the open-session and I that he thought that having the public choose the leader of a committee is not how a committee works, and if that he became chairman, he would give up his seat in support of a council-voted chair.
He knows he said this, and I'm sure he would not stray from his word as it would betray the trust of the council AND the voters right off the bat. |
Ankhesentapemkah
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:17:00 -
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That's not proof.
Give me a recording.
And since you Goons supposedly disturbed the chat, I don't think you're the party to be taken seriously here. Now shoo. |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:24:00 -
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Guys, let me make this very clear to you.
UNLESS you can show me a ventrilo recording, proving your claim right, you should just shut up. The burden of proof is on you.
If the claims are right, Jade has my full support as the council chairman. |
Annaliese Witschak
Galgorth's Corporation
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:25:00 -
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Edited by: Annaliese Witschak on 22/05/2008 08:25:20 Who else attended the Ventrilo session? |
Sigul Siento
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:26:00 -
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Edited by: Sigul Siento on 22/05/2008 08:27:19 I'm sure Jade can answer this herself, one way or the other. For other voted CSM members to come in and say, more or less, "proof or stfu" based solely on who said it seems beside the point, and a bad omen for the CSM.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: Sigul Siento I'm sure Jade can answer this herself, one way or the other. For other voted CSM memebers to come in and claim it's a lie based solely on who said it seems beside the point, and a bad omen for the CSM.
You are incorrect.
I have communicated with a few people, over the very SF ventrilo server, who attended the ventrilo session. And all of them claimed that goonswarm had a very heavy presence, and they kept talking crap and that they wereruining the conversation, by playing music.
So I'm not solely basing my claim on who came forward with the claim. |
Brachis
Eve Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:32:00 -
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What I don't like is how everyone is bickering their heads off about this, and making demands back and forth, when it's not doing ANYTHING but aggravate the situation.
A question was asked of Jade, and Jade simply has yet to respond. Based on what Jade has said in previous discussions, primarily the devblog announcement topic, he's probably busy doing things in real life, or asleep, or who knows what.
Based on the entirety of the campaign up until this point, Jade seems like a responsible individual, and I'm sure a response will be provided as soon as Jade is around to do it.
It's ridiculous that there is an argument over this.
When the question was asked, it should have dropped there. You should have all just waited for an answer from Jade before trying to take up the mantle in his defense. It's wrong of earlier posters to be making claims against a simple question being asked of SOMEONE ELSE, and it's wrong of the other parties to be goading on those individuals. One side is being overzealous, and the other side are being trolls. You're all at fault.
So for now I suggest you all hold your tongues until Jade provides his own answer instead of trying to speak for him. |
hammyhamm
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:34:00 -
[48]
I fail to see how asking a legitimate question that the candidate obviously refuses to answer means that I should stop talking, nor do I see why any CSM candidates here believe they have the right to prevent other members of this community from voicing concerns when it is their elected responsibility to listen to them in the first place.
Convictions against posters just because of their in-game allegiances is something that has no place in these discussions, and the council members have to realise this before they think of replying to someone.
Reply to the person, not the corporation.
I have stated twice (thrice?) now in this thread of what I personally heard Jade Constantine say, and I wish to know if he will follow through with his statement.
Is he a man of his word, or is he a liar? I will not be told that what I heard from him with my own ears is false, so drop it. |
Tress Macneille
Eight year old girls GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:35:00 -
[49]
why are you all so quick to answer a question directed at jade constantine for jade constantine?
He can confirm or deny it himself, your contributions on the topic are not needed. |
Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:36:00 -
[50]
Jade, good to get down to business.
Given the level of Signal to Noise ratio here, CSM will need a private (or at least restricted posting) forum to discuss these kind of matters.
I'll EVE Mail you.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:37:00 -
[51]
Edited by: LaVista Vista on 22/05/2008 08:40:30
Originally by: Tress Macneille why are you all so quick to answer a question directed at jade constantine for jade constantine?
He can confirm or deny it himself, your contributions on the topic are not needed.
If you read my very first post in this topic, you will see I put forward my support for Jade, should the claim be true.
So what is the issue again?
EDIT: But for now, let's leave it till either Jade comments, or someone puts forward proof. I'm getting a headache.
Let me repeat, Jade has my full support, either way.
But I agree with Serenity's sentiment. We need a private forum.
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Brachis
Eve Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:38:00 -
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I'm not saying that you're wrong. It's a legitimate question that deserves a legitimate answer.
What I'm saying is wrong revolves around EVERYTHING after that question.
If Jade comes back and says he never said that, fine, then you can argue all you want about it, and it might even be productive. If Jade comes back and says he said it but won't follow through, fine, then you can ague all you want about it, and it might even be productive. If Jade comes back and says he said it and he'll follow through, fine, then you... you get the picture I think.
It's not a matter of saying the opinions are invalidated, I'm saying that a flame war over it now, INCLUDING the flames against Goon are totally unwarranted.
I don't even have a side in this argument. You're all just acting silly, and I want to see a response from the one person who actually matters: Jade. Not you. Not them. Not anyone but Jade.
"I do this with but one small ship and I am called a terrorist... you do it with an entire fleet and are called an Emperor." |
Tress Macneille
Eight year old girls GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:39:00 -
[53]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Tress Macneille why are you all so quick to answer a question directed at jade constantine for jade constantine?
He can confirm or deny it himself, your contributions on the topic are not needed.
If you read my very first post in this topic, you will see I put forward my support for Jade, should the claim be true.
So what is the issue again?
Hammy ham wants to know if Jade said a thing or didn't. I have no idea why you are trying to argue about whether or not we, the eve playerbase, should get to ask the chairman of the csm questions.
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Papa Ina
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:40:00 -
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Edited by: Papa Ina on 22/05/2008 08:41:34 As CSM representatives are expected to carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow I can't see how Ankhesentapemkah is going to do well in a council environment where they can't resort to petty jibes.
I would however like to ask my fellow Goonswarm members to wait for Jade Constantine to answer the question before attempting to lynch him.
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OozoO
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Serenity Steele Jade, good to get down to business.
Given the level of Signal to Noise ratio here, CSM will need a private (or at least restricted posting) forum to discuss these kind of matters.
I'll EVE Mail you.
just like in real politics, as soon as they are elected people avoid democratic control Do not discuss moderator actions or troll in your sig. -Kaemonn Email if you understand and your sig will be unlocked.([email protected]) |
Sigul Siento
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:44:00 -
[56]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
You are incorrect.
I have communicated with a few people, over the very SF ventrilo server, who attended the ventrilo session. And all of them claimed that goonswarm had a very heavy presence, and they kept talking crap and that they wereruining the conversation, by playing music.
So I'm not solely basing my claim on who came forward with the claim.
I edited my point to remove the lie bit, as it seemed inaccurate. But regardless, your post confirms what I said. Jade can answer for herself, what goons did and didn't do in the conversation doesn't change what Jade did or didn't say, and people here dispute the claim based on the actions of people who aren't Jade Constantine.
If Jade comes forward and denies ever having said it, THEN those who wish to pursue the issue would have to supply proof. If it then chances that any proof was illegible because of the shenanigans of those who make the claim, that would be hilarious irony, would it not?
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Ankhesentapemkah
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:44:00 -
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The only party resorting to petty jibes is Goonswarm.
The sudden massive Goon presense in this thread is further proof that this is an organized trolling action, which is exactly in line with the tactics employed by Something Awful members.
The only thing we can learn from this is that the CSM forums should be heavily moderated. So please continue your actions as they'll only serve to accomplish the opposite of what you desire. ---
Consider voting for me in the CSM elections. Click the banner to watch the campaign movie.
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OozoO
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
The only thing we can learn from this is that the CSM forums should be heavily moderated. So please continue your actions as they'll only serve to accomplish the opposite of what you desire.
I'd like to have a chicken sandwich, thats my only wish right now Do not discuss moderator actions or troll in your sig. -Kaemonn Email if you understand and your sig will be unlocked.([email protected]) |
Papa Ina
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah The only party resorting to petty jibes is Goonswarm.
The sudden massive Goon presense in this thread is further proof that this is an organized trolling action, which is exactly in line with the tactics employed by Something Awful members.
The only thing we can learn from this is that the CSM forums should be heavily moderated. So please continue your actions as they'll only serve to accomplish the opposite of what you desire.
This forum trolls itself. You'll note earlier in this thread I supported a more tightly controlled forum in general. I'll also go as far as to say I've also reported posts in this forum. As for organised trolling action, would you do me the favour of counting the number of posters here and perhaps compare them to active numbers in Goonswarm.
You also represent us as CSM and I'd like to remind you of that.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:49:00 -
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Originally by: OozoO
I'd like to have a chicken sandwich, thats my only wish right now
You are making me hungry!
But I'm having a chicken sandwich for lunch today. + hour till lunch break! |
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