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YunFu Yan
Yan Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.22 10:06:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Batolemaeus
Mostly, people just consume, but have no interest in shaping and putting their ideas into the game.
And that is a good thing! |
ollobrains2
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Posted - 2008.05.22 10:16:00 -
[32]
CSM a waste of time to be honest, prooof will be in how it works. |
eeevans
Four Rings
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Posted - 2008.05.22 10:18:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
They will provide fresh eyes on issues that the developers can't solve due to having 'gone blind' from having tried too long.
They will bring the player-centric viewpoint into the decision making process, likely to be very different from the DEV/Game/CCP-centric as thoughts are generally shaped by perspective.
amused.
most of the "revolutionary" solutions proposed by the "pundits" on eve-o on behalf of devs who are "too stupid" to think for themselves are almost without fail a big pile of "coagulated man fat"... |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.05.22 10:22:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Veldya
Because it is pointless. Don't know any of the candidates, don't care for any reason they want the position and it won't do anything for us anyway. Waste of time and effort, sounds a lot like Faction Warfare.
I voted and feel that this is pretty much spot on (except the dig on FW)
I find it quite amusing that the people in the CSM think they will have any influence on game mechanics on TQ. I wish I could be a fly on the wall on one of the meetings, I can't wait for one of the CSM candidates to say something really dumb like omg HICs are so overpowered and CCP just  and says you are dumb, get lost this is our game. |
Deviana Sevidon
Panta-Rhei
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.22 10:24:00 -
[35]
Have you not realized? The CSM members are politicians. Politicians you can hunt down, kill and kill again, and again, and again.
An age old dream of humanity came true. |
Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.05.22 10:25:00 -
[36]
Originally by: YunLi Yan
[....]Who the hell are they going to represent???
They are going to represent those who voted - and those who did not care to vote. The fact of democracy is representatives represents the community as a whole. And that includes everyone. Thats why elections are important.
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YunFu Yan
Yan Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.22 10:28:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Originally by: YunLi Yan
[....]Who the hell are they going to represent???
They are going to represent those who voted - and those who did not care to vote. The fact of democracy is representatives represents the community as a whole. And that includes everyone. Thats why elections are important.
Yeah right... we're getting force feed a democracy we don't need when IRL democracies all over the world turn out to fail.
The concept of democarcy as such does not work. |
RaTTuS
BIG
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Posted - 2008.05.22 10:28:00 -
[38]
222,422 eligible voters,
that is total accounts I take it .
what was the number of active accounts at the time of the vote |
Skogen Gump
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Posted - 2008.05.22 10:34:00 -
[39]
Originally by: YunFu Yan
EDIT:
I hope that CCP realizes this failiure and scraps the whole CSM.
I mean how can those who got elected claim to represent the player base when almost 90% of the player base obviously does NOT want to be represented?
I think you're being a bit harsh here; It's not had its first meeting and you're already calling for a lynch mob. THere's more to the CSM then an oversight for Developer misconduct, for the simple fact that they're not in a position to make any effect to it - after all, that's what the IA department is for.
Also, don't forget that a majority of players don't read the forums, regularly or even ever - it's always been that way; You can't assume from those figures that 90% *didn't* want to be represented.
Anyway, all I'm saying is that you should give them a chance, I know Jade and I know he's a very smart and dedicated man - I think he will make a difference; All the CSM will - if we give them the support they need. After all, they can't represent us if we're willing to dismiss them out of hand, before it even happens. |
Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.05.22 10:36:00 -
[40]
Originally by: YunFu Yan
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Originally by: YunLi Yan
[....]Who the hell are they going to represent???
They are going to represent those who voted - and those who did not care to vote. The fact of democracy is representatives represents the community as a whole. And that includes everyone. Thats why elections are important.
Yeah right... we're getting force feed a democracy we don't need when IRL democracies all over the world turn out to fail.
The concept of democarcy as such does not work.
Well, would you rather prefer that they represent theirselves and maybe their voters only?
The elected represents the democratic side of EVE while CCP represents the dictatorial line - although a benefical one  . A mix between these two seems to fit EVE online reasonably good. But yes, most of my trust in this game is for the devs at CCP. Ingame the trust is pretty thin 
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Aerallo
RuffRyders
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Posted - 2008.05.22 10:49:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Have you not realized? The CSM members are politicians. Politicians you can hunt down, kill and kill again, and again, and again.
An age old dream of humanity came true.
The realisation will dawn on people in time... |
Jade Rapture
Deorbit Burners
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Posted - 2008.05.22 10:57:00 -
[42]
As long as they don't attempt to mold the game into another cliche PvP MMO with no real consequences for losing a fight they can call themselves the Captains of the Universe for all I care. |
Hoshi
Black Water.
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Posted - 2008.05.22 11:03:00 -
[43]
Originally by: RaTTuS
222,422 eligible voters,
that is total accounts I take it .
what was the number of active accounts at the time of the vote
It's the number of active payed for accounts, not total accounts.
At last fanfest there where 145k active payed accounts.
20k active trial accounts
229k inactive accounts that had at some time been payed for.
1.15m total accounts including inactive trails and everything. |
Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.05.22 11:04:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Veldya on 22/05/2008 11:04:26
Originally by: Vaal Erit
Originally by: Veldya
Because it is pointless. Don't know any of the candidates, don't care for any reason they want the position and it won't do anything for us anyway. Waste of time and effort, sounds a lot like Faction Warfare.
I voted and feel that this is pretty much spot on (except the dig on FW)
I find it quite amusing that the people in the CSM think they will have any influence on game mechanics on TQ. I wish I could be a fly on the wall on one of the meetings, I can't wait for one of the CSM candidates to say something really dumb like omg HICs are so overpowered and CCP just and says you are dumb, get lost this is our game.
Yeah, the FW thing is just something from my perspective. All my toons of any note are in an alliance I value too much to insult by saying I am going to leave to blow up heretics so the expansion offers me a brass razoo. |
Frost 1232
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Posted - 2008.05.22 11:05:00 -
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I did not vote because i feel that these people don't hold my belef's, I want EVE to expand more things too do more too see bring every thing to life. They how ever are on about balance a ships extra there not really adding to EVE they just want to fiddle with coding. |
Sqalevon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.05.22 11:07:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Uncle Mo
Edited by: Uncle Mo on 22/05/2008 09:07:40
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As a US citizen I was suprised to see that we had the highest turnout rate given our countries' political apathy.
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I'm sorry to burst your bubble there, but of the countries that where shown in the statistic, US scored lowest with 9.41% turnout.
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Benco97
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Posted - 2008.05.22 11:17:00 -
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I voted, I just didn't vote for any of the people.
Originally by: Kirjava
This man speaks the truth, when he farts we count the length in seconds and make squillions buying winning lottery tickets.
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Kilhu Emmek
Redshift Industrial
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Posted - 2008.05.22 11:29:00 -
[48]
Voted to abstain, because what the CSM is and what it will actually be is nothing like what was claimed at the time of the T20 scandal and the resulting New York Times article (look it up), etc. No less a personage than the CEO of CCP said the CSM would be able to audit CCP, they'd call in election monitors from Europe and the US ... and what it's turned into is basically a sort of "super forum" for a handful of players to tell the devs what the rest of the players think is important?
That whole "customer feedback" thing really worked out well for factional warfare, with alliances entirely cut out of FW and long time players either having to suck it up and skip the new "content" or change the way they've played the game for (in many cases) years.
Honestly, it was just a "bad press hardener" and after the bad press went away, CCP turned the hardener off and proceeded to go about the usual looting and salvaging.
No disrespect to those chosen, but consider mine a vote of no confidence in CCP. If I could vote for another company to take the game over, I would, in a heartbeat.
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Heikki
Wreckless Abandon
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.05.22 11:34:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Uncle Mo
So why didn't you vote?
Because CCP advertised the process out of game, and indicated there will be regular votes for new seats in the future.
Thus if CSM proofs to be useful, or even shows some promise, then I get to know candinates and vote; if not I saved my time by not participating in PR stunt.
-Lasse
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Sarrina Stark
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.22 11:34:00 -
[50]
In my humble opinion these game related appointments always without fail tend to be run more in the line of a popularity contest, There is rarely any unbiased voting occurs and the more popular kid will always win over the quiet reclusive type, Even if the quiet reclusive type is a better candidate.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.05.22 11:38:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Kilhu Emmek
...That whole "customer feedback" thing really worked out well for factional warfare, with alliances entirely cut out of FW and long time players either having to suck it up and skip the new "content" or change the way they've played the game for (in many cases) years...
Reality check, the CSM just got elected, how would they be able to have any affect on the FW as proposed so far, it being on the linear timeline before their election? Stop folding space it makes the post hard to grasp.
As for 11% don't forget 50% are chinese farmers with no grasp of democracy, I'd say the real number for real people are somewhat higher. Yes I pulled those numbers out of my magic hat.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Tarthos Sothratis
Sect Of Silence
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Posted - 2008.05.22 11:41:00 -
[52]
I agree with most of you so far on the issue. I voted because meh why not so went with a person who seemed to have a general idea for the game that fit mine. But on the other side only time will tell just I imagine it would be hard to see past their own personal agendas and that of their corp/friends ingame and really take actual problems to the table. That and like people have said its CCP's game and really the CSM is a "thanks for the suggestion now go away" collection for CCP to maybe listen to.
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Ambo
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.22 11:54:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Uncle Mo
Edited by: Uncle Mo on 22/05/2008 09:07:40
What a poor turnout for the very first CSM election. Given CCP's reaction, they seem to be almost happy with the result. As a US citizen I was suprised to see that we had the highest turnout rate given our countries' political apathy. Perhaps it's time to start a discussion on why people didn't vote so improvments can be made in future elections. Personaly I didn't vote because of two reasons. I don't think the CSM is capable of making any significant changes to EVE and I didn't have time to check out every candidates' website. Don't get me wrong, I wish the new CSM's well, but I'm taking a 'believe it when I see it' attitude as far as their abilities to effect some improvements to the game.
So why didn't you vote?
two points.
1) While the US did have the highest total number of voters, this is largley because the US has by far the most subscribers. As a percentage of elligable voters, US was next to last, only ahead of France.
2) I didn't vote because as far as I can make out, the CSM is totally irrelevant to me.
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Heroldyn
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Posted - 2008.05.22 11:59:00 -
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i personally did vote, but i think most people didnt for two reasons mainly:
a) its yet uncertain what the csm can really achieve for the community. ccp said they wanted a better way of communication between the playerbase and them, in order to better prioritize their tasks. people are wondering tho, if what ccp really wants is some kind of filter to talk changes through to the community without being bashed for it. the most criticial issues of the game are no secrets, and ccp surely knows them.
what we need for future voting is a better explanation of what the csm can do for the community.
stuff like "we are now reaching a critical mass and we are a socity and a socity needs a democracy, thereforce we need a Council of Stellar Management" really does not explain anything at all. imo
b) lack of propper presentation
not alot people are willing to take the time and click through dozents of little websites where the candidates make their points in a very unformatted and free-form kind of posting. there is no quick way to compare the candidates to each other. many people i know ingame dont even read the dev-blogs. how can someone ask them to navigate to that jita corner speaker forum and spent quite a few hours at least for being able to find their favourite candidate ?
what we need for future votings is a very short formatted template, where each candidate can specify their -maybe- top 5 things of what they stand for and what not- who they are -and where they come from, and have that information directly displayed within the "voting booth".
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Victor Kruger
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Posted - 2008.05.22 12:03:00 -
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I chose to abstain as I already have an election evely molning.
What I find interesting that there was no voters from China, considering that they consist of 10-20% of the total population (care to give exact numbers there, CCP? Guess not). But then we'd have at least one representative named Asdkfemdifelfkdj in the council.
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Lord Zoran
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2008.05.22 12:07:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Veldya
Because it is pointless. Don't know any of the candidates, don't care for any reason they want the position and it won't do anything for us anyway. Waste of time and effort, sounds a lot like Faction Warfare.
wow exactly what i was thinking except you missed out ambulation.
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Drizit
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Posted - 2008.05.22 12:09:00 -
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I abstained. Didn't know any of the candidates and not really believeing that this would make any difference whatsoever.
Unless candidates are given dev powers (god forbid), they can't see what devs are doing anyway so it won't prevent "miraculous spawning" of certain items to friends of devs or the ability for devs to spy on other corps they are at war with. Before anyone flames me, I am not making accusations, I am just saying what a dev has the power to do if they have a mind to cheat.
It's also CCP's game so they will have the last word no matter what the voted in players say.
In a nutshell: What will it achieve?... Nothing.
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Ellie Stone
az2ogaming Corporation
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Posted - 2008.05.22 12:12:00 -
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We won't in fairness know if this a good thing or not until they have been in operation for a while. If it does improve the game for us as players then it has my full support.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.05.22 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Kruger
I chose to abstain as I already have an election evely molning.
What I find interesting that there was no voters from China, considering that they consist of 10-20% of the total population (care to give exact numbers there, CCP? Guess not). But then we'd have at least one representative named Asdkfemdifelfkdj in the council.
But we do, Ankhesememtoehepekaheptah is in, representing every Aliastra farmer out there. 
These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade! |
RedClaws
Dragon's Rage
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.05.22 12:36:00 -
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I expected that there would be a goon representative, a bob one, and so on and that all their players would vote for that 1 guy so that in the end you just have ppl from different alliances.
Seems I was wrong, I'll be reading into the next CSM much more.
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