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Uncle Mo Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2008.05.22 09:07:00 - [1] Edited by: Uncle Mo on 22/05/2008 09:07:40 What a poor turnout for the very first CSM election. Given CCP's reaction, they seem to be almost happy with the result. As a US citizen I was suprised to see that we had the highest turnout rate given our countries' political apathy. Perhaps it's time to start a discussion on why people didn't vote so improvments can be made in future elections. Personaly I didn't vote because of two reasons. I don't think the CSM is capable of making any significant changes to EVE and I didn't have time to check out every candidates' website. Don't get me wrong, I wish the new CSM's well, but I'm taking a 'believe it when I see it' attitude as far as their abilities to effect some improvements to the game. So why didn't you vote?
Veldya Guristari Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.05.22 09:10:00 - [2] Because it is pointless. Don't know any of the candidates, don't care for any reason they want the position and it won't do anything for us anyway. Waste of time and effort, sounds a lot like Faction Warfare.
Triksterism Image Not Found	Posted - 2008.05.22 09:11:00 - [3] Originally by: Veldya Because it is pointless. Don't know any of the candidates, don't care for any reason they want the position and it won't do anything for us anyway. Waste of time and effort, sounds a lot like Faction Warfare. My thoughts exactly. The first time I saw the CSM advertised, I wondered why and wtf would prevent this from being rigged, biased and all of that other fun stuff.
mama guru Contraband Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.22 09:13:00 - [4] What the hell is it needed for anyway?
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2008.05.22 09:18:00 - [5] Originally by: mama guru What the hell is it needed for anyway? The premise was to have independent observers making sure no more devs hand out valuable commodities to their corpmates.
New ones Koln united	Posted - 2008.05.22 09:18:00 - [6] Not any real point, it was a PR stunt. I have no idea who i culd vote for(CCP shuld realy have done more to help the candidate's gett the name out) *Again not any real point as they can't du much I wantet to try and vote, but i didd not see ANY information about the candiats anywhere else on the small forum section, wich was filled with 90% crap.
Liara Dahaka	Posted - 2008.05.22 09:19:00 - [7] Seems like a good percentage to me. Not like we are voting for the leader of the free world, this is after all just a game.
El'Niaga Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.22 09:21:00 - [8] I did vote but I do largely agree with the folks above. I see it as nothing more than a PR stunt because they can't really base any major game change on the opinion of 9 players, if they did it would most likely be disastrous. In a way I see it as a step back in player-dev relations for EVE. SWG has had such a system for many years. It is ineffective and most often the community representatives ask the same questions that the community wants year after year without resolution. It's basically another bureaucratic layer to insulate the devs and that's all as far as I feel.
Chris Bartlett shadow and flame Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.22 09:23:00 - [9] I wanted to vote for Jade constantine, caus its the only name i know, but i completely forgot to vote. To be honest, the only person i'd really want in a position like that is Chribba, and i didn't see the option to vote for him. No idea who most of the others were.
YunFu Yan Yan Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.22 09:25:00 - [10] I used to play Dark Age of Camelot. They had so called team leads for each class in the game. Those players were ment to help the developers in understanding the concerns of the player base. They did nothing but ruin the game! The CSM is a PR stunt and a waste of CCP's resources. I wish they had just fired T20 back then. That would have delivered the message and the player base would probably have lost alot less (or even regained) trust in CCP.
eeevans Four Rings	Posted - 2008.05.22 09:25:00 - [11] was this the vote for the guys who you take your modules back to so long as you kept the receipt?
Larg Kellein Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.05.22 09:26:00 - [12] Limited time that I'd rather spend playing the game than reading "vote for me, I r l33t" blogs.
Mizear Republic University	Posted - 2008.05.22 09:26:00 - [13] Originally by: Uncle Mo Edited by: Uncle Mo on 22/05/2008 09:07:40 What a poor turnout for the very first CSM election. Given CCP's reaction, they seem to be almost happy with the result. As a US citizen I was suprised to see that we had the highest turnout rate given our countries' political apathy. Perhaps it's time to start a discussion on why people didn't vote so improvments can be made in future elections. Personaly I didn't vote because of two reasons. I don't think the CSM is capable of making any significant changes to EVE and I didn't have time to check out every candidates' website. Don't get me wrong, I wish the new CSM's well, but I'm taking a 'believe it when I see it' attitude as far as their abilities to effect some improvements to the game. So why didn't you vote? I got 2 accounts inactively training atm, I'm sure there are people with multiple accounts forgetting to have voted with their second account. Besides let the CSM's and CCP prove that the CSM position is worth a grain of salt before I would even get interested.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.05.22 09:28:00 - [14] Through buying GTCs to start new accounts, it would only have cost about 100bn isk to get a seat on the council, and even less than that to get in as a reserve.
Caiman Graystock Quantum of Solace	Posted - 2008.05.22 09:29:00 - [15] Edited by: Caiman Graystock on 22/05/2008 09:30:23 11% is a high turnout I figure, significantly more than are active on the forum anyway. As for not voting because you don't know the candidates personally and such... well, the same is true of any election is it not? That's why the candidates campaigned and put forward their agendas and such, in order to present a reason to vote for them over others.
FourthStorm Viziam	Posted - 2008.05.22 09:32:00 - [16] I voted. But only with one of my three accounts. I don't think 11% is a poor outcome. Hey, its the first time its done. I don't have a clue what the end result will be, but I'm sure its fun for the CSM to fly to Iceland and get drunk
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.05.22 09:35:00 - [17] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 22/05/2008 09:35:32 Had I voted I probably would have abstained. I'll vote in the next CSM election based on whether or not the current CSM roster is a total foul-up that gives terrible advice to CCP that CCP would never consider following. I'm not against the idea of the CSM, but I am wary of it. After much deliberation I didn't feel comfortable voting for any of the candidates (to be fair, it wouldn't have mattered who was running), so I didn't vote at all. edit: and 11% is an excellent turnout in my opinion. It isn't ideal or representative of a substantial portion of the Eve playerbase, but it's still respectable.
AlienHand	Posted - 2008.05.22 09:35:00 - [18] who won ?
El'Niaga Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.22 09:38:00 - [19] Who Won
skuko	Posted - 2008.05.22 09:39:00 - [20] i didn't vote because i don't need a CSM - i trust CCP, they are the sole developer/publisher, EVE is their bread and butter, why would they want to ruin what is paying their bills? - CCP shows more attention to their game, community, players more than ANY OTHER DEVELOPER OF ANY OTHER MMO I PLAYED (and i played my fair share of mmo's) - they have been doing good stuff for 5 years now, and i strongly believe, they will continue to do so for at least 5 more years CSM, not really, thank you for asking...
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2008.05.22 09:40:00 - [21] Sub 10% is not exactly the highest turnout rate, more like in the bottom five :) US submitted the highest number of votes though, would be scary if they didn't seeing as they are 37% of the player base. For the first week or more the actual vote button was pretty well hidden and I imagine that ate up a lot of potential votes. As to what they will accomplish; They will provide fresh eyes on issues that the developers can't solve due to having 'gone blind' from having tried too long. They will bring the player-centric viewpoint into the decision making process, likely to be very different from the DEV/Game/CCP-centric as thoughts are generally shaped by perspective. They will act as a sounding board for some of the wacky ideas the developers sometimes comes up with (Deimos slot change for instance), and they will probably get to chill in the hot springs in Iceland .. never a bad thing.
J'Mkarr Soban Proxenetae Invicti	Posted - 2008.05.22 09:40:00 - [22] I notice there is no mention of how many people abstained. If it was higher that the highest winner, I think that should tell them something. -- These are my personal views and in no way represent the views of Proxenetae Invicti, which maintains a neutral stance stemming from the strong ethics demanded of its work.
Seetesh Pixels Docks	Posted - 2008.05.22 09:44:00 - [23] Oh i turned out on the first day to vote for eva. Some people are just so lazy.
YunFu Yan Yan Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.22 09:46:00 - [24] Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban I notice there is no mention of how many people abstained. If it was higher that the highest winner, I think that should tell them something. You're not supposed to ask these questions! ------------------------------------------------- Yan Enterprises - We mean business.
Golden Helmet The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.22 09:52:00 - [25] I voted Abstain. My reasons are the following: 1: Nothing will change. Speaking as a battle-hardened ebil piewate, CCP always has and always will be oblivious to the needs of the playerbase and game, always catering to whatever noobs whine the loudest. OR: The elected officials will all prove to have their own agendas, which will be contrary to the needs of the player base, ******* the small-scale pvp'er over all the more. 2: I don't know or particularly care about any of the candidates. 3: I just plain don't care about this whole CSM thing anyways. Instead of using this time to fix more pressing issues, they used it for this crap. The Python Cartel is recruiting low sec pirates!
Rob Otosan	Posted - 2008.05.22 09:53:00 - [26] Edited by: Rob Otosan on 22/05/2008 09:53:45 Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban I notice there is no mention of how many people abstained. If it was higher that the highest winner, I think that should tell them something. Quote: There were 24,651 votes cast out of a pool of 222,422 eligible voters, amassing a turnout of 11.08%. Of the total votes cast, 869 voters (3.5%) chose to abstain. Learn to read
Zattam S2S	Posted - 2008.05.22 09:55:00 - [27] 11% vote turn out probably shows you how many people actually read these forums, or even visit this website. Its a small fraction of the playerbase. Also, listing the canditates and the voting options on the log-in page would have been a good idea for the lazy. Would have taken 2 seconds to cast your vote.
YunLi Yan	Posted - 2008.05.22 10:00:00 - [28] Originally by: Rob Otosan Edited by: Rob Otosan on 22/05/2008 09:53:45 Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban I notice there is no mention of how many people abstained. If it was higher that the highest winner, I think that should tell them something. Quote: There were 24,651 votes cast out of a pool of 222,422 eligible voters, amassing a turnout of 11.08%. Of the total votes cast, 869 voters (3.5%) chose to abstain. Learn to read If you REALLY read the numbers it turns out like this: This so called council got elected by 5.7% of the player base! (12678 votes) Who the hell are they going to represent???
Khan Soriano Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.05.22 10:01:00 - [29] I think turnout was nice... look at the circumstances: This is the first election in EVE, everybody is asking themselves 'WTF? How is guy X going to represent my cause'. Cant blame them but if CSM does some good for this game and we can all observe it, people will follow 1/3 Eve population is Chinese miners/ratters/mission runners, they don't visit Eve-O since there is no money/ISK in it Another 1/3 are in fact macro miner accounts working for the well being of our great Alliances About 1/5 doesn't care about Eve-O altogether but they do care about the game. For them Eve-O & CCP is the SYSTEM you have to fight with so that your life (EVE) will get better Lots of those that wanted to make some changes got banned or willingly quit the game waiting for better times, Eve-O is not the only Eve forum... I'm actually surprised with the numbers...
Batolemaeus Batolemaeus Corp	Posted - 2008.05.22 10:04:00 - [30] Originally by: Zattam 11% vote turn out probably shows you how many people actually read these forums, or even visit this website. Its a small fraction of the playerbase. I think that's the reason. Mostly, people just consume, but have no interest in shaping and putting their ideas into the game.
YunFu Yan Yan Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.22 10:06:00 - [31] Originally by: Batolemaeus Mostly, people just consume, but have no interest in shaping and putting their ideas into the game. And that is a good thing!
ollobrains2	Posted - 2008.05.22 10:16:00 - [32] CSM a waste of time to be honest, prooof will be in how it works.
eeevans Four Rings	Posted - 2008.05.22 10:18:00 - [33] Originally by: Hirana Yoshida They will provide fresh eyes on issues that the developers can't solve due to having 'gone blind' from having tried too long. They will bring the player-centric viewpoint into the decision making process, likely to be very different from the DEV/Game/CCP-centric as thoughts are generally shaped by perspective. amused. most of the "revolutionary" solutions proposed by the "pundits" on eve-o on behalf of devs who are "too stupid" to think for themselves are almost without fail a big pile of "coagulated man fat"...
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.05.22 10:22:00 - [34] Originally by: Veldya Because it is pointless. Don't know any of the candidates, don't care for any reason they want the position and it won't do anything for us anyway. Waste of time and effort, sounds a lot like Faction Warfare. I voted and feel that this is pretty much spot on (except the dig on FW) I find it quite amusing that the people in the CSM think they will have any influence on game mechanics on TQ. I wish I could be a fly on the wall on one of the meetings, I can't wait for one of the CSM candidates to say something really dumb like omg HICs are so overpowered and CCP just and says you are dumb, get lost this is our game.
Deviana Sevidon Panta-Rhei Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.05.22 10:24:00 - [35] Have you not realized? The CSM members are politicians. Politicians you can hunt down, kill and kill again, and again, and again. An age old dream of humanity came true.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.05.22 10:25:00 - [36] Originally by: YunLi Yan [....]Who the hell are they going to represent??? They are going to represent those who voted - and those who did not care to vote. The fact of democracy is representatives represents the community as a whole. And that includes everyone. Thats why elections are important.
YunFu Yan Yan Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.22 10:28:00 - [37] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: YunLi Yan [....]Who the hell are they going to represent??? They are going to represent those who voted - and those who did not care to vote. The fact of democracy is representatives represents the community as a whole. And that includes everyone. Thats why elections are important. Yeah right... we're getting force feed a democracy we don't need when IRL democracies all over the world turn out to fail. The concept of democarcy as such does not work.
RaTTuS BIG	Posted - 2008.05.22 10:28:00 - [38] 222,422 eligible voters, that is total accounts I take it . what was the number of active accounts at the time of the vote
Skogen Gump	Posted - 2008.05.22 10:34:00 - [39] Originally by: YunFu Yan EDIT: I hope that CCP realizes this failiure and scraps the whole CSM. I mean how can those who got elected claim to represent the player base when almost 90% of the player base obviously does NOT want to be represented? I think you're being a bit harsh here; It's not had its first meeting and you're already calling for a lynch mob. THere's more to the CSM then an oversight for Developer misconduct, for the simple fact that they're not in a position to make any effect to it - after all, that's what the IA department is for. Also, don't forget that a majority of players don't read the forums, regularly or even ever - it's always been that way; You can't assume from those figures that 90% didn't want to be represented. Anyway, all I'm saying is that you should give them a chance, I know Jade and I know he's a very smart and dedicated man - I think he will make a difference; All the CSM will - if we give them the support they need. After all, they can't represent us if we're willing to dismiss them out of hand, before it even happens.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.05.22 10:36:00 - [40] Originally by: YunFu Yan Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: YunLi Yan [....]Who the hell are they going to represent??? They are going to represent those who voted - and those who did not care to vote. The fact of democracy is representatives represents the community as a whole. And that includes everyone. Thats why elections are important. Yeah right... we're getting force feed a democracy we don't need when IRL democracies all over the world turn out to fail. The concept of democarcy as such does not work. Well, would you rather prefer that they represent theirselves and maybe their voters only? The elected represents the democratic side of EVE while CCP represents the dictatorial line - although a benefical one . A mix between these two seems to fit EVE online reasonably good. But yes, most of my trust in this game is for the devs at CCP. Ingame the trust is pretty thin
Aerallo RuffRyders	Posted - 2008.05.22 10:49:00 - [41] Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Have you not realized? The CSM members are politicians. Politicians you can hunt down, kill and kill again, and again, and again. An age old dream of humanity came true. The realisation will dawn on people in time...
Jade Rapture Deorbit Burners	Posted - 2008.05.22 10:57:00 - [42] As long as they don't attempt to mold the game into another cliche PvP MMO with no real consequences for losing a fight they can call themselves the Captains of the Universe for all I care.
Hoshi Black Water.	Posted - 2008.05.22 11:03:00 - [43] Originally by: RaTTuS 222,422 eligible voters, that is total accounts I take it . what was the number of active accounts at the time of the vote It's the number of active payed for accounts, not total accounts. At last fanfest there where 145k active payed accounts. 20k active trial accounts 229k inactive accounts that had at some time been payed for. 1.15m total accounts including inactive trails and everything.
Veldya Guristari Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.05.22 11:04:00 - [44] Edited by: Veldya on 22/05/2008 11:04:26 Originally by: Vaal Erit Originally by: Veldya Because it is pointless. Don't know any of the candidates, don't care for any reason they want the position and it won't do anything for us anyway. Waste of time and effort, sounds a lot like Faction Warfare. I voted and feel that this is pretty much spot on (except the dig on FW) I find it quite amusing that the people in the CSM think they will have any influence on game mechanics on TQ. I wish I could be a fly on the wall on one of the meetings, I can't wait for one of the CSM candidates to say something really dumb like omg HICs are so overpowered and CCP just and says you are dumb, get lost this is our game. Yeah, the FW thing is just something from my perspective. All my toons of any note are in an alliance I value too much to insult by saying I am going to leave to blow up heretics so the expansion offers me a brass razoo.
Frost 1232	Posted - 2008.05.22 11:05:00 - [45] I did not vote because i feel that these people don't hold my belef's, I want EVE to expand more things too do more too see bring every thing to life. They how ever are on about balance a ships extra there not really adding to EVE they just want to fiddle with coding.
Sqalevon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.22 11:07:00 - [46] Originally by: Uncle Mo Edited by: Uncle Mo on 22/05/2008 09:07:40 snip As a US citizen I was suprised to see that we had the highest turnout rate given our countries' political apathy. snip I'm sorry to burst your bubble there, but of the countries that where shown in the statistic, US scored lowest with 9.41% turnout.
Benco97	Posted - 2008.05.22 11:17:00 - [47] I voted, I just didn't vote for any of the people. Originally by: Kirjava This man speaks the truth, when he farts we count the length in seconds and make squillions buying winning lottery tickets.
Kilhu Emmek Redshift Industrial	Posted - 2008.05.22 11:29:00 - [48] Voted to abstain, because what the CSM is and what it will actually be is nothing like what was claimed at the time of the T20 scandal and the resulting New York Times article (look it up), etc. No less a personage than the CEO of CCP said the CSM would be able to audit CCP, they'd call in election monitors from Europe and the US ... and what it's turned into is basically a sort of "super forum" for a handful of players to tell the devs what the rest of the players think is important? That whole "customer feedback" thing really worked out well for factional warfare, with alliances entirely cut out of FW and long time players either having to suck it up and skip the new "content" or change the way they've played the game for (in many cases) years. Honestly, it was just a "bad press hardener" and after the bad press went away, CCP turned the hardener off and proceeded to go about the usual looting and salvaging. No disrespect to those chosen, but consider mine a vote of no confidence in CCP. If I could vote for another company to take the game over, I would, in a heartbeat. --
Heikki Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.05.22 11:34:00 - [49] Originally by: Uncle Mo So why didn't you vote? Because CCP advertised the process out of game, and indicated there will be regular votes for new seats in the future. Thus if CSM proofs to be useful, or even shows some promise, then I get to know candinates and vote; if not I saved my time by not participating in PR stunt. -Lasse
Sarrina Stark State War Academy	Posted - 2008.05.22 11:34:00 - [50] In my humble opinion these game related appointments always without fail tend to be run more in the line of a popularity contest, There is rarely any unbiased voting occurs and the more popular kid will always win over the quiet reclusive type, Even if the quiet reclusive type is a better candidate.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.05.22 11:38:00 - [51] Originally by: Kilhu Emmek ...That whole "customer feedback" thing really worked out well for factional warfare, with alliances entirely cut out of FW and long time players either having to suck it up and skip the new "content" or change the way they've played the game for (in many cases) years... Reality check, the CSM just got elected, how would they be able to have any affect on the FW as proposed so far, it being on the linear timeline before their election? Stop folding space it makes the post hard to grasp. As for 11% don't forget 50% are chinese farmers with no grasp of democracy, I'd say the real number for real people are somewhat higher. Yes I pulled those numbers out of my magic hat. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Tarthos Sothratis Sect Of Silence	Posted - 2008.05.22 11:41:00 - [52] I agree with most of you so far on the issue. I voted because meh why not so went with a person who seemed to have a general idea for the game that fit mine. But on the other side only time will tell just I imagine it would be hard to see past their own personal agendas and that of their corp/friends ingame and really take actual problems to the table. That and like people have said its CCP's game and really the CSM is a "thanks for the suggestion now go away" collection for CCP to maybe listen to.
Ambo Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.05.22 11:54:00 - [53] Originally by: Uncle Mo Edited by: Uncle Mo on 22/05/2008 09:07:40 What a poor turnout for the very first CSM election. Given CCP's reaction, they seem to be almost happy with the result. As a US citizen I was suprised to see that we had the highest turnout rate given our countries' political apathy. Perhaps it's time to start a discussion on why people didn't vote so improvments can be made in future elections. Personaly I didn't vote because of two reasons. I don't think the CSM is capable of making any significant changes to EVE and I didn't have time to check out every candidates' website. Don't get me wrong, I wish the new CSM's well, but I'm taking a 'believe it when I see it' attitude as far as their abilities to effect some improvements to the game. So why didn't you vote? two points. 1) While the US did have the highest total number of voters, this is largley because the US has by far the most subscribers. As a percentage of elligable voters, US was next to last, only ahead of France. 2) I didn't vote because as far as I can make out, the CSM is totally irrelevant to me. -------------------------------------- Trader? Investor? Just want to track your finances? Check out EMMA
Heroldyn	Posted - 2008.05.22 11:59:00 - [54] i personally did vote, but i think most people didnt for two reasons mainly: a) its yet uncertain what the csm can really achieve for the community. ccp said they wanted a better way of communication between the playerbase and them, in order to better prioritize their tasks. people are wondering tho, if what ccp really wants is some kind of filter to talk changes through to the community without being bashed for it. the most criticial issues of the game are no secrets, and ccp surely knows them. what we need for future voting is a better explanation of what the csm can do for the community. stuff like "we are now reaching a critical mass and we are a socity and a socity needs a democracy, thereforce we need a Council of Stellar Management" really does not explain anything at all. imo b) lack of propper presentation not alot people are willing to take the time and click through dozents of little websites where the candidates make their points in a very unformatted and free-form kind of posting. there is no quick way to compare the candidates to each other. many people i know ingame dont even read the dev-blogs. how can someone ask them to navigate to that jita corner speaker forum and spent quite a few hours at least for being able to find their favourite candidate ? what we need for future votings is a very short formatted template, where each candidate can specify their -maybe- top 5 things of what they stand for and what not- who they are -and where they come from, and have that information directly displayed within the "voting booth".
Victor Kruger	Posted - 2008.05.22 12:03:00 - [55] I chose to abstain as I already have an election evely molning. What I find interesting that there was no voters from China, considering that they consist of 10-20% of the total population (care to give exact numbers there, CCP? Guess not). But then we'd have at least one representative named Asdkfemdifelfkdj in the council. --------------- Hey, where's my portrait
Lord Zoran House of Tempers	Posted - 2008.05.22 12:07:00 - [56] Originally by: Veldya Because it is pointless. Don't know any of the candidates, don't care for any reason they want the position and it won't do anything for us anyway. Waste of time and effort, sounds a lot like Faction Warfare. wow exactly what i was thinking except you missed out ambulation.
Drizit	Posted - 2008.05.22 12:09:00 - [57] I abstained. Didn't know any of the candidates and not really believeing that this would make any difference whatsoever. Unless candidates are given dev powers (god forbid), they can't see what devs are doing anyway so it won't prevent "miraculous spawning" of certain items to friends of devs or the ability for devs to spy on other corps they are at war with. Before anyone flames me, I am not making accusations, I am just saying what a dev has the power to do if they have a mind to cheat. It's also CCP's game so they will have the last word no matter what the voted in players say. In a nutshell: What will it achieve?... Nothing. -- Freighters need a tank
Ellie Stone az2ogaming Corporation	Posted - 2008.05.22 12:12:00 - [58] We won't in fairness know if this a good thing or not until they have been in operation for a while. If it does improve the game for us as players then it has my full support. ----------------------------------------------------- Az2o Gaming - Hosting Dynamic Killboards
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.05.22 12:31:00 - [59] Originally by: Victor Kruger I chose to abstain as I already have an election evely molning. What I find interesting that there was no voters from China, considering that they consist of 10-20% of the total population (care to give exact numbers there, CCP? Guess not). But then we'd have at least one representative named Asdkfemdifelfkdj in the council. But we do, Ankhesememtoehepekaheptah is in, representing every Aliastra farmer out there. These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
RedClaws Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.05.22 12:36:00 - [60] I expected that there would be a goon representative, a bob one, and so on and that all their players would vote for that 1 guy so that in the end you just have ppl from different alliances. Seems I was wrong, I'll be reading into the next CSM much more.
Karanth Eve's Brothers of Destiny FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.05.22 12:39:00 - [61] I voted because I want *****ing rights if the thing goes pear-shaped, and that I can feel nice if good things come of it. (Order of statement is not indicative of views on how this will end.)
Zephyr Rengate Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2008.05.22 12:45:00 - [62] I did not vote because I saw no reason in doing so, nor could I be bothered to keep track of what they had to say for themselves. I have enough trouble keeping up with RL politics for me to bother diving into pointless PR stunts tbh. Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I habe no life.
El Muerte The Nine Gates	Posted - 2008.05.22 12:46:00 - [63] I ment to vote. But I was so lagged out that by the time I click the button I was back in my home station. When I tried to see what happen I got the message "Our records didn't show anything" Please forgive me.
HenkieBoy Enrave Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.05.22 12:47:00 - [64] I really wanted to vote, but when I opened the selection screen I only saw a list of names and some information about country, alliance, corp... Why didn't I vote was because the sheer number of people and the list not providing a little description how that guy/girl thought about EVE and what they wanted to change. I simply don't have the time checking out every person, what they stand for and other information. Hope CCP will change that in the future next time.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.05.22 12:50:00 - [65] Originally by: Zephyr Rengate I did not vote because I saw no reason in doing so, nor could I be bothered to keep track of what they had to say for themselves. I have enough trouble keeping up with RL politics for me to bother diving into pointless PR stunts tbh. You lack vision and you did the right thing and stayed home, let the people with one lead the way. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Sul Trewtis ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.22 12:51:00 - [66] a) Simply didn't get around to it due to RL issues. b) I feel that the current system works fine though I've got nothing against the CSM. -------------------------------------------------- Civil Disobedience is still Disobedience The most damage is done by those that know how and not why
Schani Kratnorr x13	Posted - 2008.05.22 12:55:00 - [67] I did not vote. I voted "NONE OF THE ABOVE!". In real live I have a 100% tournout for elections. I see it as a duty to vote, and I hope it does make a difference. Real life has nothing to do with EVE though. I dont think it is fair to ask a computergame community to elect what is essentially a Customer Representation Comitee. Between blogs on game additions and changes, I simply have to reject anything that is not directly tied into EVE. I play a LOT these days, and I simply cannot keep up. This makes me wonder... are those candidates even more sad than I? are their voters? I dont want to have to read forums and blogs constantly in order to be informed about the game mechanics/rules. Now I am being asked to do just that. Moreover, I am being asked to judge the suitability of the real life persona behind a character name. Yes it can be done, but at the cost of staying informed on upcoming game changes and additions. My view is that one of the first challenges of any democracy, is participation. If you can get people to take an interest, democracy thrives. As a politician you try to involve your community to get them to form their opinions. This in turn results in a more accurate vote. Actual discussions and introspective analisys on TV go only so far. The voters themselves have to stay informed about the choices they are making. This leads me to the 10% turnout... Ohhh my god. TEN percent? A complete and utter failure. Anything short of 50% turnout of ALL elegable voters is a symptom of voter apathy. (At least in a proper country). In EVE context we have to ask ourselves: why am I voting? what powers am I giving this person? what can I expect from him? who am i voting for? These basic questions are easily answered in a real-life election because they do matter. When it comes to EVE... well we are only here to avoid real life. To escape our normal lives and enjoy a game. I have no idea why I am being asked to vote all of a sudden, and linking an obscure PDF file or forum post is not good enough (time contraints mean I would rather read about the actual game). I have no idea what powers (if any) I am giving the candidates. And I suspect the whole concept is so vague noone else has either (and if they do, they have been reading forums instead of playing EVE pfffft). Because I dont know what powers the CSM has, then I dont know what to expect from my candidates. This leads to more frustration and apathy. And the final question, who am I voting for? Well I did not vote for anyone. I never ran into them in-game wearing a vote-me pin. I never blew up someone with a "Vote Jade" bookmark in cargo. I didnt see any posters on the billboards, nor did I have a chat with my clone-vat operators about their favorite candidate. To ask or expect participation in any event not directly related to EVE, is naive. I know the names of severeal of the candidates. I have some idea of the respect they enjoy from the people that know them better. What I lack, is a sense of who the person behind the character is, and getting to know someone that well is perhaps countrary to the whole concept of escapism (which is part of what games are about). It is nothing personal, but I do not trust my fellow players to make good decitions on game balance or anything else for that matter. Not because they suck (or not), but because they are... well players.
Inverc Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.22 13:00:00 - [68] Edited by: Inverc on 22/05/2008 13:00:20 I generally dislike all kind of politics and don't care about voting usually. But I happened to be on corp chat when this Dutch girl who got 3rd most votes was on and she seemed like a smart and nice person so I voted her.
Ming TMerciless	Posted - 2008.05.22 13:01:00 - [69] i did not vote , mainly because i dont care, but also i have no idea of the differance between the nominations and dont have time to read what they got to say tbh. I dont have time to read real life manifestos for my goverment and opossition party, so i definatly dont have time to do it in a game. Also i dont vote in real life because all politicians are self serving lying butt monkeys who will say whatever to get your vote then do a huge u-turn on those promises. And in the end 1 vote does not matter with proportional representation (uk).
Jack Gilligan Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.05.22 13:06:00 - [70] Mainly because I have little hope for the CSM, I don't think it really matters, having come from SWG, where there was something called a "senate" that was allowed to propose game changes. Soon as the Devs realized that they were going to have changes that were hugely popular thrown in their face that they didn't want to do, they took this ability away, changing the "senate" into nothing more than a Dev suck up club. I foresee the SAME thing happening here. It's rather obvious what the first thing the CSM will find immense support for, and that it will be something CCP will NOT want to dedicate the resources to fixing: Lag, desyncs, and bugs. You can see the direction CCP is going in with worthless expansions like empyrian age, which ignores most of their existing player base, that they want to throw crap into the game designed to appeal to the WOW audience rather than deal with what their existing customer base wants. My opinions are my own and do not reflect those of my corporation or alliance.
Kale Kold Vicious Little Killers	Posted - 2008.05.22 13:15:00 - [71] Originally by: Veldya Because it is pointless. Don't know any of the candidates, don't care for any reason they want the position and it won't do anything for us anyway. Waste of time and effort, sounds a lot like Faction Warfare. This!
Pliskkenn Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.05.22 13:29:00 - [72] Originally by: YunLi Yan Who the hell are they going to represent??? The people that could be bothered to vote. If you were interested in change don't complain now that the window to vote has gone. I voted. ---
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2008.05.22 13:34:00 - [73] Originally by: Adonis 4174 Originally by: mama guru What the hell is it needed for anyway? The premise was to have independent observers making sure no more devs hand out valuable commodities to their corpmates. And how exactly are they going to do that? Sit behind each dev 24/7? Don't think so.. hence they have no reason for being.. just some ppl trying to get into good graces with certain ppl, and play important!
Bombacla Green Men Incorporated	Posted - 2008.05.22 13:36:00 - [74] I didn't vote because i'm a new player (4months old) and i'm still learning how this game works...and that takes a lot of time reading these forums. I couldn't motivate myself to spend even more time researching all the candidates, following the debates, etc etc etc. and i rather don't vote than do an uninformed vote
Ulstan	Posted - 2008.05.22 13:41:00 - [75] Quote: As a US citizen I was suprised to see that we had the highest turnout rate given our countries' political apathy Lol whut? The US is too focused on politics, not underly focused on it. The way we now live in a 24/7 campaign season is just absurd. The minute one election is decided we race off to prepare for the next one, even though it's a year or two away. Anyway, there's no shame in not voting because you consider yourself poorly informed on the issues. The shame is in voting even if you know you aren't informed well on the issues. How is you mimicing a coin toss of any help to anyone?
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.05.22 13:48:00 - [76] Originally by: Ulstan Quote: As a US citizen I was suprised to see that we had the highest turnout rate given our countries' political apathy Lol whut? The US is too focused on politics, not underly focused on it. The way we now live in a 24/7 campaign season is just absurd. The minute one election is decided we race off to prepare for the next one, even though it's a year or two away. Anyway, there's no shame in not voting because you consider yourself poorly informed on the issues. The shame is in voting even if you know you aren't informed well on the issues. How is you mimicing a coin toss of any help to anyone? Newsflash, you never really know anything, you go by assumptions, estimations and sometimes rigid theory, not some absolute truth and core knowledge of someones essence of being. So yes, it's always going to be a coin toss, what you do to comfort yourself and assure yourself about calling it right is up to you. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Taedrin Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.05.22 13:57:00 - [77] I VOTED because: 1: Why not? --If it's pointless, then there is no harm in voting. --It's not THAT much of a waste of time. You can spend 10 minutes just scanning through a couple candidates and vote for the one that matches your idealogy the closest. The actual process of voting takes less than a minute of your time. 2: The players we vote for will get to meet the devs face to face, and speak with them directly. Even if they have no TRUE power (the white paper describing the CSM process admits that EVE is technically a dictatorship with CCP having absolute power over their product), they will at least have the ability to influence the devs through their meetings. 3: While CCP will be very unlikely to change certain things that we want changed (examples: local, cloak, skill queue, alliances in FW, etc etc), they will be able to make changes on things CCP is looking for input on (sovereignty, tweaks to FW most likely) 4: As the voters we can ask them to ask for the devs thoughts on things that seem to have been forgotten, such as the effectiveness of Stealth Bombers, Assault Frigs, etc... CSM isn't what most people thought it was, but IMO, it will be a very useful tool for us players. It will be a great help in establishing "official" communication with the devs. As it is on the forums, the devs often times do not reply to certain "hot" topics. With the CSM, we can at least force a response from them.
Bloody Rabbit Jita Miners	Posted - 2008.05.22 14:00:00 - [78] Originally by: Uncle Mo So why didn't you vote? I voted with all 3 of my accounts, but my candidate didn't get in. I'm thinking you all want the macroers to live in eve and that's why you didn't vote him in. Originally by: Radcjk PvP in eve can be sort of rough. It's closer to bad sex. Usually an hour of two of foreplay followed by 5 minutes of disappointment. And the surprise at the end.
Andre Marconius House Of Troy	Posted - 2008.05.22 14:01:00 - [79] Nice turnout, never knew that there were that many anarchists playing Eve
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2008.05.22 14:02:00 - [80] Edited by: Ponderous Thunderstroke on 22/05/2008 14:02:51 I didn't vote because the only person that was able to make a real difference wasn't on the ballot...namely, me. So why do I care if Serenity Steele gets to go to Iceland and tell Helmar what a great job he's doing, while Helmar is polishing his Ferrari with $100 dollar bills and guffawing at the Council of Stellar Muppets actually thinking they're making a differance. Congrats on your all-expenses-paid trip to validate CCP's decisions though! -- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk." Yes. Yes I am.
Bloody Rabbit Jita Miners	Posted - 2008.05.22 14:06:00 - [81] Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke Edited by: Ponderous Thunderstroke on 22/05/2008 14:02:51 I didn't vote because the only person that was able to make a real difference wasn't on the ballot...namely, me. So why do I care if Serenity Steele gets to go to Iceland and tell Helmar what a great job he's doing, while Helmar is polishing his Ferrari with $100 dollar bills and guffawing at the Council of Stellar Muppets actually thinking they're making a differance. Congrats on your all-expenses-paid trip to validate CCP's decisions though! LOL go get a job and see that the gaming industry doesn't pay THAT GREAT. Originally by: Radcjk PvP in eve can be sort of rough. It's closer to bad sex. Usually an hour of two of foreplay followed by 5 minutes of disappointment. And the surprise at the end.
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2008.05.22 14:07:00 - [82] Originally by: Bloody Rabbit Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke Edited by: Ponderous Thunderstroke on 22/05/2008 14:02:51 I didn't vote because the only person that was able to make a real difference wasn't on the ballot...namely, me. So why do I care if Serenity Steele gets to go to Iceland and tell Helmar what a great job he's doing, while Helmar is polishing his Ferrari with $100 dollar bills and guffawing at the Council of Stellar Muppets actually thinking they're making a differance. Congrats on your all-expenses-paid trip to validate CCP's decisions though! LOL go get a job and see that the gaming industry doesn't pay THAT GREAT. If you think that CCP execs are not making fistfulls off of us, you're nuts. Power of Two and that other buddy system promotion together probably give Helmar a giant $$$-woody every time he thinks about them. -- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk." Yes. Yes I am.
Ghengis Tia	Posted - 2008.05.22 14:08:00 - [83] I did vote.
Frost 1232	Posted - 2008.05.22 14:10:00 - [84] Originally by: Jack Gilligan Mainly because I have little hope for the CSM, I don't think it really matters, having come from SWG, where there was something called a "senate" that was allowed to propose game changes. Soon as the Devs realized that they were going to have changes that were hugely popular thrown in their face that they didn't want to do, they took this ability away, changing the "senate" into nothing more than a Dev suck up club. I foresee the SAME thing happening here. It's rather obvious what the first thing the CSM will find immense support for, and that it will be something CCP will NOT want to dedicate the resources to fixing: Lag, desyncs, and bugs. You can see the direction CCP is going in with worthless expansions like empyrian age, which ignores most of their existing player base, that they want to throw crap into the game designed to appeal to the WOW audience rather than deal with what their existing customer base wants. Hay i want gimic's more stuff to do look at, but the Lag fix comes first on my wish list .
Skyr Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.22 14:12:00 - [85] It is pointless. I don't know or care about any of the candidates.
Captain Falcord The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.22 14:16:00 - [86] Edited by: Captain Falcord on 22/05/2008 14:16:22 Originally by: Uncle Mo Edited by: Uncle Mo on 22/05/2008 09:07:40 What a poor turnout for the very first CSM election. Given CCP's reaction, they seem to be almost happy with the result. As a US citizen I was suprised to see that we had the highest turnout rate given our countries' political apathy. Perhaps it's time to start a discussion on why people didn't vote so improvments can be made in future elections. Personaly I didn't vote because of two reasons. I don't think the CSM is capable of making any significant changes to EVE and I didn't have time to check out every candidates' website. Don't get me wrong, I wish the new CSM's well, but I'm taking a 'believe it when I see it' attitude as far as their abilities to effect some improvements to the game. So why didn't you vote? Hey hey, stop, it, this is no real life, and there's no point in comparing them. In real life, voting results have a great impact on you, they can change your life, they matter. Even so, when democracy was first introduced the turnouts were really poor as well in real life. This is a game, I find it absolutely normal that 90% of the players don't care about voting. Not because they don't care about which changes are going to be introduced, but because they assume the one that "pro" players vote will be correct. They just can't be bothered to read through it all. I find it a great success to get a 11% turnout. I was hoping for less than a 5%. I voted Jade, of course after a careful reading of the campaigns. I prefer a 11% of people who read than a 50% of people who vote the first candidate that sounds well, or the hottest chick, or whatever.
Gabriel Darkefyre Crystal Ship	Posted - 2008.05.22 14:21:00 - [87] For those of you who decided that the whole thing was a waste of time, you had the chance to make your voice heard in the vote. In fact, 869 People chose that exact option. They voted to Abstain. Be it because of not liking any of the candidates, Not knowing enough to make an informed choice or thinking that the whole thing was a waste of time they, at least, could be bothered to vote "None of the Above" Therefore by the vote only 0.004% of the Eligible Voters voted completely against the CSM. Oh, and yes, I voted. My Candidate is on the Council.
sxndy	Posted - 2008.05.22 14:24:00 - [88] What elections? what CSM? If it looks boring I don't read it and never will.
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2008.05.22 14:28:00 - [89] Because I couldn't afford GTC for my alts Originally by: Lance Fighter This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route.
Atolie Mechanicum Adeptus	Posted - 2008.05.22 14:42:00 - [90] I did not vote, the CSM is just a useless layer between us, the players, and CCP.
Cosmar Kingfisher Industries	Posted - 2008.05.22 14:49:00 - [91] Considering almost 90% of the playerbase couldn't be arsed to take 1 min to click two thigns to vote, i doubt there's going to be a scond CSM.
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.05.22 15:05:00 - [92] Originally by: Cosmar Considering almost 90% of the playerbase couldn't be arsed to take 1 min to click two thigns to vote, i doubt there's going to be a scond CSM. hahaha if only ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Poreuomai Mirkur Draug'Tyr	Posted - 2008.05.22 15:17:00 - [93] Originally by: Cosmar Considering almost 90% of the playerbase couldn't be arsed to take 1 min to click two thigns to vote, i doubt there's going to be a scond CSM. It would have been interesting to see what CCP would do if those 90% had actively abstained.
glennkari Lions Club	Posted - 2008.05.22 15:18:00 - [94] Originally by: FourthStorm I voted. But only with one of my three accounts. I don't think 11% is a poor outcome. Hey, its the first time its done. I don't have a clue what the end result will be, but I'm sure its fun for the CSM to fly to Iceland and get drunk Same here. I only woted with 1 of my 3 accounts. Mabey when i see what they can do, ill wote with all 3 next time
NeoTheo Dark Materials	Posted - 2008.05.22 15:24:00 - [95] speaking to most of my corp, i am the only one (bar possibly 1 person), who did vote. most of them said "wont make a difference its just lip service form ccp". personally i am happy to see a move like this, i dont expect a massive change in the way things are done - however i do think its good no matter what comes of it, as long as the players dont become to power drunk. i was glad jade won by a country mile. Neotheo Dark Materials Linkage
Savant Hayt The Reich	Posted - 2008.05.22 15:33:00 - [96] I didn't vote. It's just a big PR "feel good" show. Are they going to sit over the shoulder of every dev and watch them 24/7 to see that they are behaving? They can already see what troubles the community by reading the forums. (not the huge 30 page rants in general, but the reasonable ideas to the game dev forums). It's stupid to think that those 200k+ accounts are individual players. Why vote when some guy gets 20 votes, others 5, and I get 1? Hell, I'm sure each candidate plays enough to have multiple accounts that all voted for themselves. Wouldn't be surprised if they threw a lot of isk into gtc's, made a lot of accounts and had them all vote for themselves. Nothing at all stopping them, and some people have A LOT of isk to throw around.
Ralara D00M.	Posted - 2008.05.22 15:44:00 - [97] Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Have you not realized? The CSM members are politicians. Politicians you can hunt down, kill and kill again, and again, and again. An age old dream of humanity came true. Already working on it... --
Jack Gilligan Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.05.22 15:46:00 - [98] With alliances being completely left out of the ENTIRE content of an expansion, and GTC prices rising 35%, the CSM right off the bat has two HUGE issues to address. If CCP relents on one or both of these as a result of the CSM, then I'd say that they meant what they said with respect to it. If they don't, the CSM is worthless and not worth our bother. My opinions are my own and do not reflect those of my corporation or alliance.
Fink Angel The Merry Men	Posted - 2008.05.22 15:53:00 - [99] As long as I can log in and shoot stuff, and CCP keep things on track, that's good for me. I hope players don't infulance things too much and divert CCP from their overally arc. Generally players have a vested interest in getting their interests put to the fore, so a player council might do more harm than good IMO. Also they are likely to be from the "heavy hitter" players, so will focus more on big alliance 0.0 stuff, which is all well and good, but we need to keep the balance betwen casual players and the hardcore.
Cheyenne Shadowborn Noob Much Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.22 16:11:00 - [100] Edited by: Cheyenne Shadowborn on 22/05/2008 16:14:35 I voted. Despite thinking its no more than a marketing thing. But the most annoying thing was: Too many candidates, too little guideline. It took me the best part of three hours to make a decision who to vote for, and I still feel its not the most informed decision. Should have been ONE concise page with the major campaign TOPICS by CCP - simple say 20 checkmarks or something on, say, 20 things of importance, in one concise table. People can still look up details beyond that if they care. --
Voltain BEER Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.22 16:14:00 - [101] Originally by: Inverc Edited by: Inverc on 22/05/2008 13:00:20 I generally dislike all kind of politics and don't care about voting usually. But I happened to be on corp chat when this Dutch girl who got 3rd most votes was on and she seemed like a smart and nice person so I voted her. I'm sure Hilter was alright to some when he was starting out too. She (Ahkmenshbfyvdwtficba) seems to want to play a single player EVE and came across as being a bit mental. fake edit - you're KOS
Shidhe The Babylon5 Consortuim	Posted - 2008.05.22 16:17:00 - [102] I did vote - with one account only, as I thought that more would not be fair - others doing this may account for some of the low turnout. Also I see that if you don't know people, then you may not be inclined to vote. So look at what happens, and you will know some next time!
Zev'Nar Carebear Salvagers Incorporated	Posted - 2008.05.22 16:37:00 - [103] I voted with both of my accounts. I think part of it is most of old-timers/elders in the game/forums seemed to be mute on voting for CSMs. Maybe once we see things happening with the CSMs more people will be interested in it next time.
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.05.22 16:46:00 - [104] I voted for the idea of removing the intel function from the Local, and the person most eloquent and outspoken on this subject. I am glad that most of you in this thread didn't vote, as, in my opinion, your participation would have had a detrimental effect on the SCM composition. ...
DigitalCommunist Obsidian Core	Posted - 2008.05.22 16:46:00 - [105] I didn't vote because I don't trust the CSM candidates to filter out the good ideas from the bad ones. There are two, maybe three people on there that I even expect to say anything worthwhile. And chances are I'd still disagree with them. The rest I'll write off as newbs unless they prove otherwise. _______________________________ http://epicwords.net/
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.05.22 16:54:00 - [106] Originally by: DigitalCommunist I didn't vote because I don't trust the CSM candidates to filter out the good ideas from the bad ones. There are two, maybe three people on there that I even expect to say anything worthwhile. And chances are I'd still disagree with them. The rest I'll write off as newbs unless they prove otherwise. You should have run yourself. I'm sure you would have received most of the vet vote. ...
Decadre Solydius	Posted - 2008.05.22 16:59:00 - [107] They should have had the voting done in game with a pop-up window. Eve has an in-game browser which could probably have been utilized as well for people to view a short blurb about each candidate.
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:00:00 - [108] Originally by: Uncle Mo So why didn't you vote? Dude, I did, but I couldn't be arsed to do it with my 4 alts as well. EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
Apoctasy The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:19:00 - [109] Originally by: Veldya Because it is pointless. Don't know any of the candidates, don't care for any reason they want the position and it won't do anything for us anyway. Waste of time and effort, sounds a lot like Faction Warfare. this
UGWidowmaker Setenta Corp Dominatus Phasmatis	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:32:00 - [110] i Voted only with my main! thats why. i think alot only voted with mains! i know alot who only did that anyways! OMFG I am the widowmaker stay tuned.
UGWidowmaker Setenta Corp Dominatus Phasmatis	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:33:00 - [111] they should have made it more easy! ingame vote before u can login simple! u ofc get an option to vote blank.. would have been much more vise. i also know alot who cant be arsed to go to the eve-online website! due to spam in forums. OMFG I am the widowmaker stay tuned.
DigitalCommunist Obsidian Core	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:37:00 - [112] Originally by: Razin You should have run yourself. I'm sure you would have received most of the vet vote. I have six good reasons not to run myself, and even if I did and somehow win.. what exactly have I won beyond a free trip to Iceland? CCP don't have the testicular fortitude to make the really dicey changes without incredible support from the playerbase. That I most definitely won't have, because the majority of players think in terms of what will benefit them personally. A lot of the stuff I'd like would just make the game focused more on teamwork, and interactivity. That comes at the expense of individuals, and a large portion of them are unwilling or unable to make the switch. _______________________________ http://epicwords.net/
LED R0BSTER	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:45:00 - [113] Didn't vote cuz I don't care bout CSM, Ambulation,faction(dumb idea)warfare, or any of that crap really. Useless garbage. FIX THE LAG FIRST. PVP is what drives EvE and it's time to forget about the mission-whoring nooblets in hi-sec and focus on giving the PVP'ers a stable arena on which to PVP. aka FIX THE DAMN LAG ALREADY. Take all those shuttle things back and FIX THE LAG as a 5th birthday present CCP. :) I am the LED ROBSTER. All your starbase are belong to me.
Polyphony MASS DYNAMICS	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:53:00 - [114] I didn't vote primarily because I feel my vote does not matter. There is a clear conflict of interest from all the candidates because in the end they are still playing the game and that will be their top priority.
Huberek Morchu	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:58:00 - [115] I didnt vote because I dont care about CSM. I think the devs do a fine job, and the forums are good enough for player input. If you dont like the game, can I have your stuff?
Zaknussem The Ironbreakers	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:28:00 - [116] Originally by: Kilhu Emmek Voted to abstain, because what the CSM is and what it will actually be is nothing like what was claimed at the time of the T20 scandal and the resulting New York Times article (look it up), etc. No less a personage than the CEO of CCP said the CSM would be able to audit CCP, they'd call in election monitors from Europe and the US ... and what it's turned into is basically a sort of "super forum" for a handful of players to tell the devs what the rest of the players think is important? That whole "customer feedback" thing really worked out well for factional warfare, with alliances entirely cut out of FW and long time players either having to suck it up and skip the new "content" or change the way they've played the game for (in many cases) years. Honestly, it was just a "bad press hardener" and after the bad press went away, CCP turned the hardener off and proceeded to go about the usual looting and salvaging. No disrespect to those chosen, but consider mine a vote of no confidence in CCP. If I could vote for another company to take the game over, I would, in a heartbeat. I agree with the above statement, except I didn't bother to vote.
Jorek Glayyd	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:32:00 - [117] Because it's just a video game?
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:02:00 - [118] I personally dont believe in majority voting when it comes to picking the best candidate for this job. --- Its dead, Jim.
decoherance The Scope	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:02:00 - [119] Originally by: Jorek Glayyd Because it's just a video game? This
Rawr Cristina Naqam	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:30:00 - [120] 11% is pretty good IMO all things considered. ...
Quaxtl	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:35:00 - [121] It's because people are too lazy* or/and don't know anything about the candidates*, not because they think it is just a facade on the part of CCP. (be it being on the forums and not being arsed to follow the links, or finding out about it just as they log into the game... meaning it passes from memory pretty darn quickly) **(they could do with a bit more coverage)
cal nereus Koshaku Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:38:00 - [122] Edited by: cal nereus on 22/05/2008 19:39:26 My views are simple: in a democracy, you aren't electing someone to represent the majority of citizens/players (mob rule), but rather you are electing someone liked by the majority of people who actually care enough to vote. And that's about as good as any democracy gets. We don't need everyone's voice being heard, just the ones that are shouting loudest. Besides, it is just a game. Most players don't care, especially since they know the CSM won't have much of an impact on their gameplay (for now). --- Skills
Axexut PROGENITOR CORPORATION	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:00:00 - [123] First - Congrats to Ms. Jobse . . . good campaign points and the only one who took the effort IMO. Second - If they really wanted to make this council mean someting - Chribba and Theo Samaritan should both be permanent members. Third - 11% turnout (considering how many keep their accounts active, that this is a video game at the end of the day, and given the turnout in most RL elections) isn't that bad. Now - if the Council actually does do all it promised . . . I'd bet the turnout on the next one is MUCH higher.
Markus Vaughn State War Academy	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:13:00 - [124] I voted myself near the end of the time allotted, however I suspect that a majority of people didn't vote on two things. First is that it's been generally established a very small minority read the official forums avidly than the rest of the gaming community, hence they wouldn't know much about the voting. And second, I believe that most people didn't think anything important will happen after, the game will still go on. -------------- "Politics. As exciting as war. Definitely as dangerous... Though in war, you can only get killed once. In politics it can happen over and over."
000Hunter000 Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:46:00 - [125] BHAHAHAHAAAAA 11.8%? is that true? BHAHAHAHHAHAHAAA Just as i thought, and u know whats worse? of that 11.8% prolly almost 50% are alt votes as well. Heres to u ccp for wasting all our time with another useless scheme. _______________________________________________________ CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Shadow Joy	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:51:00 - [126] Why vote for the CSM? I don't know any of the candidates and don't think they will have much (if any) affect on the direction of the game. Far as I am concerned the only EVE vote that matters is my renewed subscription.
Skogen Gump	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:52:00 - [127] Originally by: DigitalCommunist I have six good reasons not to run myself Truth, you got it right :)
Daelin Blackleaf Naqam	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:57:00 - [128] Originally by: Jim McGregor I personally dont believe in majority voting when it comes to picking the best candidate for this job. This. ...and I feel CCP should take responsibility for their product, without middlemen, scapegoats, or any other unnecessary layers of bureaucracy between them and their customers.
xithus AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.05.22 21:41:00 - [129] tbo if ccp wants to change the game not a thing any of the csm say is going to change that, under that setting this is basically a pr thing and a few people get a free trip to iceland, I dont care about either so I did not vote end of story.
CrestoftheStars Recreation Of The World	Posted - 2008.05.23 00:00:00 - [130] Originally by: Adonis 4174 Originally by: mama guru What the hell is it needed for anyway? The premise was to have independent observers making sure no more devs hand out valuable commodities to their corpmates. which would be impossible if they had a save system like ANY other mmo i have ever heard of (only talking about mmo's where i have heard of how the mechanic works for the usage of dev/gm "accounts" ).. it is bs that they couldn't manage such a little task from the start, and like the caunsel will have any way in hell of stopping them doing it anyway... not like they can actually catch them, it is clear luck and stupidity from a devs side if he get caught doing so.... ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded
Pixish	Posted - 2008.05.23 00:23:00 - [131] 1) Didn't know any of them. 2) I hate voting in RL.. why would i want to do it in a game. 3) I'm not going to spend time reading some guys BS story on why he deserves it. 4) If its not a little pop up window inside the game then i wouldn't of done it anyways (but then i would of just picked the person with the stupidest name) 5) Lazy
Element 22	Posted - 2008.05.23 00:40:00 - [132] Hypothesis: A representative democracy is best served when those voting are informed about the procedures of the job, the powers delegated to the Representatives, and how to remove those Representatives from power if they err. I know nothing of the individuals, sure, I have their pages, but without actual interaction with them or real time observation of their actions. I might as well vote for Huckleberry Finn in that case. CCP hasn't conclusively stated their powers, limits and general duties, and I cannot in good faith vote anyone into power without a clear understanding of the circumstances under which they will be exercising their power. When will elections be held again? Next year? every 4 years? Never? And is there a method for impeaching them? All very important questions. Conclusion: While my hypothesis is correct, the conditions necessary for the voter (in this case being the author) to fulfill the obligations in said hypothesis are missing and thus the voter (i.e. the author) cannot vote in good faith. Signatures are annoying...kinda like me.
Vasili Z Beasts of Burden R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.23 00:58:00 - [133] Hay guys let's all vote for people we've never heard of so that they can get a free trip to another country to decide nothing about the video game we play. ------- Everything I say represents my corporation and their views. Barely active
Malaan Tabfassh The Flowing Penguins	Posted - 2008.05.23 01:08:00 - [134] I abstained, so I did not not vote , I don't want to be represented by anyone in this videogame. After all that's all what it is. Maybe PR-like CCP would have done better with a lottery and 9 people win free trips to iceland every month Well have fun you 9 and don't forget to bring enough money for beer.
Kinkie Yuuki	Posted - 2008.05.23 01:08:00 - [135] I voted for LaVista Vista coz hes so handsome. Actually because I received a corp mail telling me to.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.05.23 01:11:00 - [136] Originally by: Vasili Z Hay guys let's all vote for people we've never heard of so that they can get a free trip to another country to decide nothing about the video game we play. Jealousy becomes you. These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
illusha Hells Angels Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.23 01:30:00 - [137] I was busy having sex with your mom
Manic Smile The Scope	Posted - 2008.05.23 03:56:00 - [138] Edited by: Manic Smile on 23/05/2008 03:57:20 I did vote, I chose the guy named "Abstain"...am i doing it right? seriously I don't think this is anything but a publicity stunt on CCPs part...here's hoping I'm wrong also history shows that the more meaningful options there are in an election that support the population base the more voters there will be...so apparently only 10% felt represented
Ivan Kinsikor Void Engineers	Posted - 2008.05.23 05:07:00 - [139] I didn't vote because anything spawned from these forums is doomed to fail. I mean, seriously, the only reason to come here is to laugh at CAOD and the ship and fittings board. ---------------------------------------- *****es don't know 'bout my nano'd Titan ----------------------------------------
Khamal Jolstien Lucky Hydra Corp SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.23 07:05:00 - [140] I thought it was a bad idea. I actually chose Abstain.
Joshua Foiritain Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.23 07:10:00 - [141] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 23/05/2008 07:09:47 Originally by: Adonis 4174 Originally by: mama guru What the hell is it needed for anyway? The premise was to have independent observers making sure no more devs hand out valuable commodities to their corpmates. From what i understand that idea was phased out a long time ago, todays CSM gets to advise CCP on what features the players want, either so CCP can stop reading the forums or so that they have a scapegoat to point at when the community goes on another riot. All in all, waste of time tbh. -----
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.05.23 07:59:00 - [142] Originally by: Veldya Because it is pointless. Don't know any of the candidates, don't care for any reason they want the position and it won't do anything for us anyway. Waste of time and effort, sounds a lot like Faction Warfare. This "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Master Beats	Posted - 2008.05.23 08:00:00 - [143] Edited by: Master Beats on 23/05/2008 08:00:11 So many negative vibe's from "whiners inc".
Reven Cordelle	Posted - 2008.05.23 09:43:00 - [144] I voted. The guy I voted for didn't win, but my second choice did. woo! Its a shame that so many people put effort into their campaigns and no one really noticed. Chances are most people were too busy posting killmails to be concerned about the CSM Election.
Lillian Meilleur	Posted - 2008.05.23 10:12:00 - [145] i think i voted jade at the very beginning with one of my accounts. after that i couldnt really be bothered to find the link again. so .. ****ty voting interface, well hidden and it being a computer game and all i reckon 11% is a good turn out. also, welcome to democracy. if you dont put effort into motivating the people around you participate or dont even particiapte yourself (even just to abstain) then you have nothing to complain about.
Admiral Nova Strike Team Nova	Posted - 2008.05.23 10:14:00 - [146] I thought, I'd better vote, so I searched for the link for about 15 minutes, found it, the page didn't work and timed out. I did this about 5 more times over the course of the voting, and I think once I managed to get in and cast 1 vote out of the 8 odd accounts I'm running. Basically, the page to vote sucked, and they burried it so it was much much harder to find out how to vote than it was to find out how 'good' ccp was for letting us vote.
Wild Rho GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.05.23 10:15:00 - [147] Originally by: Jim McGregor I personally dont believe in majority voting when it comes to picking the best candidate for this job. Pretty much what I was thinking. Being a popular personality doesn't qualify someone to have a voice in the direction Eve should be going and I can't really trust any player not to push their own agenda in that regard either.

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