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Grarr Dexx
Naval Protection Corp
Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.05.27 07:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Hannibal AntePorta
Edited by: Hannibal AntePorta on 24/05/2008 08:45:17
Edited by: Hannibal AntePorta on 24/05/2008 08:44:23
@ Akita
You really didn't respond to the substance, nor did you bring any relevant information to the table in your response to my post save for an off base example.
So I'll ask again, if all learning skills are automatically made to be 5 or all stats +10 and the skills scapped what exactly do established players lose? Other than a percieved loss of time in the past?
I'm sorry but there is no 'other than' here. People who have invested valuable time in these skills will have lost it to everyone else.
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Epidemis
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Posted - 2008.05.27 14:20:00 -
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Edited by: Epidemis on 27/05/2008 14:20:37
People, if you dont understand the OP's point, stop posting.
They are mandatory for any rational beings playing more than 2 months, now now, I know not everyone is rational, but still, respect the OP's point.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.05.27 18:04:00 -
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I guess they're just about the same level of "mandatory" as the frigate, cruiser, battleship, weapon and so on and so forth skills...
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.05.28 18:52:00 -
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Edited by: Ulstan on 28/05/2008 18:54:47
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Why make the new players spend a month learning filler skills?
No one makes new players spend any time learning skills at all. Moreover, it doesn't even take a month to train every single learning skill in the game to IV.
Only brainless clods who can't prioritize or think clearly believe that the first thing they should do is train every learning skill to V, and I think the current situation should exist just to punish such unintelligent people.
You lose *nothing* by delaying training your learning skills by a month or two. Nothing meaningful at all. OTOH you can gain a good set of ship, combat, and support skills to give you something to do while you train the learning skills. Mix them in with your other skills as you need them, don't just train them all in one huge block. Decide what you're going to focus on first and get the relevent 4 learning skills up to rank IV. That takes, what, like, 4 days now?
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zekama
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Posted - 2008.05.29 01:17:00 -
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I started this game about one year and a month ago. I did not train any learning skills except learning.By August of last year I could fly a hulk. Now my friend started training for a hulk at the same time. He finished about 2 week before me and i wish now that i would have train my learning skills then but i did not it was my fault and i payed with it for 2 weeks and now i only have basic a lv 4 and i am doing fine and i took me 2 weeks to train them all to lv for. So people who think learning skills are a bad idea there not you think that a +10 attributes to every body in eve would be easy. CCP can't just push a button it would take months to do just half the current players let alone that are currently not playing and might come back it is just two much for CCP so you guys who think learning skills are going to go away or CCP is going to give any one +10 attribute it is not going to happen unless ccp has a lot of free time on there hand And by doing this CCP could not come out with any more updates there for even if CCP does regret putting out learning skills they are here to stay 
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RaTTuS
BIG
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Posted - 2008.05.29 09:04:00 -
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I totally disagree,
it is all about choices, you dont not need to do any learning skills what so ever , it will just mean you train a lot slower than someone else.
When I started there was only the basic learning skills. I made my choices and started off with the 40k SP you did then,
I trained the skills I needed and plugged at the leaning skills inbetween.
I soon found out I want to play this for >6 months so maxed out the basic ones.
in the mean time I also had the need for a science alt, [I had run out of lab slots on the main] so I made my choices and trained up specifically for what I wanted - this included level 4 on the basic leaning skills [mem + int] so I trained them - my decision.
then we got implants [+3 only and you had to mission ***** for them]- that would of made my training easier ...
then we got advanced learnings [in those days they needed level 5 of the basic ones to run - I said at the time they should of been level 4 requirements but .... no]
now you kids thesedays get 800k SP on character creation , +1 implants from the tutorial agents +2 and +3 for mega cheep price,
and still you whine,
the learning skills are all about longevity - it doesn't matter if you don't train them to 5/5 in the 1st month - 4/3 is fast - if you wait a month and do 5/4 you have not lost out on anything
4/0 is fine in fact if your playing and not buying cash I'm not sure how to get to pay for the advanced learnings. but it is an investment - for the future...
my Alt only recently got his advanced learnings - and he's on 4/3 as that is all he needs to do what he needs to do .
removal of advanced and +5 to all attribs is just a poor way of showing that you want it all now you don't need them ...
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