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Jack Gilligan Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:04:00 - [1] Edited by: Jack Gilligan on 22/05/2008 19:04:37 As things stand, people in alliances are not going to be allowed to participate in any of the content of the upcoming expansion. The Devs have stated reasons (such as preventing the 0.0 powerblocs from dominating), but there is no avoiding that anyway, as those denied participation will still be able to show up and gank those who are. I believe that allowing alliances to align with the factions and participate will HELP, not hinder, the stated goal of FW being a "bridge" to the 0.0 pvp endgame by introducing those in empire to the 0.0 alliances as they natually interact in the common goal of achieving control for the common faction they support. This will be infinitely preferable to the interaction being alliance blob shows up, militia members ganked. I propose that factional warfare not be added to EVE unless alliance members can participate fully. My opinions are my own and do not reflect those of my corporation or alliance.
zykerx Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:07:00 - [2] agreed . "MY COMMENTS IN NO WAY REFLECT MY CORP OR ALLIANCE"
Herschel Yamamoto Bloodmoney Incorporated	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:17:00 - [3] It's way, way too late to actually have this be implemented in Empyrean Age, but I agree that it should be changed ASAP. It was a stupid decision, and it should be changed. ------------------ Fix the forums!
Haakelen United Forces	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:18:00 - [4] There should be some mechanics change to allow players in an alliance to not be excluded from FW. Whether that means participation on a player, corp, or alliance level, is up to CCP, and should be carefully balanced.
Jack Gilligan Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:21:00 - [5] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto It's way, way too late to actually have this be implemented in Empyrean Age, but I agree that it should be changed ASAP. It was a stupid decision, and it should be changed. Actually they've stated that they could do it. It's that they don't want to do it. When they delayed FW before they promised that it was so that it wouldn't be broken and half assed. A pvp FW that excludes a large amount of the player base is obviously both broken and half done. My opinions are my own and do not reflect those of my corporation or alliance.
Herschel Yamamoto Bloodmoney Incorporated	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:29:00 - [6] Originally by: Jack Gilligan Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto It's way, way too late to actually have this be implemented in Empyrean Age, but I agree that it should be changed ASAP. It was a stupid decision, and it should be changed. Actually they've stated that they could do it. It's that they don't want to do it. When they delayed FW before they promised that it was so that it wouldn't be broken and half assed. A pvp FW that excludes a large amount of the player base is obviously both broken and half done. By that I mean that we can't change their minds at this point. I'm not defending the decision, merely saying that it's been made(...for now). ------------------ Fix the forums!
Jalmari Huitsikko Karjala Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:31:00 - [7] FW will need a lot working and people in alliances need to be able to participate in it too. However. Big alliances would start to dominate it pretty fast so maybe alliance level FW should happen in 0.0. Also, I think there should be very strict faction standing requirements for joining your corp or alliance in FW so you can't just go hopping from side to another as you please. FW should require certain dedication to roleplaying aspects instead of being a mere pvp arena for newbies/casual empire dwellers. Still I think introducing FW as planned will be a good thing.
Jack Gilligan Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.05.22 22:41:00 - [8] Edited by: Jack Gilligan on 22/05/2008 22:41:12 Originally by: Jalmari Huitsikko FW will need a lot working and people in alliances need to be able to participate in it too. However. Big alliances would start to dominate it pretty fast so maybe alliance level FW should happen in 0.0. Also, I think there should be very strict faction standing requirements for joining your corp or alliance in FW so you can't just go hopping from side to another as you please. FW should require certain dedication to roleplaying aspects instead of being a mere pvp arena for newbies/casual empire dwellers. Still I think introducing FW as planned will be a good thing. They are going to be involved ANYWAY. The FW complexes will be killboard fodder. Better to give alliances a role so that they will be constructive, not disruptive. My opinions are my own and do not reflect those of my corporation or alliance.
Treelox Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.05.22 22:47:00 - [9] /thumb spam --
Lord WarATron Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:04:00 - [10] Would be intresting -- Billion Isk Mission

Yara Stone Southern Productions	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:16:00 - [11] Edited by: Yara Stone on 22/05/2008 23:15:50 I think if we exclude anybody from the patch content they will find a way to include themselfs.
Ephemeral Waves Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:19:00 - [12] agreed.
Sally Bestonge GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:20:00 - [13] well you can "participate" if you could blowing up everyone who actually wanted to participate or alts.
Scagga Laebetrovo Delictum 23216 San Matari.	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:45:00 - [14] I've changed my initial standpoint on this issue. I don't think, with the FW structure as it is now, that alliances should be permitted to take part. I would press for an enhancement of the existing mechanics whereby alliances could participate as part of a better system. San Matari Official forums
Fallorn GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.23 00:32:00 - [15] It would show people the lag we complain about. It would also allow RP alliances to have fun and other alliances to have semi-priviteer like wars. More things to kill and to go ride bikes in empire isn't a bad thing. Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
maltari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.05.23 01:16:00 - [16] Agreed. As it is now, it seems meant for new players or alts. Corps shouldn't have to leave their alliances to participate.
Zeknichov Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2008.05.23 01:21:00 - [17] Alliances are just going to have dummy corps with their alts partake in faction wars. Not allowing alliance members to use their mains is a slap in the face. I fully support allowing alliances into factional warfare.
Jonny Damordred Stimulus	Posted - 2008.05.23 01:35:00 - [18] I just put up a possible solution to this here: Linkage But yah, it's unfair for so many to be locked out of FW... Cheers, Jonny D. ------------------------- CEO and Professor of Gunboat Diplomacy
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.23 09:56:00 - [19] Agreed. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Space Explorer Evil Fluffy Bunnies	Posted - 2008.05.23 10:00:00 - [20] I would only allow this for RP alliances, but since that will be very hard to implement i don't think this is a good idea. No 0.0 powerblocks ruling FW pls, let FW have their own powerblocks.

Milamar Tokugawa	Posted - 2008.05.23 11:30:00 - [21] I find it quite stupid. Wasnt this meant for new players to get some easy pvp? For new people it is easier to live with a big alliance that protects and trains you for 0.0 possibly. These new players dont have the isk to have an non-alliance alt to do FW! Please CCP, let us newer players to get into pvp and still participate to alliance!
The Hooch Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.23 12:42:00 - [22] agreed, let everyone play! Concord punishes people, it does not protect them
Maor Raor	Posted - 2008.05.23 12:53:00 - [23] I feel that Alliances have enough power in game without having total control over FW also. Big no from me. Leave FW for small corps and solo players.. Alliances already have everything else.
Dav Varan	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:32:00 - [24] Can non alliance players have unrestricted ( not affected by cyno jammers ) access to alliance space as well please. FW is meant as an introduction to PvP and 0.0. Alliances have there own wars to fight , keep alliances out of FW. Any player can take part in FW allready , you just need to leave your alliance. We dont need Alliance politics in low sec , no thanks.
Skogen Gump	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:40:00 - [25] My support, you lost it But seriously; with full respect to the respectable members, what would happen to Factional Warfare if you let the Goons in, or perhaps Bob or another similarly puissant force ? It'd ruin it - that's what it'd do.
Vanagib mega mining corporation Pure.	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:41:00 - [26] Agreed.
Etil DeLaFuente Res Publica Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.05.24 12:29:00 - [27] Edited by: Etil DeLaFuente on 24/05/2008 12:30:40 Not supported. FW is more like RP imo, so alliances shouldn't be able to join it unless their members are only from one race and then able to fight for it.
Ethaet Aliastra	Posted - 2008.05.24 13:01:00 - [28] I support this. Many alliances like to RP, excluding them just because they want to be part of something larger while still RPing is wrong. The 'x large 0.0 alliance joining and bringing in 500 capships' can be easily avoided - make it so RPer alliances must be added to FW by ISD or whoever - not just any alliance can join. -------------------------------------------------------------- Seriously, we need some kind of separation between the post and signature. There you go. Now that wasn't so hard
Xanja 2H Industries	Posted - 2008.05.24 13:14:00 - [29] agree -----------------
Deldrac Bat Country Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.05.24 14:51:00 - [30] Edited by: Deldrac on 24/05/2008 14:51:52 Originally by: Skogen Gump what would happen to Factional Warfare if you let the Goons in, or perhaps Bob or another similarly puissant force ? It'd ruin it - that's what it'd do. But Goons will be in. I understand they are currently choosing which faction to support. They'll just create a twinked alt corp. Banning alliance members just irritates the RP alliances, and prevents participation from small scale primarily-empire-space alliances who can't be bothered with alt corps (ie. most alliances). And for what? There is no advantage in doing it this way, unless it is just that it is easier to program.



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