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Pliauga
Militek Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.24 18:07:00 -
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I opose this proposition. Thumbs down.
However, I do agree there is a problem. CCP simply chose the lesser of two evils. Which is a good thing. So stop flaming them for that. Or atleast wait until empyrean age is out and see how it works out (I do understand it could end up very very broken).
However, a solution to that problem, in my mind, could be 0.0 alternatives to the faction militias. Faction warfare 0.0 edition. or smth like that. There is lots of room for improovment.
(please flame responsibly)
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jade ronin
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Posted - 2008.05.24 18:12:00 -
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thumbs down as well. bringing in the major alliances will hinder all efforts for FW and 0.0 conflict.
its like being in the amarr militia and fighting to dave matari space ... cant have your cake and eat it too
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Uncle Mo
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2008.05.28 05:17:00 -
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FW will be a flop, but thumbs-up anyways. Restricting a major game mechanic to a limited player base is just plain stupid. Alliances should be able to use FW to allow n00b pilots to train up their skills without the rigors of 0.0 fleet ops. It would be a perfect training ground. It's just as stupid as getting concorded for accidently engaging a weapon on someone in your fleet that doesn't happen to be in your corp. I hate empire.
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LordSwift
New Eden Regimental Navy
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Posted - 2008.05.29 10:23:00 -
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No i dont agree. Alliances should not be allowed to join. This war will be over 0.1 - 1.0 systems. Alliances will have plenty of time to fight over regions in 0.0 that are left because people join the wars. 
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RuleoftheBone
Ataraxia.
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Posted - 2008.05.29 10:59:00 -
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Thumbs down...disagree...whatever.
Alliances should not be allowed to blob out FW. Hence...let them participate via alt (which they will do anyway) .
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Shandri Kantrell
Tooth and Claw
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Posted - 2008.05.29 12:36:00 -
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From what I understand the only thing keeping Alliances out is they can't join one of the faction teams. As there is alot of lowsec involved do you really think not being in one of the faction teams will stop an Alliance such as Goons, RA, BoB or any other big alliance from dropping 20 carriers in just to watch the people on both sides run like roaches? Or just having them camp the entrances to the systems.
I think your far better off letting them participate rather then keeping them out so they break it out of spite.
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Talkuth Rel
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.06.06 16:05:00 -
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Issue supported.
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nVChicky
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Posted - 2008.07.03 17:27:00 -
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Doc Extropy
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.07.03 17:59:00 -
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Yes, I'm all for it.
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Saori Rei
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.07.04 02:33:00 -
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No way. Leave 0.0 to the alliances and 0.1 + space to the FW groups.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.07.04 15:44:00 -
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This issue is something to be combined with Rodj's thread on the same subject and will be brought up on sunday.
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Deldrac
Bat Country
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2008.07.04 23:51:00 -
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Edited by: Deldrac on 04/07/2008 23:51:02
Yes, yes, supported, obv.
If alliances aren't active in FW, it can't act as a bridge to 0.0. I really have difficulty understanding why the devs don't see that.
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Kaildoth
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.05 16:34:00 -
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Edited by: Kaildoth on 05/07/2008 16:34:57
Totally disagree, the whole point is for new people to learn about pvp in eve and then when they have some experience they can go join alliances in 0.0. Letting alliances in FW will totally ruin it and it will end up just like 0.0 with caps and all that c**p. Some people (including me) joined FW to go away from the whole alliance thing and all that crap you always see in CAOD that going on there.
Alliances already have their playgrounds why you need to play in FW also? Go conquer some 0.0 space, why you want to conquer low sec space???....
CCP keep alliances out of FW dont ruin something good you made.
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Amoun Ra
Caldari
Caldari Assault Fleet
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Posted - 2008.07.08 10:58:00 -
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Sorry but i have to disagree, i believe alliance shouldn't be allowed to join FW and here are my reasons:
1- Alliances will dominate FW if they were allowed they have more isk and more experience than any of the FW participants. Some of you will say that this way CCP is alienating a large number of eve players i say CCP would alienate even more players by allowing alliances to join just look at how many players are in the caldari militia they are more than any existing alliance do you want to lose them ?
2-For those of you who fear alliances would ruin FW i don't believe this will happen so far most alliances have acted responsibly and avoided getting involved in factional warfare to the extent of ruining it (although showing support for the militias by providing ships and modules and PvP experience is something that is very welcomed). Besides i doubt ccp would let alliances ruin their product.
3-Don't most alliance members have alts already in militias so whats the problem 
4-As for RP alliances i can only say i understand your suffering and i sympathize with you but the only thing i can say is this is eve adapt or die. 
5-I haven't been in an 0.0 alliances but i have tried once taking down a POS and i have to agree if that is how 0.0 warfare is it must be really boring but that is no reason for alliances to join FW eve is a big game and its all about choices and the way i see it alliance have to make a choice you either stay in 0.0 space because that is what you like and demand CCP fix it as it is your right, or leave 0.0 break the alliance and join FW.
Anyway that is just my personal opinion on the subject and why i choose not to support this notion. |
Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.08 16:19:00 -
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No. Alliances should be kept out of factional warfare.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.07.08 16:32:00 -
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Well CSM voted 6-3 for the alliance corps in faction warfare militias fix to be implemented with as much urgency as we can manage.
I personally feel its very important and its fortunate for the RP community we got 3 RP friendly CSM's in the mix :)
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:30:00 -
[47]
 Originally by: Jade Constantine
Well CSM voted 6-3 for the alliance corps in faction warfare militias fix to be implemented with as much urgency as we can manage.
I personally feel its very important and its fortunate for the RP community we got 3 RP friendly CSM's in the mix :)
Does that mean the request to allow alliances into FW is to presented to CCP or that it already has been? Remember, we still don't have the CSM meeting minutes from CSM meetings 4 and 5.
If it's already been presented to CCP, what was their response?
Windjammer
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QuiChang Kane
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:41:00 -
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I wholeheartedly agree with CCP's already existing policy on the issue. I mean honestly alliances are there own faction in themselves. Are you spending your time supporting your alliance's goals and defending it's space or out fighting faction warfare and leaving the homefront undefended ... I really dont see these 2 goals coexisting. If even 50% of an alliance military force is off playing faction warfare when an invasion begins, how will that leave the state of the alliance. I could see this used to overthrow some powerblocs with the right intel. Question shjouldn't be CAN alliance members join FW, many have moved whole corps out of major alliances already to pursue FW, but rather should our alliance join FW would you open your alliance to invasion. All in all, I think the Dev's took care of the issue for us honestly.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Windjammer
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Well CSM voted 6-3 for the alliance corps in faction warfare militias fix to be implemented with as much urgency as we can manage.
I personally feel its very important and its fortunate for the RP community we got 3 RP friendly CSM's in the mix :)
Does that mean the request to allow alliances into FW is to presented to CCP or that it already has been? Remember, we still don't have the CSM meeting minutes from CSM meetings 4 and 5.
If it's already been presented to CCP, what was their response?
Windjammer
In Iceland we asked what the problem was with Alliances and FW and got told the technical details - ie that it was entirely possible for Alliance corps to remain in their alliances and still join Militias. CCP told us they were still deciding whether or not it was good idea to allow this function.
Hence now we'll be re-submitting the Issue and saying "yes we think its a good idea please do it".
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.08 23:30:00 -
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Edited by: Windjammer on 08/07/2008 23:35:13
Originally by: Jade Constantine
In Iceland we asked what the problem was with Alliances and FW and got told the technical details - ie that it was entirely possible for Alliance corps to remain in their alliances and still join Militias. CCP told us they were still deciding whether or not it was good idea to allow this function.
Hence now we'll be re-submitting the Issue and saying "yes we think its a good idea please do it".
Sooo........you guys discussed issues with CCP in Iceland that were not on the agenda prior to going to Iceland?
Windjammer
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Amaldor Themodius
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Posted - 2008.07.09 06:59:00 -
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So many other more pressing issues for CSM to address I hope this one is well down the list of priorities. Alliances will simply destroy FW in my opinion by dominating the space and making the fights even more blob centric than they are at present. With the additional numbers alliances will bring to fights comes lag and diminished pvp experience.
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Dihania
Gallente
Mucho Dolor
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Posted - 2008.07.09 14:52:00 -
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No.
The pvp experience and organisation of alliance pilots is far grater than those of the regular empire dwellers which are participating in FW.
A pvp corporation will get tired of shooting noobs for ****zle in about 3 weeks tops and will focus on the other pvp corporations in the other militia.
In these 3 weeks many noobs will avoid combat and many more will die without a chance and all be disapointed. Why? Because there is little place for them in the sand box.
After the pleasure of shooting poorly fighting back targets is gone, alliance pvp corporations will be reluctant to take on noobs aboard, becasue they lack pvp skills and thus do not help fighting the otther alliance pvp corps. Plus they could be spies.
Most people are selfish and most act like it without thought. I believe it is best to let alliances where they are.
Besides, noobs killing noobs is fun, unlike vets bbquing noobs. They get teh taste of pvp and as FW has no set candy once you "win" they will look into pvping somewhere else, somewhere with more rewards: mercenary corps, pirate corps, 0.0 corps.
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Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
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Posted - 2008.08.21 01:05:00 -
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This issue seems to be growing cold, so I'd like to kick it again.
To summarize events up to now, back in the first CSM meeting this issue was raised, and CCPs response was that it was impossible (or at least difficult) to allow alliances as a whole to participate. They also said that it would be very easy to allow individual corps to join militias while still remaining in an alliance.
I'm extremely disappointed that this has not been followed up on. It really is silly that dedicated RP alliances, especially, are barred from participating unless they disband the alliance, and this simple change would alleviate the issue. If necessary, the standings requirement could be raised to protect FW from large-scale interference, or there could be a higher requirement for corps that are in alliances.
Please put more emphasis on this. I understand that there are many 'more critical' things to address, but this is an easy change (according to CCP) that would benefit a great number of people for whom the events of FW are important.
Thank you.
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DEATHsyphon
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.08.21 01:59:00 -
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Edited by: DEATHsyphon on 21/08/2008 01:59:00
Supported. My reason though is that by allowing alliances in to faction warfare might mean longstanding NAP's will be broken resulting in more wars and changes in 0.0 |
ITTigerClawIK
Shi no Koneko
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Posted - 2008.08.21 21:13:00 -
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many RP alliances have been left out of something they have wanted for a long time, they shoudlnt have to divide or break up communitys just for something like this let them join
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Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.08.22 00:23:00 -
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Just to clarify, I'm supporting the option mentioned by CCP to allow individual corps to apply to militias while remaining members of an alliance. They would still be required to meet the standings requirements that independent corps must meet to enlist. In order for an entire alliance to join, each member corp would have to meet that requirement.
According to CCP, a change of this sort would be fairly easy to implement. Make it so! We come for our people ... but are currently being kicked out by the bouncers.
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Ushra'Khan
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cloud55111
Gallente
Azure Lagoon Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.28 01:20:00 -
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AGREED...sorry
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Gabriel Darkefyre
Crystal Ship
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Posted - 2008.08.28 11:27:00 -
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Edited by: Gabriel Darkefyre on 28/08/2008 11:34:59
Supported for many reasons.
1) FW is supposed to be a Stepping Stone towards 0.0 Operations for people fresh to PvP. Keeping the Alliances out doesn't make sense given that this is the goal. What you want is joint fleets with Alliance Members and Non-Alliance Members so that the Alliances can see first hand whether a Pilot or Corporation is skilled enough to join them (Player Skill Wise NOT Skill Points Wise)
2) The Stated RP reason for the Empires keeping the Alliances out of FW doesn't make sense either, do you really think that, for Example, the Amaar Empire would say No to a large group of Veteran Pilots (CVA) who turn up and say "We want to fight to help protect your interests" simply because they happen to be in a 0.0 Alliance? From a purely RP perspective it would be like them turning round and saying that the Ammatar Mandate can't fight alongside them.
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