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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.05.23 17:39:00 -
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Simple questions to CCP:
Is there a single material benefit gained by the player base through participation in faction warfare?
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Is it really just Counterstrike in space funded by our hard earned isk?
I think I've read all the documentation and I can't see anyting. And before anyone responds with it; I realize CCP says they intend to add more stuff later(tm), I'm asking about now.
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LED R0BSTER
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Posted - 2008.05.23 17:42:00 -
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NO. FW is omgwtfbbqweaksauce.
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.05.23 17:42:00 -
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You're at war with the opposing faction everywhere, not just the objective sites in Low Sec. A lot of people would see that as a major benefit, especially if they're in a corp that needs to train up newer players in easy to find PvP encounters.
Also, I believe there are material benefits for the faction who controls the strategic points at the objective sites.
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.05.23 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum
You're at war with the opposing faction everywhere, not just the objective sites in Low Sec. A lot of people would see that as a major benefit, especially if they're in a corp that needs to train up newer players in easy to find PvP encounters.
Also, I believe there are material benefits for the faction who controls the strategic points at the objective sites.
I just find it hard to believe that I'm supposed to take over a system and gain nothing for it. If there are benefits for those who control strategic points then that would be what I'm looking for, but it seems to me that at this point you kill or be killed, take over systems, and other then the name of your rank and the note indicating who owns a system; nothing changes.
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.05.23 17:52:00 -
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I thought there was going to be some kind of pseudo-sovereignty feature that would give corps and militias aligned with a faction certain bonuses in the Low Sec areas that the sovereignty is claimed for. I could be wrong though and just recounting something that people wished was added.
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Kiviar
Vice-Presidential Action Rangers
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Posted - 2008.05.23 17:56:00 -
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I beleived that in the live dev blog they listed the material rewards of FW would be, mission isk rewards, tags, LP items, and player loot.
I don't think ccp is intending fw to be a new isk/item faucet, so if that is what you are looking for, you probably will have to look elsewhere.
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.05.23 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kiviar
I beleived that in the live dev blog they listed the material rewards of FW would be, mission isk rewards, tags, LP items, and player loot.
I don't think ccp is intending fw to be a new isk/item faucet, so if that is what you are looking for, you probably will have to look elsewhere.
Will mission isk rewards and LP be in at release? If so then my question is answered. As Dirk said, I thought originally it was like mini-soveriegnty, but you wont be able to put up sovereignty mods, exclude other factions from your stations, etc, etc, etc.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.05.23 18:03:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 23/05/2008 18:03:53
Originally by: Haradgrim
Will mission isk rewards and LP be in at release?
Sounded like it to me.
But despite that doing almost anything else is likely more profitable than FW would be. I wouldn't be surprised if FW on balance is more of an ISK drain than faucet.
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Kiviar
Vice-Presidential Action Rangers
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Posted - 2008.05.23 18:03:00 -
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Well Militia agents(at least amarr ones) are on sisi right now, but the lp store is empty.
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Seigi Sakura
Pastry Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.05.23 18:08:00 -
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I remember in the audio blog the devs mentioning that they didn't want FW to be something you could only do occasionally because you were having to make money other ways to pay for ships, etc - they wanted you to be able to do FW and only FW if that's what you wanted.
So I would expect there to be suitable rewards for you actions.
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.05.23 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kiviar
Well Militia agents(at least amarr ones) are on sisi right now, but the lp store is empty.
The agents are there I know, but I understood (and I could be wrong) that there would be no rewards, at least for now; someone please correct me.
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Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.05.23 18:15:00 -
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Maybe the material benefit is intentionally kept low to not make FW a competing alternative to 0.0 warfare.
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KarGard
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2008.05.23 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Haradgrim
The agents are there I know, but I understood (and I could be wrong) that there would be no rewards, at least for now; someone please correct me.
You earn LP doing militia missions, so Its only a matter of time until lp items are added. They probably will be put in for this weekend's stres test.
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Feilamya
Pelennor Swarm
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Posted - 2008.05.23 18:24:00 -
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Of course there is material gain.
for miners, producers and traders 
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Tyrantus
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.23 18:29:00 -
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From what I've experienced so far on sisi is that FW will be a major isk sink. Missions send you 12~18 jumps into enemy territory for normal mission and lp rewards and those will be the standard low beggining value until people start running them. The only reward you get for scanning out faction combat sites is Victory points that go towards your rank, standing gains and tags. Thats it for material gains except for any jucy loot you can get off a player wreck. Basically when you need money you will have to go back to empire space and run normal missions.
FW is still going to be a total blast though. 
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.05.23 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Maybe the material benefit is intentionally kept low to not make FW a competing alternative to 0.0 warfare.
Its not like they are going to make rare tech 2 materials available through FW, 0.0 warfare will always have a place in EVE, even if 20% of the 0.0 players migrated to empire, there would still be more than enough 0.0 pilots to hold the territory and keep it interesting.
As far as them adding it "later" or "at some point," my response is: remember that this is FW we're talking about, don't forget how we got here, in CCP's own words, it was annouced when "Dinosaur's still roamed the Earth" so how long will it take to get content?
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Kehmor
PAK
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Posted - 2008.05.23 18:35:00 -
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Lewt?
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Violence isn't the answer, it is the question.
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Soporo
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Posted - 2008.05.23 18:35:00 -
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You can add to that the loss of Skilling time because only a fool, or rich guy would PvP with anything other than cheapies.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2008.05.23 18:36:00 -
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The most important question for me is what benefit owning a system actually has. If it has none and the frontline can't be pushed back beyond the designated contested areas, what's the point?
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Moridin
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.23 18:37:00 -
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loot
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.05.23 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
The most important question for me is what benefit owning a system actually has. If it has none and the frontline can't be pushed back beyond the designated contested areas, what's the point?
This is what I'm primarily asking btw, why spend effort capturing a system that does nothing for you?
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Brede Cleary
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.05.23 18:48:00 -
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Seems to me 0.0 will still be more fun than living in empire FW or no FW.  |
Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.23 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Haradgrim
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
You're at war with the opposing faction everywhere, not just the objective sites in Low Sec. A lot of people would see that as a major benefit, especially if they're in a corp that needs to train up newer players in easy to find PvP encounters.
Also, I believe there are material benefits for the faction who controls the strategic points at the objective sites.
I just find it hard to believe that I'm supposed to take over a system and gain nothing for it. If there are benefits for those who control strategic points then that would be what I'm looking for, but it seems to me that at this point you kill or be killed, take over systems, and other then the name of your rank and the note indicating who owns a system; nothing changes.
There are benefits to holding a system primarily in the form of access to FW missions (easy missions for lots of ISK/LP) and standings gains. Obviously that won't satisfy lots of people, but aside from that and quick and easy PvP, what would you want?
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.05.23 19:53:00 -
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There are new faction ships alledgedly only obtained through FW.
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.05.23 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: Haradgrim on 23/05/2008 20:20:50
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Haradgrim
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
You're at war with the opposing faction everywhere, not just the objective sites in Low Sec. A lot of people would see that as a major benefit, especially if they're in a corp that needs to train up newer players in easy to find PvP encounters.
Also, I believe there are material benefits for the faction who controls the strategic points at the objective sites.
I just find it hard to believe that I'm supposed to take over a system and gain nothing for it. If there are benefits for those who control strategic points then that would be what I'm looking for, but it seems to me that at this point you kill or be killed, take over systems, and other then the name of your rank and the note indicating who owns a system; nothing changes.
There are benefits to holding a system primarily in the form of access to FW missions (easy missions for lots of ISK/LP) and standings gains. Obviously that won't satisfy lots of people, but aside from that and quick and easy PvP, what would you want?
How about tiered access to items in an LP store that unlock as you gain ranks? And those items could be....maybe....faction items?
Originally by: Adonis 4174
There are new faction ships alledgedly only obtained through FW.
If this turns out to be true, I will STFU!
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2008.05.23 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Haradgrim
Originally by: Adonis 4174
There are new faction ships alledgedly only obtained through FW.
If this turns out to be true, I will STFU!
Yeah that'd about do it for me too. Actually I'd be taking part even without rewards but stuff like faction ships, lp stores and ranks are nice incentives to murder the caldari :).
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William Alex
Viscosity
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.05.23 20:33:00 -
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Remember that FW isn't supposed to be better than 0.0 pvp.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2008.05.23 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: William Alex
Remember that FW isn't supposed to be better than 0.0 pvp.
Bet it will be 
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William Alex
Viscosity
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.05.23 20:43:00 -
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Maybe in terms of fun, but not in isk I hope.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2008.05.23 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: William Alex
Maybe in terms of fun, but not in isk I hope.
I'm going to be using disposable gangs and I can't imagine many empire carebears using their faction fit BS to do the new missions in lowsec. It'll probably be a lot of cheap fits, not much good loot and the rewards appear to be mostly standings, ranks and such. Not that 0.0 pvp itself is profitable but I don't imagine FW will be too profitable unless you're a big pirate corp camping gates.
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