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MAXSuicide
The Ludovico Technique
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Posted - 2008.05.25 23:49:00 -
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Edited by: MAXSuicide on 25/05/2008 23:51:20
 Originally by: Riethe
When you guys are arguing with your girlfriends/wives, do you ever feel like you just made the most badass point ever, and then she just says something completely stupid ******** ridiculous and your point is wasted? And you're just like, "HUH WHAT?"
. . .
Is it just me, or are women really just quite bad at arguing? I feel like I'll be talking about something, or say something pretty good to back myself up, and then her response won't even be relevant.
Yea.. but then women never needed to be right.. to be right (in their minds anyway, they are always right and we are always wrong).
real pain in the ass when u think u have them locked down in an argument, no way out.. then they throw some stupid, irrelevant comment back in your face that just makes you sigh with despair..
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 24/05/2008 15:30:26
THE Rules
1. The female always makes the rules
2. The rules are subject to change at any time without prior notification.
3. No male can possibly know all the rules.
4. If the female suspects the MALE know all the rules, she must immediately change some or all of the rules.
5. The female is never wrong.
6. If the female is wrong, it is due to a misunderstanding which was a result of something the male did or said wrong.
7. The male must apologize immediately for causing said misunderstanding.
8. The female may change her mind at any time.
9. The male must never change his mind without the express written consent of the female.
10. The female has every right to be angry or upset at any time.
11. The male must remain calm at all times unless the female wants him to be angry or upset.
12. The female must, under no circumstances, let the male know whether or not she wants him to be angry and/or upset.
13. The male is expected to mind read at all times.
14. Any attempt to document the rules could result in bodily harm.
15. If the female has PMS, all the rules are null and void.
16. The female is ready when she is ready.
17. The male must be ready at all times.
18. The male who doesn't abide by the rules can't take the heat, lacks backbone, and is a wimp.
Nuff said (note #6 in particular).
So true.
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.05.26 00:11:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Riethe
When you guys are arguing with your girlfriends/wives, do you ever feel like you just made the most badass point ever, and then she just says something completely stupid ******** ridiculous and your point is wasted? And you're just like, "HUH WHAT?"
I've been with my current for awhile, and blocked out a lot of my past relationships so I don't really have a base of reference anymore.
Is it just me, or are women really just quite bad at arguing? I feel like I'll be talking about something, or say something pretty good to back myself up, and then her response won't even be relevant.
The thing is I can argue with a male friend and we can bullshot back and forth and no problem, it all makes sense, points are considered... it doesn't feel like bizzaro world.
Seriously. Come on. Anyone else?
Yes - I know that feeling. Eventually they do that long enough to the point where you actually believe they are right, and all your self confidence has been destroyed - this is when you are losing your mind.
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"All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu |
HankMurphy
Pelennor Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.26 00:23:00 -
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just remember:
she is always right, you are always wrong. let her win ad DO NOT make it too obvious. the only thing worse than arguing the logical side of the argument is blowing her off.
...unless your wallet is involved  . then man the turrets, batten down the hatches and show her who wears the pants!
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of all the things I've lost,
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.05.26 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: HankMurphy
just remember:
she is always right, you are always wrong. let her win ad DO NOT make it too obvious. the only thing worse than arguing the logical side of the argument is blowing her off.
...unless your wallet is involved . then man the turrets, batten down the hatches and show her who wears the pants!
Originally by: Amastat
Yes - I know that feeling. Eventually they do that long enough to the point where you actually believe they are right, and all your self confidence has been destroyed - this is when you are losing your mind.
*SIGH*
Look were we have gone *cry* we're all so worthless, it makes me hurt - really.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2008.05.26 05:55:00 -
[35]
OK.
Here's the scoop on men and women.
Men are achievement oriented.
Women are security oriented.
That doesn't mean that women don't have achievements and men security needs. It's just that the women's achievements tend to be things which enhance their sense of security while men's security needs tend to revolve around their ability to achieve.
Thus, a woman gets security out of owning stuff, jewels, fancy cars, houses, a big strong man to protect her from the saber tooth tiger coming in the cave, whatever.
A man gets his security from reminders of past accomplishment. This is the reason men are more sentimental than women.
To a woman her man's ratty old Letterman's Jacket is embarrassing. Having her man wearing a ratty old Letterman's jacket stands a good chance of lowering her social standing. A lowered social standing detracts from her security. After all, when the saber tooth tiger comes in the cave and there's a mad scramble to get to a safe place, it's the women with high social standing who will be protected the most. If you're ugly or people don't like you, they may leave you behind to be eaten.
To a man that ratty old Letterman's Jacket is a reminder the if he could accomplish hard things once he will be able to do it again.
The woman must feel that she is always in control. Since women are frequently out of control emotionally you end up with a good bit of denial here but being in control is a major part of her security. Thus, she must always be right. For the woman to not be right would bring her control of the situation (and her life) into question. Nothing is more sure to send a woman out of control then believing she has lost control, especially of those things which bring security to her life.
Here's an example of this security vs. achievement dynamic in action:
A man and a woman are sitting watching TV when they hear on the news that a mountain climber has died.
To the man it makes a difference whether or not the guy died on the way up or on the way down. If he died on the way up - he not only died - he was a failure. If he died on the way down, at least he accomplished his goal.
The couple hears that the man died on the way down and the man unwittingly sets the woman off by saying:
"Well, at least he accomplished his goal."
The woman responds incredulously:
"What difference does it make? He died!!!!"
To a man, some accomplishments are worth dying for, such as saving your family from the saber tooth tiger coming in the cave. To a woman, if she dies - then what was the point?
Women are utterly and completely selfish.
Now - they don't think so but here's the truth.
A woman will sacrifice herself but for which reasons?
1) To protect her children. But then a woman's children don't count. A woman's children are literally an extension of her own body. They grew in side her. They are not only her protection in old age but will be a part of her that is still living after she herself has passed on. Through her children a woman is immortal.
2) To help her mate. Now here - it may LOOK like she's helping him but she isn't. His entire reason for existence is to enhance her security. So, anything she does for him, she is really doing for herself. She wants her mate to be strong, handsome, socially well regarded and have a good job - as these are things that benefit her. She doesn't give a damn what benefits him but she will see that he is well fed, well dressed and working at as lucrative a profession as she can nag him into to enhance his ability to provide HER with security.
Thus, as a male, your best advice on dealing with women, is to keep them barefoot and pregnant. What ever you do - don't let them get the vote.
Oh ... oops. To late.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.05.26 06:15:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 26/05/2008 06:19:29
Originally by: Riethe
Is it just me, or are women really just quite bad at arguing?
you just made the most badass point ever, and then she just says something completely stupid ******** ridiculous and your point is wasted?
The thing is I can argue with a male friend and we can bullshot back and forth and no problem, it all makes sense, points are considered... it doesn't feel like bizzaro world.
Well, wouldn't that make them very good at "winning an argument" ?
Sure, they "cheat", by not following the rules of logic... but do they care ?
Nope. They won the argument by throwing you off-track 
The only way to win is either keep responding with logic, or throw in even more rediculous/irrelevant arguments to throw THEM off-balance for a change 
That, or the "yes, dear, whatever you say" repeated forever (in your most sarcastic tone, accompanied by eye-rolling and a very disgusted face) until they crack and run away sobbing "you're a bastard".
Seriously, if you can't beat them at your own game (which they won't follow the rules of anyway), why bother trying to play it ?
Play THEIR game, and play it better. Not like you can't do it 
P.S. As with the "iterated prisoner's dilemma", the winning strategy is almost always "tit for tat with forgiveness".
That means you respond in kind, and every once in a while you concede a few points.
Overall, that will give you the best possible rewards.
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Father Maynard
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Posted - 2008.05.26 07:48:00 -
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Edited by: Father Maynard on 26/05/2008 07:53:01
Edited by: Father Maynard on 26/05/2008 07:50:05
I've pretty much sworn off women all together. I've had way to many bad experiences with them to try and form a relationship with one. Since I'm not *** that means I'll be living by myself for the rest of my life. Considering the alternative, being miserable with someone you will inevitably hate, thats not so bad.
Makes me wonder. Women statistically live longer then men. The term "nagged to death" might be more a reality than people think.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.05.26 09:59:00 -
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me: ooohh wow is so shiny
her: your an ass
next day, (or was it the next monday)
her friend: wow these do look kinda stupid
me: I told you
whatever 
some girls I hung out with wanting to make some plastic jewelery to make their trip special.
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Kristiana Lee
Flying Fox Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.26 10:19:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Riethe
Originally by: Kristiana Lee
I hope you're not addressing this to me. That quote isn't in my response anywhere.
Yes this was to you. Clearly you are in fact, female.
Hurrrrrrrr
Get out.
Yes, clearly I am female and No, I won't get out.
You're ignorant attitude is shameful. I'm surprised you've even managed to get a girlfriend.
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Sqalevon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.05.26 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kristiana Lee
Originally by: Riethe
Originally by: Kristiana Lee
I hope you're not addressing this to me. That quote isn't in my response anywhere.
Yes this was to you. Clearly you are in fact, female.
Hurrrrrrrr
Get out.
Yes, clearly I am female and No, I won't get out.
You're ignorant attitude is shameful. I'm surprised you've even managed to get a girlfriend.
It's funny you say that. "ignorant attitude"
While the same can be said by what you said here :
Quote:
You're thinking "HUH, WHAT?" when what should happen is you SPEAK. For instance, "What are you trying to say, because I'm not understanding where you're coming from on that" might be a good idea. You're just thinking about your own side of the argument, without considering *snip*
Telling "you don't understand" only makes things worse, at least it has for me and, I'm assuming here, that counts for every male in this thread posting about their problems in discussions with their girlfriend.
And here we are, back at square one, with a woman telling a man how to have a discussion.
Then again, it can't be expected from you to know, how it feels to be a man, having a discussion with your girlfriend.
Given the fact that your Quote:
female
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.05.26 10:48:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Kristiana Lee
Edited by: Kristiana Lee on 26/05/2008 10:36:37
Originally by: Riethe
Originally by: Kristiana Lee
I hope you're not addressing this to me. That quote isn't in my response anywhere.
Yes this was to you. Clearly you are in fact, female.
Hurrrrrrrr
Get out.
Yes, clearly I am female and no, I won't get out. Nobody is on my side? Your point being?
In my opinion your ignorant attitude is shameful. I'm surprised you've even managed to get a girlfriend. She must be saint if she's putting up with the kind of behaviour you're demonstrating here, and I'm on the rough end of it only because I'm not validating your point.
and you made the mistake of taking a person on the internet seriously
emotions have a time and place, a logical argument is not that time or place
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Kristiana Lee
Flying Fox Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.26 11:08:00 -
[42]
and you made the mistake of taking a person on the internet seriously
emotions have a time and place, a logical argument is not that time or place
Yes, you're right, I did take it seriously. Mind you, we all are actually real so I can't blame myself for that. He sounded like he wanted help, but really he wanted a load of guys to come on and post about how right he is and how insane, illogical and unreasonable us 'women' are.
I got the impression he wasn't having a logical argument - well he might have been, but his girlfriend was clearly quite rattled and upset and not taking his points on board. I was interested as to why that was.
The truth is, I just get sick to my back teeth of seeing women slated Apparently there aren't that many of us on eve. I just felt I had to say something to balance the issue a bit. Maybe try and explain why she might have said something he felt was stupid, or nuts. But that suggestion fell on stony ground - in fact it resulted in a very rude, nasty response from the OP.
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GOUSGOUNIS THEOS
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Posted - 2008.05.26 11:27:00 -
[43]
Cant park
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Sqalevon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.05.26 11:36:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Kristiana Lee
He sounded like he wanted help, but really he wanted a load of guys to come on and post about how right he is and how insane, illogical and unreasonable us 'women' are.
Is quite an intresting conclusion considering:
Originally by: Riethe
When you guys are arguing with your girlfriends/wives, *snip*
Seriously. Come on. Anyone else?
Also:
Originally by: Kristiana Lee
*snip*
I just felt I had to say something
*snip*
Is something that has alarm bells going off in my head for obvious reasons.
Enough of that.
I think your argument would have been off to a better start if you awknowledged [sp] his point to some extent. Like you later confirmed with:
Originally by: Kristiana Lee
*snip*
eighteen years ago, to now. I couldn't switch it off even if I wanted to.
*snip*
Then again, who am I telling a women how to have a discussion.
The last thing I expect from a women is to throw me a bone in any shape of form, God knows my last girlfriend hasn't.
And believe me if I say, I used to hold women in high regard ( is that the actual phrase ? ) but my last relationship has been a rude awakening.
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Valan
The Fated
Odyssey.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
OK.
Here's the scoop on men and women.
Men are achievement oriented.
Women are security oriented.
Completely true.
Thats why blokes try to shag anything that moves and your girlfriend will dump you in a second if a millionaire shows her some interest.
/start sig
I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on.
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Kristiana Lee
Flying Fox Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.26 12:01:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Sqalevon
I think your argument would have been off to a better start if you awknowledged [sp] his point to some extent. Like you later confirmed with:
Originally by: Kristiana Lee
*snip*
eighteen years ago, to now. I couldn't switch it off even if I wanted to.
*snip*
Then again, who am I telling a women how to have a discussion.
The last thing I expect from a women is to throw me a bone in any shape of form, God knows my last girlfriend hasn't.
And believe me if I say, I used to hold women in high regard ( is that the actual phrase ? ) but my last relationship has been a rude awakening.
Yes, point taken - I could have worded it better. I'm grateful you took the time to explain your thoughts and will remember the points you raise. Its all a long slow learning curve really, isn't it.
I'm sorry that you've had a hard time in your last relationship. I hope you one day meet someone who will restore your faith in women. I think none of use get through life without having the world shattered by one thing or another. Sad but true. Sadder would be if you never again gave your love to someone because of it though.
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Sqalevon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.05.26 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kristiana Lee
Yes, point taken - I could have worded it better. I'm grateful you took the time to explain your thoughts and will remember the points you raise. Its all a long slow learning curve really, isn't it.
I'm sorry that you've had a hard time in your last relationship. I hope you one day meet someone who will restore your faith in women. I think none of use get through life without having the world shattered by one thing or another. Sad but true. Sadder would be if you never again gave your love to someone because of it though.
Yeah, I think it is ( long slow learning curve )
And don't worry about my previous relation :)
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Sqalevon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.05.26 12:56:00 -
[48]
Anyway, back on topic.
[rant] My ex texted me a month ago that she still was upset about me driving 3 hours straight, with her best girlfriend as a passenger. She said I should have let her girlfriend drive some of the way, and that it was irrisponsible.
What's wierd about is the following : we broke up almost a year ago, and that incident was over a year ago.
It was still bothering her and quoting her : "she felt like saying it"
I mean what the hell !?
I drive for hours at a time for my weekend job ( no I'm not a truck driver but I do simpathize with them ) and I sure as hell havent heard of a law that says you should drive for longer then 2 hours at a time.
What is the big ****ing deal.
So we had that discussion before and I told her she had a point, but should have trusted my judgement. Apparently she couldn't let it go.[/rant]
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Alassra Eventide
Veldspar Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.26 15:21:00 -
[49]
Sounds like she still wants you there.
Also, What's with the massive hate back and forth here? Jesus.
Extreme viewpoints are bad.
Yes, I'm a guy. Learn to deal with relationships in a way that don't constantly equate to "Me Tarzan, You Jane" or being completely *****-whipped. There is a large middle ground that is pretty easy and equitable to both parties, you know.
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Wrayeth
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.05.26 15:21:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 26/05/2008 15:31:25
Personally, I'm conflicted.
On the one hand, I want to have kids some day (not to mention getting laid frequently); this would require me to have a long-term relationship with a woman. EDIT: I'd also love to have someone who's always there for me and vice versa, but see below.
On the other hand, I've never been able to stand how controlling women are. They want to run your life for you in all aspects, and when you show any sign of indepentent thought/action they start spamming illogical arguments at you as if that somehow justifies the woman being an ass. Women say they enjoy compromise, but by "compromise" they mean that the man should bow down and obey them and pretend it was the man's own idea from the start.
For my part, I'm constitutionally incapable of knuckling under to anyone at that level. I simply cannot see how other men say they love their wives/girlfriends and that "she's the best thing that's ever happened to me; she's loving and supportive" when the evidence doesn't support that at all. In my experience, most women only love/support you when you're doing the things they tell you to do.
I've also noticed that the men who say they're the happiest with their relationship also complain about their wives/girlfriends the most on a guys' night out (which, of course has to be scheduled and approved with the wife/girlfriend in the first place).
EDIT: Another thing I've noticed is that men have limits on how far they will go and what they will do when disagreeing with someone. Call it rules of engagement for a relationship. In contrast, women...don't. They'll do or say anything to have their way or get revenge when they feel slighted. There have been a number of times at various jobs where I've overheard female coworkers saying something to the effect of, "He came home late again last night, so I set fire to his car."
Seriously.
-Wrayeth
n00b Extraordinaire
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Alassra Eventide
Veldspar Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.26 15:58:00 -
[51]
Gotta find a woman that doesn't fail at life man, that's all. Too many want their way, and only their way, and then you end up with that "Majorly vocal minority" thing in effect again.
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Riethe
Invictus Sovereignty
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Posted - 2008.05.26 16:21:00 -
[52]
stupid women crapping up my thread.
I recall asking you to leave. Know your limits, Kristiana Lee.
Can you believe we tolerate all this just so we have a warm place for our genitals once a week (maybe?)
Originally by: Akita T
Seriously, if you can't beat them at your own game (which they won't follow the rules of anyway), why bother trying to play it ?
Play THEIR game, and play it better. Not like you can't do it
Are you kidding me? Do this and you'll have a red hand print on your face or -1 girlfriend. They hate this. But they don't realize they do it every damn time something comes up.
I hate women. Especially that Kristina Lee.
She's doing that arguing thing IN my thread. The thing we're trying to figure out.
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Sqalevon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.05.26 16:54:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Riethe
*snip*
She's doing that arguing thing IN my thread. The thing we're trying to figure out.
I think we where actually making progress there, thank you very much.
Anyway
Originally by: Alassra Eventide
Sounds like she still wants you there.
Yes she was at some point.
But lets just say too much has happened between us, and an apology would be in place to even get a start at me getting some respect for her again.
Originally by: Alassra Eventide
Gotta find a woman that doesn't fail at life man, that's all.
Sounds easier than it is really.
Or maybe I'm blind and ignorant, wich sounds plausable.
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Alassra Eventide
Veldspar Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.26 17:40:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Sqalevon
Sounds easier than it is really.
Or maybe I'm blind and ignorant, wich sounds plausable.
Naw, you just need to move somewhere with better ladies :P
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2008.05.26 17:50:00 -
[55]
One of a female's greatest powers is to confuse by irrelevance.
I refuse to respect religious beliefs, and i refuse to respect people who hold them. |
Riethe
Invictus Sovereignty
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Posted - 2008.05.26 18:14:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Sqalevon
I think we where actually making progress there, thank you very much.
Are you kidding? Arguing with one insane female on the internet is making progress?
This your wife or something?
You get out too.
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Spaztick
Canadian Assault Network
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Posted - 2008.05.26 18:26:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Wrayeth
Edited by: Wrayeth on 26/05/2008 15:55:57
Edited by: Wrayeth on 26/05/2008 15:31:25
stuff
I can't answer for everyone, but the general thing that happens between most men and women are two things:
1) They get married/shack up together, whatever your views on morality or if you care or not or whatever, I don't wanna discuss that over the internet, but point is they get very close and spend a lot of time near each other. I mentioned it because it happens with marriage more than anything.
2) After marriage, the woman does quite suddenly change in attitude, behavior et cetera. Happens to men too but for women it is very noticeable very quickly. The change is they try to put their man on a leash, whether out of fear or want of control. It can be because she's a control freak, he has a dangerous occupation or there are things she doesn't like about him that she wants to change about him. This could go on or she could feel this way before marriage but it comes out after the honeymoon.
3) The guy will do two things, either he will submit to her and in 5-10 years the woman is going to wonder where all the passion and romance went in their marriage, or he won't stand it and he'll break up/divorce her and that will be the end of that.
Is there more to it? Yea; I know it's the internet and a lot of people try to sum up a lifetime of information between people in 3 paragraphs but I'm a little more refined than that. What happens above is only one side of a multi-sided coin and isn't entirely on point about arguments between couples. This was in response to Wrayeth's post.
Don't worry mate, you'll find the gal for you.
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Alassra Eventide
Veldspar Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.26 19:50:00 -
[58]
Make sure she's a fiend in bed and makes a good sandwich. It's important that she knows you like 'em hot, too. /end required chauvinism :P
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Deschenus Maximus
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.05.26 21:08:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Riethe
When you guys are arguing with your girlfriends/wives, do you ever feel like you just made the most badass point ever, and then she just says something completely stupid ******** ridiculous and your point is wasted? And you're just like, "HUH WHAT?"
I've been with my current for awhile, and blocked out a lot of my past relationships so I don't really have a base of reference anymore.
Is it just me, or are women really just quite bad at arguing? I feel like I'll be talking about something, or say something pretty good to back myself up, and then her response won't even be relevant.
The thing is I can argue with a male friend and we can bullshot back and forth and no problem, it all makes sense, points are considered... it doesn't feel like bizzaro world.
Seriously. Come on. Anyone else?
Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus. Read it.
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MataSanos
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Posted - 2008.05.26 21:15:00 -
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Edited by: MataSanos on 26/05/2008 21:15:54
solution : turn all g a y :P
at last on bed tu don't get so many excuses
seriously :
OP do u tested whit NLP methods ? or any PUA methods to lead your relations ?
edit: i cant believe the word g a y is censored LOL
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