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Riethe
Invictus Sovereignty
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Posted - 2008.05.24 04:14:00 -
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When you guys are arguing with your girlfriends/wives, do you ever feel like you just made the most badass point ever, and then she just says something completely stupid ******** ridiculous and your point is wasted? And you're just like, "HUH WHAT?"
I've been with my current for awhile, and blocked out a lot of my past relationships so I don't really have a base of reference anymore.
Is it just me, or are women really just quite bad at arguing? I feel like I'll be talking about something, or say something pretty good to back myself up, and then her response won't even be relevant.
The thing is I can argue with a male friend and we can bullshot back and forth and no problem, it all makes sense, points are considered... it doesn't feel like bizzaro world.
Seriously. Come on. Anyone else?
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Havok Dryke
Golden Gavel Enterprises
The Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.05.24 05:16:00 -
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Methinks you're violating rule #1 of relationships. Don't try to understand your woman. You'll fail. Always.
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Micheal Dietrich
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.05.24 07:05:00 -
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Dude, don't even bother trying. You can outskill in arguments all you want and it'll do you jack. Either you'll get illogical answers or even if your proven right it just makes them madder.
Arguments with girlfriends is a lose lose no matter what you do.
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Wrayeth
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.05.24 07:32:00 -
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In the immortal words of Al Bundy: "Women - can't live with 'em, can't kill 'em." 
-Wrayeth
n00b Extraordinaire
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Ch Tang
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Posted - 2008.05.24 07:34:00 -
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Some women live in a world that is their own reality and if anything doesn't fit into it, that anything doesn't exist.
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ReaperOfSly
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2008.05.24 08:37:00 -
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My last girlfriend was a fellow mathematician, so this tended not to happen given our mindsets. It was actually worse in some ways, because she'd often beat me fair and square in an argument. 
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Mark Lucius
Kinetic Vector
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.05.24 08:47:00 -
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Dude, in a relationship the woman is always right, even if she's wrong. There is no point argueing no matter how strong your argument is. Relax, play Eve and have another beer. 
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.05.24 09:05:00 -
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This must be your first GF... the rule is: It IS your fault 
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Valan
The Fated
Odyssey.
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Posted - 2008.05.24 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe
When you guys are arguing with your girlfriends/wives, do you ever feel like you just made the most badass point ever, and then she just says something completely stupid ******** ridiculous and your point is wasted? And you're just like, "HUH WHAT?"
I've been with my current for awhile, and blocked out a lot of my past relationships so I don't really have a base of reference anymore.
Is it just me, or are women really just quite bad at arguing? I feel like I'll be talking about something, or say something pretty good to back myself up, and then her response won't even be relevant.
The thing is I can argue with a male friend and we can bullshot back and forth and no problem, it all makes sense, points are considered... it doesn't feel like bizzaro world.
Seriously. Come on. Anyone else?
They never argue about whats bothering them so you can't win. Thats women 101.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.05.24 15:30:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 24/05/2008 15:30:26
THE Rules
1. The female always makes the rules
2. The rules are subject to change at any time without prior notification.
3. No male can possibly know all the rules.
4. If the female suspects the MALE know all the rules, she must immediately change some or all of the rules.
5. The female is never wrong.
6. If the female is wrong, it is due to a misunderstanding which was a result of something the male did or said wrong.
7. The male must apologize immediately for causing said misunderstanding.
8. The female may change her mind at any time.
9. The male must never change his mind without the express written consent of the female.
10. The female has every right to be angry or upset at any time.
11. The male must remain calm at all times unless the female wants him to be angry or upset.
12. The female must, under no circumstances, let the male know whether or not she wants him to be angry and/or upset.
13. The male is expected to mind read at all times.
14. Any attempt to document the rules could result in bodily harm.
15. If the female has PMS, all the rules are null and void.
16. The female is ready when she is ready.
17. The male must be ready at all times.
18. The male who doesn't abide by the rules can't take the heat, lacks backbone, and is a wimp.
Nuff said (note #6 in particular).
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The TX
Earth Inc.
Zeta Tau Epsilon
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Posted - 2008.05.24 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
In the immortal words of Al Bundy: "Women - can't live with 'em, can't kill 'em."
ROFL, I always used to watch Married With Children :-)
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Blane Xero
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.24 15:51:00 -
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In the words of chriss rock "Women aint gonna let a little thing like common sense **** up their arguement!"
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Krxon Blade
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Posted - 2008.05.24 18:38:00 -
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Edited by: Krxon Blade on 24/05/2008 18:38:15
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
18. The male who doesn't abide by the rules can't take the heat, lacks backbone, and is a wimp.
I would add 19th rule:
19. The male who manage to obey all the rules is also a wimp.
So, in both cases we're screwed.
All we got from relationships is "ISK" sink, occasional dip and potentially screaming monster every 9th month.
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Shirley Serious
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.24 18:41:00 -
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You're all wrong
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ReaperOfSly
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2008.05.24 18:51:00 -
[15]
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 24/05/2008 15:30:26
THE Rules
1. The female always makes the rules
2. The rules are subject to change at any time without prior notification.
3. No male can possibly know all the rules.
4. If the female suspects the MALE know all the rules, she must immediately change some or all of the rules.
5. The female is never wrong.
6. If the female is wrong, it is due to a misunderstanding which was a result of something the male did or said wrong.
7. The male must apologize immediately for causing said misunderstanding.
8. The female may change her mind at any time.
9. The male must never change his mind without the express written consent of the female.
10. The female has every right to be angry or upset at any time.
11. The male must remain calm at all times unless the female wants him to be angry or upset.
12. The female must, under no circumstances, let the male know whether or not she wants him to be angry and/or upset.
13. The male is expected to mind read at all times.
14. Any attempt to document the rules could result in bodily harm.
15. If the female has PMS, all the rules are null and void.
16. The female is ready when she is ready.
17. The male must be ready at all times.
18. The male who doesn't abide by the rules can't take the heat, lacks backbone, and is a wimp.
Nuff said (note #6 in particular).
Wrong. There aren't any rules. That would imply some sort of logical thinking
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Kravick Drasari
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Posted - 2008.05.24 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 24/05/2008 15:30:26
THE Rules
1. The female always makes the rules
2. The rules are subject to change at any time without prior notification.
3. No male can possibly know all the rules.
4. If the female suspects the MALE know all the rules, she must immediately change some or all of the rules.
5. The female is never wrong.
6. If the female is wrong, it is due to a misunderstanding which was a result of something the male did or said wrong.
7. The male must apologize immediately for causing said misunderstanding.
8. The female may change her mind at any time.
9. The male must never change his mind without the express written consent of the female.
10. The female has every right to be angry or upset at any time.
11. The male must remain calm at all times unless the female wants him to be angry or upset.
12. The female must, under no circumstances, let the male know whether or not she wants him to be angry and/or upset.
13. The male is expected to mind read at all times.
14. Any attempt to document the rules could result in bodily harm.
15. If the female has PMS, all the rules are null and void.
16. The female is ready when she is ready.
17. The male must be ready at all times.
18. The male who doesn't abide by the rules can't take the heat, lacks backbone, and is a wimp.
Nuff said (note #6 in particular).
This is why I dumped my last girl friend. She literally handed me a print out of some rules she found on the internet, which where very similar to these rules, and actually expected me to follow them. No, I'm not joking and she was serious. I dropped her like a rock on the spot.
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DubanFP
Four Rings
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.05.24 20:33:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 24/05/2008 20:36:23
Originally by: Krxon Blade
Edited by: Krxon Blade on 24/05/2008 18:38:15
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
18. The male who doesn't abide by the rules can't take the heat, lacks backbone, and is a wimp.
I would add 19th rule:
19. The male who manage to obey all the rules is also a wimp.
So, in both cases we're screwed.
All we got from relationships is "ISK" sink, occasional dip and potentially screaming monster every 9th month.
and 20 should be
20. Should multiple males fail to see the logic of said female the logic may in no way be deemed wrong. All the involved males shall.
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Kristiana Lee
Flying Fox Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.24 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe
When you guys are arguing with your girlfriends/wives, do you ever feel like you just made the most badass point ever, and then she just says something completely stupid ******** ridiculous and your point is wasted? And you're just like, "HUH WHAT?"
I've been with my current for awhile, and blocked out a lot of my past relationships so I don't really have a base of reference anymore.
Is it just me, or are women really just quite bad at arguing? I feel like I'll be talking about something, or say something pretty good to back myself up, and then her response won't even be relevant.
The thing is I can argue with a male friend and we can bullshot back and forth and no problem, it all makes sense, points are considered... it doesn't feel like bizzaro world.
Seriously. Come on. Anyone else?
You're thinking "HUH, WHAT?" when what should happen is you SPEAK. For instance, "What are you trying to say, because I'm not understanding where you're coming from on that" might be a good idea. You're just thinking about your own side of the argument, without considering what she's (or sometimes he) is trying to tell you, or whether she's (or he) is feeling an emotional response to something you previously said.
Some people, men and women, respond from an emotional base first, then once they've calmed down a bit, because they've been given the space and time to do so, begin to get their head together and are able to respond in a much more reasoned way.
Also, I think its really unfair to make such a sweeping statement about women. I've had plenty of arguments with people, men and women, where you feel you're butting your head against a brick wall because they're so caught up in their own side of the arguement they're incapable of listening to you or understanding that something they just said has poleaxed you into such an angry/upset place you're now responding from the gut instead of the head.
If that happens I wait a day or so when people have time to think about things then pick it up again, especially if its important.
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Kravick Drasari
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Posted - 2008.05.24 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kristiana Lee
Originally by: Riethe
When you guys are arguing with your girlfriends/wives, do you ever feel like you just made the most badass point ever, and then she just says something completely stupid ******** ridiculous and your point is wasted? And you're just like, "HUH WHAT?"
I've been with my current for awhile, and blocked out a lot of my past relationships so I don't really have a base of reference anymore.
Is it just me, or are women really just quite bad at arguing? I feel like I'll be talking about something, or say something pretty good to back myself up, and then her response won't even be relevant.
The thing is I can argue with a male friend and we can bullshot back and forth and no problem, it all makes sense, points are considered... it doesn't feel like bizzaro world.
Seriously. Come on. Anyone else?
You're thinking "HUH, WHAT?" when what should happen is you SPEAK. For instance, "What are you trying to say, because I'm not understanding where you're coming from on that" might be a good idea. You're just thinking about your own side of the argument, without considering what she's (or sometimes he) is trying to tell you, or whether she's (or he) is feeling an emotional response to something you previously said.
Some people, men and women, respond from an emotional base first, then once they've calmed down a bit, because they've been given the space and time to do so, begin to get their head together and are able to respond in a much more reasoned way.
Also, I think its really unfair to make such a sweeping statement about women. I've had plenty of arguments with people, men and women, where you feel you're butting your head against a brick wall because they're so caught up in their own side of the arguement they're incapable of listening to you or understanding that something they just said has poleaxed you into such an angry/upset place you're now responding from the gut instead of the head.
If that happens I wait a day or so when people have time to think about things then pick it up again, especially if its important.
Yeah, you have no idea. Women must really not know what they do to men.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kristiana Lee
Also, I think its really unfair to make such a sweeping statement about women. I've had plenty of arguments with people, men and women, where you feel you're butting your head against a brick wall because they're so caught up in their own side of the arguement they're incapable of listening to you or understanding that something they just said has poleaxed you into such an angry/upset place you're now responding from the gut instead of the head.
Thing is most guys when in such an argument pretty much know they are being a pain in the arse and intentionally obtuse (exception are bible thumpers...there is just no talking with them whether male or female).
My personal, armchair psychologist, totally not backed up by any scientific theory or study whatsoever is men think in a linear fashion while women think in a circular fashion.
So, to a male,If A Then B and Then C. They follow in rational order and makes sense.
To a female If A and considering 2, @ & Q and what happened two years ago in a wholly unrelated incident you get G which has bearing on A.
Note I will say circular and linear logic can each have their good points. Just the two are oil and water so men and women never figure each other out. Particularly men cannot follow women. Women can get the "If A then B" part but they find that far too simplistic and are puzzled that the guy cannot follow their circuitous thought processes (which, frankly to a male, seem just shy of being actually insane).
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Irish Whiskey
Corp 1 Allstars
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.25 00:30:00 -
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For reasons that escape logic, women blame men, any man will suffice, for the pain they felt giving birth and, by God, it is their sworn duty as Sisters of the Flesh to make him pay.
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2008.05.25 01:34:00 -
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Oh, women.
From my experience, just don't argue with them. Tell her that you disagree or that she is flat-out wrong, tell them why, then stop paying attention to her. They really hate it when you do that.
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Rawr Cristina
Naqam
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.25 04:11:00 -
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Originally by: Shirley Serious
You're all wrong
this
even you!
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Riethe
Invictus Sovereignty
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Posted - 2008.05.25 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kristiana Lee
Ignorance and way too much text
Seriously you're not doing yourself any good here.
There's still a problem. No one is on your side right now.
This thread isn't for you.
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Kristiana Lee
Flying Fox Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.25 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe
Originally by: Kristiana Lee
Ignorance and way too much text
Seriously you're not doing yourself any good here.
There's still a problem. No one is on your side right now.
This thread isn't for you.
I hope you're not addressing this to me. That quote isn't in my response anywhere.
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Kristiana Lee
Flying Fox Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.25 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Thing is most guys when in such an argument pretty much know they are being a pain in the arse and intentionally obtuse (exception are bible thumpers...there is just no talking with them whether male or female).
My personal, armchair psychologist, totally not backed up by any scientific theory or study whatsoever is men think in a linear fashion while women think in a circular fashion.
So, to a male,If A Then B and Then C. They follow in rational order and makes sense.
To a female If A and considering 2, @ & Q and what happened two years ago in a wholly unrelated incident you get G which has bearing on A.
Note I will say circular and linear logic can each have their good points. Just the two are oil and water so men and women never figure each other out. Particularly men cannot follow women. Women can get the "If A then B" part but they find that far too simplistic and are puzzled that the guy cannot follow their circuitous thought processes (which, frankly to a male, seem just shy of being actually insane).
Agreed. My word, you nailed the point with that "what happened two years ago" comment. I can't speak for every woman, but I definitely do not live 'in the day' where my relationship is concerned. Its the whole deal from the start eighteen years ago, to now. I couldn't switch it off even if I wanted to.
I wonder what the OP was arguing about and I wonder what caused his girlfriend to freak
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Sqalevon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe
When you guys are arguing with your girlfriends/wives, do you ever feel like you just made the most badass point ever, and then she just says something completely stupid ******** ridiculous and your point is wasted? And you're just like, "HUH WHAT?"
I've been with my current for awhile, and blocked out a lot of my past relationships so I don't really have a base of reference anymore.
Is it just me, or are women really just quite bad at arguing? I feel like I'll be talking about something, or say something pretty good to back myself up, and then her response won't even be relevant.
The thing is I can argue with a male friend and we can bullshot back and forth and no problem, it all makes sense, points are considered... it doesn't feel like bizzaro world.
Seriously. Come on. Anyone else?
Sounds very familiar.
But it gets even better when it's breakup time and they didn't see it comming while you've been dropping hints for quite a bit.
Once send This to her as a final " take a hint " thingy " 
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Benco97
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:47:00 -
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Women are crazy, that's pretty much all you need to know. Every single one, completely loony.
They take things so far out of context it's frankly amazing.
You could just do what I do in regards to relationships with women, if you're having that much trouble.
Originally by: P'uck
You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
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kessah
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:56:00 -
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lol this explains alot, btw the f word is in the image.
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Riethe
Invictus Sovereignty
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Posted - 2008.05.25 23:24:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Kristiana Lee
I hope you're not addressing this to me. That quote isn't in my response anywhere.
Yes this was to you. Clearly you are in fact, female.
Hurrrrrrrr
Get out.
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MAXSuicide
The Ludovico Technique
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Posted - 2008.05.25 23:49:00 -
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Edited by: MAXSuicide on 25/05/2008 23:51:20
Originally by: Riethe
When you guys are arguing with your girlfriends/wives, do you ever feel like you just made the most badass point ever, and then she just says something completely stupid ******** ridiculous and your point is wasted? And you're just like, "HUH WHAT?"
. . .
Is it just me, or are women really just quite bad at arguing? I feel like I'll be talking about something, or say something pretty good to back myself up, and then her response won't even be relevant.
Yea.. but then women never needed to be right.. to be right (in their minds anyway, they are always right and we are always wrong).
real pain in the ass when u think u have them locked down in an argument, no way out.. then they throw some stupid, irrelevant comment back in your face that just makes you sigh with despair..
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 24/05/2008 15:30:26
THE Rules
1. The female always makes the rules
2. The rules are subject to change at any time without prior notification.
3. No male can possibly know all the rules.
4. If the female suspects the MALE know all the rules, she must immediately change some or all of the rules.
5. The female is never wrong.
6. If the female is wrong, it is due to a misunderstanding which was a result of something the male did or said wrong.
7. The male must apologize immediately for causing said misunderstanding.
8. The female may change her mind at any time.
9. The male must never change his mind without the express written consent of the female.
10. The female has every right to be angry or upset at any time.
11. The male must remain calm at all times unless the female wants him to be angry or upset.
12. The female must, under no circumstances, let the male know whether or not she wants him to be angry and/or upset.
13. The male is expected to mind read at all times.
14. Any attempt to document the rules could result in bodily harm.
15. If the female has PMS, all the rules are null and void.
16. The female is ready when she is ready.
17. The male must be ready at all times.
18. The male who doesn't abide by the rules can't take the heat, lacks backbone, and is a wimp.
Nuff said (note #6 in particular).
So true.
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.05.26 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe
When you guys are arguing with your girlfriends/wives, do you ever feel like you just made the most badass point ever, and then she just says something completely stupid ******** ridiculous and your point is wasted? And you're just like, "HUH WHAT?"
I've been with my current for awhile, and blocked out a lot of my past relationships so I don't really have a base of reference anymore.
Is it just me, or are women really just quite bad at arguing? I feel like I'll be talking about something, or say something pretty good to back myself up, and then her response won't even be relevant.
The thing is I can argue with a male friend and we can bullshot back and forth and no problem, it all makes sense, points are considered... it doesn't feel like bizzaro world.
Seriously. Come on. Anyone else?
Yes - I know that feeling. Eventually they do that long enough to the point where you actually believe they are right, and all your self confidence has been destroyed - this is when you are losing your mind.
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Pelennor Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.26 00:23:00 -
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just remember:
she is always right, you are always wrong. let her win ad DO NOT make it too obvious. the only thing worse than arguing the logical side of the argument is blowing her off.
...unless your wallet is involved  . then man the turrets, batten down the hatches and show her who wears the pants!
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.05.26 00:24:00 -
[34]
Originally by: HankMurphy
just remember:
she is always right, you are always wrong. let her win ad DO NOT make it too obvious. the only thing worse than arguing the logical side of the argument is blowing her off.
...unless your wallet is involved . then man the turrets, batten down the hatches and show her who wears the pants!
Originally by: Amastat
Yes - I know that feeling. Eventually they do that long enough to the point where you actually believe they are right, and all your self confidence has been destroyed - this is when you are losing your mind.
*SIGH*
Look were we have gone *cry* we're all so worthless, it makes me hurt - really.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2008.05.26 05:55:00 -
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OK.
Here's the scoop on men and women.
Men are achievement oriented.
Women are security oriented.
That doesn't mean that women don't have achievements and men security needs. It's just that the women's achievements tend to be things which enhance their sense of security while men's security needs tend to revolve around their ability to achieve.
Thus, a woman gets security out of owning stuff, jewels, fancy cars, houses, a big strong man to protect her from the saber tooth tiger coming in the cave, whatever.
A man gets his security from reminders of past accomplishment. This is the reason men are more sentimental than women.
To a woman her man's ratty old Letterman's Jacket is embarrassing. Having her man wearing a ratty old Letterman's jacket stands a good chance of lowering her social standing. A lowered social standing detracts from her security. After all, when the saber tooth tiger comes in the cave and there's a mad scramble to get to a safe place, it's the women with high social standing who will be protected the most. If you're ugly or people don't like you, they may leave you behind to be eaten.
To a man that ratty old Letterman's Jacket is a reminder the if he could accomplish hard things once he will be able to do it again.
The woman must feel that she is always in control. Since women are frequently out of control emotionally you end up with a good bit of denial here but being in control is a major part of her security. Thus, she must always be right. For the woman to not be right would bring her control of the situation (and her life) into question. Nothing is more sure to send a woman out of control then believing she has lost control, especially of those things which bring security to her life.
Here's an example of this security vs. achievement dynamic in action:
A man and a woman are sitting watching TV when they hear on the news that a mountain climber has died.
To the man it makes a difference whether or not the guy died on the way up or on the way down. If he died on the way up - he not only died - he was a failure. If he died on the way down, at least he accomplished his goal.
The couple hears that the man died on the way down and the man unwittingly sets the woman off by saying:
"Well, at least he accomplished his goal."
The woman responds incredulously:
"What difference does it make? He died!!!!"
To a man, some accomplishments are worth dying for, such as saving your family from the saber tooth tiger coming in the cave. To a woman, if she dies - then what was the point?
Women are utterly and completely selfish.
Now - they don't think so but here's the truth.
A woman will sacrifice herself but for which reasons?
1) To protect her children. But then a woman's children don't count. A woman's children are literally an extension of her own body. They grew in side her. They are not only her protection in old age but will be a part of her that is still living after she herself has passed on. Through her children a woman is immortal.
2) To help her mate. Now here - it may LOOK like she's helping him but she isn't. His entire reason for existence is to enhance her security. So, anything she does for him, she is really doing for herself. She wants her mate to be strong, handsome, socially well regarded and have a good job - as these are things that benefit her. She doesn't give a damn what benefits him but she will see that he is well fed, well dressed and working at as lucrative a profession as she can nag him into to enhance his ability to provide HER with security.
Thus, as a male, your best advice on dealing with women, is to keep them barefoot and pregnant. What ever you do - don't let them get the vote.
Oh ... oops. To late.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.05.26 06:15:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Akita T on 26/05/2008 06:19:29
Originally by: Riethe
Is it just me, or are women really just quite bad at arguing?
you just made the most badass point ever, and then she just says something completely stupid ******** ridiculous and your point is wasted?
The thing is I can argue with a male friend and we can bullshot back and forth and no problem, it all makes sense, points are considered... it doesn't feel like bizzaro world.
Well, wouldn't that make them very good at "winning an argument" ?
Sure, they "cheat", by not following the rules of logic... but do they care ?
Nope. They won the argument by throwing you off-track
The only way to win is either keep responding with logic, or throw in even more rediculous/irrelevant arguments to throw THEM off-balance for a change 
That, or the "yes, dear, whatever you say" repeated forever (in your most sarcastic tone, accompanied by eye-rolling and a very disgusted face) until they crack and run away sobbing "you're a bastard".
Seriously, if you can't beat them at your own game (which they won't follow the rules of anyway), why bother trying to play it ?
Play THEIR game, and play it better. Not like you can't do it
P.S. As with the "iterated prisoner's dilemma", the winning strategy is almost always "tit for tat with forgiveness".
That means you respond in kind, and every once in a while you concede a few points.
Overall, that will give you the best possible rewards.
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Father Maynard
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Posted - 2008.05.26 07:48:00 -
[37]
Edited by: Father Maynard on 26/05/2008 07:53:01
Edited by: Father Maynard on 26/05/2008 07:50:05
I've pretty much sworn off women all together. I've had way to many bad experiences with them to try and form a relationship with one. Since I'm not *** that means I'll be living by myself for the rest of my life. Considering the alternative, being miserable with someone you will inevitably hate, thats not so bad.
Makes me wonder. Women statistically live longer then men. The term "nagged to death" might be more a reality than people think.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.05.26 09:59:00 -
[38]
me: ooohh wow is so shiny
her: your an ass
next day, (or was it the next monday)
her friend: wow these do look kinda stupid
me: I told you
whatever 
some girls I hung out with wanting to make some plastic jewelery to make their trip special.
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Kristiana Lee
Flying Fox Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.26 10:19:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Riethe
Originally by: Kristiana Lee
I hope you're not addressing this to me. That quote isn't in my response anywhere.
Yes this was to you. Clearly you are in fact, female.
Hurrrrrrrr
Get out.
Yes, clearly I am female and No, I won't get out.
You're ignorant attitude is shameful. I'm surprised you've even managed to get a girlfriend.
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Sqalevon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.05.26 10:43:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Kristiana Lee
Originally by: Riethe
Originally by: Kristiana Lee
I hope you're not addressing this to me. That quote isn't in my response anywhere.
Yes this was to you. Clearly you are in fact, female.
Hurrrrrrrr
Get out.
Yes, clearly I am female and No, I won't get out.
You're ignorant attitude is shameful. I'm surprised you've even managed to get a girlfriend.
It's funny you say that. "ignorant attitude"
While the same can be said by what you said here :
Quote:
You're thinking "HUH, WHAT?" when what should happen is you SPEAK. For instance, "What are you trying to say, because I'm not understanding where you're coming from on that" might be a good idea. You're just thinking about your own side of the argument, without considering *snip*
Telling "you don't understand" only makes things worse, at least it has for me and, I'm assuming here, that counts for every male in this thread posting about their problems in discussions with their girlfriend.
And here we are, back at square one, with a woman telling a man how to have a discussion.
Then again, it can't be expected from you to know, how it feels to be a man, having a discussion with your girlfriend.
Given the fact that your Quote:
female
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.05.26 10:48:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Kristiana Lee
Edited by: Kristiana Lee on 26/05/2008 10:36:37
Originally by: Riethe
Originally by: Kristiana Lee
I hope you're not addressing this to me. That quote isn't in my response anywhere.
Yes this was to you. Clearly you are in fact, female.
Hurrrrrrrr
Get out.
Yes, clearly I am female and no, I won't get out. Nobody is on my side? Your point being?
In my opinion your ignorant attitude is shameful. I'm surprised you've even managed to get a girlfriend. She must be saint if she's putting up with the kind of behaviour you're demonstrating here, and I'm on the rough end of it only because I'm not validating your point.
and you made the mistake of taking a person on the internet seriously
emotions have a time and place, a logical argument is not that time or place
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Kristiana Lee
Flying Fox Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.26 11:08:00 -
[42]
and you made the mistake of taking a person on the internet seriously
emotions have a time and place, a logical argument is not that time or place
Yes, you're right, I did take it seriously. Mind you, we all are actually real so I can't blame myself for that. He sounded like he wanted help, but really he wanted a load of guys to come on and post about how right he is and how insane, illogical and unreasonable us 'women' are.
I got the impression he wasn't having a logical argument - well he might have been, but his girlfriend was clearly quite rattled and upset and not taking his points on board. I was interested as to why that was.
The truth is, I just get sick to my back teeth of seeing women slated Apparently there aren't that many of us on eve. I just felt I had to say something to balance the issue a bit. Maybe try and explain why she might have said something he felt was stupid, or nuts. But that suggestion fell on stony ground - in fact it resulted in a very rude, nasty response from the OP.
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GOUSGOUNIS THEOS
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Posted - 2008.05.26 11:27:00 -
[43]
Cant park
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Sqalevon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.05.26 11:36:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Kristiana Lee
He sounded like he wanted help, but really he wanted a load of guys to come on and post about how right he is and how insane, illogical and unreasonable us 'women' are.
Is quite an intresting conclusion considering:
Originally by: Riethe
When you guys are arguing with your girlfriends/wives, *snip*
Seriously. Come on. Anyone else?
Also:
Originally by: Kristiana Lee
*snip*
I just felt I had to say something
*snip*
Is something that has alarm bells going off in my head for obvious reasons.
Enough of that.
I think your argument would have been off to a better start if you awknowledged [sp] his point to some extent. Like you later confirmed with:
Originally by: Kristiana Lee
*snip*
eighteen years ago, to now. I couldn't switch it off even if I wanted to.
*snip*
Then again, who am I telling a women how to have a discussion.
The last thing I expect from a women is to throw me a bone in any shape of form, God knows my last girlfriend hasn't.
And believe me if I say, I used to hold women in high regard ( is that the actual phrase ? ) but my last relationship has been a rude awakening.
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Valan
The Fated
Odyssey.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 11:37:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
OK.
Here's the scoop on men and women.
Men are achievement oriented.
Women are security oriented.
Completely true.
Thats why blokes try to shag anything that moves and your girlfriend will dump you in a second if a millionaire shows her some interest.
/start sig
I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on.
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Kristiana Lee
Flying Fox Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.26 12:01:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Sqalevon
I think your argument would have been off to a better start if you awknowledged [sp] his point to some extent. Like you later confirmed with:
Originally by: Kristiana Lee
*snip*
eighteen years ago, to now. I couldn't switch it off even if I wanted to.
*snip*
Then again, who am I telling a women how to have a discussion.
The last thing I expect from a women is to throw me a bone in any shape of form, God knows my last girlfriend hasn't.
And believe me if I say, I used to hold women in high regard ( is that the actual phrase ? ) but my last relationship has been a rude awakening.
Yes, point taken - I could have worded it better. I'm grateful you took the time to explain your thoughts and will remember the points you raise. Its all a long slow learning curve really, isn't it.
I'm sorry that you've had a hard time in your last relationship. I hope you one day meet someone who will restore your faith in women. I think none of use get through life without having the world shattered by one thing or another. Sad but true. Sadder would be if you never again gave your love to someone because of it though.
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Sqalevon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.05.26 12:21:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Kristiana Lee
Yes, point taken - I could have worded it better. I'm grateful you took the time to explain your thoughts and will remember the points you raise. Its all a long slow learning curve really, isn't it.
I'm sorry that you've had a hard time in your last relationship. I hope you one day meet someone who will restore your faith in women. I think none of use get through life without having the world shattered by one thing or another. Sad but true. Sadder would be if you never again gave your love to someone because of it though.
Yeah, I think it is ( long slow learning curve )
And don't worry about my previous relation :)
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Sqalevon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.05.26 12:56:00 -
[48]
Anyway, back on topic.
[rant] My ex texted me a month ago that she still was upset about me driving 3 hours straight, with her best girlfriend as a passenger. She said I should have let her girlfriend drive some of the way, and that it was irrisponsible.
What's wierd about is the following : we broke up almost a year ago, and that incident was over a year ago.
It was still bothering her and quoting her : "she felt like saying it"
I mean what the hell !?
I drive for hours at a time for my weekend job ( no I'm not a truck driver but I do simpathize with them ) and I sure as hell havent heard of a law that says you should drive for longer then 2 hours at a time.
What is the big ****ing deal.
So we had that discussion before and I told her she had a point, but should have trusted my judgement. Apparently she couldn't let it go.[/rant]
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Alassra Eventide
Veldspar Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.26 15:21:00 -
[49]
Sounds like she still wants you there.
Also, What's with the massive hate back and forth here? Jesus.
Extreme viewpoints are bad.
Yes, I'm a guy. Learn to deal with relationships in a way that don't constantly equate to "Me Tarzan, You Jane" or being completely *****-whipped. There is a large middle ground that is pretty easy and equitable to both parties, you know.
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Wrayeth
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.05.26 15:21:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Wrayeth on 26/05/2008 15:31:25
Personally, I'm conflicted.
On the one hand, I want to have kids some day (not to mention getting laid frequently); this would require me to have a long-term relationship with a woman. EDIT: I'd also love to have someone who's always there for me and vice versa, but see below.
On the other hand, I've never been able to stand how controlling women are. They want to run your life for you in all aspects, and when you show any sign of indepentent thought/action they start spamming illogical arguments at you as if that somehow justifies the woman being an ass. Women say they enjoy compromise, but by "compromise" they mean that the man should bow down and obey them and pretend it was the man's own idea from the start.
For my part, I'm constitutionally incapable of knuckling under to anyone at that level. I simply cannot see how other men say they love their wives/girlfriends and that "she's the best thing that's ever happened to me; she's loving and supportive" when the evidence doesn't support that at all. In my experience, most women only love/support you when you're doing the things they tell you to do.
I've also noticed that the men who say they're the happiest with their relationship also complain about their wives/girlfriends the most on a guys' night out (which, of course has to be scheduled and approved with the wife/girlfriend in the first place).
EDIT: Another thing I've noticed is that men have limits on how far they will go and what they will do when disagreeing with someone. Call it rules of engagement for a relationship. In contrast, women...don't. They'll do or say anything to have their way or get revenge when they feel slighted. There have been a number of times at various jobs where I've overheard female coworkers saying something to the effect of, "He came home late again last night, so I set fire to his car."
Seriously.
-Wrayeth
n00b Extraordinaire
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Alassra Eventide
Veldspar Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.26 15:58:00 -
[51]
Gotta find a woman that doesn't fail at life man, that's all. Too many want their way, and only their way, and then you end up with that "Majorly vocal minority" thing in effect again.
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Riethe
Invictus Sovereignty
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Posted - 2008.05.26 16:21:00 -
[52]
stupid women crapping up my thread.
I recall asking you to leave. Know your limits, Kristiana Lee.
Can you believe we tolerate all this just so we have a warm place for our genitals once a week (maybe?)
Originally by: Akita T
Seriously, if you can't beat them at your own game (which they won't follow the rules of anyway), why bother trying to play it ?
Play THEIR game, and play it better. Not like you can't do it
Are you kidding me? Do this and you'll have a red hand print on your face or -1 girlfriend. They hate this. But they don't realize they do it every damn time something comes up.
I hate women. Especially that Kristina Lee.
She's doing that arguing thing IN my thread. The thing we're trying to figure out.
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Sqalevon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.05.26 16:54:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Riethe
*snip*
She's doing that arguing thing IN my thread. The thing we're trying to figure out.
I think we where actually making progress there, thank you very much.
Anyway
Originally by: Alassra Eventide
Sounds like she still wants you there.
Yes she was at some point.
But lets just say too much has happened between us, and an apology would be in place to even get a start at me getting some respect for her again.
Originally by: Alassra Eventide
Gotta find a woman that doesn't fail at life man, that's all.
Sounds easier than it is really.
Or maybe I'm blind and ignorant, wich sounds plausable.
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Alassra Eventide
Veldspar Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.26 17:40:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Sqalevon
Sounds easier than it is really.
Or maybe I'm blind and ignorant, wich sounds plausable.
Naw, you just need to move somewhere with better ladies :P
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2008.05.26 17:50:00 -
[55]
One of a female's greatest powers is to confuse by irrelevance.
I refuse to respect religious beliefs, and i refuse to respect people who hold them. |
Riethe
Invictus Sovereignty
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Posted - 2008.05.26 18:14:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Sqalevon
I think we where actually making progress there, thank you very much.
Are you kidding? Arguing with one insane female on the internet is making progress?
This your wife or something?
You get out too.
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Spaztick
Canadian Assault Network
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Posted - 2008.05.26 18:26:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Wrayeth
Edited by: Wrayeth on 26/05/2008 15:55:57
Edited by: Wrayeth on 26/05/2008 15:31:25
stuff
I can't answer for everyone, but the general thing that happens between most men and women are two things:
1) They get married/shack up together, whatever your views on morality or if you care or not or whatever, I don't wanna discuss that over the internet, but point is they get very close and spend a lot of time near each other. I mentioned it because it happens with marriage more than anything.
2) After marriage, the woman does quite suddenly change in attitude, behavior et cetera. Happens to men too but for women it is very noticeable very quickly. The change is they try to put their man on a leash, whether out of fear or want of control. It can be because she's a control freak, he has a dangerous occupation or there are things she doesn't like about him that she wants to change about him. This could go on or she could feel this way before marriage but it comes out after the honeymoon.
3) The guy will do two things, either he will submit to her and in 5-10 years the woman is going to wonder where all the passion and romance went in their marriage, or he won't stand it and he'll break up/divorce her and that will be the end of that.
Is there more to it? Yea; I know it's the internet and a lot of people try to sum up a lifetime of information between people in 3 paragraphs but I'm a little more refined than that. What happens above is only one side of a multi-sided coin and isn't entirely on point about arguments between couples. This was in response to Wrayeth's post.
Don't worry mate, you'll find the gal for you.
But seriously, more people should have some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post. |
Alassra Eventide
Veldspar Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.26 19:50:00 -
[58]
Make sure she's a fiend in bed and makes a good sandwich. It's important that she knows you like 'em hot, too. /end required chauvinism :P
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Deschenus Maximus
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.05.26 21:08:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Riethe
When you guys are arguing with your girlfriends/wives, do you ever feel like you just made the most badass point ever, and then she just says something completely stupid ******** ridiculous and your point is wasted? And you're just like, "HUH WHAT?"
I've been with my current for awhile, and blocked out a lot of my past relationships so I don't really have a base of reference anymore.
Is it just me, or are women really just quite bad at arguing? I feel like I'll be talking about something, or say something pretty good to back myself up, and then her response won't even be relevant.
The thing is I can argue with a male friend and we can bullshot back and forth and no problem, it all makes sense, points are considered... it doesn't feel like bizzaro world.
Seriously. Come on. Anyone else?
Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus. Read it.
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MataSanos
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Posted - 2008.05.26 21:15:00 -
[60]
Edited by: MataSanos on 26/05/2008 21:15:54
solution : turn all g a y :P
at last on bed tu don't get so many excuses
seriously :
OP do u tested whit NLP methods ? or any PUA methods to lead your relations ?
edit: i cant believe the word g a y is censored LOL
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ThaMa Gebir
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2008.05.26 21:18:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus. Read it.
I would agree to a certain extent on this one, but I must also admit I would rather recommend "Why men don't listen and women can't read maps".
It was unfortunetly too late for my last relationship but I am of a firm belief that due to this book my Ex and I have managed to stay at least good friends...
6 year relationship too...
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Confirmed heaviest member of RDEX........
Hah, no more hijacks here!!!!
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Consultant
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Posted - 2008.05.26 21:23:00 -
[62]
Originally by: ThaMa Gebir
Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus. Read it.
I would agree to a certain extent on this one, but I must also admit I would rather recommend "Why men don't listen and women can't read maps".
It was unfortunetly too late for my last relationship but I am of a firm belief that due to this book my Ex and I have managed to stay at least good friends...
6 year relationship too...
I'm only halfway through MAFM,WAFV. How is the other book better?
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ThaMa Gebir
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2008.05.26 21:33:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Consultant
Originally by: ThaMa Gebir
Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus. Read it.
I would agree to a certain extent on this one, but I must also admit I would rather recommend "Why men don't listen and women can't read maps".
It was unfortunetly too late for my last relationship but I am of a firm belief that due to this book my Ex and I have managed to stay at least good friends...
6 year relationship too...
I'm only halfway through MAFM,WAFV. How is the other book better?
Well this is only my opinion I have to say before we get into any kind of flaming war, but it helped us both in the respect that it laid out how each of the sexes think and explained in clear text and examples how each reacts on situations.
Yes most of these books are of the same principle but we found that particular book to be helpful to ourselves, maybe Mafm and Wafv works for you. All a matter of taste.
It am just saying it may help in this case as it seems to be a simpler (read; not dumbed down rather laid out logically) read than others.
Best Regards ThaMa.
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Confirmed heaviest member of RDEX........
Hah, no more hijacks here!!!!
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Deschenus Maximus
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.05.26 23:14:00 -
[64]
Originally by: ThaMa Gebir
Originally by: Consultant
Originally by: ThaMa Gebir
Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus. Read it.
I would agree to a certain extent on this one, but I must also admit I would rather recommend "Why men don't listen and women can't read maps".
It was unfortunetly too late for my last relationship but I am of a firm belief that due to this book my Ex and I have managed to stay at least good friends...
6 year relationship too...
I'm only halfway through MAFM,WAFV. How is the other book better?
Well this is only my opinion I have to say before we get into any kind of flaming war, but it helped us both in the respect that it laid out how each of the sexes think and explained in clear text and examples how each reacts on situations.
Yes most of these books are of the same principle but we found that particular book to be helpful to ourselves, maybe Mafm and Wafv works for you. All a matter of taste.
It am just saying it may help in this case as it seems to be a simpler (read; not dumbed down rather laid out logically) read than others.
Best Regards ThaMa.
Thx, may just have to read both then.
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AdamDavidWoolnough
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Posted - 2008.05.26 23:34:00 -
[65]
Edited by: AdamDavidWoolnough on 26/05/2008 23:33:46
Am i missing out on life experience conversations? |
AdamDavidWoolnough
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Posted - 2008.05.26 23:36:00 -
[66]
Alot of the time if a woman appears to not make any sense, you probebly just don't understand, not that she really doesn't make any sense. |
nahtoh
Bull Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.27 01:19:00 -
[67]
Originally by: AdamDavidWoolnough
Edited by: AdamDavidWoolnough on 26/05/2008 23:43:01
Alot of the time if a woman appears to not make any sense, you probebly just don't understand, not that she really doesn't make any sense, sometimes a male can try to justify why he is right when he thinks he could be wrong to save losing respect, i'm starting to see how men need more respect than love from a woman and woman need more love than respect from a man.
Drugs are bad mkay?
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"I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self |
Kravick Drasari
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Posted - 2008.05.27 02:01:00 -
[68]
Originally by: AdamDavidWoolnough
Edited by: AdamDavidWoolnough on 26/05/2008 23:43:01
Alot of the time if a woman appears to not make any sense, you probebly just don't understand, not that she really doesn't make any sense, sometimes a male can try to justify why he is right when he thinks he could be wrong to save losing respect, i'm starting to see how men need more respect than love from a woman and woman need more love than respect from a man.
LOLwut?
No, but seriously, most women are just bat **** insane. Its extremely hard to find one that isn't anything like whats repeatedly being mentioned in this thread.
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Riethe
Invictus Sovereignty
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Posted - 2008.05.27 03:42:00 -
[69]
If only women knew their limits.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.05.27 03:54:00 -
[70]
This thread needs more wine. Or beer. Or scotch... whatever your fav' poison is.
1|2|3|4|5 |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.05.27 03:58:00 -
[71]
Originally by: AdamDavidWoolnough
Alot of the time if a woman appears to not make any sense, you probebly just don't understand, not that she really doesn't make any sense, sometimes a male can try to justify why he is right when he thinks he could be wrong to save losing respect, i'm starting to see how men need more respect than love from a woman and woman need more love than respect from a man.
Women always make sense.
I don't like their reasoning, sure, but most of the time, I can understand why they say the things they say.
I guess I'll just chalk that to life experience while being in the "friends ladder".
Women are like a mystery novel : they usually side-step the actual reason they are trying to argue, and try to force their conclusion on you instead of explaining the reasons that lead to that conclusion... and if they can't, they usually change the subject just enough to make you feel guilty or confused enough so you're more likely to concede the argument.
Understanding women is no more nor less than pure detective work
It CAN be done, if you have enough background info.
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AdamDavidWoolnough
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Posted - 2008.05.27 03:59:00 -
[72]
Edited by: AdamDavidWoolnough on 27/05/2008 04:02:00
would you say the same that men should know their limits also? and woman seem to like to use analagies, sometimes men don't get some of them. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.05.27 04:14:00 -
[73]
No, it's more like this...
W : "We should go visit my parents next weekend..."
M : "Honey, we don't have time for this, we're busy next weekend, don't you remember, we wanted to invite the Joneses over..."
W : "But I haven't visited my parents in a long time..."
M : "Come on, we can do that later, your parents aren't going anywhere..."
<heated debate starts soon, culminating in screaming and such>
W : "Fine, you stay at home and I'll just visit my mom then !"
What actually happened ?
There are several possible explanations, but the most likely to cause SUCH a scenario to develop are:
a) the woman actually HATES the Joneses, but doesn't want to "upset" the man who loves them
b) her parents made some nasty remarks about how they never visit, and how much they dissaprove of her man because he keeps her away from them... again, the man has no clue about it and she doesn't want to tell that to him
c) she's not feeling well, is depressed or somesuch, and doesn't want any "social calls", but needs time with her parents to mull things over, and doesn't want to tell her man how bad she feels
All of the above are VERY likely to be causes for miscommunication.
And all of them stemming from the desire of the woman to "protect" the man from something he actually doesn't need protection.
The reasons most men would assume right from the start (either "she just forgot about the Joneses" or "she's being stubborn") are very, very unlikely.
Now, would this couple be free to talk openly about anything, the above situations would be much less likely to have happened, but some small possibility of it still exists.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 04:58:00 -
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Originally by: AdamDavidWoolnough
Edited by: AdamDavidWoolnough on 27/05/2008 04:02:00
would you say the same that men should know their limits also? and woman seem to like to use analagies, sometimes men don't get some of them.
hah... men get analogies just fine... it's female analogies we don't get...
'honey, how do those things have any relation to our discussion?' from men
often results in: 'you just don't appreciate me' phrases from women.... :(
Personally, I'm taking a few years off from women and their labyrinthine ways... I find I'm generally more stable, far better off financially and have lots of time for my interests.
My friends with girlfriends are poor, have to get permission to come out and have their girlfriends invading their hobbies. Of course, they also get regular sex and have an emotional component single people don't.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 05:14:00 -
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Edited by: AdamDavidWoolnough on 27/05/2008 05:15:39
she doesn't hate the Joneses, it could very well be that she was thinking that the Joneses aren't going anywhere also and that her parents are less important to you than the Joneses, look at it from another perspective.
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Nikita Alterana
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Posted - 2008.05.27 05:22:00 -
[76]
Well I can't understand men so its only fair that you don't understand us.
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Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2008.05.27 05:25:00 -
[77]
Honestly, I can sum it all up on a Physics major friend of mine, on our topic of women. He said to me " Women = Frog Legs+ Electricity " ... I was ...  and he explained me. Then I understood. Now I don't even try to rationalize or even have a valid logic argument or even try to make them understand. Happily engaged , soon to be married , worried more about income, taxes, pew pew.
I bask in the Chaos of this Thread too!!!
Viva VENEZUELA!!!
Archipelago Theory
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.05.27 05:36:00 -
[78]
Originally by: AdamDavidWoolnough
she doesn't hate the Joneses, it could very well be that she was thinking that the Joneses aren't going anywhere also and that her parents are less important to you than the Joneses, look at it from another perspective.
Aaaah, the "she's a needy *****" approach ?
Meh... I personally like to give the benefit of the doubt, and assume it's "her trying to cover for me". If that's not the case, then it's back to your version.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 05:37:00 -
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Look at a man. Now look at a woman.
The woman is smaller and weaker. She isn't likely under any circumstances to get her way by the use of physical force. Now, men don't use physical force all the time, especially once they get old enough to actually hurt each other in a fight but the option is there.
So, since the woman can't use physical force - she lies.
Manipulation is the tactic women use to get what they want.
Men are usually straight forward (some of them aren't but none of the other men respect them, though they do well in business and can get chicks that way). All that fighting in grade school teaches men to stand up to each other but to also show each other some modicum of respect. Yes you may kick little Billy Jones ass but he might get in a few good licks while you're doing it so even people you can beat deserve some respect.
Women don't respect anyone. They don't respect themselves (cause they lie) so how can they respect anyone else?
The other thing is that women tend to always turn to men or at least have some regard for them as problem solvers. That all comes from grade school too. The little boys are stronger (or at least think they are) more assertive and willing to take things on. So the little girls let the guys solve problems for them. The trick there is how they are going to manipulate the little boy into solving their problem. They could just ask. But if they ask and he says no then they've screwed their opportunity to manipulate him into doing it. If she just asks she'd given up control.
Another thing men learn as children is that team work counts. Anyone who's played sports learns that. You have a goal and everyone needs to work together to solve it. Thus, you need to respect each other and count on each other (and boy do you catch hell if you let the other guys down). You can't manipulate your way into wining (most of the time) so what counts is honesty (with your team mates) and clear thinking as to how to solve your problems. Lying and manipulation are counter productive. Everyone on the team needs to know what's really going on (though there's often some self deception aimed at boosting the teams confidence).
In any case, men learn that to solve problems you need to understand the truth of the matter. Later in fixing cars or computers this attitude comes in handy as you can't manipulate the thing into doing what you want. It's a piece of equipment that works in a certain way. You have to understand how it works and then use that understanding to fix it. Lies don't help.
So, a man and a woman talking are doing completely different things. She doesn't want to say what's really going on as that will show her hand. She'd trying to manipulate the conversation into getting what she wants. If the man is listening to what she's saying, instead of knowing her well enough to figure out what she's really up to he's lost as to what's going on. It isn't that women are illogical it's just that their logic all revolves around getting what they want - not getting to the truth of the matter. To a woman - the truth is the enemy. The truth will show her up. So, if you start calling her on things she throws up a smoke screen to hide what she's really after.
Of course, part of the problem here is that for the most part the woman doesn't think about what it is she's doing. It isn't that she's unaware of the fact that she's a liar it's just that she's done it so much she does it out of habit, without thinking.
The other part of the problem is that since she's a liar and a manipulator - she thinks that everyone else is a liar and a manipulator too.
This is one of the reasons that male scam artists do so well with women. They're both liars and many women don't really have a problem with a person who's a liar and manipulator. They understand that and are comfortable with it. Of course when he starts lying - and cheating - on them, then they're all surprised and shocked.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.05.27 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
stuff
Bravo *applause*
Almost completely and totally agree with that.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 06:43:00 -
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Edited by: AdamDavidWoolnough on 27/05/2008 06:43:34
Woman are plain old liars now Toshiro?, they could say the same about men, yeah some woman may lie and cheat and manipulate but so do some men, your just not meeting the right ones, you shouldn't look to the guy with the best looking car for whats cool to be interested in.
In Australia it's preffered if we don't fight at school, why would woman come to you and ask you to use your brain if all they've seen you do it use your fists, there's a difference between not giving up and losing control over your body, woman dont fight much because they don't see that it's necessary, things can be worked out often, there are other things that can teach you to stand up for yourself besides fighting.
Woman don't want control over other people usually, it's guys who beat another guy up who wants control of them if anything, yeah sports is good teamwork but i would hardly call a schoolyard fight teamwork, yeah lying and manipulating are counter-productive but then again so is fighting and not talking about the problem, self deception aimed at boosting the teams confidence is usually a guy being led around by he's nose.
Yeah in order to solve a problem you need to understand it but do you know why some guy wanted to fight you in the first place?, maybe the woman doesn't say whats really going on because she is trying to think of the best way possible so the man will understand her, you should know your partner, why should the man always get what he wants if the woman can't always get what she wants, you gotta find some sort of balance between the two, men sometimes hide their feelings so they don't appear weak but having feelings isn't weak, a belief in a feeling can be a powerful weapon, woman are more open about their feelings, i'd call male rage and fighting a smoke screen also, woman may sometimes lie because they've been brought up with the wrong influence around them and she was led by her nose into lying, you don't have to give up on them though.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.05.27 06:48:00 -
[82]
Hey, look who finally learned paragraphs!
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AdamDavidWoolnough
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Posted - 2008.05.27 06:51:00 -
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Yeah i had someone to copy from, thx |
Fink Angel
The Merry Men
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Posted - 2008.05.27 06:54:00 -
[84]
"Women. Can't live with 'em, pass the beer nuts."
<Norm from Cheers I believe>
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Cipher7
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.05.27 10:20:00 -
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Women get things done through deceit and manipulation
Men get things done through direct action
Thats not to say we can't be deceitful, but I think in general men are more reasonable and less selfish than women.
A woman's goals are her own goals. She wants what she wants, what you want quite frankly doesn't matter.
A man's goals include the goals of everybody in his life.
When boys fight its not because they're angry, it's a contest of wills, there is usually no malice and very often they will end up being good pals.
Fighting teaches young boys to have respect for others. No matter how strong you are, someone else can still hurt you, so you learn to respect people who are less powerful.
They are also learn lessons on how to lose, that losing is ok, to still take risks even at the cost of losing.
Girls from day 1 never learn to respect anybody. They are catered to and coddled, they are daddy's little darling and can do no wrong, they are never knocked down a few pegs, they never learn humility, they never learn to lose.
This continues on until adulthood.
In relationships, she wants things her way but she wants it to be his decision.
If she wants a new refrigerator, she will ask you what you think, and you will decide to get a new refrigerator (her preferred style color and brand, of course). This way you feel in charge, but she is "suggesting" your "decisions" while never actually deciding anything herself.
In this way women are deceitful, manipulative and selfish.
They get mad if you say it, because it shows their hand.
But like I said, men can be deceitful and manipulative too, we all know that women are deceitful but we never say it, because that shows our hand.
If you're smart you learn to play the game with her, you can earn each other's respect.
This goes back to fighting, where you learn to respect your weaker adversary and later become best pals.
Thats why arguments are a healthy part of a relationship.
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Ethidium Bromide
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.27 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: Ethidium Bromide on 27/05/2008 12:20:18
Originally by: Kristiana Lee
you make this thread a 10/10
if i would admit to having emotions i would feel a strange warm, fuzzy and crawling feeling in my belly for you
personal experience:
it's not women it's topics actually! i simply can't argue about anything involving emotions as it would mean admiting to have them.
hence it is impnossible to talk to girlfriends / wifes about anything invloving emotions.
you argue your a** off trying to stay logical and miss the points it actually got nothing to do with logic at all.
EDIT: it could be worse!
Originally by: George Petsch
Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
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Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.05.27 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe
Originally by: Sqalevon
I think we where actually making progress there, thank you very much.
Are you kidding? Arguing with one insane female on the internet is making progress?
This your wife or something?
You get out too.
Stop being an ass.
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Kusha'an
RuffRyders
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.27 18:48:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Kusha''an on 27/05/2008 18:49:21
Originally by: AdamDavidWoolnough
Edited by: AdamDavidWoolnough on 27/05/2008 06:43:34
Woman are plain old liars now Toshiro?, they could say the same about men, yeah some woman may lie and cheat and manipulate but so do some men, your just not meeting the right ones, you shouldn't look to the guy with the best looking car for whats cool to be interested in.
In Australia it's preffered if we don't fight at school, why would woman come to you and ask you to use your brain if all they've seen you do it use your fists, there's a difference between not giving up and losing control over your body, woman dont fight much because they don't see that it's necessary, things can be worked out often, there are other things that can teach you to stand up for yourself besides fighting.
Woman don't want control over other people usually, it's guys who beat another guy up who wants control of them if anything, yeah sports is good teamwork but i would hardly call a schoolyard fight teamwork, yeah lying and manipulating are counter-productive but then again so is fighting and not talking about the problem, self deception aimed at boosting the teams confidence is usually a guy being led around by he's nose.
Yeah in order to solve a problem you need to understand it but do you know why some guy wanted to fight you in the first place?, maybe the woman doesn't say whats really going on because she is trying to think of the best way possible so the man will understand her, you should know your partner, why should the man always get what he wants if the woman can't always get what she wants, you gotta find some sort of balance between the two, men sometimes hide their feelings so they don't appear weak but having feelings isn't weak, a belief in a feeling can be a powerful weapon, woman are more open about their feelings, i'd call male rage and fighting a smoke screen also, woman may sometimes lie because they've been brought up with the wrong influence around them and she was led by her nose into lying, you don't have to give up on them though.
liars don't enjoy being lied to in return.
This person is actually a female masquerading as a male.
By the way, if this person is a male by some remote chance, he's the guy who always ran away from the schoolyard fights. I can personally attest to the wondrous problem-solving powers of schoolyard fights. Sometimes I got my ass kicked, sometimes I kicked ass, but always afterward I held my head up high knowing I didn't run away like some girl.
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Noob Much Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Shirley Serious
You're all wrong
I think this proves the OPs point
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Jin Shugo
HOMELESS.
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.05.27 19:29:00 -
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solution. Don't argue.
I never raise my voice, and I demand the same in return.
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Riethe
Invictus Sovereignty
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Posted - 2008.05.27 19:46:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Sakura Nihil
Stop being an ass.
Seriously? You're really this uptight?
I made this thread for enjoyment. Everyone but you seem to be enjoying it.
Have women troubles?
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.27 19:50:00 -
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Hrm...much of anything I could say has already been said by Akita T and others, to be honest. I'll chime in anyway:
Women aren't impossible to understand, but they think in ways that most men are thoroughly confused by. Though, like men, they go from point A to point B, they may reach that conclusion by way of points X, G, and I. This means that occasionally we men get incredibly confused trying to follow their train of thought.
This is made worse by the fact that women are much, much better at using subtle visual queues/wording/expressions to express their ideas and men miss out on much of this, so a lot can get lost in translation. Since women do this translating automatically, it tends to annoy the hell out of them until they get to know the other person enough to understand what they do and don't get. This miscommunication is responsible for - in my opinion - between 50-75% of the time.
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.05.27 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Havok Dryke
Methinks you're violating rule #1 of relationships. Don't try to understand your woman. You'll fail. Always.
Don't eve need top read the rest of the posts because this is about it in a nut shell.
That being said I will read the rst because I am sure there are some other gut busters withint.
My Opinion is that if you are thrown off your line of thought/argument or whatever then she wins since you have lost your point.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 22:04:00 -
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Edited by: AdamDavidWoolnough on 27/05/2008 22:11:30
Hi again, you think i don't like girls or something? lol, i asked 3 girls out the other week (how many did you ask?), i'll fight anyone who starts on me first, and i won't be giving up in a hurry as there is usually no set tactic in winning in a schoolyard fight, you need to adapt fast and not lose control over your body, yeah i know how people can lose track of what the topic is about and start having a go at one another because they can't believe they could be wrong.
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AdamDavidWoolnough
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Posted - 2008.05.27 22:08:00 -
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Edited by: AdamDavidWoolnough on 27/05/2008 22:17:20
Throwing a man off what he was thinking proves that the man can't keep up with the conversation.
I think what Tarminic is saying is partly right, woman often use analegies and body language, it's not their fault if men don't understand them at the time.
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Kalahari Wayrest
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2008.05.27 22:18:00 -
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Quote:
I made this thread for enjoyment. Everyone but you seem to be enjoying it.
I enjoy this thread, it's a great parody of misogyny
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lofty29
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.27 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: AdamDavidWoolnough
Hi again, you think i don't like girls or something? lol, i asked 3 girls out the other week (how many did you ask?)
Like them as you may, acting like that you'll never understand them
Though, it's my solemn opinion that you're no more than an internet tough guy.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 22:30:00 -
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I see what you are all doing, i see strait through this, Stop shifting the subject, this thread is about talking about woman, not having a go at each other for trying, goto the complaining room if you want to complain about something, you cannot monopolize the conversation and you can't make me lose focus, i see you as someone asking for help, like anyone else who has a go at me. |
AdamDavidWoolnough
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Posted - 2008.05.27 22:30:00 -
[99]
Goto the "give up" room<. |
AdamDavidWoolnough
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Posted - 2008.05.27 22:38:00 -
[100]
Oh yeah, an internet tough guy would say "owned" alot. |
goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.27 22:40:00 -
[101]
Originally by: AdamDavidWoolnough
Oh yeah, an internet tough guy would say "owned" alot.
Its called the edit button, use it please.
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AdamDavidWoolnough
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Posted - 2008.05.27 22:42:00 -
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I try but i thought those 2 posts should be seperate. |
nahtoh
Bull Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.27 23:11:00 -
[103]
Originally by: AdamDavidWoolnough
Edited by: AdamDavidWoolnough on 27/05/2008 22:17:20
Throwing a man off what he was thinking proves that the man can't keep up with the conversation.
I think what Tarminic is saying is partly right, woman often use analegies and body language, it's not their fault if men don't understand them at the time.
Cipher7- it's already been said that yes some woman are liars and manipulators, so are some men also.
Hmm so your saying that teh communicator is never at fault when they are unable to phrase their communications in a way that the target of the aforementioned communication can understand?
I just trying to figure out if its been one to many hits on the bong or one to many blows to the head that you suffer from...
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Posted - 2008.05.27 23:19:00 -
[104]
Edited by: AdamDavidWoolnough on 27/05/2008 23:20:45
nah, sometimes the woman may lose her train of thought also but she is trying to maintain focus, some woman are just liars and manipulators also, it's being able to tell when she is manipulating that can help you out, sometimes they get mad at other things and the best thing you can do is be calm and patient and not abandon them.
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Mavrix Able
M0NEY SH0T
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Posted - 2008.05.27 23:34:00 -
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Riethe it might be your topic but you still do sound kinda like an ass.
Anyways. I heard on the news and subsequently read in the papers about a female writer, who, as an experiment disguised herself as a man 24/7 for a year I think it was. She applied for a job as a man, got collegues as a man, went drinking and bowling, the full monty. I believe she lasted 8 months before she had to quit and start seeing a shrink, she wound up almost loosing her mind. The book which was a prodcut of the experiment has been released as far as I know but I haven't read it, although I'd like to.
Although being undercover itself is a stressful thing, I still think this goes to show just how different men an women are.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 23:41:00 -
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that tells me what i already think, woman seem to use their heart more, men seem to use their head more.
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nahtoh
Bull Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.28 00:13:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Mavrix Able
Edited by: Mavrix Able on 27/05/2008 23:41:24
Riethe it might be your topic but you still do sound kinda like an ass.
Anyways. I heard on the news and subsequently read in the papers about a female writer, who, as an experiment disguised herself as a man 24/7 for a year I think it was. She applied for a job as a man, got collegues as a man, went drinking and bowling, the full monty. I believe she lasted 8 months before she had to quit and start seeing a shrink, she wound up almost loosing her mind. The book which was a prodcut of the experiment has been released as far as I know but I haven't read it, although I'd like to.
Although being undercover itself is a stressful thing, I still think this goes to show just how different men an women are.
Found the book: Self Made Man
-NWS/Mav
So someone spent a year basicly living a lie and this is suprising that she screwed herself up?
The only thing it suggests to me is be true to yourself or you just mess stuff up...
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SAS Elite Ops
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Posted - 2008.05.28 01:21:00 -
[108]
I've never won a fight with my wife. Why? Because if she can't win the fight with logic she wins it by crying which makes me feel like an ass for arguing whatever stupid point I had.
The make-up sex is nice tho.
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AdamDavidWoolnough
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Posted - 2008.05.28 02:54:00 -
[109]
Bit harsh but well said nahtoh. |
goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.28 05:05:00 -
[110]
Originally by: AdamDavidWoolnough
but would there be as many wars and muggings if men used their heart more?
Ive heard this statement used far too many times.
The answer is kindof, wars would be fought differently(to what end im not sure)but a war is a war.
Lets make this hypothetical, a mans war vs a womans war(ie arguement turned to action).
A man's war would consist of ALOT of straightforward fighting, rifles grenades and bombs...Anything that gets the job done asap.
A woman's war would be fought with money, deceit, and soft war(ie infiltrate the enemy government and change their system).
Ofcourse with both genders you have exceptions but thats the just of it.... Now which war do you think is more affective?
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rotweiler
Freelance Unincorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.28 05:52:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Riethe
When you guys are arguing with your girlfriends/wives, do you ever feel like you just made the most badass point ever, and then she just says something completely stupid ******** ridiculous and your point is wasted? And you're just like, "HUH WHAT?"
I've been with my current for awhile, and blocked out a lot of my past relationships so I don't really have a base of reference anymore.
Is it just me, or are women really just quite bad at arguing? I feel like I'll be talking about something, or say something pretty good to back myself up, and then her response won't even be relevant.
The thing is I can argue with a male friend and we can bullshot back and forth and no problem, it all makes sense, points are considered... it doesn't feel like bizzaro world.
Seriously. Come on. Anyone else?
Generalising from a set of personal (see: limited) experience, generally leads to stereotypes that heuristically steer your behaviour and thinking even further away from the need to understand and communicate with the other half.
try to avoid it and instead try to see the MESSAGE she tries to get across. Dont just stop on the actual words, see whats going on in the actual communication there.
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Posted - 2008.05.28 07:08:00 -
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Edited by: AdamDavidWoolnough on 28/05/2008 07:10:10
Good one rotweiler.
I'm leaving this topic alone now as too many people are getting silly, good luck with the woman guys.
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Larice
Seven Provinces
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Posted - 2008.05.28 08:29:00 -
[113]
Originally by: AdamDavidWoolnough
Hi again, you think i don't like girls or something? lol, i asked 3 girls out the other week (how many did you ask?), i'll fight anyone who starts on me first, and i won't be giving up in a hurry as there is usually no set tactic in winning in a schoolyard fight, you need to adapt fast and not lose control over your body, yeah i know how people can lose track of what the topic is about and start having a go at one another because they can't believe they could be wrong.
I got asked out by three different girls the other week. And I don't need to ask out three girls to increase my chances, one will do. There are plenty of people on the forums and in this thread that have years of experience with women and are even married. You are not the judge of this thread and no matter what you will say, that is what you are trying to be.
Men have a straightforward and logical way of communicating and arguing, which is clearly superior in any situation that is worth arguing about. Any argument that doesn't need a functional approach is not worth arguing about.
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Victor Valka
Kissaki Corporation
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Posted - 2008.05.28 08:35:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Larice
Men have a straightforward and logical way of communicating and arguing, which is clearly superior in any situation that is worth arguing about. Any argument that doesn't need a functional approach is not worth arguing about.
The Truth!
I'm putting that on a t-shirt.
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
You are insane.
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Mutabae
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Posted - 2008.05.28 08:50:00 -
[115]
Bah.
I don't argue. I simply work from a defensible space and expect the same from my partner. If she's wrong, I expect her to admit it. If I'm wrong, I admit it. Otherwise we agree to disagree. We're compatible for most things, so we can do so without trying to kill each other.
We often shelve our disagreements because we don't approach issues from different viewpoints.
Also, neither of us get too attached to our perspectives.
Admittedly, I did have to make her realize she would be sleeping on the sofa if she couldn't act like an adult; that was a bit of a shock to her. After she started to be mature, that point marked a turning point in our relationship.
Likely, the problem with many relationships is men tolerate women acting like royalty instead of people. Mutual respect is much more important than "communication"... you can live together well AND disagree as long as you view the other individual as a person.
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Posted - 2008.05.28 08:58:00 -
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I'm not commenting in this thread anymore but you should take a look at my thread sometime.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=777560 |
Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2008.05.28 09:25:00 -
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<]=================<<<< Hey! Look at that! I'm not an exclamation point any more! Yay Me!
Uh, oh yeah, the reason I wrote this post ...
A few things.
1) Women use subtle communications so that they can deny it all later. "No. I never said that!" That way they can change their minds as often as they like. If they just came flat out and said what they thought they couldn't go back on it. It isn't a superior form of communication it's a cover my ass form of communication.
2) A war run by women would be fought by men. That's how women have always fought their wars. The get some man (men) to go do the killing for them.
3) ADW - Dude, if you really are one, you argue like a woman. Sorry but you do.
Oh and my last little bit of advice on dealing with women.
Never treat a woman as an equal.
Women have such an ingrained sense of inferiority (cause they're weak, inconsistent, liars) that if you treat a woman as an equal - she is NOT going to think "Hey, what a great guy. He treats me like I'm as good as he is."
No.
That is NOT what she is going to think.
If you treat a woman as an equal she'd going to think "He treats me as an equal. He must be as screwed up as I am."
And! Oh yeah:
Originally by: Kalahari Wayrest
Quote:
I made this thread for enjoyment. Everyone but you seem to be enjoying it.
I enjoy this thread, it's a great parody of misogyny
No. This isn't a parady of misogyny. This IS misogyny.
Once upon a time, like a really long time ago, I was really big on womens liberation. I was always attracted to strong, intelligent, capable women and I figured that aside from the obvious brute strength advantage we men had a woman's brain was just as good as a mans.
Then I learned.
After a while I realized ... I didn't know any liberated women. I knew some femi-****'s but I'd hardly consider them "liberated" they were mostly just ugly chicks who hated men because they couldn't get one.
I watched the strong, intelligent, capable women I knew and for about half of them, the stronger, more capable and more intelligent they were - the bigger the ******* they ended up sleeping with. Thus my Bigger ******* Theory. They didn't just want to be dominated - they NEEDED to be dominated. They wanted some guy who'd step up and take all the responsibility even if they were strong enough, smart enough and capable enough to have done it themselves. They didn't want to be oppressed (although oppression is frequently what they got) but they did want to be responsibility free. You see if you try and do something, you can screw up. So, better to get the man to try and do it, that way you (as the woman) don't ever appear to have been the one to make a mistake. Thus all the hinting and such, trying to get the man to make the decision they want him to make. If things go badly - "Hey!" she says, "I never told you to do that!"
Oh yeah. The other half of those strong, capable women ... they eneded up with nice guys who were dumber than they were so they could manipulate them at will.
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Riethe
Invictus Sovereignty
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Posted - 2008.05.28 10:42:00 -
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Most of the rash generalizations of both genders posted here are completely ridiculous.
Almost as ridiculous as the women here trying to defend their entire gender.
If you people honestly believe it is so black and white you are poorly mistaken.
Miscommunication may be common--but categorizing traits like you all have is unrealistic.
There are far too many contributing factors to just say "all women are X," "all men do Y"
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Kusha'an
RuffRyders
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.28 12:25:00 -
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In all my years of marriage, I've learned one thing about how women communicate: They project their true feelings into manipulative questions.
These are real life examples:
"Are you hungry?"
Translation: I'm hungry.
"What are you hungry for?"
Translation: You need to make up to twenty guesses to find out what I'm hungry for.
"Are you ready to go?"
Translation: I'll be ready in 10 minutes.
"What are you doing?"
Translation: I want you to do something else. (This sometimes can be accomplished with a simple dirty look peeking into the room as you're playing Eve.)
"What are you doing tonight?"
Translation: I want you to do something for/with me.
"I'm going to my mother's this weekend. Would you like to go?"
Translation: You'd better go with me.
I've learned to respond to these questions with a simple response:
"Rather than getting into all that, why don't you just tell me what you want and we'll go from there."
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2008.05.28 12:35:00 -
[120]
Yeah most of this stuff is generalization made on a posting board not an academic thesis being approved by a scholastic committee.
But, that doesn't mean that women don't have a tendency to do these things.
Sure, some women are different than others, just as some men are different than others but it's mostly a question of degree.
Men and Women do have certain tendencies and it is accurate to discuss them in general ways.
What is inaccurate is to specify from the general or generalize from the specific.
Thus saying "Women tend to be more manipulative than men," is an accurate statement.
Saying "Women are more manipulative than men, therefore YOU Sally Ann are a manipulator," is jumping to a conclusion. Sally Ann may well be a manipulator but there isn't a certainty of that just because she's a woman only a probability.
Saying "Sally Ann is a known manipulator, there for all women are manipulators" is also inaccurate. Just because Sally Ann is anything doesn't mean that ALL women are like Sally Ann.
Also saying:
All women are more manipulative than all men.
or
All men are straightforward and honest.
Are absolute statements, which tend to be inaccurate.
However, for the purposes of a posting board where most of the people with brains understand the general nature of the discussion, some relatively sloppy, unqualified statements are fine.
Most of the men posting here don't actually hate women, they just find them to be a giant pain in the ass (for the most part). <<====<<<< See the qualifying statement there at the end?
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Aricaan
Prophetics Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.28 19:03:00 -
[121]
You guys generlize much?
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Micheal Dietrich
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.05.28 20:33:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Aricaan
You guys generlize much?
Is that something we're supposed to do in the shower?
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CCP Saint
C C P
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Posted - 2008.05.28 21:21:00 -
[123]
Brain Ninjas!
Saint
Community Representative
CCP Games, EVE Online
Email / Netfang
Do Not Click Here
"Contrary to what most people say, the most dangerous animal in the world is not the lion or the tiger or even the elephant. It's a shark riding on an elephant's back, just trampling and eating everything they see."
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Dirtee Girl
Omega Enterprises
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.05.29 00:55:00 -
[124]
Originally by: CCP Saint
Brain Ninjas!
dane cook 4tw ^^
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.05.29 01:06:00 -
[125]
Edited by: Amastat on 29/05/2008 01:06:18
This thread is why perfectly straight men turn flaming g a y No offense to homosexuals, it's just true - that's what this sometimes does ; though I suppose you could probably appreciate it, right?
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Bakkus
Anonymous Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.29 06:38:00 -
[126]
Never trust anything that bleeds for 7 days every month and doesnt die
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.05.29 06:47:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Bakkus
Never trust anything that bleeds for 7 days every month and doesnt die
Dead from laughter
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Sqalevon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.05.29 09:49:00 -
[128]
Where does the word women come from anyway, or at least the wo part, is it good, is it bad ?
Was it orginally Woe Men ?
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.05.29 10:05:00 -
[129]
Edited by: Amastat on 29/05/2008 10:11:20
Edited by: Amastat on 29/05/2008 10:10:46
Edited by: Amastat on 29/05/2008 10:07:26
Originally by: Sqalevon
Where does the word women come from anyway, or at least the wo part, is it good, is it bad ?
Was it orginally Woe Men ?
Not sure... Go to some university or something and talk to a history or literature professer. They usually know that kinda stuff.
Woman is just a English phrase though(but maybe shared with other languages, they are all tied afterall), but probably different in most languages - since not every language is of euro-descent. You probably want to look more at a core language, like Latin, which would give you a broader idea about most of todays modern Euro-descent languages.
Chances are it means something along the lines of opposite. You hear the word "God" in example, and you can add "anti" which makes it opposite. Or you could add "demi" to it, which makes it a lesser form - a half god.
EDIT:
From www.etymonline.com
Quote:
late O.E. wimman (pl. wimmen), lit. "woman-man," alteration of wifman (pl. wifmen), a compound of wif "woman" (see wife) + man "human being" (in O.E. used in ref. to both sexes; see man). Cf. Du. vrouwmens "wife," lit. "woman-man." The formation is peculiar to Eng. and Du. Replaced older O.E. wif, quean as the word for "female human being." The pronunciation of the singular altered in M.E. by the rounding influence of -w-; the plural retains the original vowel. Meaning "wife," now largely restricted to U.S. dial. use, is attested from c.1450. Women's liberation is attested from 1966; women's rights is from 1840, with an isolated example in 1632. Verb womanize originally (1593) meant "to make effeminate;" sense of "to chase women, to go wenching" is attested from 1893.
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Riethe
Invictus Sovereignty
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Posted - 2008.05.29 11:12:00 -
[130]
I believe what we can all gather from this is:
If we would like to participate in frequent sex and not accumulate various diseases, we have to forfeit our independence and accept that we are no longer allowed to be right.
I'm thinking of changing out the hinges on my gate so it can swing both ways. Anyone want to be *** with me?
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.05.29 11:32:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Riethe
I believe what we can all gather from this is:
If we would like to participate in frequent sex and not accumulate various diseases, we have to forfeit our independence and accept that we are no longer allowed to be right.
I'm thinking of changing out the hinges on my gate so it can swing both ways. Anyone want to be *** with me?
Unfortunately for me I'm too disgusted with the idea of being ***, to become ***. But, also - I don't have the tolerance to deal with women right now either; so I am hopelessly doomed. 
If that is not cursed or damned, I don't know what is.
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Riethe
Invictus Sovereignty
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Posted - 2008.05.29 11:42:00 -
[132]
Typically I'm not the kind of person to really give a damn about other people.
But when I think of my relationship and weigh the sacrifices to the benefits, at the end of the day it seems to be quite worth it.
Having someone to snuggle up with at night is pretty much the best thing ever.
Plus... Without a girlfriend, how in the hell do you expect to lay in bed naked and let her sit puzzled as your balls dance around at their own will?
You just can't. You can't do that. It doesn't work. You need a girlfriend there to make that happen.
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Kusha'an
RuffRyders
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.29 12:35:00 -
[133]
I hereby pronounce this thread EPIC.
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Larice
Seven Provinces
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Posted - 2008.05.29 13:18:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Riethe
Without a girlfriend, how in the hell do you expect to lay in bed naked and let her sit puzzled as your balls dance around at their own will?
You just can't. You can't do that. It doesn't work. You need a girlfriend there to make that happen.
Yup, this thread has just gone epic.
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Riethe
Invictus Sovereignty
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Posted - 2008.05.29 22:56:00 -
[135]
What? No one else does that?
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